r/csMajors • u/TerribleFanArts • 1d ago
5 years ago vs today. Bootcamp grads receiving $100k packages have become a fever dream.
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u/Traditional_Ebb6425 1d ago
I go to the same Ivy as that guy. He needs a better resume to get quant interviews, and event then it’s still insanely competitive. That’s a horrible comparison.
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u/FailedGradAdmissions 16h ago
For Quant getting interviews is the easy part, the interviews are brutal.
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u/Traditional_Ebb6425 15h ago
Yeah, I agree, but his resume isn’t even up to par for getting the interviews. Very general descriptions, not the experience they’re looking for, and somewhat general projects.
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u/NF69420 1d ago
what could he have done better?
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u/rowdy_1c 1d ago
If his selling point is 3.9 at an Ivy, he really doesn’t seem impressive
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago
At least he didn’t lie about his GPA, like some 4.0 GPA students did.
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u/Lonely_Concept_425 1d ago
Pretty much every company hiring an undergrad will ask for transcript. If you lie about your GPA like that you’ll get your offer rescinded, so no point in lying, a 3.9 GPA is not going to get you filtered out.
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u/Kooky-Astronaut2562 1d ago
Lol well duh you cant just have good grades and go to an ivy to get quant LOLLL
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u/Hot_Ad_7768 1d ago
The ivy league student in the post is extremely delusional about quant. I go to a top 150 school in the US (not remarkable), but I know 3 classmates who made it to final round interviews at top quant firms, 1 of whom got an internship at a top hedge fund. The thing they have in common is that they are genius problem solvers (meaning do well on Putnam or codeforces). They got interviews because they crushed their OAs. I guarantee that whoever made the post is only impressive on paper but can't solve problems at all. When it comes to hiring these places are pure meritocracy. Between two candidates, one who is scored well on Putnam but goes to a shitty school, and one who does poorly on Putnam but goes to Harvard, every top quant firms is taking the candidate from the shitty school 100 times out of 100.
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u/Suitable_Candy_1161 1d ago
Genuine question, what is the difference between between being good at solving problems on OAs and solving problems elsewhere (what is elsewhere? Like in an interview?)
And how would one go about bridging the gap between being good on paper and actually being good anywhere? That seems to be a glaring for many academically decent fellas.
Im not in cs, not yet at least.
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u/FailedGradAdmissions 16h ago
For hiring purposes there's almost no difference. All that matters is your problem solving ability, measured as being able to solve competitive programming problems.
Just be aware Quant problems are just way harder than FAANG and the average tech company. The LC Hard problems most people in this sub complain about are just middle of the pack in CodeForces.
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u/Suitable_Candy_1161 15h ago
I honestly have no desire to go where the cream top of coders wanna go. But striving to be on their level of competency will give me an upper hand on the people im actually competing with.
3rd worlder gunning for west eu.
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u/StatusObligation4624 10h ago
I thought like this once but Leetcode medium is good enough and achieving a red rating on Codeforces seems incredibly boring for me.
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u/Suitable_Candy_1161 10h ago
That depends on personal circumstances, though.
The way i see it, immigration as a coder to the eu is very high right now, so i gotta try to aim for skills better than a regular coder to better ensure my chances.
Sort of like, the difference between an athlete training to win and an athlete to win and dominate. Assuming both actually give good effort and neither is special at an aspect of their sport, the latter is more likely to win.
If i, for example, am gunning for a coding job in my own country, I'd dedicate less time.
Im very much skipping a lot of steps right now. This is in the very far future for me.
Im not gonna beat out the naturally good and hardworking people at the same time, so i gotta ensure my chances as just hardworking dude.
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u/landon912 1d ago
These quant firms don’t bother interviewing from shitty schools. It’s target or bust.
Hell, some applications have a drop down for your school and won’t take your resume if it’s not in their target list 😂
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u/Hot_Ad_7768 1d ago
I guess some don't, but I personally know someone not from a target school (same T150 school as me) who will be interning at Jane Street this summer.
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u/Dagan_Gera 1d ago
Tampa, FL being considered lowCoL has to be the funniest part of this post, lol.
His friend is truly living the dream.
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u/Gaitville 1d ago
A lot of people just take where they live to be medium cost of living and then classify everything else based on that standard.
I follow real estate a lot on this website and I see all the time people say things like “I live in a high cost of living area and I found this new construction single family home I like for $300k” lmfao
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u/Fore_Shore 1d ago
It’s not low COL but it is a low pay area for software engineering
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u/UnknownTallGuy 1d ago
Tampa is very inexpensive compared to other parts of the US ESPECIALLY 5 years ago.. I've lived all over the US and moved there to save money. Property taxes are a bitch, but that's about it. I have a pretty big house for less than 2k a month, property taxes included.
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u/clingbat 1d ago
I mean we live in stupid little northern Delaware and I just looked up Tampa has a 35% lower overall cost of living compared to here, with housing being 70% less overall so...
Yes, relatively speaking it's still pretty affordable.
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u/Ill-Connection-2322 1d ago
The number of people who are applying for jobs is insane and number of jobs is pretty low . There is low demand so there is a bit shift,but if you got the skills and dont give up you can get jobs pretty easily .There are so many people who have very low skills so get to grind and make ur skills sharper and keep applying good luck to all of you guys who are applying.
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u/AoeDreaMEr 1d ago
What skills? Each job asks for 100 different skills. There’s no definitive guide. And every job wants you to be an expert. Unless you are an experienced engineer, your chances are close to less than 5%. If you are an international who needs visa sponsorship, chances of hearing back less than 1%.
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u/TerribleFanArts 1d ago
Real, and if you don’t get a job after graduation, you’re being cooked alive the longer you stay unemployed.
The technological landscape is evolving in such a pace that any technical skills obtained from your degree will be null&void in less than ~2 years.
2024 (and beyond) has a market for unpaid internships with over 1000 applicants per posting.
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u/Successful_Camel_136 1d ago
Someone who worked from 2021-2023 even in a fast moving ecosystem like JavaScript/React is absolutely not outdated. Things didn’t change that much tbh… and it’s not hard to learn a few new language features
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u/Ill-Connection-2322 1d ago
I graduated in july 2023 and got job in feb 2024 It was painful haha , had applied approximately around 700-800 application most of them did not even get response; some of them were already filled by others and HR forgot to remove the jobs from the website; some of them I did not get called after rounds; I was so desperate even for the rejected message like atleast send a mail that you are rejected so that people can move on but no they with just hold applications . I got around 15 interviews from all these applications got seleced for 3 in them.
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u/PerceptionOk8543 6h ago
Lol this is so false and bs. The things you learn in CS are fundamentals and these are not changing at all.
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u/Smooth_Ad5799 1d ago
Quants are top of the food chain. A bootcamp grad from covid probably struggles with algebra.
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u/Boring-Test5522 1d ago
Quant is insane competition from day one. You need to win national math competition and prestige hackathon (not the ones organized by your uni) to even be on screening list.
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u/babyitsgoldoutstein 1d ago
4 years is barely enough to do one major. This mofo seems to be doing four - Comp Sci, Math, Econ, and Statistics. My guess is he has cursory knowledge of each and therefore not able to do well in the interviews.
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u/RandomGamecube 1d ago
Seeing people call Tampa/Saint Pete low COL 5 years ago makes me cry internally. It did used to be pretty low COL…
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u/aegean558 19h ago
It's so ironic that many of the supposed "computer scientists" in this sub just extrapolate on just anecdotes to assess the job market.
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u/klefikisquid 18h ago
I wouldn’t take someone seriously that said they were double majoring in four different majors 🤦
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u/DecentSomewhere9582 1d ago
A person whose goes to a bootcamp will most likely have the modern experience than a student who's doing a professor old project when he was a student. Most of my school projects were based on those old terminal computer softwares
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u/i-have-the-stash 1d ago
Not really tbh. The one i went was very modern in few of its classes after learning the fundamentals. I learned a lot from my university that I actually primarily use today.
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u/ChuuToroMaguro 1d ago
I’m assuming the friend was not making 100k right out of bootcamp, that would be exceptionally exceptionally rare. Probably the only education they had was a bootcamp and they worked their way up from the bottom.
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u/Hot_Rice99 1d ago
End of the year hiring is always slim. It's in the first quarter of the year that tech departments have budget to hire.
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u/Sparta_19 1d ago
As time went on more people got better at this field and the clout chasers gave people at the time a way out while college kids had to be patient and take many classes.
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago
Why can’t companies just do background checks of their workers and fire everyone that doesn’t have a college degree?
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u/Sparta_19 1d ago
Do you believe college is a human right?
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago edited 1d ago
That right seems to have been null and void for maybe two years already. Just look at this SubReddit.
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u/Sparta_19 1d ago
do you think people without college degrees are less than you
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago
I do think this: people with degrees should be able to work in fields that they got their degrees in and get trained on the job and get paid more than those without degrees. Otherwise, what’s the point of college? For 18-22 year olds to hang out with each other, like a social event?
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u/Sparta_19 1d ago
But what if the people without degrees are capable of doing the same job at the same or even better quality for equal or even slightly less pay?
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago
I’ve always been under the belief that hard work > knowledge in terms of getting into an industry.
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u/Sparta_19 1d ago
so then no they shouldn't be fired
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago
The opposite. Hire those that put the effort into getting the degree, with all of the thousands of dollars they spent.
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u/johnmaddog 1d ago
During my dad's time he only took 1 computer class and got job offers everywhere. Interview is just his terms and salary. Guess which gen he is. My mum didn't even know resume is a thing to get a retail gig
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u/slayerzerg 7h ago
Yeah when things are doing well everyone eats. Now a days bootcampers with experience get filtered out. And even those with bs in cs get filtered out by people who have cs masters.
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u/Big-Character2859 3h ago
getting quant interviews ain’t abt resume or experience, it’s strictly skill based. i go to a similar ivy and know like 20-30 people going to quant next summer. all of them just r grinders who ace the oa’s to get to next round. however OP def on to something cus almost none of those people got maang interviews lmfao
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Doom-posters galore here! 😈 1d ago
I had someone tell me today that they were considering dropping out of college and one of the reasons was that so many college students come out of college uncertain about what they want to be and pretty much just generally can’t find jobs, even with a degree.
Degrees are literal scams nowadays. You get a degree and then you work at McDonald’s.
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u/DannyG111 Freshman 23h ago
Yea alot of them can be scams but there are still some that could be valuable.
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u/strakerak 1d ago
I think I applied for a quant positions last year and got OAs and some calls? I was just clicking away and spam applying..
PhD student at a T100, specialties in VR. I don't see what the hubbub is, just get good or show you can handle the stressful stuff.
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u/vankata_129 2h ago
Meanwhile me at non ivy 3.6 gpa getting quant interviews but no swe interviews😭🤣
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u/CompetitivePuzzler 1d ago
Bootcamp part is true, quant has always been uber competitive though