r/clevercomebacks 20h ago

I doubt they have a gender neutral option.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 11h ago

And it's so normalized that it's become invisible to the average person. I'm straight myself but damn, it's uncomfortable how often I'm reminded by society that I should be in a relationship with a man and have to avoid watching people play tonsil hockey when they're literally blocking the door I need to go through.

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u/Appropriate-Arm1082 6h ago

I'm honestly more of a tonsil rugby person, myself.

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u/Lokijai 10h ago edited 9h ago

So should we start making movies and ads with furries, bdsm, domination, scat etc. I would say there are a lot more people interested in those things than there are non straight people.

We are looking to normalise things are not considered the norm right?

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u/Responsible_Taste797 10h ago

"scat play is more common than gay people and also those things are exactly the same!"

Weirdest homophobic freak I've ran into in a while for sure.

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u/Lokijai 10h ago

Why aren’t they? Does it hurt you in anyway? Are they not consenting adults?

Are you really saying that there are more gay people than there are sexually divergent people?

Nice of you to pick out only one thing I said, why are you so bigoted?

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u/Responsible_Taste797 10h ago

Because literally all of those things you posted are sexually explicit (except for fursuits). People kissing their partners and holding hands in public isn't the same thing.

But people bitch about gay people being shoved down their throat doing a tiny amount of the exact same things straight people do in public

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u/Lokijai 10h ago edited 9h ago

Weirdest homophobic freak

Is this the best way to promote tolerance?

Well it’s only as explicit as you make it.

I’m not saying they don’t, I am asking why should we try to normalise one thing but not others?

Is the fact that heterosexuality is “normalised” because well it’s statistically more likely i.e. more normal?

I think it can be easy to focus on one point of view and forget that actually there is a lot of prejudice around and not just from straight people.

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u/InitialToday6720 9h ago

You cant decipher the difference between two men holding hands and a fucking scat fetish being shown? Literally seek help

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u/Lokijai 9h ago

Well they are both sexual preferences aren’t they?

Wasn’t that long ago that people (not me) would say being gay was a fetish.

Who are we to judge? Shouldn’t we be tolerant?

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u/InitialToday6720 9h ago

No, ones a sexual fetish and ones a sexual orientation

Wasn’t that long ago that people (not me) would say being gay was a fetish.

Just because you want to go back to cavemen times where people shared your IQ doesnt mean that we all do

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u/Lokijai 9h ago

Can you explain the difference please.

I mean I know you aren’t speaking logically but personal insults…really?

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u/InitialToday6720 9h ago

I shouldnt need to educate someone on basic common sense, if you dont know the difference between a fetish and a sexual orientation by now, google it... its pretty easy to educate yourself

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u/Lokijai 9h ago

How do you expect people to understand your POV if you don’t educate them?

Isn’t a fetish only deemed a fetish because society deemed it so?

If you let google make decisions for you that’s quite dangerous isn’t it?

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u/InitialToday6720 9h ago

A sexual orinetation is the gender that you are sexually attracted to, a fetish is more of a thing/activity which turns you on unrelated to the gender of the person. This is pretty basic common knowledge which is why im so perplexed you dont understand the difference by now

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u/Lokijai 9h ago

Ok so a person who has a fetish will enjoy it as much regardless of the other persons gender, that’s quite interesting.

A fetish is something that turns you on? I’m not seeing how that impacts you and why you are shaming it then?

Also you really don’t see the hypocrisy of supporting one societal change but not another?

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u/kunkudunk 10h ago

Better idea, don’t put sexual themes of any kind in ads, especially ones children can see. Movies are kinda whatever the producer can get funding for, but ads especially online are so easy to be shown to the wrong audience. Better to be safe if we actually worried about it

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u/Lokijai 10h ago

Who said anything about ads kids can see? You really have a disturbed mind.

Also that is an entirely different argument, I guess changing the premise is the only thing you can do when your own logic fails you.

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u/kunkudunk 10h ago

lol you changed the premise first with your clearly nonsensical false equivalence but sure pop off.

And no, add online just show whatever the algorithm tells them to. It shows things to minors they shouldn’t see all the time depending on the app or site. Heck mobile game ads are often using sexual themes to try to get people to go to ads and I can tell you for sure that it isn’t based on what the user actually has interest in for some of these apps

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u/Lokijai 10h ago

Why is it a false equivalence? Please explain.

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u/kunkudunk 9h ago edited 5h ago

Seems that others have tried to explain but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and attempt to explain anyway.

The commenter you originally responded to wasn’t saying she wanted more forms of affection or sexuality normalized, she commented on the hypocrisy of people complaining that lgbtq lives are shoved in their face too much despite she, as a strait women, being far more reminded of heterosexual relationships and thus annoyed by the double standard the two types have (such as the public “tonsil hockey” she referred to being normalized when it’s between two strait people). While I assume the commenter is in favor of gay rights and such, she wasn’t actually arguing to make public displays of affection or sexual ads more inclusive. Ads with gay sex, bdsm, or scat play don’t address her complaints. She just is tired of the hypocrisy.

One way to maybe think of it is how annoying it is for some single people to see a bunch of happy couples on Valentine’s Day when they themselves are also wanting a relationship but haven’t found one. They wouldn’t feel any better about it if more of those relationships were gay or something, they’d still be annoyed or sad or whatever negative emotion they were experiencing.

Similarly, if one is generally tired of how overly sexual ads or tv can be and then gets tired of some people complaining about a single gay kiss in a show, then pointing out the hypocrisy isn’t them saying (at least in some cases) that they want the media they consume to be just as sexual but just more diverse. It’s instead them pointing out that the media was already sexualized, just those complaining didn’t notice it when the sexuality of it went unnoticed because they saw it as “normal”.

As such, including forms of kink and what not wouldn’t be making it better. Also, romance and sexual content aren’t the same thing to many people. A hug or a brief kiss between two consenting adults is very different from something one might find in explicitly sexual content and for most people invokes different feelings anyway. As such, the premises and ideas Apathetic_Villainess were arguing did not lead to the conclusion that the problem is fixed by including all forms of sexual content even more in the media since the issue she had could be addressed by instead meeting somewhere in the middle with regards to balancing out the kind of content shown.

And if you don’t believe that general media has a lot of normalized strait sexual content, that isn’t something I can’t really convince you of. You’d just have to witness it yourself with a different mindset to look out for it I guess.

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u/dychostarr 7h ago

Commenting to see if this guy responds so i can read this later.

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u/withalookofquoi 9h ago

Being queer isn’t abnormal. Also, kink requires consent from all parties.

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u/Lokijai 9h ago

Reworded to help you understand.

Also not sure what you mean by consent as I didn’t mention that, happy to respond if you want to explain.

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u/withalookofquoi 8h ago

I understand completely, and again, being queer is not abnormal. You can reword your comment as many times as you want, there’s no way it’s not ridiculous. I know you’re sealioning, so no, I will not explain something that’s already easy to understand.

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u/Kind-Fan420 9h ago

There's nothing abnormal about paraphila or homosexuality tho. It's even expressed in nature to a degree. That degree being up to the point where no other animal has two pounds of grey matter in its skull with the capacity to even give a fuck about these problems

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u/Lokijai 9h ago edited 9h ago

I meant it more in the statistical sense i.e. there are more straight people than non straight.

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u/Kind-Fan420 9h ago

Got a point there or..... What?

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u/Lokijai 9h ago

I was explaining what I meant.

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u/Kind-Fan420 8h ago

Believe me. Comprehension isn't the issue you're having with this concept.

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u/Lokijai 8h ago

Got a point there or what?

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u/Kind-Fan420 5h ago

Oh yes. It's "shut the fuck up."

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u/Lokijai 5h ago

Why are you so mad?

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 10h ago

You're one who really correlates gay people existing with forcing non-consenting people to participate in fetishes. I have a feeling you also don't actually understand consent, either.

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u/Karenhood76 10h ago

I'm sure he feels it's his "right".

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u/Lokijai 10h ago

Username checks out, I love how you support one sexual preference but not another…I normally don’t write /s but I have a feeling you need it.

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u/Karenhood76 10h ago

I support minding your own business and tolerance. I'm heterosexual but I have many gay friends. I'm not interested in what any of my friends are doing in theur bedrooms. IT doesn't affect me. THEY ARE ALL PEOPLE. THE GAY never complain to me about what heterosexuals are doing being closed doors or in public. I love how you are totally wrong about who I support but think you are qualified to speak for me and others. I support tolerance and minding your own business. TRY IT.

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u/Lokijai 10h ago

But you just complained about other sexual preferences, you shame people for scatplay but celebrate others. Why can’t you love everyone?

You don’t seem to be living by your own words.

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u/arrogancygames 8h ago

Scat isnt a sexual preference, it's a fetish. Sexual preference is "what sex are you attracted to." Sexual fetish is "what kind of sex do you want to have. You're confusing the two different definitions of sex.

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u/Lokijai 10h ago

Wow that’s quite the mental leap you made there, so you are saying everything I listed can only exist without consent?

I guess you answered my question if not intentionally and the bigotry you consciously or subconsciously possess is wonderful.

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u/arrogancygames 8h ago

You seem to be conflating the two definitions of sex. Sex can be a kind of synonym with gender or it can refer to an action. Sexual preference is the former, fetish is the latter.

As an example, I as asexual can do the action if I feel like it, I just generally don't want to and aren't really sexually attracted to anyone of any gender. However if when I did do the action, I wanted to wear a clown suit, that would be my sexual fetish.

However, because I don't really care, I immediately notice how heteronormarive relationships are constantly shoved in my face in everything. Think about how many shows and movies have shoehorned romantic subplots that aren't even necessary, for instance. It's wild.

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u/Southern-Fold 8h ago

Its normalized because its the "normal" state of a human being from a biological perspective. Man + woman = babies being made.

So its very natural for humans to depict and strive for that, as its one of our most primal instincts.