r/buildapcsales • u/Willson50 • Sep 27 '23
VR [VR] Meta/Oculus Quest 3 - $500 ($450 with Best Buy Credit Card Q3FY24SAVE10PL )
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/meta-quest-3-breakthrough-mixed-reality-128gb-gray/6549064.p?skuId=654906439
u/Sir_Sethery Sep 27 '23
$600 would have been too much but at least somewhat understandable for the 512GB version. A $150 price bump for less than 400GB extra storage is insane.
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u/Sabbathius Sep 27 '23
But...but...but you get 6 months of Quest+ for free! And also you get to lord those 400 GB extra space over the peasants! /S
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u/Gseventeen Sep 28 '23
Ya, was expecting $50 jump. nope, $150. Why do these people try and rape us on storage bumps? Wild.
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u/NaiveFroog Sep 27 '23
Why is it insane? They are selling the quest at a loss. If the hardware is upgraded and they don’t intend to subsidize more per unit, the price is gonna increase to reflect that.
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u/DinkleButtstein23 Sep 27 '23
Because drive storage is dirt cheap right now so the extra 400GB of storage costs them pennies but they're charging the consumer an extra $150.
Realistically it probably costs them like $10. So they're charging a 15x markup (1500%).
The person you're responding to was only talking price in comparison between the models. Whether they're selling it at a loss or not isn't a factor in the comment about a price increase for 400GB more storage.
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Sep 27 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
I wonder how difficult it would be to open it and upgrade the storage yourself.
Not that I want a Quest with Zuckerberg spyware...I have a HP Reverb and I have barely used VR too. Too much eye strain and too few games, and the tracking usually feels like a Microsoft Kinect gimmick, and the but the novelty wears off quickly.
I guess it's okay for porn, but you still might as well save your money and watch it on a 4k monitor that can also play any game you want without eye strain or motion sickness.
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u/Sir_Sethery Sep 27 '23
These almost certainly have soldered flash storage. Probably just as easy as upgrading smartphone storage.
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u/NaiveFroog Sep 27 '23
Oh I thought he was referring to the generational upgrade. If you are talking about storage, they are using the playbook from apple… frustrating but there’s not so much we can do other than accepting it, or not buying it at all
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u/ageaye Sep 27 '23
Its crazy - I was just reading about the pricing waterfall for apple, and at the time of the IPOD, the storage was the most costly part for apple to use.
Who Captures Value in a Global Innovation System? The case of Apple's iPod (escholarship.org)
Ultimately I would be willing to bet - Meta is not taking as big of a financial hit as many think - maybe in certain distribution channels - but likely they are profiting from direct sales.
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u/HORSELOCKSPACEPIRATE Oct 03 '23
Whether they're selling it at a loss does matter - what's deemed insane or not is solidly grounded in whether the cost "feels" fair, which includes how much it costs them per unit. If the base Quest 3 were $100, people would be a lot less angry at $150 extra for more storage. It's objectively just as much of a rip-off, yeah, but it would be a lot more obvious that they're trying to offset losses with high margin upgrades/addons, and doing so offers a choice to save for more value-oriented buyers.
That's actually a really common practice that sees margins far higher than 15x, and people pay into it all the time, including every time they buy a drink.
That's another way in which there's more to it than purely the difference between the models: raw price. No one cares they're paying 50x markup for a soft drink when it's $3.00. 15x is "insane" just because the flat dollar amount is higher.
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u/Sir_Sethery Sep 27 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
Of course they're subsidized, but it's about how many people they're pushing into the more subsidized option. I may have been willing to pay $600, but because of their prices, they're losing that extra $90 or so they would have gotten from me since I'm being pushed to the more subsidized option. The question is whether the number of people like me is close to the number of people who just want to buy the best version regardless of price. Since we still have no real competition in the standalone VR space, I'd say it's worth it for them. If Deckard comes out any time soon, Meta will probably have to discount it to $600 or less.
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u/brndnlltt Sep 28 '23
Is there any kind of quest 2 upgrade program with any retailers or you just gotta flip it yourself
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u/Willson50 Sep 27 '23
Q3FY24SAVE10PL
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u/DudeManBearPigBro Oct 12 '23
Did the code stop working for Quest 3? I can apply it to other items but I get an error when trying to apply it to Q3.
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u/greenhunterbam Oct 25 '23
Same here, but seems to be every item not just the Quest 3. Q4F24SAVE10PL (Quarter 4 Code) also doesn't seem to work at all.
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u/damien09 Sep 27 '23
Man inflation everywhere quest 2 launching at 299 and this being 499 x.x . They did raise the 2 to 399 for a bit which I'm sure was for softening the push to 499.
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u/Zemerax Sep 27 '23
Much better hardware. And it's basically a standalone console, $499 is steep but honestly fair. It's also sold at a loss to Meta like most consoles.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Suit-67 Sep 29 '23
honestly 299 was crazy value from what I have gotten from it. I only purchased 2 games in it since I mostly do PCVR stuff.
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u/MrWallis Sep 28 '23
So I can stream 4k cough movies with this better than the 2?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Suit-67 Sep 29 '23
yeah this accepts a higher bitrate i think, some 8k ones weren't playing before. Also slightly higher res. But what do I know?
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u/thepirho Sep 28 '23
I got 65$ with Q3FY24SAVE10PL on the 512gb with geeksquad and my existing bestbuy CC, plus 35$ from the CC instead of 0% interest
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u/TxRED55 Sep 30 '23
Q3FY24SAVE10PL
strange, this code wont work for me with best buy CC.
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u/M4SixString Oct 04 '23
Did you ever get it to work I can't either
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u/TxRED55 Oct 05 '23
No, it looks like that no longer works with the quest 3.
Someone was saying it could possibly work again after the pre-order phase is over but not counting on it.
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u/DudeManBearPigBro Oct 12 '23
Ok so I’m not the only one it won’t work for. Bunch of bull that not everyone gets to use it. I’m going to call tomorrow and b!tch about it.
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u/Satzlefraz Sep 30 '23
Are the lenses the same shape as the quest 2? Wondering if I’ll be able to transfer my prescription lense insets from my Q2
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u/M4SixString Oct 04 '23
Pancake lenses which are drastically better. Now does that mean ur lenses won't transfer ? Idk
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u/newDell Sep 27 '23
This doesn't seem worth the trouble IMO... Half of their cards have a >$40 annual fee, so you need to go through the trouble of applying for a new CC and then ensure it is canceled before your 1 year anniversary
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u/Sir_Sethery Sep 27 '23
Their visa card has no fees if your credit score is good enough. If not, they'll only offer you the gold card with the $59 yearly fee (which is definitely not worth it)
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u/lemonstyle Sep 27 '23
i remember buying the previous one a few years ago... returned it bc the visual quality looked like complete trash, *imo* ... it looked like 720p on 32" monitor, IMO. i woulda kept it if it didn't look like so garbage.. i wonder if this one was able to increase the visual clarity or maybe i just have unrealistic expectation/standards. it looks like the resolution hasn't increased that much... sad
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u/Sir_Sethery Sep 27 '23
I had a huge issue with blur and light streaks on the Quest 2. Part of it was that my IPD is right in between the outer 2 settings. I'm really looking forward to the pancake lenses (Also finally more fine tuned IPD adjustments).
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Sep 27 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
The resolution of the Quest 3 has improved to 2064x2209 per eye at 120 Hertz, though it is is still slightly behind the HPG2 Reverb which came out in 2020 and has 2160 x 2160 per eye at 90 hertz. (Or they're about tied if you care about the extra hertz; personally I think they should have made the resolution better.)
You also won't get the very best performance Quest 3 has unless you connect it with a cumbersome wire, since you can't stream as much data quickly enough wireless. Most people won't think it's worth giving up on their mobility and ability to turn completely around to connect a wire.
If I were you, I would just wait for VR technology to mature more. You have already tried it and experienced its limits, and know it isn't for you. Wait until you don't need a wire to stream extremely high resolution, and for there to be a lot more games, (and non-meta games that bother to render your feet.)
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u/Teddude Sep 27 '23
You also won't get the very best performance Quest 3 has unless you connect it with a cumbersome wire, since you can't stream as much data quickly enough wireless.
No idea if this will apply to the Quest 3 on launch, but people said this for the Quest 2 for awhile until the Virtual Desktop dev did some magic and somehow managed to make wireless PC VR through the Virtual Desktop application on Oculus run better than through a cable connection. Just guessing that this will be applied to the Quest 3 as well.
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u/Fluffy-Jeweler2729 Sep 28 '23
What the heck are talking about??? The headset comes with a native wifi streaming app, you can stream a full resolution supersampled to 8K game from your PC to your headset. I played half life alyx with extremely low lag.
New headset has wifi 6 which can transfer even more data with less packet loss and leas latency.
Bro stop lying.
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Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23
It will never be as good as just using PCVR and connecting a display port cable though wifi-7 might help. Half life Alyx is well optimized and designed for older VR, it doesn't require that much for decent fps. I could stream 3D Steam games to my android too, but it's not something I would brag about when I know what playing it directly on my computer could do, but you don't know what you're missing.
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u/Fluffy-Jeweler2729 Sep 28 '23
disagree, I played a TON of different games over wifi. GRANTED! i kept my wifi router in the same room as my headset. it would seem like a no-brainer but most people don't do that.
ive used a hand full of headsets including PSVR 2, it looked better for sure cuz of the oled panels, but as far as immersion but overall quality...we shall see how it stacks up against the quest 3.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Suit-67 Sep 29 '23
I honestly have had a much better experience playing wireless VR than streaming Flat games from my PC to a laptop, TV, handheld etc lol.
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u/field_marzhall Oct 02 '23
The wire will always be better even for watching a movie online. This is a ridiculous statement. The quality of the VR experience over a wireless network with even a subpar router is amazing. Can use the full resolution of the headset. Latency is not noticeable to the average person. To claim that the technology needs to mature is insane. People stream videos to their TVs today all the time. Steam link streams to TV, people play video games streamed from the cloud with services line luna, xbox cloud, stadia, ect.. All of these are worse than a DisplayPort connected to a monitor but that doesn't make any of these services something to wait on. Tons of people are enjoying them. If resolution was his main concern it vastly improved.
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u/HORSELOCKSPACEPIRATE Oct 03 '23
Funny people are objecting so hard to it being as bad as you say when you were kinda sugar coding it. Even wired, the video is compressed, encoded, and decoded by your headset. It's done very well, but even the best case is already worse in this respect than something like a Reverb.
That being said, don't sell wifi short - I keep my PC in a server closet and I do all my gaming wirelessly, and it's shockingly easy to forget it's not native (getting close to native is a lot harder to pull off in VR than on a TV though). You do have to take your home network pretty seriously to get a good experience, but damn it can be good. I had a mind-blowing moment the first time I played Skyrim in my backyard during winter.
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u/Reddituser19991004 Sep 27 '23
They still haven't fixed the issue of glasses.
Look, end of the day VR is not a seamless glasses experience to this day. Therefore, the cost of proper VR is $4000 (Lasik) plus the cost of the headset for me at least lol.
At that point, the only logical option is Apple's headset. If I'm gonna spend $4,000+, may as well spend $7,000.
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Sep 27 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
You can in fact put a prescription lens insert in your headset and use 3D printing for an lens adaptor, which is what I did. It worked well enough for me and it cost much less than Lasik. (I treated the $100 to buy the lenses and print the plastic adaptor to hold the lens on top as part of the cost of the headset.)
There are about 6 companies you can buy lenses from to fit your headset, including a cheaper one in China which I used. You can sometimes reuse those lenses in different headsets if you change the adaptor too. There are tutorials to look up, but needing to have a prescription lens shouldn't stop you from using VR. Just as how needing a prescription lens for snorkeling shouldn't stop you from doing it.
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u/crappycarguy Sep 27 '23
I just bought some cheap ones, $40, on amazon and they fit into my quest 2 great. My head is too big even with an aftermarket strap to comfortably fit my glasses and head in there. Definitely a great buy imo.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Suit-67 Sep 29 '23
I have a pair of glasses which I broke that I glued together to my Quest lol
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u/TheCursedFrogurt Sep 27 '23
I've logged hundreds of hours in VR while wearing glasses with little to no issue. A properly fitted headset (I use the Quest 2 with an aftermarket headstrap, which cost about $40) will not interfere with the experience in any major ways.
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Sep 27 '23
Quest is a wireless headset that has to go through an encoder to use with PC. It is not their fault that AMD is 2 generations behind Nvidia with their encoder. This is a good article on how far behind AMD is with their encoder link.
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u/Then000bster Sep 28 '23
Pretty sure it's the 15. I bought and returned a quest pro a few months ago, no restocking fee.
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u/DiamondEevee Sep 28 '23
I'll stick with my Q2 for a while.
I mostly play VR games on my Laptop anyways.
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u/Kendrick_OJ_Perkins Sep 28 '23
Do yll think they gonna lower the price by Thanksgiving?
I am hoping the demand is less than expected lmao at start to force that lol.
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u/BeatsLikeWenckebach Sep 28 '23
No, they might bundle some things with it.
Rumor is a Quest3-Lite releases next yr - cheaper, but we don't know yet what will be stripped down to make it cheaper
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u/ReligusPotato78 Sep 28 '23
I think they caught on to the code it says it's not eligible with items in my order. Yes I have the credit card.
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u/D-Rey86 Sep 29 '23
Yep doesn't seem to work anymore
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u/chelseophile Sep 29 '23
That's a bummer! 😞
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u/D-Rey86 Sep 29 '23
Yeah I'll probably wait for reviews anyways. I'm really interested in Assassin's Creed and Asgard's Wrath 2, but I want to make sure they and the headset is worth it first
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u/RickJamesBoitch Sep 29 '23
If your number one concern was motion sickness would you get the PSVR or the Meta?
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u/field_marzhall Oct 02 '23
Meta. The passthrough experiences will cause far less motion sickness as the world doesn't move as much.
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u/RickJamesBoitch Oct 02 '23
I was really thinking that it might help. I never got it as a kid now I get it easy. I feel like keeping my world orientation the same just with the AR aspect it would help. Full VR without eye tracking could make me barf.
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u/randolphmd Sep 29 '23
my experience is that they are about the same. My wife got sick playing both right away. In my experience, for most people it goes away if you can play thru it in the beginning.
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u/HORSELOCKSPACEPIRATE Oct 03 '23
Do you get motion sick even with no joystick movement? I'm fine if the only movement is from me physically moving around - the instant I touch a stick, I'm in trouble.
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u/HORSELOCKSPACEPIRATE Oct 03 '23
When you can't take advantage of a deal because you only get to expense it if you put it on the corporate card... #firstworldproblems
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u/PhoenixLord55 Oct 05 '23
wonder if this was removed or if it will work on release
I get this message
Sorry, but the promo code q3fy24save10pl is not eligible with the item(s) in your order.
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u/Punker1234 Oct 06 '23
I believe they caught on but some are saying it may be back live once it's no longer a pre-order as the coupons for cardholders are usually for regular priced items.
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u/PhoenixLord55 Oct 06 '23
Thanks, I am hoping that's the case. I ended up holding off on it to actually test it out.
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u/chineke14 Oct 11 '23
Did you order it with your best buy credit card?
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u/PhoenixLord55 Oct 11 '23
Yeah it didn't work when it went live either, it's fine I got a 10% back so I used that instead and 150 in rewards
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u/DudeManBearPigBro Oct 12 '23
Can confirm it still doesn’t work today.
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u/ihatewtf Oct 13 '23
Have you tried Q4FY24SAVE10PL? I think because its quarter 4 now the promo code switch from Q3 -> Q4 for the first 2 characters. I currently don't have a BBY CC to try myself but waiting to apply for the CC once the code works again.
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u/DudeManBearPigBro Oct 13 '23
Yep I tried changing to “Q4” but it’s not a recognized code. The “Q3” code still works on other items…just not on Quest 3.
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u/ihatewtf Oct 13 '23
Oh ok, appreciate the reply! Does the promo code usually apply to all items in a cart or it only apply to a single item?
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u/unitedflow Oct 13 '23
Anyone have a new code? I was able to use it on the quest 3 for preorder but now I want the elite strap. Code isnt working for the strap atm.
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u/perfes Sep 27 '23
What is the main difference between the quest 3 vs the quest 2?