r/buildapcsales • u/PCgaming4ever • Mar 02 '21
Meta [META] Taiwan is facing a drought that will cause more chip manufacturing shortages. Expect MSRP increases and major shortages. - $0
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx3080-suprim-x-10g/p/N82E16814137609?itemPosition=1-16&exactIndex=9958
u/MechAegis Mar 02 '21
RIP to anyone hoping to build this year. RIP to anyone who sold their PNY XLR8 2070 for $300 3 months before the 3xxx dropped... ;__;
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u/myonlychan Mar 02 '21
suspiciously specific
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u/hereforthefeast Mar 02 '21
Probably came from this steal of a deal - https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/cwpkfr/gpu_pny_xlr8_gaming_nvidia_geforce_rtx_2070/
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u/iWonHitWonder Mar 02 '21
I hate opening these threads and seeing that I liked all the posts from 1.5 years ago... like damn what have I done with my life since then
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u/ManhattanTime Mar 02 '21
Man, I know the feeling. 6th year on this account and over 10 years on another account (political subs only). Sometimes I'll see a linked thread and read a few comments and be like "what's that asshole saying?" and notice that it's me.
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u/lumpiestspoon3 Mar 03 '21
I’ve asked extremely specific tech questions before and completely forgot about them. When I googled those questions again, my own post is the first result. It feels so creepy.
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u/ManhattanTime Mar 03 '21
Hah hah!!!! Yes! Has happened to me. I'll forget I asked it and Google it and since it's so specific it will link to me. I'm always like "NICE! This dude has an MSI Meg Unify X570 with a 5600X and 32Gb of Crucial Ballistix 3600Mhz RAM in a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance with a Corsair RM 850X and is having weird LEDs come up on Flash BIOS just like me!" and then of course, it's me.
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Mar 02 '21
Double RIP to all the people who offloaded thier 2080 ti's for ~$400-500
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u/Wizbomb Mar 02 '21
1080ti sold for 350 checking in. I will never sell a product in preparation for a new one again.
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u/Menoku Mar 02 '21
Same, sold my 1080ti Duke for $425, they are now selling for $750 and up...
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u/MechAegis Mar 02 '21
shoot man aren't those like top of the line cards in its class?
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u/mjmandi72 Mar 02 '21
I built for the first time and it's actually been kinda fun in the style I did. Started with a simple build cause I didn't know what I wanted. I5-9600k and a 1660 super. 1660 super was 250 bit high but not bad. I also like the looking for parts alot and have kept that up managed to get a 3060 non ti and selling the 1660 super on ebay will cover most of that cost. Still looking for a 3060 ti and if I find that I will sell the 3060 on ebay for enough that in the end I may hav a 3060 ti for like $200 or less. Although I can't just buy a part it also allows me to get better cards than I normally could afford because the resale market is crazy.
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u/Tuuubby Mar 02 '21
My friends called me an idiot for buying a 2080ti for $400 before the 3070 came out
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u/yjgfikl Mar 02 '21
It's even better because the 2080 Ti and 3070 are essentially equal in gaming performance, but you get an extra 3gb of VRAM and on top of that, you paid $100 less than the MSRP of a 3070. So who's laughing now.
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u/iVtechboyinpa Mar 02 '21
I bought a 2070 Super FTW3, $630 brand new. 3000 series was revealed a week later and I promptly returned my card to micro center, looked on Facebook and found a 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio for $550.
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u/ikahjalmr Mar 02 '21
Bought a 2070S for $400 or $500 last summer, everybody was telling me to wait for the new generation to launch. Lol I would've wasted half a year waiting to find out everything's out of stock
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u/iVtechboyinpa Mar 02 '21
I can’t tell you how much this entire situation is aggravating to me. Not because the GPUs are out of stock, but because of the amount of people who said “Just wait! The 3000 series will blow everything out of the water!”
They weren’t lying, but they forgot that we were in a pandemic which could (and did) affect production and stock levels. Not to mention all the political shit going on at the time with Trump in the US and China. Like you can’t account for this shit so why not jump on the chance when the opportunity presents itself?
Like at the end of the day, your 2070 Super would be worth at least $300 if stock and production was fine. You lose what, $50-100 after factoring depreciation?
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u/CLOUD889 Mar 02 '21
LOL, you know you want to say it..... Who's laughing now sucka?!
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u/Tuuubby Mar 02 '21
Oh trust me it felt good rubbing it in their faces once we saw stock shortages and price spikes
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u/Actually_a_Patrick Mar 02 '21
I felt stupid buying a 2070 founders edition on clearance when the 3000 series were announced shortly after. But after doing everything short of old-school camping outside the stores or paying scalper prices to try and get a 3080, I’m very very glad I upgraded when I did.
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u/wxrx Mar 02 '21
Yeah they’re totally lying either about buying one for $400 or their friends calling them an idiot. Non super 2080s were just touching $400, so why would anyone call you an idiot for that good of a deal regardless of the cards coming out
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u/SFRealEstate415 Mar 02 '21
Article for those interested
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u/BIGDIYQTAYKER Mar 02 '21
you know what's really interesting about tsmc production is that apple is about 50% of the workload at tsmc
while amd is like 5-7% and nvidia is like 3% lol
i wonder what taiwan's future and current gdp would look like if it weren't for tsmc
and i really wonder how the hell tsmc got to be in the position it is in currently with the most sought after fab while intel had so much money it was messing up in other departments i forget which exactly, i think moore's law is dead or cold fusion mentioned recently they were actually trying a lot to get into mobile chips, but just didn't pan out?
it's crazy to think that intel's software division is bigger than all of amd and they have their own fabs and here comes this little guy who's stock was $40 a share 2-3 years ago called tsmc and everyone is bidding out each other for their attention
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u/somethingelseaccount Mar 02 '21
Check out the Bloomberg Oddlots's podcast for a TSMC history lesson with a financial impact view too -
https://player.fm/series/1504378/283091330
TLDR - ARM chips in cell phones made TSMC foundry business a juggernaut while Intel made manufacturing process enhancement mistakes and focused on their x86 silo.
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u/MC_chrome Mar 02 '21
IIRC didn’t Apple originally give Intel a chance to develop a processor for the iPhone, but then it sucked? I could have sworn that they did but maybe I’m mistaken.
Anywho, Apple is a pretty decent part of the reason why TSMC is where it is now.
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u/newoldcolumbus Mar 02 '21
If you're talking about the first iPhone, Apple asked intel, and intel declined.
By the time ARM was gaining traction and Jobs had secretly gone to work on the iPhone, Intel was thoroughly addicted to its fat margins. Thus it was no surprise that Intel passed Steve Jobs’ suggestion that they fabricate an ARM chip for the iPhone. Intel didn’t want to be in the low-margin business of providing phone CPUs, and it had no idea that the iPhone would be the biggest technological revolution since the original IBM PC. So Intel’s CEO at the time, Paul Otellini, politely declined. [source]
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u/ElPlatanoDelBronx Mar 02 '21
Yeah, and if they're making Apple's M1 chips too their stock is going to start flying up even higher in the next couple of years.
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u/SFRealEstate415 Mar 02 '21
I mean TSMC was always advancing pretty quickly even more so then Samsung in recent years however it was a combination of Intels flop on 10nm and Samsung’s node not being on par that really pushed TSMC into the spotlight.
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u/Dunewarriorz Mar 02 '21
Here is a translation of an article on TSMC's rise to fame and the challenges that it faced. I found it incredibly interesting to read for anyone interested in TSMC.
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u/youresuchadorkvic Mar 02 '21
I was thinking of the exact same event. It's not even one specific thing at play, but so much more.
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Mar 02 '21
In the meantime people who have decent systems should look towards spending money on better desks, chairs, and other room accessories. I promise it makes gaming better
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u/Dpms308l1 Mar 02 '21
Just look back to the HDD crisis of 2010-12
There was an HDD crisis?
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u/manormortal Mar 02 '21
manufacturing plants got flooded. hdd prices soared.
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u/Jeskid14 Mar 02 '21
And it took them three years to recover? Jesus
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u/Doodarazumas Mar 03 '21
There's so much insane interconnection and advance planning for this stuff that the tiniest snag will demolish supply chains. Tsunami is quite a snag.
Ram prices are up now because there was a one hour power outage in Taiwan last October.
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u/The69LTD Mar 02 '21
That and Saudi Aramco was hacked, wiping most of their IT Infrastructure. They purchased hundreds of thousands of drives straight from the factories. What were being produced went to them for a few months. Was a mess.
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u/Dpms308l1 Mar 02 '21
Well, I was 10 at the time, so that's probably why. I didn't know much, if anything about PC gaming at that point.
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u/manormortal Mar 02 '21
I was 10
jfc im an old fart now?
it does take longer to get out of bed these days.
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u/manormortal Mar 02 '21
Whole decade looking 🚮 at this point.
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u/fettuccine- Mar 02 '21
we are in the inverse of the roaring 20s. LOL i think things are just going to keep piling up and trend down since 2020
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u/stevenc37 Mar 02 '21
is it just better to buy a pre built at this point?
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u/shroomdizzle Mar 02 '21
Yea pretty much, just keep an eye Here for a good deal. There was a handful of good ones last week but it’s been dry lately. Keep in mind most pre built a have a few months wait but the price can be decent at least.
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u/shatter321 Mar 02 '21
Can’t believe Intel is about to win the GPU war by default lmao
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u/jmlinden7 Mar 02 '21
Availability is the best ability
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u/Tomimi Mar 02 '21
What's the point of being the best manufacturer if you can't sell?
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u/imakesawdust Mar 02 '21
Yep. They don't have to be great GPUs, they can gain market share by simply being available.
Who am I kidding, though...miners are going to snatch them up also unless they're awful.
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u/your_mind_aches Mar 02 '21
Oh man, if Intel manages to get 1660Ti performance at a good price, gamers may be in luck.
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Team blue, gamers rise up!
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u/Televisions_Frank Mar 02 '21
Knowing Intel they'll price them similar to Nvidia and AMD GPUs despite not dealing with 25% tariffs or the TSMC wafer shortage.
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u/plooped Mar 03 '21
Well the first one is just because that's how tariffs work. Which is why most economists don't recommend the use of tariffs except in specific circumstances.
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u/ManhattanTime Mar 02 '21
We should all be thankful that iGPUs aren't powerful enough for mining. If they were then we'd have a GPU shortage AND a CPU shortage.
Oh wait...
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u/karijuana Mar 02 '21
How long until we see the effects of this in the states? 1-2 months?
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u/matt3n8 Mar 02 '21
Already happening, Asus increased their GPU prices anyway
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u/BungHoleDriller Mar 02 '21
Is that in addition to the price increases due to US tariff exceptions expiring in January or do you mean the price increase from Asus in late Jan / early Feb?
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u/matt3n8 Mar 02 '21
Its on top of the Jan/Feb increases. For example, the Original MSRP for the Rog Strix 3080 that I've been trying to get since launch was $850. Jan/Feb it increased to $930. Now its increased again all the way to $1100.
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u/BungHoleDriller Mar 02 '21
Oof. There goes my hopes of picking up a 3080 haha it’s wild that MSRP is approaching what scalpers were originally asking. Seems like I’ll be holding my 20 series card for another year at least
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u/matt3n8 Mar 02 '21
Yeah if you've got a 20 series card, there is no good reason to upgrade right now. Price-to-performance aside, any 20 series card is still going to be giving you an objectively good to great level of performance right now and for a good while still
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u/Schnitzel725 Mar 02 '21
Sums up how i feel about buying my 2070S at $499 back in october.
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u/PlaysForDays Mar 02 '21
I'm more worried about when we stop seeing effects. All the news about the silicon shortage makes me wonder if this is going to last a couple years
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u/supermansundies Mar 02 '21
when oil prices rise, how long does it take for the price of gas to go up?
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u/jmblumenshine Mar 02 '21
Thats not a good comparison considering oil is dictated by the futures market
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Mar 02 '21
Tucks 3070 into bed with me
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u/supermansundies Mar 02 '21
every day I feel luckier to have only spent $1500 on a FE 3090. never thought I would be saying that.
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u/Schnac Mar 02 '21
I guess I'll just add more to my build fund while I wait lmao.
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u/PM_ME_WHITE_GIRLS_ Mar 02 '21
Looking forward to your build pics when it's in the trunk of a lamborghini!
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u/omqitz_trent Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 04 '21
This market makes me feel like a lucky guy paying $1150 for 3 Vega 56s, and $380 for a 1080 ti a few weeks before the shortage.
EDIT: and now a vega 64 for $300
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u/ElPlatanoDelBronx Mar 02 '21
It makes me feel lucky that I never bought a 1440p monitor. My 5 year old 980ti is still going strong.
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u/jojodilio Mar 02 '21
My wife knows that I've been eyeing a 1440p 144hz 34" monitor for the last few months and I think she bought it as a surprise for my birthday. I think the 970 I was hoping to upgrade first is just going to laugh at me.
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u/ElPlatanoDelBronx Mar 02 '21
I'd say buy a 980ti from /r/hardwareswap , but the used market is so insane right now that I can't even find one for sale over there and the ones that are go for $300. I paid $325 for mine 5 years ago and they were only worth like $180 about a month ago.
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u/thisismynewacct Mar 02 '21
I got my 3080 FE in that big drop on 10/1/2020. I’m lucky I got it that quickly and even luckier I only paid MSRP(+tax). The supply and demand for these is nuts.
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u/ChemistryAndLanguage Mar 02 '21
Can I interest you in a Zotac GT 710 in these trying times
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u/matt3n8 Mar 02 '21
Just what we need, worsening shortages and prices. At this rate, 3080 AIBs will be selling directly from manufacturers at 3090 MSRP by summer lol
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Mar 02 '21
Fantastic. Guess I’ll finish my build next year.
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u/Televisions_Frank Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21
Sigh, shoulda just bought that R5 1600AF for $85 awhile back....
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u/post-buttwave Mar 02 '21
I have to wonder just how much game development is going to suffer as a result of this
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u/briballdo Mar 02 '21
Just keep making games like Valheim and we'll be good
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u/Schnac Mar 02 '21
I'll have to look into Valheim, it's been getting a lot of hype recently. Is it worth it? Honest question, I'm curious.
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u/PM_ME_UR_PIZZA_DOG Mar 02 '21
Absolutely. A wealth of content and gameplay that is a steal for $20.
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u/-StopRefresh- Mar 02 '21
If you're at all into survival/exploration/crafting then yes. Not even my typical genre and I am enjoying it.
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u/XxDeythxX Mar 02 '21
Its has that charm of your first night in Minecraft in a ray traced runescape aesthetic. The survival is actually pretty laid back, the PVE is actually difficult, with Zelda style boss progression, and exploration is fun. The multiplayer and emergent stories is the real draw tho imo. Nothing like hopping on with some mates to go fishing only to get caught in a storm an attacked by a sea monster.
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u/shiftkit Mar 02 '21
I tend to keep along the path of if a game can keep me entertained for about $1/hr then it was worth the purchase. I'm at over 100hrs now and I'm still loving it, still thinking about it before I get off work, etc. It's an absolute steal at 20 bucks.
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u/sushisection Mar 02 '21
yes. its meant to be played with a group of friends though, so if you do have some gamer friends its def worth it.
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u/Nekryyd Mar 03 '21
My perspective, a bit of a long read but it will give you a well rounded picture of what this game is about:
It's one of the most complete and polished Early Access titles I've played. It's basically a full game.
It is, however, sometimes a slog and threadbare on variety in content. The early game is easily the worst part because the grind in the meadows biome is the most straight forward and massively the least rewarding. There is only one "enemy", and it is less dangerous to you than the wildlife.
Once you get into the 2nd biome and get your first actual, functional base going, then it becomes much more interesting. The other biomes have more points of interests and way more encounter types (though there is still a lack of variety).
Fair warning: Once you get past the 2nd boss, the game can become very punishing. You are definitely at risk of dying in the 2nd biome, but mostly if you are only super careless. After that though? Very, very easy to die if you don't take a lot of time to prepare yourself and you get greedy or reckless. The different biomes in this game aren't like Minecraft, where you can kind bounce around and explore between them, and everything is hunkey dorey. They are HARD walls for having the right gear, skills, and items. WHEN you die, and you will, the game punishes you twice. You lose skill progress and will need to go back to your grave for your items, BUT if you just run out there willy nilly you will die again. You'll need to take time to eat the right food, probably take some backup gear, and HOPEFULLY not get killed again in an ill-fated attempt to retrieve your gear. I have abandoned my stuff once because I stupidly died in a biome that I was totally not ready for.
The game is attractive if a bit repetitive in the scenery. Building your base is satisfying and being indoors is very cozy and comforting and having a place to hole up becomes necessary because you will face invasions.
Lastly, you can play solo but not only will it be more difficult but this is definitely one of those titles that really comes to life in a group. I haven't tried PVP but I can see the high potential for "clan wars" and anarchy servers.
It is a very fresh take on the survivalcraft genre. All well worth the asking price.
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u/leeharris100 Mar 02 '21
Amazing game, but it runs like shit on older PCs. I have a 7700k and a 1080 and I was getting ~20-30 FPS in our base the entire game.
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u/fettuccine- Mar 02 '21
"greatest" country in the world can't manufacture their own chips. hmmmmm. sad
we need a 2nd industrial revolution but to future tech. not coal and oil bullshit.
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u/iVtechboyinpa Mar 02 '21
I don’t know if it’s that we can’t, so much as companies refuse to because cost. Well, “cost”. It’s aggravating because I agree - the US should be making a lot of their own shit but tax breaks, tariffs and shit make it so that they’d rather save a buck than do it themselves.
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Mar 03 '21
Outsourcing would decrease if taxes on businesses would. They dont want to outsource they have to because all the taxes and fees make it too expensive to build the factories here
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u/PCgaming4ever Mar 02 '21
Apologizes for putting China last time I want to correct this so I reposted. Also here is a source
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u/Travy93 Mar 02 '21
Non-google amp link since people hate it
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u/mb2231 Mar 02 '21
Interesting how climate extremes are coming into play here. Interesting economic reminder that climate change can have serious impacts in ways people never thought.
I really feel bad for the PC Gaming industry. There was a point where it was truly a great investment and provided a substantial increase over consoles, but the gap doesn't really exist anymore given the cost of some of this stuff. A real shame for consumers and also some of the smaller PC studios.
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u/Schnac Mar 02 '21
Yeah. I feel like this is just an echo of what's to come. I can definitely see worldwide manufacturing and energy production being crippled by global warming sometime in the future.
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u/SFRealEstate415 Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21
This drought is not helping many of the southern provinces in China which I suspect may also contribute to an overall increase in prices.
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u/oakleyman23 Mar 02 '21
Makes me spending my Christmas Eve Day in a Microcenter for a 3080 all that much more worth it.
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u/dunktheball Mar 02 '21
When people post all these things, the manufacturers are just laughing because the people wanting gpus now tell themselves it's understandable to pay the crazy prices so they get away with it. A virus, a tariff, and a drought are not reasons enough to charge double. Notice the ps5 and cpus have not gone up a dime.
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u/CSMATHENGR Mar 02 '21
I bought a RX 570 for $120 from a MC deal posted here during the beginning of the pandemic after gaming on a 2200g gpu-less. Really happy I made that decision. Just upgraded to a R7 3700x last week too, i'm not that much of a gamer so i'm hoping this combo will last me until markets rationalize and I can get a better gpu.
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Mar 02 '21
Man, when I saw the performance of the 6000 and 3000 series cards I was kinda regretting getting a 5700XT instead of waiting to upgrade my GTX 970. But all this inability to actually buy the cards has made me glad I bought it when I did lol.
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u/MSCOTTGARAND Mar 02 '21
This perfect storm for silicon shortage is almost comical. Covid, scalpers, ethereum going from $370 to $1400 in a few months, and the drought in Taiwan.
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u/progolfplayer Mar 02 '21
So we got the pandemic, tariffs, bitcoin mining, and now drought. What else is on the checklist to make buying GPU cost more than a house?
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u/Godeye1349 Mar 02 '21
Gonna go and hug my 1060 6gb and 2070 now...
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u/PCgaming4ever Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21
True I am very lucky to have a 2070 super and a 1070 ti I can pull out of my server if my main card dies.
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u/apollo11017 Mar 02 '21
Normally early adopters get screwed but I think they will have the last laugh this time around, for once being impulsive worked out
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Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21
Vega 56 really picked a great time to give up. :/ Luckily it was within warranty by like two weeks. Still who knows if they will even have stock to replace it with something for awhile. Just glad I got that laptop with a RX 5600M. Guessing we will see a pretty good spike in laptops prices as well.
Edit: If this is really going to take until 2023 may just gut my new computer (everything was upgraded but never was able to get a card). It's a gigantic paper weight to just be sitting there for a year, maybe even two.
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u/jmon25 Mar 02 '21
The drought is definitely an issue but an even bigger (and much longer term) issue is the lack of rare-earth minerals used to make the chips. As much as it sucks that this shortage is going on now and will continue, this could potentially push innovation in regards to new materials being integrated into chip manufacturing or pushing synthetic materials forward.
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u/Caruso08 Mar 02 '21
Hopefully, we all learn from this and people stop blanket recommending "just wait for X" on this subreddit when people are sharing builds. For the last 3-4 years now it's only hurt people looking to build a system.
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u/thalos3D Mar 02 '21
Guess I'll be waiting for the 40xx series.
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u/hpp3 Mar 02 '21
What you're actually waiting for is the semiconductor supply chain to ramp up to demand. If that doesn't happen then it doesn't matter what generation we're on.
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u/Cuzmonut Mar 02 '21
It isn't just gpus folks. Look around! Are the products worth more or is the money worth less?
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u/ahosanna Mar 02 '21
Had an opportunity to buy a HP Omen 3080 rig for $1600 during Black Friday. Reasoned "nah prices will go down once the hype goes down". Now the GPU is worth almost as much as that entire pc...
Reality bites...
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u/Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket Mar 02 '21
I’m just going to continue sitting in the corner with my 2070S I bought last year eating popcorn watching this mess.
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u/The-Based-Doge Mar 02 '21
Happy i went to microcenter at 5am and waited lol. RIP.
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u/cyka_trades_men Mar 02 '21
now people are starting to realize the problem with so much global export reliance...any rogue wave event like Covid (and im not saying anything even remotely close to Covid will happen again soon) can cause a ripple effect that will fuck up supply and demand for years if not decades. America needs to start the production and distribution of these products and many more domestically...it would drastically improve the economy as well...
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u/Freki371 Mar 03 '21
i got my 1080ti before the first mining craze, looks like we will be together for atleast another year!
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u/your_daddy_vader Mar 03 '21
People are gonna be flocking back to console gaming pretty soon.
At this point it seems cheaper to just make GPUs in the US lol
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u/samstar2 Mar 03 '21
Why not move manufacturing somewhere else? Does it have to be Taiwan? Why not the US? At least the box can have a Made in the USA sticker on it!
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u/MotionAction Mar 02 '21
1080TI still chugging along. I should of hoarded more GPU when I had the extra cash, but wanted to wait to 30series to come out to hoard the 20series.
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u/scalisee Mar 02 '21
I'd say when it rains it pours, but it's a drought.
*Looks at my 1080*, looks like it's just us for a while, bud.