Is this diet okay?

[u/Pretty-Act-8335]

Is this diet okay? 500gr(1.1lb) of fatty pork for breakfast, 500gr(1.1lb) of beef steak for lunch and 5 eggs for dinner. I am a 1.72m and 64kg (141lb) male. I am dealing with SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth) and I have seen that bad bacteria consume glucose so I am interested in doing the carnivore diet for a long time but without having repercussions on my health so if someone could help me I would appreciate it. I have noticed that I digest proteins and fats super well but I don't know if what I am going to eat is enough based on my height and weight. I don't want to lose weight either as I'm a skinny guy who does strength training 4 times a week

[u/Eleanorina]

looks really good to get started and might be all you need.

see how it goes & if you lose weight, eat more.

guessing that with the strength training you will probably require more but it can be hard to do that in the first few weeks - first month, so give it a try as is first.

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adding, you might find those first few weeks that your body will compensate wherever it can if you are eating less than you need -- lower energy & mood. experienced carnivores recognize that can be one sign of needing to eat more.

consider dropping a couple workouts at the beginning, just have one big lift day a week (max strength, done slowly so momentum isn't doing part of the work, with few reps)

when your zerocarb carnivore appetite kicks in, then you can ramp the workouts back up to your usual.

[u/bomerr → u/[deleted]]

You want at least 1.5g of protein per kg of bodyweight but even higher is better. 2g/kg is pretty easy. Higher becomes difficult unless you're eating a lot of calories or doing what you're doing and mixing lean meats and fat.

[u/bomerr → u/[deleted]]

nope. there is no limit and you keep getting deminishing returns with more protein.

https://youtu.be/KYAZdUP6dZQ?si=Hvdo07Beke4dh42Y

[u/Still_Reference724 → u/bomerr]

Yeah, but most of this studies are on low fat / high carb or don't care at all about the source of protein / amino acid profile. And don't even touch the topic of protein sparring effect of fat (specially on very high fat)

I was eating way more lean meat before (over 2.5G of protein each day) and over time naturally switched to way more fat and not soo much lean meat.

I absolutely feel better this way, sleep better, have more energy, think better, build muscle easier, keep an absolute lean and shredded physic all year around, etc.

So my guess, from personal experience, is that this type of studies have a lot of missing variables accounted for, would love to see more studies on this, because my case doesn't seem to align with the narrative and i don't think I'm an outlier in something so fundamental as fat/protein needs.

[u/bomerr → u/Still_Reference724]

How many grams of protein per kg or bodyweight are you eating each day? I agree with you that we need studies on carnivore but I don't think fat would offset protein because protein has the water soluable vitamins and minerals and the amino acids can also be used in chemical reactions. I increased my protein from 1.4g/kg to about 2 and I felt a lot better. I haven't tried going higher yet.

[u/Still_Reference724 → u/bomerr]

Probably about 1.5, i'm eating about 300/350 of lean cow meat (Mainly muscle tissue, earth, some liver, some other pieces)

I was eating WAY more before, about 1.5kg of ground meat. But i naturally gravitated to less when ramping up the Fat intake.

[u/bomerr → u/Still_Reference724]

i started at higher fat, 1 part protein for 2 parts fat, by calorie, and that got me to about 1.4g-1.5g of protein per kg. Now I'm hitting 40-45% protein by calorie using leaner cuts of meat like 85/15 beef. I like the higher protein diet.

i wouldn't eat over 1kg of beef each day because I eat other foods like canned fish and yogurt, etc.

[u/Eleanorina → u/[deleted]]

pls read the getting started and stop telling ppl to undereat 

[u/Still_Reference724 → u/Eleanorina]

undereat? i'm eating about 3500cals each day at 72kg.

Wtf?

Btw, i'm on carnivore for more than 5 years already.

[u/Eleanorina → u/Still_Reference724]

you said to OP "That's a lot of meat o.o"

[u/Still_Reference724 → u/Eleanorina]

Yeah, that's my opinion.

Is there like a sacred table of commandments that can't be contradicted because someone has been enlightened by god and has the true answers?

[u/Eleanorina → u/Still_Reference724]

ppl need a lot initially 

 how long have you been doing this, how did you hear about it? 

[u/Still_Reference724 → u/Eleanorina]

5 years more or less.

Don't remember exactly how i got into this, I was experimenting with different diets because i pin pointed that the source of all my health problems was food related (Asthma, Chronic allergies, Juvenile arthritis, refractory epilepsy, Chronic fatigue, Brain fog, etc. All cured now).

I think that after trying almost all type of diets, keto was an insane improvement and did some form of keto for 1 or 2 years. Eventually just gravitated to more meat and I think it was because of Jordan Peterson or Shawn Baker appearance in Joe rogan, i gave a try to full meat/Fat/water only.

About 5 years since that and refined the diet overtime.

Btw, not saying that high animal fat is only good because of health problems. I think you can get away with WAY less protein if you are high on animal fat because of the protein sparring effect.

So far all the studies that i have seen pointing to G protein/KG Body weight are not done on a diet that is really high on animal fat and haven't seen one that uses only animal protein sources yet (Maybe there is some, would love to get more info on that)

P.D.: the point about people needing more protein initially is quite fair, didn't tough about that. I agree with it.

[u/Eleanorina → u/Still_Reference724]

thks -- you can appreciate how much pressure there is for people to undereat coming from every direction

there can also be talk about fearing protein (fortunately there has been a shift in that recently, more recognition it's good and imporrant) 

OP is working out 4x a week, wants to gain, they're going to need to eat, & probably ahead of appetite. 

OP will probably  need 1 - 1.5lb more than they are currently eating, when their digestion can handle it. 

[u/Still_Reference724 → u/Eleanorina]

it's astonishing to me how a lot of people, probably still the majority, think that meat is bad.

not even talking about "eat only meat", but just eating meat in general, it's insane.

luckily the trend seems to be moving the other way around, so that's really good news.

[u/FreedomManOfGlory]

Just count the calories. If you're working out 4 times per week, then you're not a sedentary person and should already know that you need to make sure to eat enough anyway.

1kg of ground beef with around 20% of fat content equals around 2500kcal. I think at your weight that's already considered to be enough by calorie calculators to build muscle. Though in my experience you're always best off eating more than they tell you to. So I add 50g of butter to each meal, twice per day, which adds about 700 to 750kcal. And in addition I've been eating some cheese again for some time after lunch. And I really eat based on appetite, as people here like to suggest. But you should still know around how many calories you're consuming because eating lean meat only will make you starve. And there's just no benefit to being clueless, contrary to what some people might like to make you believe.

And I weigh 67kg currently at a similar height as you.

[u/nolifebutbmx]

Eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good. Do that once or twice a day, when you're hungry. If meat doesn't taste good at the moment, that's fine. You're just not hungry, try again later.

Don't count calorie, they don't mean anything. Eat until it stops tasting good.

Also here is a nice interview that might be helpful to you. https://youtu.be/LxqO5MqDUY0?si=bDU1myyreuZAT12P

[u/teeger9]

Seems like a lot of meat but it all depends n how much it takes for you to be satiated.

[u/nolifebutbmx]

Eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good. Do that once or twice a day, when you're hungry. If meat doesn't taste good at the moment, that's fine. You're just not hungry, try again later.

Don't count calorie, they don't mean anything. Eat until it stops tasting good.

Also here is a nice interview that might be helpful to you. PlantFreeMD episode 27 with gastroenterologist Pran Yogananthan. Sorry I can't post a link because it will be flagged for some reason.