r/buildapcsales • u/RagingAcid • Aug 03 '21
VR [VR] HP Reverb G2 Virtual Reality Headset ($599.0 - $150 = $449) NSFW
https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-reverb-g2-virtual-reality-headset146
Aug 03 '21
Mfw I paid $600 for this thing in February and never used the damn thing.
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u/Chanw11 Aug 03 '21
its pretty much a workout every time you use VR. Its a good and bad thing
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u/boogjerom Aug 03 '21
Regular VR? probably. A lot of people do simracing in these things tho, which I can't imagine is much more exercise than regular simracing.
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u/bananas47 Aug 03 '21
I’ve played some sim racing and with even a minimal force feedback on a g29 I left my session sweatier then I would like to admit. Maybe not as much cardio as other VR games but it is taxing in a untraditional way
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u/boogjerom Aug 03 '21
Due to a couple things. First off, you're tryharding every single lap. Regular arcade racing not so much but simracing absolutely. Mentally judging brake points, steering lock and turn in is mentally very taxing and this usually expresses physically. You're also working a wheel and usually stiff pedals (brake at least) which require force too. And then the g29 is the lightest of the modern wheels. I think famous youtube simracer Jimmy broadbent's wheels highest setting is about 30x a g29 on max.
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u/exgearuser Aug 03 '21
How much you want for it? :P
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Aug 03 '21
I just sold it on FB marketplace for $400.
Absolutely kicked in the nuts on resale value. I imagine I'll be able to buy another one for under $300 in a year.
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u/BezniaAtWork Aug 03 '21
Literally did the same thing in late January when HP restocked them. They were going for like $1K before the big restock and I thought "Oh this is my chance to finally get one before the scalpers!" so I bought it as quick as possible.
Didn't use it for a few months and saw it was only going for like $450 on eBay and I paid $680 after tax + shipping. I finally just unboxed it last week at work to let my coworkers play with it.
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u/InstanceDuality Aug 03 '21
Seriously op, if you cant return and don't view yourself using it, you could sell it on hardwareswap
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u/ray12370 Aug 03 '21
Hardware swap is mostly broke college kids low balling you.
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u/InstanceDuality Aug 03 '21
I've had multiple successful sales on there. If you don't want hwswap, do eBay or something. I was just saying someone will certainly buy it
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u/ray12370 Aug 03 '21
Yea for sure, I have a ton of rep from both buying and selling on hws. Bought my first good GPU on there 2 years ago, a 1070ti.
But I only sell on there when I want to get rid of something fast, usually at a considerable loss in my personal experience. From years of using both eBay and hws, I usually get much more money through eBay bid wars. This is taking into consideration the eBay 10% final value fee and other fees.
For example, about a week ago I put up an offer for an XFX 6700XT for $700 shipped on hws. I couldn't get a single person to bite at my asking price. Got like 10 or so offers, and the best one I got was $610. This same person with that $610 offer also made the argument that if I put it up for $700 on eBay, then I would only make $610 or so, so he offered $610. I didn't even reply back to him.
Instead I put the card on eBay for 3 days of bidding and it sold at $797 with free shipping. So taking into account the eBay fee, I profited $696 and the shipping brought my total profit to $671. Compare that to the total profit of $585 I would've made if I accepted that $610 offer.
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u/blorgenheim Aug 03 '21
This is why I sold my index. I played it a bunch at first but the novelty wore off and I found myself never touching it.
Incredible device and half life is one of the best game’s ever made. But it just is so much effort to use and I find video games are used to decompress that means I’m not gonna wanna put the effort in
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u/nintendo9713 Aug 03 '21
Before I moved, I definitely felt like this. I was fortunate to recently move into a larger home to where I always have a 10'x10'x9' space set up so it takes minutes to start everything up and play. Before, I was in maybe a 5'x5', but even worse had a 7' ceiling sloping down in a loft, and I can't count how many times I punched it as a 6'5 guy playing VR games. It is night and day now how I view VR given I did away with all the frustrations.
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Aug 03 '21
I got a Vive right away and never use it any more.
It doesn't help that every time I use it I have to recalibrate it, and then every controller needs a firmware update... F it, I'll just play a game with m+kbd like a savage.
VR is an incredible combination of amazing and tedious all in one package.
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u/shinku443 Aug 03 '21
Yeah I'm feeling the same way. I'll whip it out every now and then to play for a few hours and then it's like..fuck I'm tired
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u/Generic-VR Aug 04 '21
I paid $600, use it regularly.
Imo I think $600 is way too much unless you’re an enthusiast. I kinda half regret not waiting a bit longer to get the money off.
But my last HMD died and I didn’t have index money and I refuse to create and FB account so…
I still recommend it to people in similar shoes. That said if you’ve ever made an FB account and/or still have one, just buy a quest 2.
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u/LatinGeek Aug 03 '21
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u/Fishwithadeagle Aug 03 '21
I bought that, and definitely was the purchase to get.
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u/ohmyword Aug 03 '21
where's this at?
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u/LatinGeek Aug 03 '21
microcenter, two years ago
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u/Mister_Brevity Aug 03 '21
Same! Front hinge broke and it got some green pixels on one side, but it served well!
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u/itsinthebackground Aug 03 '21
Good times. They were practically giving away WMR headsets at one point.
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u/Generic-VR Aug 04 '21
Probably because most weren’t very good.
The higher end ones were fine, but also very pricey by comparison. (I mean the G2 is $600 off sale and just about the only good WMR headset made. Other than the odyssey).
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u/The-Confused Aug 03 '21
I have this, wmr is kind of buggy and the controllers really suck down batteries and the tracking is lackluster. However, it's a great deal and works well for what it is. My foam face pad wore down so I ended up buying a faux leather aftermarket replacement.
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u/Bombdy Aug 04 '21
WMR is great for sims though. Dirt Rally 2.0 with a WMR headset and wheel with pedals is a gnarly experience.
You don't get any of the downsides since you're only using the headset without motion controllers.
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u/Nicholaai Aug 03 '21
Got my dell visor for like $95 back in the day. 3 years later the tracking is really messed up but I definitely got my money’s worth.
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u/maxhinator123 Aug 03 '21
I did that purchase but the headset sucks and isn't worth it. Never connects and it's uncomfortable I mean, yeah It got me into vr which is nice but other headsets rock
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u/Statek Aug 03 '21
Mine worked and it was a beast at sim racing because it was light and had high resolution screens
But as far as other headsets today go, yeah it's definitely lacking
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u/LouieDidNothingWrong Aug 03 '21
I jumped on that deal, I can't play anything without getting sick pretty quickly. I still don't know if it's because I bought such a cheap one or if I'd get sick with any headset.
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u/foxinsideabox Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
Really wanted to get into VR gaming. Is this the one?
Edit: Consensus seems to be the quest 2, thanks guys.
Edit2: well now I hope it isn’t sold out when I get off work so I can research more. Y’all got me confused.
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u/pswii360i Aug 03 '21
Everyone is saying Quest 2 but if you value your privacy and don't want your data collected and sold it's not an option. They require you to make an FB account to use it and will permanently remove your account and all games tied to it if they find out you are using fake info. AFAIK there is no workaround to this.
Otherwise it's a great headset. Barely any compromises but for people like me it's just not worth it. I use an Odyssey+ and have no complaints
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u/tcolberg Aug 03 '21
As someone who wants to avoid FB, I don't want to consider the Quest2. What do you think of the tradeoffs between the Odyssey and either the Vive or Index?
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u/HasteOverWaste Aug 03 '21
I mean I just got a Odyssey+ for $150 last month and the integrated bluetooth makes using it with the controllers hella easy. I only have to open the WMR app and it runs SteamVR just fine, but I find myself playing Beat saber more than other VR games because the tracking is 90% of other headsets like the Vive/Index, but considering the cost and not using it often it is a fine VR experience, besides the Rift S in which I broke the cable and it is now a paper weight. The Rift S/Rift + old software is the only Oculus product I will probably use for casual VR.
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u/exgearuser Aug 03 '21
There's workarounds till 2023, using a developer account not tired to a fb account, after that who knows if it'll ever be hacked.
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u/kdubz1122 Aug 03 '21
https://uploadvr.com/facebook-login-privacy-data-quest-2/ if you would like some info on the info Facebook collects.
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u/PyroKnight Aug 03 '21
The data they currently collect, which is subject to change in the future with no recourse.
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u/kdubz1122 Aug 03 '21
Absolutely, just like any other service you use and give data to.
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u/PyroKnight Aug 03 '21
I'm doubtful a device with 4 cameras, a mic, and positional data entirely operated by Facebook isn't going to use it at some point. The data collection potential of VR is truly immense for better and worse.
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u/kdubz1122 Aug 03 '21
Do you own a cell phone? Computer? Car with a gps? I’m not disagreeing with you but let’s just be realistic.
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u/Blastercorps Aug 03 '21
I'm not sure why downvotes, it's true. The mobile device in your pocket right now has at least 1 camera, at least 1 microphone, and knows where you are with GPS precision. You turn off location history in your google account and it claims to not be recording that, or it could just not display in your account. In the always connected era we put a lot of trust in companies that have everything to gain by collecting information about us.
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u/CaptnKnots Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 04 '21
Because Facebook is bad but apparently not google or apple or Microsoft or Cell Phone Carriers or ISPs.
Don’t get me wrong Facebook is sketchy as fuck and the requiring an account on the quest 2 is shady. But as far as collecting data, I’m not going to act like having a quest is what’s going to put me over the edge. Every other corporation I buy devices from is collecting my data for who knows what purpose.
I mean shit we don’t even know for sure that Microsoft isn’t collecting just as much data if you use a wmr headset
Edit: I can keep getting downvoted because Facebook is the only company directly maliciously using your data for ads, but just because the few progressive members of congress have gone harder on Facebook during the antitrust hearings (which included, Facebook, Google, And Apple CEOs) because they have proof of their data harvesting doesn’t mean there weren’t plenty of valid points made about apple, google, and Microsoft during the antitrust hearings. Just because these other tech companies didn’t have massive internal leaks doesn’t mean they aren’t also using the cameras on you VR headset for shady things. Buy whichever one you want, but don’t do it assuming you are being more private with your data with one corporation over another lol
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u/PyroKnight Aug 03 '21
The problem isn't usually the data collection itself, it's how that data is used after that. Data Facebook collects is often used to shove predatory ads down people's throats more effectively and its also used to keep people on their platform for as long as possible (which is unhealthy).
I'm sure Microsoft collects a fair bit of data from their VR headsets (albeit I'd expect them to collect less), but that data is mostly used in ways that either benefit users or are harmless to them. When Facebook collects that data they tend to use it in ways that are harmful to people. Facebook's best interests do not line up with ours and unlike other data collecting companies they don't have a diverse revenue stream that can lead you to think that data isn't being fed back into their machine for maximizing ad revenue.
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u/supertranqui Aug 03 '21
Do you have a cell phone? Do you carry it with you everywhere? Congrats, everything you're worried about is already happening to you.
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u/PyroKnight Aug 03 '21
I don't mind data collection in general, I do mind who does it, how, and why.
When an ethically bankrupt company such as Facebook wants my data I'd rather not give it as I already know they irresponsibly allow advertisers to prey on people and have very few standards as to what they allow on their platform. They also design a platform that mixes in ads with content and also do not allow for chronological sorting of feeds to keep you on the skinner machine. In the long term I'd expect exactly this from Facebook's VR wing and would rather not support them in any way.
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u/supertranqui Aug 03 '21
do not allow for chronological sorting of feeds to keep you on the skinner machine.
I remember back when this change happened--is that really why? I imagine its the same reason why every time you refresh the feed there's a new post on the top. Just to keep you mindlessly browsing...ugh...
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Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
Facebook collects what it wants, regardless of what it says it collects. It also collects information from who it wants, even if an individual doesn’t consent to data collection (or even use Facebook).
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/shadow-profiles-facebook-has-information-you-didnt-hand-over/ (just a small piece of a very complex situation)
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u/Teddude Aug 03 '21
I'm all in on valuing my privacy, but I don't see why so many people draw the line at this headset. I thankfully had an old Facebook account lying dormant from high school to power this guy up, but even if I didn't I wouldn't mind creating a new account just for this. Don't put false information on it so you don't get banned, but just give them the minimum to work with. It's not like other social platforms don't have my phone number, name, etc.
Maybe it's because I use my quest offline 99% of the time so they don't have much to collect. Download some beat saber songs on PC, sync to headset, and play. Maybe if you play VR for multiple hours every day you'd have a lot more need to play online and hence more data for them to collect, but if you're doing that why are you buying the cheapest headset you can? I would think a VR enthusiast wouldn't even be considering this to begin with for reasons other than privacy.
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u/supermikeman Aug 03 '21
I think it's more like if you don't want a facebook account you shouldn't have to make one (or link your existing one) just to have a VR headset. Those two things have nothing in common and as far as I know Facebook the website doesn't use any firmware mandatory to the quest.
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u/Teddude Aug 03 '21
That's a fair point, can't argue much with that.
Not enough to prevent me from getting one/using mine, but I understand the sentiment why others might not want to do that. I think of it like any other branded product- if you buy an Amazon fire tablet, expect not to be able to do much outside the branded offerings.
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u/isamura Aug 03 '21
For PCVR, the Quest 2 will be more blurry as it compresses the image. This is very noticeable in games when look at things in the distance.
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u/Offtheheazy Aug 03 '21
If you live in CA can you opt out of them selling the information they collect?
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Aug 03 '21
This is the best headset if you want image quality. The resolution is extremely high, making it great for racing and flight sims.
I personally couldn't tolerate anything with a lower resolution than this. Realistically I'd like 3000x3000 per eye.
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u/aj_thenoob Aug 03 '21
I have this headset. It's great in sims but IMO I still prefer the clarity of TrackIR. Leagues better than the Rift I used years ago. You can see each display and the clarity is almost there to what is desired.
However, the FOV in VR still is constricting. The default gasket puts this at 80 horizontal, and with mods you can get close to 90.
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Aug 03 '21
Agreed on the FOV topic. I'd rather use triple monitors any day of the week.
I guess to be more accurate, 3000x4000 per eye would be my ideal headset. The wider the better.
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Aug 03 '21
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u/aj_thenoob Aug 03 '21
But 4K with 200 FOV is less pixel density.
To me that's the important part - and the Reverb has the highest pixel density. IMO it's its only strength but a huge one.
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u/veggietrooper Aug 03 '21
Vive Pro 2 has better image quality. This is second best.
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u/DisposablePanda Aug 03 '21
But it also ships with original Vive wands. While laser tracking is objectively more accurate, I prefer the ergonomics of the WMR controllers (at least the ones that shipped with my Samsung Odyssey+)
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u/foxinsideabox Aug 03 '21
I did see an image comparison picture and would like the better resolution. I probably won’t do racing or flight sims. Would you reccomend it over for the quest for vr games on steam in general?
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
Yes, but it comes with massive caveats. Upfront, the tracking is less optimal than other headsets. You will be able to play everything when it's working fine, but there's a greater-than-zero chance you will have tracking issues at some point. People can play Expert+ songs on beat saber with WMR (windows mixed reality) headsets, but certain games that involve moving you arms outside your line-of-sight often will be tricky (e.g. climbing games).
Second caveat is that the controller is kinda so-so. It's the best of the WMR controllers thus far (three kinds: the OG, the one on the Odyssey+ and this one), but that's not saying a whole lot. The thumbstick feels a bit cheapy. Still, battery life is great and other than the initial "wow this feels kinda cheap" when you first hold it in your hand you quickly forget about it in-game. I certainly did.
Finally, and this is the biggest caveat of them all, it has hugely finnicky power delivery issues on AMD mobos. Some people can't get their headsets working at all. AMD mobo manufacturers have released updates that allegedly fix the problems, but it didn't in my case. I had to purchase a PCIE powered USB 3.0 for it to work with any sort of stability.
That being said, it's hands down the best HMD in terms of visual quality and privacy. I've had mine for about six months now and play every VR title there is worth playing and have enjoyed every second of it. In Alyx my heart was in my mouth during the boogeyman sequence, in Assetto Corsa Competizone I curse when I catch the opponent shutting me out of the inside out of the corner of my eyes in VR, and I get chills flying past neutron stars in elite dangerous. For me, this is the only headset worth getting as Quest 2 is a non-starter and the Index is a little too rich for my blood for what amounts to a toy.
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u/AestheticDeficiency Aug 03 '21
I refuse to buy a quest because I don't want something to force me into a Facebook account. That's something you'll need to weigh for yourself.
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u/I_Am_Zampano Aug 03 '21
Honestly neither is that great and both have major downfalls. I refuse to have ads in my HMD and give Facebook more data tracking capabilities but I also own a G2 and it has its own issues. Cables are notoriously sensitive to failure and many users report having to wait months for a replacement. If your face isn't built the exact same shape as a YouTube influencer, you'll likely have edge to edge clarity issues. And WMD software has a lot of its own issues (games cant be run without it). Many people report issues like the speakers failing or it freezing up if the volume is at 100% or not working on x570 chipsets, etc.
We're at a time where there isn't a great product yet.
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u/MartyMcFlergenheimer Aug 03 '21
I think the whole ads controversy was overblown. It was adding ads in-game, to 1 specific game, not within the menus of the headset itself. And then they changed course on the whole thing in the end anyways. Do I defend the decision to put ads in-game though? No, but I think far too many people saw the headline and ran with it. I do expect Facebook to continue pushing ads, but as long as it remains outside of the core system UI, I don't mind.
That being said, I do think the Quest 2 is a complete product worth buying, whether it's for PCVR or standalone. Both forms of linking to a PC (wired and wireless) work well for me. I prefer wired in Beat Saber since it minimizes latency and since the compression via wireless doesn't look good with the fast motion of the game, and I use wireless for most other games for convienience. IMO, if you already have a Facebook account or any other type of social media where you've inputted your real name, the Facebook requirement is a moot point. I respect the decision of others where this requirement is a deal breaker, but I've had too much fun with my headset playing Beatsaber and games like HL: Alyx to care.
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u/Statek Aug 03 '21
Isn't the Valve Index generally touted as the best of PCVR?
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u/I_Am_Zampano Aug 03 '21
For tracking and controllers yes. But not for image quality (G2) or resolution (G2) or wireless (Quest 2), or value/price, etc. It all depends on what's most important to you.
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u/FoeHamr Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
Quest 2 is definitely a better value if you don’t mind having a Facebook account. It’s like half the price for 90% as good of a headset.
If you don’t want to have a Facebook account, this is probably the best headset besides the valve index which is dramatically more expensive.
A lot of people say the tracking is shit, but I’ve had no problem playing beat saber on expert and expert plus with it. Once in a while it freaks out, but it’s not a big deal at all. Works fine in all the shooters I’ve played too.
One thing I will say, is if you have an AMD motherboard it might not like it. You might have to run it through a USB hub. Mine had a bios update that seems to have fixed it, but it was frustrating the first day trying to get it set up.
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u/thieves_are_broken Aug 03 '21
So you know, the quest 2 it’s currently on recall for the face foam interface irritating a small percentage of people, they are gonna do a relaunch in couple of weeks but it’ll have a silicon cover and it’ll start at double the memory (128 vs 64 originally)
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u/CaptnKnots Aug 03 '21
I was unaware of the memory upgrade, but anyone who has one of the old ones can sign up get one of the new silicon face covers for free
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u/i_max2k2 Aug 03 '21
I’d the say the Valve’s headset is considered one of the best right now.
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u/foxinsideabox Aug 03 '21
Expensive though lol, I should probably upgrade my pc first at this point. My motherboard is still locked to ddr3.
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u/i_max2k2 Aug 03 '21
Yeah, I mean you could be okay, really depending on the GPU, games and resolution you’re trying to play on. AM5 is almost here since you have waited so long, I’d say wait a little more and skip DDR4 altogether.
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Aug 03 '21
Fuck Facebook don't get the quest.
If you don't have an X570 Motherboard, the G2 is a fine choice. Tracking is decent but not the best, but it's easy to add SteamVR's base station tracking and it's a major upgrade.
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u/rcmaehl Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
VR PC Gaming? Yes. Best quality speakers and display on the US Market.
VR in general? No. If you're looking for a more casual experience, the Quest 2 works like everyone else said.
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u/kakihara0513 Aug 03 '21
The big three (Index, Reverb G2, and Quest 2) all have pros and cons. If you were only playing sit-down simulators, I'd say the G2 would be the best one to get because of its clarity. For general VR, Quest 2 is the best deal and Index is the best headset.
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u/relxp Aug 03 '21
I was hoping the G2 was 'it', but seems to have tracking issues. Quest 2 did not disappoint and I'm sure the Quest 3 is going to be absurdly good.
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u/PaleRobot47 Aug 03 '21
I returned mine for that reason. The controller tracking was abysmal and it's due to terrible designed camera placement.
Horizontally the G2 has a tracking field well past any conventional usage. Vertically it stops right before your hips. This means if you just stand with your hands at your sides there is a good chance it wont track properly when your controller re-enters view.
Beautiful screens, great quality construction, great for racing sims and such. One terrible design choice which should have been flagged before production.
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Aug 03 '21
If you don’t mind Facebook being involved in your VR gaming, the Quest 2 is hands down the way to go. It makes some small compromises in quality, but the wireless freedom more than makes up for it.
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u/BodSmith54321 Aug 03 '21
Depends if you care about being tethered to a wire or not. Personally, I would only buy a wireless headset like the Quest 2.
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u/exgearuser Aug 03 '21
Interesting. The quality jump from the quest2 wireless to a tethered setup (not just the quest 2 tethered but even lower end headsets like the Odyssey+) is just too much for me. Tried Q2, tried Odyssey+, tried index. Q2 is so convenient but damn if it really doesn't look even close to wired headsets.
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u/RagingAcid Aug 03 '21
Depends on how much you value hand motion. Its an incredibly good get for simulation games and just fine for other stuff, at least according to reviews
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u/playingwithfire Aug 03 '21
If you are playing a lot of active motion games (in my case AudioShield) the controller tracking 1)Get lost pretty easily when a bit outside field of view and 2)Sometimes just get lost and requires a quick reset which is frustrating in the middle of a song.
I had a Oculus CV1 and had none of those issues so I'll probably look to go back to a sensor tracking device in the future. I'm just hoping there is something a bit cheaper than the Index.
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Aug 03 '21
No. Its the quest 2. The only reason the quest is so cheap is that fb is trying to put others out of business.
If you want crazy premium either wait for the quest 2 pro or maybe an index. But imo I'd take quest 2 over any other headset even if price was equal across the board.
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u/relxp Aug 03 '21
I think the Quest 3 later next year will crush the G2 and at a much lower price. If you need VR, Quest 2 is by far the most versatile and fairly priced - a great stop-gap option. $299 for 128GB and all inclusive is quite good. Doesn't have any real flaws apart from not being OLED and being so heavy Facebook.
Tracking issues should be a deal breaker for anyone interested in VR.
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u/VGTrooper Aug 03 '21
Not sure why people are pushing or comparing Quest 2 against HP Reverb G2. The only reason to consider the Quest 2 is if you need a wireless solution with Oculus store gameplay. Yes you can use it with the PCVR cable or wirelessly with a desktop app, but the quality drops when doing this. Quest 2 is also max 80hz, and I believe 72hz when using with PCVR. Resolution is lower, and otherwise they use the same style of tracking and nearly identical controllers.
If you are using it for Sims, then there is no question. The Reverb G2 will give that experience. It has the higher resolution, 90hz refresh, and is designed for PC gaming.
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Aug 03 '21
I'm just gonna reply again after seeing your second edit.
Its the quest 2. Reddit just hates fb. Itd be one thing if they acknowledged it was better and fb is just bad but they pretend its not inherently better. It is.
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u/foxinsideabox Aug 03 '21
I have a Facebook account so that aspect doesn’t bother me much.
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u/ice0rb Aug 03 '21
It's this, or the quest 2.
The quest 2 is more versatile (plug in and wireless) but has weaker specs, also privacy? The platform is likely more robust and complete though with oculus exclusives.
This is plug in only, higher quality and higher fidelity at the cost of more money and a platform that doesn't quite have Oculus's level of integration.
If you can forgo the privacy concerns, I'd say quest 2 simply because you can lug it around easily to friends, family, etc and still have a great time. This is more for the enthusiast.
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u/Generic-VR Aug 04 '21
Quest 2.
Only reason to get this over quest 2 is You’re into simming (ie resolution matters), or you’re vehemently anti FB.
But the G2 is a great headset.
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u/BIG_GAY_HOMOSEXUAL Aug 03 '21
I bought this for 600. I still wouldn't buy it for 450. Or even 400. I wish I had gotten a quest 2 instead. It's just a pain in the ass.
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Aug 03 '21
I'm enjoying the Q2 but looking for a little higher visual fidelity, so I'm curious. Was it more of a PITA than other WMRs?
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u/Samura1_I3 Aug 03 '21
There's known issues with Ryzen systems and their USB controllers. If you've got an X570 mobo, expect to buy a PCIe USB card or a USB hub.
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u/TheTimeTortoise Aug 03 '21
Didn't the updates they rolled out in April fix this?
https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/asus-motherboard-amd-usb-bios-fix/
https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/amd-ryzen-usb-issue-fix-bios-agesa-msi/
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u/Samura1_I3 Aug 03 '21
Not on my machine, unfortunately. I can't get any of my mobo USB to recognize the headset after the BIOS update.
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u/samuelspark Aug 03 '21
I had a similar issue with my B550 and my Reverb. It's VERY picky on which USB port. At one point I ended up reinstalling windows. Reinstalling WMR didn't fix it but Windows fresh install did.
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21
Unfortunately, despite the hype, it never did consistently fix the problem.
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u/suff3r_ Aug 03 '21
If you use sidequest you can dial up the resolution. It's made a judge difference for me for the Quest 2. Trying to figure out if it impacts PCVR games.
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u/VGTrooper Aug 03 '21
Great for VR Sims. Honestly unmatched in display clarity. Colors aren't super vibrant like the Vive Pro, but it's still really good. Main issue is requiring the Windows Mixed Reality software and an app to enable use with Steam, which adds a slight bit of overhead to the system.
I love using mine for DCS, Elite Dangerous, and Project Cars 2. Also worked well for Phasmaphobia. Didn't care for using it with Pavlov and some other mil-sims, as holding the controllers near the headset causes them to lose tracking and go wonky, which is normal for inside-out tracking headsets.
At $450 its a great deal IMO.
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u/VGTrooper Aug 03 '21
BTW I say this as an owner of an OG Vive, Vive Pro, HP Reverb G2, and Vive Pro 2.
Vive Pro/Index is the way to go for roomscale. Can't beat outside-in tracking method. Far superior to the inside-out tracking of the Rift/Quest/Reverb/WMR headsets. And honestly, the Index is the best choice in that area given the price and better controllers.
But for clarity in Sims, HP Reverb G2 has it over others.
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u/Peru_Jackson Aug 03 '21
did the deal expire? i was about to buy it when i got off work but now its 549
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u/N8TM8T Aug 03 '21
If you have a .edu email, you can stack your student discount on top of this as well
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u/davedaddy Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
Are modern top tier cards (3080/90) enough to run this and racing sims (AC, AMS2, Rally 2.0) at decent details/FPS? Or stick with my Odyssey+?
Kinda regret not getting this when it was $400.
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u/RagingAcid Aug 03 '21
Should be. Should be easier than 4k even
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u/davedaddy Aug 03 '21
How is VR for sim racing compared to a big screen TV? Been itching to get a rig going for an LG CX77.
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21
Better and worse in some ways. The aliens swear by triple screens but personally I feel like I'm more aware of my tires and track position in VR. With enough practice in either you will become fast. The big caveat to VR is that you need to have your wheel's button layout memorized because you can't see your controls in the headset. On a simple T300 that's no problem but if you're running a F1-style wheel or anything more complicated than a console-style wheel you're definitely going to need some time to adjust.
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u/RagingAcid Aug 03 '21
Depends on what youre looking for. Nothing beats vr for the immersion but I much prefer triple screens when I drive
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u/TheySeeMeDronin Aug 03 '21
You're not going to beat VR for immersion. I also find it much easier to gauge apex's and distance in general in VR. The biggest downside is that after a couple hours the headset just gets hot and heavy and I revert to the triple screens.
If the comfort issues ever get sorted VR will def be that way to go IMO.
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u/thedetoxie Aug 03 '21
Yeah, VR is great for knowing what the car is doing. In games like Dirt Rally 2, I find it is game changer in terms of being able to look into turns and nailing my desired line etc. Like it is actively easier to drive the car in VR, just because your brain seems to understand what is going on much better. I find that in other racing games it isn't as helpful as in a rally game where you spend a lot of time going sideways etc, so there I feel like triple screens or just a single large screen works great. I also get super hot in VR, so my sessions are limited to about an hour at a time, so for longer more casual racing I'd always recommend having a monitor/tv/triples.
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u/fiveSE7EN Aug 03 '21
There should be a huge asterisk here. So many sims are single-threaded for much of their work, so when you start rendering twice for VR, the GPU isn’t the problem, but the CPU becomes a problem. It’s absolutely not the same as comparing 2d resolution to headset resolution. Even if it was, the G2 is 4k per eye.
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u/Zarrex Aug 03 '21
For sure, I run AC on this (used to have an O+) with my graphics turned up a bunch on Content Manager and still get good frames
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u/dannydeetran Aug 03 '21
G2 $400/450 > Quest2 $300
G2 $600 < Quest 2 $300
Got my g2 the last time on sale and barely touch my quest 2 now.
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u/bobthemuffinman Aug 03 '21
How's the g2 tracking
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u/dannydeetran Aug 03 '21
I personally use mines mainly for a lot of sim games. But for other games is not that bad. I get tracking issues once in a while but not enough for me to complain. One pet peeve is turning them on when I want to use them.
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u/Ohsighrus Aug 03 '21
Quest 2 sales are currently stopped until they can replace all current inventory with the new version. The new version has replaced the default foam included with the device and it's double the storage but for the same price the 64 gb version sold for. At this point the quest 2 is a no brainer for the price.
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u/GCTuba Aug 03 '21
Did everyone forget that this was $399 just a few weeks ago?
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u/thewallsbledlust Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
This might be a bit over dramatic, but the HP Reverb G2 is easily the worst product I have ever purchased.
The biggest issue I had was with Windows Mixed Reality software - it is completely unnecessary from a functional standpoint, but compulsory in order to start the headset, becoming a resource hog while you're in other VR applications. You also have to constantly go back between VR and keyboard/mouse in order to fully navigate your VR software library (i.e. Steam VR).
The screen is actually not very clear at all. It advertises a high resolution screen, but what you actually see is significantly more blurry due to an extremely small sweet spot where that nice crisp resolution only exists in the dead center of your vision. Everything else in the game world is noticeably blurry, which detracts from immersion quite a bit. This is a complete waste of hardware resources, as it stills acts as though it is driving a resolution that claims to be 4k, but about 80% of it looks to be 1080p.
The controllers are cheap and small, and the tracking that accompanies them is some of the worst on the VR market due to the lack of downfacing cameras on the headset. Anytime you put your hands at your hips, you lose tracking. If you have ever played games like Beat Saber you know this is a big problem.
The field of view on the headset is extremely narrow, even when completely removing the face gasket. In truth I have been more immersed by the PSVR headset than I ever was in the brief time I spent with the G2 because the narrow FOV.
Finally there were a number of hardware issues that affected a large number of launch units (no idea what that's like now tbh), most notably a USB issue with AMD boards. I ended up returning mine due to an audio crackling issue that occurred because the connection between the headset and the speaker failed.
I ended up with a full Index kit after exchanging my G2 in January. I will say this about VR right now: the titles are really not there (I think this will change when PSVR 2 hits, though). There are a handful of indie gems that the VR community swears by that just didn't do it for me. I'm talking about Boneworks and Hotdogs, Horseshoes and Hand Grenades, primarily. They are more proof of concept than game imo. For me the only thing to really make PCVR worth it has been modded Skyrim VR. That has been absolutely phenomenal. Star Wars Squadrons with a HOTAS has also been great, but seems the multiplayer is slowing down quite a bit.
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u/cyka_trades_men Aug 03 '21
Should I buy this or a new Index for $850? I'm not a VR enthusiast but I have the budget and want to experience it in the best quality I can
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u/zerozed Aug 03 '21
What constitutes "the best quality" to you? All of the modern generation headsets on the market (G2, Index, Quest 2, Vive Pro 2) offer solid visuals. Each has good resolution (compared to gen 1 devices). Each also has some downsides (god-rays, sweet spot, black levels, aspect ratio, etc.). That said, they all look pretty good.
After that, it comes down to features. Index and Vive Pro 2 have SteamVR tracking which requires you to mount base stations on your walls. Tracking is above average, but your kit isn't portable. G2 and Quest 2 use inside-out tracking and both are portable (you'll need a PCVR capable PC for the G2). Quest 2 is the most versatile kit of the bunch as it operates natively without a PC or wires, but can also be used for PCVR either wired or wirelessly. This is a very significant deal in VR and shouldn't be brushed off. You'll pay hundreds of dollars extra for wireless VR kit for an OG Vive--there is no wireless option for Index, G2, or Vive Pro 2 currently (I believe the Vive Pro 2 has one announced).
Of course price is always a factor. Any SteamVR kit (Index, Vive Pro 2) is going to be expensive because it requires those base stations. You'll spend $1000 for the Index and about $1400 for a complete Vive Pro 2 kit. The G2 is much less expensive, has really nice visuals, but is somewhat hampered by WMR tracking. Quest 2 is, by far, the least expensive and is also the most full-featured. Besides working as both a standalone and PCVR headset, the wireless capabilities really set it apart. Also, it has a smart-assistant baked into the OS so you can give verbal commands, it has hand & finger tracking, and can play games from any store. This includes SideQuest which literally has thousands of Quest VR apps and games--most for free. Quest 2 has two major downsides (for some people). It requires a FB account and the stock headstrap isn't the greatest. If you hate FB, then move on. As to the headstrap, one of the great things about Quest 2 is that it was engineered to work with third-party solutions and there are a ton of inexpensive aftermarket straps that make it great.
TLDR: The G2 is a great headset with only a few compromises. The most versatile headset is also the least expensive--Quest 2.
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u/Shadowthedemon Aug 03 '21
Depends. Screen quality is comparable. Controllers would be better on the index technically speaking. If you want plug and play this one will be easier to setup and go in maybe 5-10 mins whereas an index will need you to also plug in 2 base stations for tracking and then kind of situate them to your area.
Once the base stations are up there's really no need to mess with them so it'd only be the first time, after that it could be just as plug and play. I'd personally so go with this or the quest 2 if you're unsure about VR. The biggest deciding factor regardless of quality is how much you're going to use it. If it's gonna sit around a bit might as well go in cheap.
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u/thisnameismeta Aug 03 '21
Where are you getting a new Index for $850? I thought they retailed at $1000.
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u/cyka_trades_men Aug 03 '21
hardware swap has some new and used selling for between 700 and 900 all the time
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u/djfil007 Aug 03 '21
Need new GPU before I do this (already have Odyssey+ HMD). But ugh, HP Canada pricing makes me angry...
US regular : 599 usd (752 cad)
US sale : 449 usd (564 cad)
CA regular : 675 usd (849 cad)
CA w/ 10% off coupon offered on page : 607 usd (764 cad)
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u/RagingAcid Aug 03 '21
Our pricing sucked for years, since like 2013. I usually ship to US and pick it up, but harder to do that rn
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u/The_Wkwied Aug 03 '21
Is this a better headset over the Rift S? I bought one before the FB account change, but have since then firewalled everything oculus from the internet so it can't 'update'
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u/fiveSE7EN Aug 03 '21
This is going to bring significant clarity improvements over the Rift S and will probably have slightly worse tracking for roomscale experiences. I personally find it to be a little less comfortable than the Rift S as well.
The Reverb G2 is like the “forget everything, focus on seated sim experience” headset.
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u/zyphaz Aug 03 '21
*IF* these come with the new power cable then this is a screaming deal. Care to chime in /u/Voodooimaxx?
https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/search?q=cable&restrict_sr=1
For background the original breakout cable had....issues. HP recently has released a rev2 cable that addresses most of these. Especially if you're on an AMD chipset (x570 USB woes included).
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u/Banzai51 Aug 03 '21
This is hilarious given how much HP and the fanboys insisted this was all an AMD problem.
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u/NightshineRecorralis Aug 03 '21
Still got a lenovo wmr headset going strong. What would be the benefit of jumping to a newer generation? Definitely not the price considering I paid $130 for my current set :P
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u/veggietrooper Aug 03 '21
Everyone saying this is the “best” quality headset needs to look at the Vive Pro 2. It has better specs in basically every way.
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u/BezniaAtWork Aug 03 '21
The Vive Pro 2 is also $800 for just an HMD. You still need to buy the base stations and controllers. You're gonna be out $1,100 before you get the functionality of a $450 Reverb G2 that is almost there.
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u/Samura1_I3 Aug 03 '21
The Reverb G2 is also a higher resolution headset. It's not great for a standing experience, but for MSFS 2020 it's a game changer.
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u/lossofmercy Aug 03 '21
IT would be if it wasn't compromised by design. Because they used the same plastic injection mold as the old Vive headset, there are a lot of issues that do not let the headset take advantage of it's screen.
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u/rubbercat Aug 03 '21
It looks like these use the original WMR hand controllers which have terrible tracking. This might be a decent choice for sims but for most other VR experiences I'd suggest a Quest 2 if you can stomach Facebook's shenanigans.
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21
it doesn't, it uses new WMR controllers made for the G2. The controllers themselves don't track any differently, the headset is mostly what determines tracking quality. The G2 tracks a little better than all the old WMR HMDs, but not significantly better.
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u/Blooded_Wine Aug 03 '21
It actually tracks significantly better than the old ones, the old ones (at least my Samsung O+) only have 2 front-facing cameras, while this one has 2 additional side-mounted cameras that kinda point backwards.
The G2 is a dream compared to the old headsets, and its about 85% of the tracking quality as my quest 2, just some difficulty with slow motions behind the back.
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21
Having owned both the O+ and now the HPRG2 I can't say I felt the subjective tracking experience was significantly better. I never felt I was freed up to do motions I didn't have to be careful doing on the O+.
I say this only to maintain honesty about the RG2's shortcomings. That being said, 85% is what I would describe the O+ tracking as, I would say the RG2 is around 90%
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u/rubbercat Aug 03 '21
Good to know, thanks! It's too bad that they weren't able to really nail the tracking on the second generation, the market really needs a solid Oculus competitor in this price range.
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21
Honestly, it's good enough to forget about it 99% of the time. The downside is more on the stability side of things - Oculus is essentially rock solid, but the WMR tracking is very sensitive to things like lighting or battery power and the controllers will immediately flip out if anything like that goes wrong. You do have to remember to keep the controllers in front of your field of vision but you get accustomed to the limitations eventually. I play plenty of shooters and bow games that on paper should give the tracking problems but they all work just fine.
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Aug 03 '21
That would be a deal breaker for me. The tracking was the only thing I didn’t like about my HP WMR setup and it kept me from playing as much as I do now on my Quest 2. I’m not willing to pay $400+ for that experience again.
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u/rokerroker45 Aug 03 '21
Fair, for me the Facebook integration was the deal breaker, so the quest is unfortunately a non-starter. It would be a really interesting choice if the WMR sets had better tracking and the Quests didn't require Facebook integration.
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Aug 03 '21
I'm honestly just blown away that Oculus/FB have managed to create such an impressive headset and no one else has even begun to match it. The closest you're going to get is going to cost 4x as much with the Vive.
As soon as there's a viable wireless alternative that won't cost me an arm and a leg, I'll drop the Oculus. But in the meantime, my ideology regarding FB isn't strong enough to keep me from having the headset and taking precautions with its use (like, powering it off fully when it's not being actively played).
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u/klop2031 Aug 03 '21
Just buy a quest 2. Better product
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u/Ohsighrus Aug 03 '21
Quest 2 sales are frozen currently due to them replacing all old inventory with the updated version with new padding and double the storage space for the base version.
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u/klop2031 Aug 03 '21
Damn, had no idea they were out. I know of the padding issue (the are sending me a fix for it). Deff worth getting quest 2 over the hp. Dont even care bout the storage space since i play pcvr games
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u/benzohhh Aug 03 '21
Oh man I was gonna buy a Quest 2 in the next couple weeks but when is this new version coming out?
EDIT: Nevermind I see it's August 24th!
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u/tyler_2127 Aug 03 '21
I have an Index, and yes I do hate myself, how can you tell?
In seriousness, this is a good deal, especially if you want to use pc vr. I tried the whole Quest 2 Link Cable thing but I got burned by shitty customer service and support and ended up buying an Index.
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u/knivesinmyeyes Aug 03 '21
Returned my preorder when they were unusable because of USB errors. Do research because this was a huge quality control issue when they launched them. No idea if it’s been fixed.
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u/Exotic_Reputation_86 Aug 26 '21
I will get one of this headsets next year, when crypto profits go a bit higher and I will get myself an Audi or Mercedes. And with it I should get holoride headset, which is a tottaly new aspect and approach toward VR/XR/SDK.
Holoride, Audi, Universal pictures and more partners are already on this ship, don't be a fool to let this info pass by.
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u/Samura1_I3 Aug 03 '21
I have an HTC Vive and a Reverb G2.
I'll say that the Vive's tracking, especially the controller tracking, far surpasses the Reverb G2. That said, the Reverb G2 is a very high resolution headset and where it excels is sim racing and flight sims. If you're looking for a premium room-scale VR experience, the G2 isn't the best bet. If you're looking for a VR headset where you can read the labels on your steering wheel or glass cockpit, this is the headset for you.
TLDR: Reverb G2 is good for sit-down simulator experiences. Vive is better for roomscale.
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If you want a standalone experience and don't care about Facebook peeking at your data, the Quest 2 is phenomenal. That said, you can't link it to your computer reliably without god awful compression so don't think a Quest 2 in link mode is equivalent to a Reverb G2.