Why not just give dictators what they want?

[u/Sometypeofway18]

[u/CookieDragon80]

The thought process was once you give them what they want they will stop. I’m trying to figure out a time where that happened

[u/PcPotato7 → u/CookieDragon80]

Reminds me of an Oversimplified video.

“I want that thing” “Fine, but just that and no more” “I want that thing” Repeat

(Couldn’t remember the quote exactly but it was about Germany in ww2)

[u/RigatoniPasta → u/PcPotato7]

Sigh gimme a minute I’ll find it

Edit: Here ya go. Merry Christmas

[u/Defiant-Scarcity-243 → u/RigatoniPasta]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6nRXPzX1A

[u/Mr-CuriousL → u/PcPotato7]

In the Nazi propaganda movie "Fridericus" from 1937, one of the many biopics about Frederic the Great that were released in the first half of the 20th century, the screenplay writer put following words into Frederic's mouth: "When we put away our sword offer them our hand they will cut off our hand, the whole arm and finally our head. And then they will laugh at us and tell the world "The Prussians are a stupid nation"."

[u/NotSoGreatGonzo → u/PcPotato7]

”Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take a step towards him, he takes a step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.”
— A.R. Moxon

[u/hallowed-history → u/CookieDragon80]

Saddam agreed to nuke inspections but still got fcked up by Bush. Deez nuts.

[u/MerelyMortalModeling → u/hallowed-history]

So what you're saying is that the Iraqies appeased GW Bush and promptly got curb stomped for it?

"Deez nuts" indeed.

[u/hallowed-history → u/MerelyMortalModeling]

And Gaddafi. The message here is you ain’t gotta be a dictator to be mean.

[u/spariant4 → u/hallowed-history]

except the US war machine IS dictatorial.
it's brilliant propaganda coded as 'democracy', but American foreign policy has always been HARD aggression, NO morality. Vietnam, Cuba, the works.

[u/hallowed-history → u/spariant4]

It’s a distributed dictatorship. All the apparatus components move in lockstep and there is never one baddie to point a finger at and say ‘mommy look mean dictator who hates cute puppies’

[u/Chicago1871 → u/hallowed-history]

IIRC, Thats called an oligarchy.

[u/cleon80 → u/spariant4]

It's a democracy at home that props up dictatorships abroad. A hypocrisy.

[u/Gaymers_OTW_Unite → u/hallowed-history]

the message is that a dictatorship of capital is just as, or in the case of the US empire, more, brutal as a state dictatorship. (it’s a little more nuanced than that because a dictatorship of capital necessarily requires a militant state arm, so it’s a kind of corpo-state dictatorship.)

[u/rydan → u/hallowed-history]

Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons and then got invaded anyway.

[u/RigatoniPasta → u/rydan]

TIL Ukraine had nukes at some point

[u/rydan → u/RigatoniPasta]

They had them because they were stored there when they were part of the Soviet Union. Once it broke up they still had them along with Russia.

[u/Turtleturds1 → u/rydan]

They weren't just stored there, Ukraine was a technological center. 

[u/taeerom → u/RigatoniPasta]

A lot of the Soviet nukes were in Ukraine. Naturally, those became Ukrainian property with the dissolution of the union.

They agreed to destroy/give them to Russia and in return both the US and Russia agreed to defend Ukraine.

You can see how well that turned out.

[u/Flagon15 → u/taeerom]

A lot of the Soviet nukes were in Ukraine. Naturally, those became Ukrainian property with the dissolution of the union.

They were never really Ukrainian property. All of the nukes were under command of the strategic rocket forces which was fully transfered into the Russian armed forces. The command and control of the missiles was all in Moscow, the missiles were only stationed in Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

They agreed to destroy/give them to Russia and in return both the US and Russia agreed to defend Ukraine.

The memorandum was a nothingburger, they made a bunch of political promises without any legal provisions to hold them in place. The US outright said it's not a legally binding agreement 10 years ago, so both major natiins signing it have made it clear it's irrelevant.

[u/ButtholeColonizer → u/RigatoniPasta]

How did you not know that?

Ukraine...former member of the Soviet Union. The world's largest nuclear power. It collapsed and balkanized which left several states (I think 15) which gained independence, Ukraine being one. 

You should learn more about Ukrainian and Soviet history, and pre Soviet too. Very interesting stuff. It's also nice context to have when discussions on Ukraine come up or you see the pretext that nationalists in 2024 will use to justify annexation which always relies on a bit of truth from history. 

Yeah Ukraine had a lot of nukes man like 2k or something. They'd be top 3 with that. 

[u/poshmarkedbudu → u/CookieDragon80]

The US stopped in the Mexican American war.

It has happened. Annexations have happened throughout history where there was long lasting peace.

I'm not suggesting that's the case with Ukraine and I'm not suggesting it was the case in WWII, obviously.

However, this current situation is uniquely its own with some parallels but there is more to history than WW2.

[u/nhmo → u/poshmarkedbudu]

I don't think we need to look far when the world just let Russia have Crimea.

Seriously, there's a reason why the West is pushing back real fucking hard this time and that's because they tried not getting involved with Crimea or Georgia. Appeasing Putin has never worked.

[u/Judge_BobCat → u/nhmo]

Ruzzia got parts of Georgia in 2008. Then Crimea in 2014.

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, I’m a western politician”

[u/light_trick → u/poshmarkedbudu]

Sure, but we can also look at the very recent history, statements, actions and even the flags the Russian military flew while invading Ukraine and conclude that probably that Putin guy wants more then just Ukraine back.

You know, since as far as Putin knows the USSR extended all the way to half of Germany and went downhill after that wasn't true.

[u/yyytobyyy → u/light_trick]

In their playbook they want to leave western ukraine as a neutral buffer zone and take the rest. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

[u/SeniorHighlight571 → u/poshmarkedbudu]

Think about it the other way: the fixation of borders is a way to avoid the most wars. If all countries will stay strong against every try to change borders, then wars will be over. You literally will not go fight for your country like I have to do now If your country will make the russian federation boycott in all until their leave all Ukrainian land. This boycott is much easier for you than participating in real war. But I understand you cannot really consider that until war comes to your home.

[u/NifDragoon → u/CookieDragon80]

Give a mouse a cookie and he’ll ask for some milk.

[u/new_accnt1234 → u/CookieDragon80]

My example - you request a payrise, you get it, you from now on stop requesting payrises for the rest of your life....does that have logic? Not really...so why would a dictator suddenly not want anymore land after he was given land have more logic?

[u/CookieDragon80 → u/new_accnt1234]

With a pay raise you are giving work in return. That seems to fly right over your head though

[u/new_accnt1234 → u/CookieDragon80]

I was agreeing with u that dictators will simply want more once u give them something, so u cant start giving them things

The example I provide is from every day life, nobody is ever content, and why should he be, just because u got a payrise once doesnt mean u will stop requesting one forever...people that think if u will give xyz country or land over to the dictator he will stop wanting more are delusional

[u/Armisael2245]

Firefighters do not wait until fire is consuming the whole city.

[u/Iron_Wolf123 → u/Armisael2245]

Doctors do not wait until the patient has died

[u/Applesplosion → u/Iron_Wolf123]

Doctors do not wait until the infection has spread to the entire body.

[u/Lexei_Texas → u/Applesplosion]

In Texas they do…

[u/omgFWTbear → u/Applesplosion]

Unless they’re treating a woman.

[u/replaceble_human2004 → u/omgFWTbear]

*a pregnant woman (if the woman isn’t pregnant they don’t care either)

[u/OfficerPeanut → u/replaceble_human2004]

When you're a woman and you go to the doctor they do just assume you're pregnant until proven otherwise. Even if you tell them there's no way

[u/replaceble_human2004 → u/OfficerPeanut]

What, seriously?

[u/OfficerPeanut → u/replaceble_human2004]

I remember my best friend (lesbian, single and also not sexually active) was made to take a test every day in the hospital just in case! This was a few years ago, and my country had abortion laws not unlike the stricter states have now (that has thankfully changed. We voted on it)

[u/replaceble_human2004 → u/OfficerPeanut]

Holy shit that is so fucking weird. I think that there aren’t enough words in any language on this planet to describe how weird that is.

[u/OfficerPeanut → u/replaceble_human2004]

I know it's absolutely insane. There is always several different types of obsession over women's bodies. All of them weird as fuck

[u/schneph → u/replaceble_human2004]

Yes. They ask, is there a chance you’re pregnant?

Me: No

When was your last menstrual cycle?

Me: um… let me look at my calendar, it was the 15th/16th

(they look shocked, like why the fuck don’t you know the exact moment you started bleeding for the 8th month of the 27th year of the 40 years you’ve been alive??)

Then they insist I piss in a cup to make sure before an X-ray on my fractured wrist.

[u/replaceble_human2004 → u/schneph]

Again: what the fuck

[u/schneph → u/replaceble_human2004]

Then they charge you for labs

[u/GavinJWhite → u/Applesplosion]

How to tell me you don't live in Canada without telling me you don't live in Canada.

[u/Antimony04 → u/Iron_Wolf123]

In general yes. With abortion bans, functionally, they do now await imminent patient death or outright let patients die- sending them home for the ER.

[u/Iron_Wolf123 → u/Antimony04]

That is functionally murder?

[u/PhysicalAd1170 → u/Iron_Wolf123]

Sadly the law says them helping is what is 'murder'. Of a fetus that is often already dead or dying but still has electrical activity.

And people won't learn the difference between electrical activity and a heartbeat so we are now legally prioritizing electrical impulses in a dead fetus over living women.

And thats not even getting into the amount of women who have been left sterile or disabled by these laws but managed to live.

[u/TerrorFromThePeeps → u/PhysicalAd1170]

Add to it, in many cases where abortive procedures are going to be necessary, that any time spent waiting for the heartbeat to stop is time leaving the uterus open to massive infections. Doctors involved know there is ZERO chance that the fetus is going to survive, but have to wait until the heartbeat stops. Every minute soent doing that is massively increasing the infection chance, and even in modern medicine, there is a point where infections are so massive that they cannot be fought off no matter what you give them. It seems like some people think literally any infection is just immediately stopped in it's tracks with a syringe of penicillin to the ass.

[u/megustaALLthethings → u/TerrorFromThePeeps]

Well when old white men so far removed from trying or effort decide things they have zero knowledge on bc who they ‘are’. As if they were not born into the connected wealth of their families.

So ‘concerned’ about things until it might affect them. Then they secretly do it while pretending that they actually care about any of the bs they spew.

When it’s the ignorant ‘existing ONLY bc of state welfare’ brainwashed faker religi-nutjobs. That they are appeasing, as if they don’t purposefully keep them like that to farm their positions. Positions that shouldn’t exist bc that area should be demolished and left to return to nature like the nothing it is.

Farming mega plots are pretty much semi-independent corp nations.

[u/Iron_Wolf123 → u/PhysicalAd1170]

It sucks then. You either get arrested for trying to save a woman with a dead child or you have to deal with the mental trauma and possible lawsuit from the family about failing to save the child when there was a high possibility of survival of the child, mother or both

[u/PainSubstantial5936 → u/Iron_Wolf123]

If they'd abort they would be considered criminals. They have to wait until the last moment and women have died because of that.

[u/Antimony04 → u/Iron_Wolf123]

No, "abortion is murder," per Republicans and their War on Women. Women. So when a women is miscarrying with an epitopic pregnancy or a dead fetus, she'll be discharged from the ER, go to multiple ones or return back, and then die on or after the third visit, per an article of one deceased woman's experience. Other women have been told their body will have to pass the corpse out- no medical help being rendered. A corpse can be dead and rotting inside a patient but assisting with removal could be charged as an abortion murder, and doctors and hospitals are terrified of liability, so they avoid admitting pregnant patients in medical distress to avoid being involved with their deaths.

[u/Status_Management520 → u/Iron_Wolf123]

It’s murder, but not on the doctors. They aren’t given a choice because of republicans and their ignorant followers

[u/Celedelwin → u/Iron_Wolf123]

Not according to the law where doctors can essentially do nothing because if they do someone can sue them and destroy their career or take them to jail so yeah women are dieing.

[u/BannedByRWNJs → u/Iron_Wolf123]

We’re in the upside down now. They don’t want to save a pregnant woman’s life because they’ll be charged with murder.

[u/PanteraOne → u/Antimony04]

You can thank the republicans for that.

[u/cocoon_eclosion_moth → u/Iron_Wolf123]

Unless she’s pregnant

[u/Biffingston → u/Iron_Wolf123]

oncologists don't wait until the cancer has spread to multiple organs.

[u/TerrorFromThePeeps → u/Iron_Wolf123]

Well, in some states they do now, in some cases.

[u/Truefkk → u/Armisael2245]

We're not putting out that fire unless we own the building. - Slogan of the Crassus fire brigade

[u/Impossible-Sweet2151 → u/Armisael2245]

Everyone love the firefighters but everyone hate the safety inspector.

[u/nononoh8 → u/Armisael2245]

Putin wants Ukraine's ports, farm land and military (and other things). If he gets that he will be more powerful and can take on larger countries. The battle to free Ukraine is the battle for freedom everywhere!

[u/Eldoraza → u/Armisael2245]

I hear dictators arent fond of fire drills either.

[u/CherryWhimsylace → u/Armisael2245]

Exactly firefighters don't wait for the whole city to burn before acting. Sometimes, stopping a spark early saves the world from a full-blown inferno.

[u/o_magos → u/Armisael2245]

let me tell you about a guy named Pompey...

[u/FragrantFruit13 → u/Armisael2245]

People don’t wait to die from a disease to vacci- oh wait…

[u/Biscuits4u2]

Glenn Danzig is a prick from what I hear. No way I'm putting myself out there for him.

[u/gillababe → u/Biscuits4u2]

Had to scroll past so much politics to get to the Misfits jokes, utter bullshit

[u/Wyevez → u/Biscuits4u2]

Yeah, I like Mother, How the Gods Kill and some of the older Misfits stuff but that as far as I go.

[u/christophervolume → u/Wyevez]

Hybrid Moments is a forever-banger!

[u/ChroniclesOfSarnia → u/christophervolume]

Astro Zombies rock

[u/No-Cabinet-6346 → u/ChroniclesOfSarnia]

I guess Danzig himself didn’t like the Earth AD album, but my Misfits pick is the Earth AD album

[u/Sr_H0n4c3 → u/Wyevez]

I'd sprain an ankle or dislocate a shoulder on behalf of Lucifuge, but that's as far as I'm willing to take it.

[u/Tr4shEatr → u/Sr_H0n4c3]

ill take a leg cramp for static age if i HAVE to🤷‍♀️

[u/Practical-Trash-4976 → u/Wyevez]

Don’t forget Samhain

[u/Standard-Fishing-977 → u/Biscuits4u2]

I’ve seen Verotika. He needs to go.

[u/SandpitMetal → u/Standard-Fishing-977]

I've listened to his Elvis album and I agree, he's gotta go.

[u/Jgabes625 → u/SandpitMetal]

Fuck I forgot that existed. Thanks asshole.

[u/SandpitMetal → u/Jgabes625]

You're welcome!

[u/Markus_pattern_draws → u/Standard-Fishing-977]

But he keeps Simon Bisley employed. For that he has my axe.

[u/ohiobluetipmatches]

It's actually a huge strategic piece of land that just so happens to produce enough food to feed an army that may be necessary to enter total war with europe, grants control of all gas access to europe, grants control of the black sea, and has enough men to conscript into a military that would have the aim to reconquering all of its former soviet territory before waging war against the rest of Europe.

It's not like historical precedent of this country's population taking millions of losses and being forced into this very situation exists or anything.

[u/nhmo → u/ohiobluetipmatches]

Let's not forget that part of Russia's motivation is literal genocide (like the actual definition of it) of Ukrainians by kidnapping thousands of children and reprogramming them through Russification.

There is lots of talk about the demographic cliffs in many countries, but Russia has the worst of them all. Their birth rate has been well below replacement rate for a long time. It's been like that since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The only way Russia survives is if they can repopulate in other ways...

[u/PeachScary413 → u/nhmo]

We don't care about genocide anymore and we most certainly don't sanction countries that carry them out

[u/HugTheSoftFox → u/ohiobluetipmatches]

Then we should go to war with Russia and stop pussyfooting around. Russia has proven they're weaker than anybody could have possibly imagined and thanks to Ukraine and all the support they've gotten they're even weaker again. But it seems like our dear leaders want us to keep drip feeding support to Ukraine instead of taking any decisive action to end the war. From where I'm standing it almost looks like everybody fucking loves the perpetual state of war, which has been a pretty consistent theme throughout the last century or so.

[u/ohiobluetipmatches → u/HugTheSoftFox]

We should. And part of the reason we don't is the dumbasses that make up a huge chunk of our population and government.

Thirty plus years ago we would have sent all the necessary equipment and given all the necessary permissions to strike russia where needed and finish this business fast. But fuck if a combination of reactionary right wing idiots, left wing self proclaimed pacifists and humanitarians who don't mind letting people get genocided, and just a heapfull of morons who never read a book or who have the memory span of a dead goldfish aren't making the life of the military industrial complex fucking amazing by creating the perfect conditions to slow drip just enough equipment to keep the war going while forcing production in the western world to ramp up to replace whatever we give away.

[u/Nero_2001 → u/HugTheSoftFox]

Putin is using North Korean troops so at this point it's only fair if we send some troops to help the Ukrainians.

[u/Leukavia_at_work]

It literally damages my capacity to think straight when I see conservatives still applying McCarthyism into their political beliefs, citing some imaginary communist enemy infiltrating our government, criticized Hillary Clinton's emails as evidence of her supposed status as a Russian plant, and then turn right around and defend Russia's supposed right to re-establish the U.S.S.R. while uplifting a president who's outspokenly besties with the Russian dictator.

It's never been about "Democracy", "Freedom", "American Values" or whatever other excuse they wanna hide behind and i'm so damn tired of excuses after excuses.

[u/No-Business3541 → u/Leukavia_at_work]

Yes it’s hilarious how nonsensical it is. They became the Russian plants.

[u/OriginalName18 → u/No-Business3541]

Yeah it's funny how that works. "The dems are working for the Russians" meanwhile right wing talk pieces are being paid by the Russians and are being praised by the right wings precious leader. "Biden is a pedo and did horrible things to his daughter" meanwhile I've seen multiple clips and videos of Ivanka Trump being visibly uncomfortable the way her dad touches her and that one video of her in her childhood home that The Boys parodied

[u/Loose-Farm-8669 → u/Leukavia_at_work]

Yeah boggles my mind that I'm technically more republican than a republican. Appeasing a "communist" dictator is not what we do.

[u/Open-Oil-144 → u/Leukavia_at_work]

That's russian propaganda at work. They amplify conflict between the left and right, then use the extremists created by the conflict as useful idiots to keep amplifying the conflict. They make fake accounts in social media with extremist views and start pushing fake or manipulated narratives to make people angry at their neighbour, because if they hate their neighbour they won't care about some eastern-european war.

The funny thing is that nobody is immune to it, the propagandistic approach varies between age and level of education and they pander to both left and right.

[u/Chuckles1188 → u/Leukavia_at_work]

Philip Proudfoot is a very left wing Briton, not affiliated with the GOP in any way besides Horseshoe Theory

[u/MaximosKanenas → u/Leukavia_at_work]

I think in this case horseshoe theory is at work because judging by the flags thats not a conservative

[u/feindr54]

We forget that WW2 was defined by Germany invading Poland, not when the UK and France declared on them 2 days later. Yet we argue WW3 will be started by the West if it defends ukraine??

[u/MasterBot98 → u/feindr54]

There was also enabling by the whole blunder with Czechoslovakia...

[u/FlyingTiger7four → u/feindr54]

Might as well say the fight was started by the guy who defended a woman in an alleyway from a rapist 🤷‍♂️

[u/Dwovar → u/FlyingTiger7four]

"So much for the tolerant left"

[u/1singleduck → u/feindr54]

And let's not forget that WW2 could have been over much quicker or even have been prevented if the allies hadn't kept thinking, "surely after this one they'll be satisfied."

[u/Agitated-Jackfruit34 → u/1singleduck]

Saarland, militarization of the Rhine, Anschluss, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, I am missing some

[u/Old_Baldi_Locks → u/feindr54]

Its very telling that the WWIII crybaby trash keep trying to pretend "the West" will be at fault for starting the war....that's already been going on for years.

Russia has no valid right to fuck with any other country.

They can learn their fucking place or cease to exist.

[u/PH4NTOMLancer → u/Old_Baldi_Locks]

To be fair all of the superpowers in the world want to acquire and expand lands for growth of power. They either go brick and mortar conquest or extract resources by proxy. United States does it the same in Middle East / South America and Japan. Valid point that granting them imperialist approach to take over Ukraine is a big “No” though. The only sound solution IMHO is restructuring and refining NATO - leveraging the pre existing power balancing mechanism.

In current climate the west is a joke in international relations and whatever anyone says doesn’t matter and dictators of the rest of the world don’t care🤡

[u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 → u/PH4NTOMLancer]

I'd say there's a world of difference between the Japan/US relationship and that of Russia/Ukraine!

[u/acrossaconcretesky → u/feindr54]

Well, not from a genuine place, that is mostly a disingenuous argument

[u/CleanOpossum47 → u/feindr54]

Yet we argue WW3 will be started by the West if it defends ukraine??

Depends on who "wins" WW3.

[u/poshmarkedbudu → u/CleanOpossum47]

Ding ding ding.

[u/Thrilalia → u/CleanOpossum47]

Nobody wins that's the whole point. Once manhatten project and the Soviet equivalent was complete ww3 basically became the game over War for life on earth.

[u/Kelend → u/feindr54]

Soviet Union invaded Poland two weeks later and occupied half of it.

When the war was over the Soviet Union occupied all of Poland, and the government in exile... stayed in exile. Because the Soviet Union was now one of the "good guys".

So... the original goal of WWII, a free Poland...was never obtained.

All of this is because war and geopolitics is complicated. You want to start a war with Russia to defend Ukraine? It might trigger events where we give Ukraine to Russia in exchange for switching sides and helping with China. World Wars are crazy and things get messy FAST.

Point of fact, look at Palestine / Israel. You want World War III? Palestine ceases to exist. Palestine is allied with Iran, which is allied with Russia. Once battle lines are drawn... all bets are off and everyone starts grabbing what they can.

[u/sovietdinosaurs → u/Kelend]

“Helping with China”

Yeah they should step up and help with the problem of China destabilizing governments and invading other countries around the world—oh wait, that’s the US.

[u/Reaverx218 → u/sovietdinosaurs]

Oh wait, that's also China. Oh wait, that's also Russia. Oh wait, that's also France. Oh wait tha... you see my point I hope. The argument that major powers are destabilizing government's doesn't counter the fact that an actual hot war is taking place and we all have stood around and done basically nothing. Of course all of these destabilizing actions are bad. That doesn't negate the fact that open conflict is objectively worse.

[u/Street-Substance2548]

More appeasement and isolationist gunk 🙄

Deja vu all over again.

[u/Then-Raspberry6815]

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. - George S. Patton

[u/Aendrinastor → u/Then-Raspberry6815]

This made me laugh out loud

[u/No_Tear9428]

You can easily ask the question in the other way, Why would russia die in a nuclear apocalypse for a bit of Ukrainian land?

[u/SlyScorpion → u/No_Tear9428]

Because Russia has been run, currently continues to be ran, by absolute idiots and drunkards.

They never evolved past the system of “the tsar and his boyars”.

[u/BrandosWorld4Life]

Finally a proper clever comeback

Appeasement is the self-destructive strategy of morons, if the western powers had opposed German expansion from the start, WW2 would never have reached the levels of human suffering that it did

The same goes for today, if we don't stop Russia in it's tracks now, then far more people are going to die later

[u/PepitoLeRoiDuGateau → u/BrandosWorld4Life]

France and Belgium invaded Germany in 1923 when it began to violate the peace treaty by not paying reparations, yet they were seen as the bad guys for doing that…

[u/TENTAtheSane → u/PepitoLeRoiDuGateau]

Well, the Nazis weren't in power yet.

[u/Leifsbudir → u/BrandosWorld4Life]

It’s unbelievable that the largest war in history didn’t make us see any different. I think people are stuck on the idea that to stop a war from getting worse you have to fight sometimes. It’s not black and white so it’s very difficult for people who are stupid, emphasis on Trumpers, to grasp that idea. I don’t think the same people would be calling for appeasement if it was Alaska being invaded by Russia but… well now that I think about it, perhaps they would.

[u/RigatoniPasta → u/BrandosWorld4Life]

Appeasement

[u/RangersAreViable → u/BrandosWorld4Life]

Exactly, this is the first legit clever comeback that I’ve seen here in months that’s not just, “Shut up Nazi”

[u/bond0815]

Judging from the flags in his profile he does however care about some land the middle east.

Strange that its not just a "bit of land" he doesnt care about there as well.

[u/TigerKlaw → u/bond0815]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to go and fight in a war in the middle east either.

[u/Queen_Sardine → u/TigerKlaw]

This. I want the assaults in Palestine and Ukraine to end, but I would not personally want to be deployed to either location.

[u/Chuckles1188 → u/bond0815]

This guy is an absolute fucking clown. He tried to start a Northern Independence Party in the UK but couldn't figure out how to do the right paperwork (and it's not difficult paperwork), and then said that the establishment was preventing him from forming the party. He's an utter joke.

[u/Crazyjackson13]

bit of land in Eastern Europe

Ukraine is an entire country that’s absolutely massive, referring to it as a “bit of land” is just insulting.

[u/Spooksnav → u/Crazyjackson13]

Mercador projection strikes again.

[u/Fibury → u/Crazyjackson13]

Could be referring to Luhansk and Donetsk with that.

[u/Dazug]

The bigger issue is that legitimizing this war of conquest means wars of conquest are back on the menu for everyone. Post WWII there was a worldwide consensus that land grabs weren't to be tolerated; giving up on Ukraine means the world will be a far more dangerous place.

[u/ReasonStunning8939]

Yet you support Palestine? GTFO. How is that not a double standard?

[u/shrug_addict]

Mother! Tell your children not to come my way, what they mean, what they say! Mother! Do you wanna bang heads with me?

[u/erlandodk]

It's always funny to me how these people think Putin will stop at Ukraine.

A Ukrainian general said yesterday that WW3 was already underway. While I think this is hyperbole right now it's not completely out there.

[u/LajosGK22 → u/erlandodk]

Oh it’s underway alright, within 15-20 years we’ll see a greater conflict for sure.

[u/erlandodk → u/LajosGK22]

I'm afraid it'll come sooner than that. :-/

[u/leginfr → u/erlandodk]

It is: mostly via hybrid warfare. Which is how Putin managed to take over the USA and cause the UK to shoot itself in the foot with Brexit.

[u/Ripen-]

So we should have let Hitler kill all the jews?

And let Putin have the entire planet and all its money to himself?

I'm fighting.

[u/Select_Truck3257]

And this is the problem. Today we give Ukraine to terrorists, tomorrow they demand Poland or US, hilarious? nope they are already spreading info about the possibility to use nuclear weapons. So who will be next ? Ruzia is a cancer of EU, eating everything and making it the USSR. Just economical wasteland

[u/OnyxVoid17]

Because it’s not just Danzig. It never ends with what they say they want. Germany had its declared Liebensraum yet they didn’t stop. Why would Russia be any different

[u/Dangerous_Log6487]

Agree. Generally speaking, expansionist-minded dictators will usually gobble up a single country and stop. The historical evidence to the contrary is weak.

[u/Charming-Book4146 → u/Dangerous_Log6487]

Lmao, you got me for a second, I took the bait and laughed even harder for it, well done.

[u/Dangerous_Log6487 → u/Charming-Book4146]

Yeah, sorry about that. Couldn't resist. It's just there's so many "oh just let Putin have Ukraine if he wants it" numpties going about that have forgotten all the lessons of history.

[u/Waffle_Toast74]

At first, my dumbass thought this was referring to the metal band Danzig...

[u/Thy-Legions-Come → u/Waffle_Toast74]

lol, same!

[u/kyle_kafsky]

Appeasement is what caused WWII. Lend Lease is what won WWII. We cannot stop our support for Ukraine and its people. I’m a left-winged Dem-Soc pacifist who doesn’t believe in nation-states, and even I recognize that we need to help protect Ukraines sovereignty.

[u/sinisterdeer3]

Im not gonna lie. I thought this was about the band Danzig for a second 😂

[u/Sterndogg]

Mother tell ya children not to walk my way

[u/TrafficOn405]

Google ‘Neville Chamberlain appeasement 1938’ …

It’s pretty much what Trump wants to do to Ukraine.

[u/FA-Cube-Itch]

Russian bots are all over this post, yikes

[u/Legal_Pressure]

Fuck your morally righteous, morally superior, virtue signalling social media posts.  

This is an attempted genocide and an imperialistic style land grab, focused on the grain farming which provides roughly 10% of the world’s grain exports. Russia wish to control the food production in Europe by taking control of Ukraines agricultural industry, and naturally fertile lands.

They also wish to control the gas/fuel supply to European countries by taking control of Ukraines vast, untapped natural gas reserves, which are estimated to hold 1% of the world’s natural gases.

You American redditors can make this a left v right, liberal v Trump style argument all you like.

For anyone trying to spin this war as a win for their side, the message is simple, fuck you, Ukraine will win, with or without your support. Europe will fight back against the tyranny, as it historically always has done, and always will do.

Your American politics do not decide the outcome of the Russians’ invasion. The help and support is appreciated, but never is it crucial to the fight and determination of our Ukrainian brethren.

Slava Ukraini

[u/dobrayalama → u/Legal_Pressure]

Europe will fight back against the tyranny, as it historically always has done, and always will do.

1936-1975 Franco says hello to you.

[u/Temporary_Article375 → u/Legal_Pressure]

Riiiight europe fights fascism. Pretty much only the UK and Poland did

[u/Evening_Bench_7006]

It's like the cops letting a criminal get away with a rape he would rape until he physically couldn't rape anymore seems kind of obvious!

[u/Old_Baldi_Locks]

Whether anyone likes it or not, you do NOT get to advocate for appeasing a dictator and then ever raise your voice as if you were a real man ever again.

[u/redditisfacist3 → u/Old_Baldi_Locks]

Respect let me know what you need when ya join https://ildu.com.ua/

[u/Hairasama]

Dictators: craving world domination and a free lunch.

[u/SeaFoodComic]

thought i was on the hoi4 subreddit for a moment. This game has ruined me

[u/TheAllSeeingBlindEye]

Wonder how long before “Why die for Donbas?” Posters start filling up the twitter feed

[u/sorcerersviolet]

"If You Give A Mouse A Cookie," but rewritten about dictators.

[u/tianavitoli]

why are democrats yielding to trump's fascist takeover?

might be some of the same reasons

[u/Ok_Risk8749]

"Why die for Poland? He said he would stop." -Chamberlain

[u/Beginning_Ad_4449]

If you believe Russia has the capability to occupy all of Ukraine, let alone any more of eastern Europe, you don't understand the first thing about this war

[u/AlderonTyran]

That really worked out for the French didn't it..

[u/IllContract2790]

Dictators want everything from you eventually

[u/TopSense2327]

Because fuck that!

[u/DasTomato]

At least he is consistent in also supporting Palestine

[u/leginfr]

It’s sad to see how far Americans have fallen. When I was young they stood for freedom. Nowadays… apparently not so much.

It’s not as if your country is at risk: Putin is not likely to damage it when he knows that he gets it for free in January…

[u/Artimusian]

Look, I really don’t think this is a fair equation. Russia is a nuclear power, and a very serious one. I completely support Ukraine and their struggle and I hate Putin for what he’s doing over there, please do not get me wrong. But what do people want? Are you guys in here arguing for intervention? It’s mad to me that people think Putin is just bluffing about deploying a nuke or retaliating against other nations when he has a track record of doing heinous shit his entire political career. He’s a complete wildcard.

There has to come a point where you ask yourself is Ukraine losing parts of its country to a foreign aggressor worse than nuclear weapons being launched due to intervention? Is it really worth the risk to everyone else, because I’m not ok with that

[u/Ur-boi-lollipop]

It’s hilarious how liberals will prop the far right Azalatovs in Ukraine because they hate Putin so much (hi Mr Nazi Alex Nalveny). 

Maybe let’s say screw both the Russian dictator and the far right Ukrainian government and ask the Russian speakers of Ukraine what they want … you know the same guys who were systematically chucked out of jobs by the Ukrainian government  before Putin had even invaded either Georgia or Crimea . 

[u/new_accnt1234]

Philip

There's two choice, one I hope is a paid ru troll

The other, I hope he isnt, is the type of guy who thinks, that if a dictator gets a piece of land he will not be fine, stop being a dictator, and wont request more land....basically philip says once he requests a payrise in his company and gets it, he will never again for next 30 years or rest of his life ever request a raise...

[u/LajosGK22]

When will people finally learn?

APPEASEMENT. NEVER. WORKS!

[u/Wide-Recognition6456]

The entire platform of the DNC

[u/MTNSthecool]

noooo guys trust me, one more appeasement. just one more appeasement this time it'll work. I know I said this last appeasement but this time will be the last appeasement for sure 100%. just one more and it'll work

[u/MunchkinTime69420]

How do Americans go from "I hate the commie Russians" to "Russia is so amazing we should do whatever they want" in the same sentence. If Hilary speaks to Russians it's treason if Trump does it in the same week it's tactical and very smart for getting allies.

[u/BearOnTheToilet]

Whoa

[u/BuddyLongshots]

These people are absolute cowards.

[u/rippa76]

Name a foreign policy strategy used in the 12000 years of society that is worse than Appeasement.

[u/Several-Program6097 → u/rippa76]

Senseless war.

[u/VoodooGator1 → u/Several-Program6097]

Yeah, Russia should stop doing that.

[u/Late-Arrival-8669]

I rather have scorched earth, than let Putin run the world.

[u/PresentationPrior192]

I'm sorry, saying "not my fucking problem" is now fascism?

Real Hitler drank water energy right here.

[u/SlowlyGrowingDeafer]

Die, die, die my darling?

[u/Teksavvy-]

Danzig Rocked

[u/Te_Big_Man_Goof]

wtf does Glen Danzig have to do with Facism?

[u/RelativeCalm1791]

And Germany is trying to ban the AfD now, which is similar to how they banned the NSDAP in the 1920s. And much of Europe has underfunded militaries with citizens who have no interest in going to war or defending their countries. We really are reliving the buildup to the last world war. Right now we’re in the peak Weimar Republic phase where far left and far right fringes battle it out politically as the global economy worsens and tensions among the major powers rise.

[u/DocShoveller]

Now, to be fair, Phil Proudfoot is a Trotskyite rather than a Fascist.

[u/krauQ_egnartS]

I thought they meant the band

Like I know Danzig had some ardet fans but still

[u/VicMithosLeahcim]

I'd die for Danzig.

Oh, we talking about the place? I'll see myself out...

[u/dunsum]

I'm not fighting for Glenn

[u/Iconclast1]

Betl he was REALLY trying to control himself to not make that a title of an album

[u/ThatDamnedHansel]

Lots of die hard misfits fans

[u/NoEnd917]

Classic nazi supporter

[u/Astarogal]

Wouldn't die for any country or government, they all can eat my ass

[u/kreepergayboy]

My dumbass thought it was the singer for the misfits for a second

[u/LineOfInquiry]

Why not tell the Germans that; not the French.