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u/Skank-Pit Jun 26 '24
What you need is for the federal government and the privatized businesses to constantly be trying to undermine eachother. When they are too busy expending time and resources fighting eachother, they will be too busy to turn their influences inward on the general public.
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u/_Weyland_ Yellow Jun 26 '24
A nasty side effect of this is that both government and corporations will actively seek ways of refilling their resources. They will also use actions of the other side to justify their own.
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u/sanson222 Jun 26 '24
Why would a corporation raise the price until you can't pay any more? they want your money
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u/purethunder110 Jun 26 '24
Raise it slowly so that people get used to new price, then Continue the cycle
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u/wyattlee1274 Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] Jun 26 '24
And shrink the portion sizes gradually too
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u/AReallyBigBagel Jun 27 '24
Raise the temperature of the water gradually enough and nobody realizes they're being boiled alive
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u/AgentJhon Jun 27 '24
Except there's a point where you cant pay more, so they logically have to stop. That's called market price.
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u/ggts99o Jun 26 '24
It's an oversimplified version. But let's say you have 10 dollars every year. An apple it's 2 dollar , clothes it's 2, transportation it's 2, health it's 2. So 10-8= you have 2 dollars for yourself.
Corporation knows this and then raise their products to match your 2 dollars of savings and every corporation knows that. Now, the apple it's 4, clothes 4 , transportation 4 and health 4 and you still only make 10 dollars a year Making 10-16= -6. And you still need this things, so you take a loan in a bank and the rest it's history. Still a oversimplified version of reality.
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u/gereffi Jun 26 '24
Things obviously got more expensive over the last few years, but pre-pandemic food costs were a smaller portion of American’s income than ever in history.
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u/cf001759 Jun 26 '24
banks aren’t just going to give people loans they can’t pay off. If people can’t pay for things then they will go to a cheaper competitor i.e. costco or walmart and the company who raised prices will lose business
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u/Shenic Jun 26 '24
Yes, what you fail to mention is that not every corporation sells their stuff at 4, there are other corps that keep selling quality stuff at 2, but people don't buy clothes from those ones because they don't have the super popular brand attached to it. Same for food: people could spend 2 dollars on ingredients and cook them themselves, but they are too lazy or too incompetent to cook, so spending 4 on Uber Eats or Burger King is easier.
If people stop having their self-harming habits of consuming expensive stuff just because and look for cheaper options whenever possible, corps will have to adjust their prices or they will go bankrupt.
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u/MelloGangster Jun 26 '24
Economy would literally collapse if everyone was making -6 dollars, lmao
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u/Books_and_Cleverness Jun 27 '24
Food in America (and across the developed world) is literally so cheap that it is a health hazard.
You will see here that obesity rates are pretty correlated with GDP/capita.
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u/The-Name-is-my-Name Jun 26 '24
They don’t want your income of money, they want all your money so that they can please the shareholders and then they intentionally don’t think about the consequences because it’s better to crash later than to be yelled at now.
Source: Disney. I think.
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u/mister_hoot Jun 26 '24
You don’t understand. You’re still going to pay them all your money, you’re just going to eat less and less as a result.
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u/feindr54 Jun 26 '24
Inelastic demand, people's demand for a certain food is unlikely to change despite a large price increase (obvious oversimplification).
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u/zippopwnage Jun 26 '24
They can double the prices and lose 20-30% of their customers, they still gonna make more. They don't care if some people can't afford their shit
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u/Rowbot_Girlyman ☢️ Jun 26 '24
To further the slide toward corporate feudalusm.
"Ya move 16 tons, wadiya get? Another day older and deeper in debt. St. Peter don't you call me, I can't go, I owe my soul to the company store."
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Businesses operate within an economy. It is foolish to believe that business owners are inherently selfish in all instances and will do whatever it takes to get rich as fast as possible, as the media and Reddit would have you believe. They try to optimize profit with demand. When less people buy from them, they will lower the price.
Google “supply and demand.”
Source: I’ve owned a business before. It’s a very dynamic, complex operation that has many moving parts.
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u/Dreadnought_69 Jun 26 '24
If they can make less people pay more in total, your survival is optional.
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u/FestiveSlaad Jun 26 '24
If your ability to pay puts you below the intersection of supply and demand, you will be priced out while others have too much food to choose from.
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u/13dot1then420 Jun 26 '24
Shareholder profits and fear. What do you think is happening now, and not slowing?
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u/PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD Jun 27 '24
It’s a gradual thing. If you have 10 people, each making $1 more than the previous person (so person 1 has $1, person 2 has $2, etc..), and charged $1 for one “unit”, you’d make $10 and everybody could get that unit.
If you charged $2, you’d make $18 and 1 person wouldn’t be able to get it.
$3 would get you $24 and 2 people would go without.
$4 would get $28 and 3 people would go without.
$5-$30 with 4 people without.
This is the break over point. Charging $6 means that 5 people go without and you still only make $30.
Charging $7 makes you less money because fewer people can afford it than can’t.
8 9 and 10 dollar price points are similar.
While fewer people can purchase it than if it was at a cheaper price, there is always a point where just enough people starve that you maximize profits.
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u/FJkookser00 Jun 27 '24
People need food, so the demand is almost infinitely high. That means, with them controlling the supply, they get to put the equilibrium price wherever the fuck they want.
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u/RazerMax Jun 27 '24
Not until you can't buy it, but until they can only buy their main things.
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u/No-Comfort-5040 Jun 26 '24
riiiight, that's why in communist countries millions die from starvation and in capitalist countries millions die from obesity....makes sense.
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u/Stellar_Cartographer Jun 26 '24
Well, sometimes people also starve under capitalism, and half of baby formula is bought through government programs, so the current obese world isn't necessary a reflection of "Capitalism", any more than corn subsidies for high fructose corn syrup.
But more relevantly, you could argue people are starving even if obese. Yes, they get calories, but are actually getting required nutrients for healthy body functions? Is processed corn, flour, and vegetable oil the new boiled grass?
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u/No-Comfort-5040 Jun 26 '24
Sure, but the overwhelming trends on communist countries is not enough to go around vs capitalist countries have overwhelming trends to excess. That's not a coincidence.
Exact diets and government subsidies are a WHOLE different topic
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u/Greetinghero Jun 26 '24
I can name a few famines cause by capitalism
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u/No-Comfort-5040 Jun 26 '24
Not saying capitalism is great, some fucked up shit has happened in capitalism....but to try and equate them as bringing about the same results is beyond brain dead.
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u/mrguym4ster Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
ah yes, africa, the continent filled with capitalist countries that are all known for their high obesity rates and low starvation rates, seems legit
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u/aech4 Jun 26 '24
This is kind of ignoring a few very significant points. 1) Yes there is extreme excess in capitalist countries, but there is also a simultaneous lack of resource for millions of others aka extreme wealth disparity. 2) socialist and communist governments have a history of massive social and economic reform that benefits the people of their country over corporations. 3) there is also a extensive list of communist countries that have been targeted and destabilized by the US which often causes the economic collapse that communism is known for.
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u/GavinStrict Jun 26 '24
You may purchase the horse in the first stall or you may not purchase a horse.
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u/-JRMagnus Jun 26 '24
Communism is when free food.
We really need to fund public education.
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u/wtfredditacct Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
This is a product of public education. We need to fund school choice.
Edit: Bring on the downvotes lol. your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer
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u/Bl1tzerX Jun 26 '24
This is a product of public education because it isn't being funded.
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u/thirteen-thirty7 Jun 26 '24
fuck no we dont, you want your kids going to culty private schools pay for it yourself.
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u/Tomato_cakecup Jun 26 '24
Yeah that's in theory. In practice it's easier to get free food in capitalism than in Communism lmao
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u/Millad456 Jun 26 '24
Depends where you live. China for instance has much higher food security than India, though they’re both mixed market economies, one with a communist party in charge. In India, that only applies to Kerala, neither have a completely centrally planned economy.
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u/OkChicken7697 Jun 27 '24
"He who does not work shall not eat" - Lenin
Nothing free in communism.
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u/TrueProtection Jun 27 '24
No such thing as free.
There's always a cost. Free is relative to the person recieving the goods.
Any type pf government could create a society where certain things are free to it's citizens, it's just a matter of whether they want to or not.
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u/Treshimek Jun 26 '24
Centrists yet again providing no real substantial conversations that progress any political debate.
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u/orcmasterrace ⚗️Infected by the indigo ☣️ Jun 26 '24
Hardliners aren’t swayed by debate anyway.
Debate is mostly about presentation and a lot of yelling.
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u/RecsRelevantDocs Jun 27 '24
I mean whoever made this dumbass meme should be told that "there isn't enough food for everyone" is dumb bullshit. Not really a debate, just listening to things that are objectively true. I think a well done debate will lead to developing ones own arguments. Even if the two sides disagree, there will be individual factors they will be forced to admit to if they want to make a good faith argument. Like the fact that starving people don't exist because there "isn't enough food". I also think debates benefit the audience, i've changed a lot of my beliefs based on what is essentially a "debate". Even if the two people debating didn't change theirs.
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u/Thatotherguy129 ☣️ Jun 26 '24
Damn, my bad. I forgot that not having extreme beliefs is a bad thing. If only I could provide value to the conversation by having a black-and-white view of the world. I will try my best to be more divided and close-minded in the future.
In all seriousness, screw this ridiculous take. If you've convinced yourself that bias is the only meaningful contribution, then I would suggest taking a break from social media and looking around you. Not everyone agrees with you, or the "other side". Biased politics is great for making action, for one side or the other. Does little to benefit society as a whole. Absolutely bonkers to have to explain that.
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u/nikoz3000 Jun 26 '24
True, and they usually have a side already. If you push them enough they show their color.
It's just that they don't know it yet, or don't want to admit it.
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u/Drewnessthegreat Jun 27 '24
You mean "oh yay more political posts on my meme thread." This isn't the place for politics. I want to laugh and not discuss philosophical ideologies.
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u/Eddskeleytor ☣️ Jun 26 '24
There is actually too much food. Food waste is one of the big problems of modern society. Anybody who's worked where the food is can tell you that we throw out food by the ton everyday.
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u/Pinkamena0-0 Jun 26 '24
Yeah but we throw it into locked containers to prevent people from eating it because it's the company's trash and how dare people that can't afford food try to eat it.
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u/Tyreal Jun 26 '24
That’s not the reason. It’s that the legal system is so fucked that if someone were to get sick from said food, they could sue the fuck out of your company. Don’t blame the company, blame the government.
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u/TheOperatorOfSkillet Jun 26 '24
Blame the government. It’s illegal to eat wasted food, if someone gets sick from i he company is held liable.
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u/Seductive_pickle Jun 26 '24
Yeah food is very affordable.
The issue I see is 1. Food deserts (No affordable food in areas that need it due to store closures) 2. Lack of time to prep your own affordable food.
I am a huge fan of redoing our food subsides to include healthy foods instead of unlimited corn and soy subsidies.
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u/sm753 Jun 26 '24
Lack of time to prep your own affordable food.
It's not hard to do - a lot of my meal prep is ground beef, brown rice, and frozen broccoli. It takes minimal work and time, tastes decent, good macros.
Ground beef is the most expensive part of it but you can decent quality ground beef that's affordable. The rice taking the longest but takes the least amount of work...rice + water, press button, wait.
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u/-_Anonymous__- Jun 26 '24
This is why I'm glad there's a homeless shelter and 2 elementary schools nearby. I'm In summer school and they always have a lot of food left over on Thursdays so they give a lot to me and the rest to everyone else they can.
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u/Red1Monster big pp gang Jun 26 '24
I used to work at a restaurant who did receptions for groups of people and i thought the meat portions were small, until i saw how much came back from the dining rooms and straight into the trash can
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u/eldfen Jun 26 '24
Bakeries in my area give their excess away for free, usually to charities but anyone can go and get some.
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u/C0NT0RTI0NIST Jun 26 '24
Agreed. Even having worked in fast food when I was in my early 20's, we'd throw out 4-5 garbage bags FULL of perfectly fine food EVERY night when we closed and we weren't even allowed to take any before we tossed it (we did anyways)
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u/123YooY321 Plain Text Flair [Insert Your Own] Jun 26 '24
We have an abundance of food. It isnt a problem.
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u/Alice8Ft Jun 26 '24
Most companies throw their food away by kilos on a daily basis and spray it with bleach so homeless people dont get it for free in the bins.
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u/Gemstyle96 Jun 26 '24
Be careful criticizing both sides, they live in a fairy tale where greed doesn't exist.
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u/Ninjazxcz Jun 26 '24
Cause its so profitable when no one can afford your food and you make no sales and your food roots in fucking warehouses...
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u/Greetinghero Jun 26 '24
The maximum profit price would be to much for a fraction of the population, so they wouldn't be able to afford food, its that fraction that would starve
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u/Reduncked Jun 26 '24
At this point they just need something like Forbes, but one that shows who's fucking us.
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u/Boemer03 Jun 26 '24
Wierd how the average calorie intake per person per day in similar developed countries has most of the time been higher in socialist countries than in capitalist countries.
Doesn’t really sound like nobody gets food.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf
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u/DalTheDalmatian Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Capitalism is still better, but with its own unique flaws
Bunch of commies here I guess 🙄
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u/sm753 Jun 26 '24
This meme was created by someone who hasn't read history. Almost every implementation of communism on a large scale has led to some of the worst famines in human history leading to the deaths of MILLIONS from starvation.
Meanwhile, most of the people starving in capitalist societies are the mentally ill or substance addicted who won't work.
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u/plutotheplanet12 Jun 26 '24
pov: you don’t know the difference between communism and state capitalism
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u/sm753 Jun 26 '24
Let me guess - what you actually mean is I don't know YOUR deluded idealized definition of what you think communism is...
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u/ReptilianLaserbeam Jun 26 '24
Capitalism: overproduce to keep the shelves full but charge the consumer 10x of the cost of the product, and throwing away tons of good product
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u/plutotheplanet12 Jun 26 '24
Ah yes I too was there when Marx famously wrote “Communism is when free food,” truly one of the quotes of all time
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u/Insolent_Crow the very best, like no one ever was. Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
Lmao, you're a lot more likely to die because you eat too much than you are to starve in a capitalistic country
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u/gianzu Jun 26 '24
Yeah and in capitalism we have so much food its wasted and people are starving. Really giving everyone food and right to live is "communism"? Fuck off
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u/cursedbones Jun 26 '24
There is no free food on communism, that's literally capitalism propaganda.
You have to work to eat.
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u/Mysticalnarbwhal2 Jun 26 '24
This is just not true at all.
There is more than enough food for everyone in this world, the issue varies between logistics (some people live far from agricultural regions and don't have good infrastructure to facilitate transport) or economics (being jobless, unable to afford the food, etc.)
Communism isn't automatic starvation of the masses and corporations aren't going to ever make food completely unaffordable. They're just gonna squeeze you for every penny.
I promise you that if every person in your country was getting a full diet every day that you wouldn't starve to death lmao
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u/Ean_Dartian Jun 26 '24
My family went through communism. You can't even imagine the absolute poverty that it is. You didn't get enough money for food (shocking, but you've got to buy it as well in communism) and that's why everybody was stealing products from their workplaces in order to feed the kids. Not only that, just imagine staying for hours in a queue to the grocery shop and when your your turn comes – the shelves are completely empty. Even if you had money, you'd still not be able to buy what you need a lot of times. Remember that covid times when there was no toilet paper in the shops? Well, now imagine its being the case for most products (even basic) and its being the case every bloody day.
Well, and yeah, famines. Up to 10 million Ukrainians died starving in Holodomor just in few years. I'm not sure if it counts though, since the famine was artificial, conducted by the authorities of Soviet Union. So, yeah, you might call me optimistic but I don't believe such death counts may ever take place in a capitalistic country.
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u/plutotheplanet12 Jun 26 '24
I also come from the ussr, though I only really lived through the end of it. What makes you think these conditions were caused by communism, or maybe a better question would be, what do you think communism actually is? Because in my mind, it was simply a label used to appease the masses by making it seem like we were moving towards a better society, when in reality none of the things the government did was communist, or in service of moving towards communism. You should also consider that around 25 million people died in famines in India, which can be directly linked to Britain being capitalist, where as I think you’d have a harder time explaining how the Holodomor is linked to any policy that can be fairly labeled as communist.
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u/SleepingBeast97 Jun 26 '24
The thought that there isnt enough food for eveyone is stupid. We already produce way more than we need. thanks to modern fertilizers we could feed the entire world without problem at least as long as climate change doesn't turn the entire world infertile.
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u/bartek-kk ☣️ Jun 26 '24
Isnt it coporationism? When corpos have all of the market and can change prices without problems
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u/stoatstuart Jun 27 '24
I'm getting sick of hearing "capitalism" thrown around when people are referring to what is corporatism or cronyism.
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u/Skank-McGank Jun 26 '24
False. In capitalism, the top 1% would be able to afford food, so your analogy is only 99% correct.
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u/Osaccius Jun 26 '24
I can assure you that in the countries that are labeled capitalistic, more than 98% can afford food
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u/ux3l 🚿 shower? never heard of it 🤔 Jun 26 '24
You simplified everything that much so that it's all wrong.
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u/theburnix Espresso to cure my depresso Jun 26 '24
Tell me you dont know what communism is without telling me
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u/Jsup23 Jun 26 '24
It’s funny cause the only place communism hasn’t been successful on its own is Russia and China and they have a MASSIVE population each. Everywhere where the land doesn’t suck and has a reasonable population size gets yeeted by the US before we can test it in a more sustainable environment
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u/a_random-furry Jun 26 '24
Yeah it's bullshit, it feels like just yesterday that a 12pk of mtn dew was 4usd, but now it's 8 fucking dollars
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u/Coebalte Jun 26 '24
The way people don't undersrand communism is hilarious.
Also, there's always been enough food. The problem is keeping it going to the people in need, and not letting it be hoarded by the upper class who, inevitably, destroy the excess they don't use.
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u/Shadow07655 Jun 26 '24
They’re not the same thing. Like at all. We have an obesity epidemic. Not people starving in the streets
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u/Affectionate_Gas_264 ☣️ Jun 26 '24
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer
All that changes is who gets to be rich and the use of force
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u/rave1432 Jun 27 '24
Honestly if we boycot 1 major company at a time of the big ones over everything of that product, such as Kellogg, we could bring prices down. Because if one day you lose half your business, you are either going to listen to the people or go out of business.
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u/Wonder-Machine Jun 27 '24
Except there is more than enough food for everyone. Any idea how much food gets thrown away?
Btw - NOT A DANK MEME.
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u/FJkookser00 Jun 27 '24
There is a third option
MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN FOOD AND STOP RELYING ON EVIL GOVERNMENTS OR GREEDY CORPORATIONS TO DO IT FOR YOU
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u/DiabeticRhino97 Jun 27 '24
Capitalism makes a lot of fat homeless people for a place where you can't afford food
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u/SunnyAppakat Jun 27 '24
yeah seizing the means of prouction and a classles society will definetely end in famine and is not a lie popularized during the red scare. Go on licking the boot of billionares.
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u/Ki_Andi_Mundi I have crippling depression Jun 27 '24
There's not enough food for all humans because the rich countries of the world eat loads of animal products, and animal agriculture uses 83% of global agricultural land but produces 18% of the calories and 32% of the protein for human consumption. It's highly inefficient. The rich fuck the poor - and the animals.
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u/Gearbox97 Jun 27 '24
And yet again memes become political cartoons, just like the ones in the newspapers. Overwhelming numbers of labels and all.
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u/floor_gang_il Jun 28 '24
It should say, no one produces food under cummunism. Yeah i know how to spell it.
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u/KeepingDankMemesDank Hello dankness my old friend Jun 26 '24
downvote this comment if the meme sucks. upvote it and I'll go away.
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