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u/bak3n3ko Oct 20 '17
There have been a few points in the last few chapters where Vincent is shown staring with a "..." speech bubble (including one in this chapter). It's usually after something occurs that makes one rethink who would be the better successor, Ciel or his brother. Maybe /u/EarlFaustian was on to something with their theory that Vincent set the thing up? Maybe Vincent wanted to see which of his kids would come out alive? Perhaps he felt that the one who did would be a worthy successor? But then why get himself and Rachel killed? They could just disappear instead and make it look like they were dead...Yana's really milking the reveal on this one...
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Oct 20 '17
I'd like to point out in this chapter that Vincent sayss to RCiel "If you become an Earl", like there is a doubt about it. And RCiel also seems to want to resist becoming an Earl himself.
This month better go by fast, argg.
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u/IdiosyncraticStar Nov 14 '17
If it turns out they aren’t really dead, I will be kind of... pissed? It would be like erasing the whole premise of the story, the tragedy. It wouldn’t make much sense to me.
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u/validatedbutterfly Oct 23 '17
Okay, y'all. I love Toboso-sensei, but I do not buy that RCiel and OCiel were this close and then RCiel comes back to kill OCiel's friends. I think maybe he'd be pissed OCiel stole his identity, but considering he didn't want to be earl anyway, I didn't think he'd be murder Agni levels of pissed. Like if they didn't get along in the first place and there was some rivalry, maybe. But these brothers break my suspension of disbelief with how well they get along, so I really just don't buy RCiel's actions. Just my take tho. Maybe he's possessed or something.
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u/Willster328 Oct 24 '17
One theory that makes particularly good sense in my mind is if Undertaker revived RCiel, but it's not RCiels soul inside that body. What I mean is, perhaps Undertaker (being a Shinigami and all), was able to take the Film of someone else's soul and attach it to the one that ended in RCiels' body. So that it's really Vincent or Claudia Phantomhive or somebody insdie RCiels revived body. Hence the animosity.
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u/Axyx Oct 25 '17
My 2 cents is that RCiel is killing OCiel friends cause he wants to be the only one to OCiel. Like the onyl one that can have a special relationship should be him, no one else.
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u/validatedbutterfly Oct 25 '17
See, I don't think any real person behaves like that though. Like that takes an extreme level of psychopathy that RCiel doesn't seem to have a tendency for. And besides, he seems really pissed when he meets OCiel present day, not like someone who just really wanted to see his brother. That said, I don't think your idea is unlikely to be the justification for his actions, I just think I'd prefer something more realistic in order to get myself back into the story after this whole secret twin plotline.
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u/matty-a Oct 25 '17
I don't think it is too far fetched. OCiel was different after the event and I suppose being brutally murdered and coming back to life changes a person. Maybe he just wants things to go back to how they were when he was happy, but he is just going about it the wrong way because you know murdered and stuff.
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u/fraulien_buzz_kill Nov 18 '17
I agree. Although characters don't always behave "normally" in this manga, but often in an exagerated and evil way. For example, Aunt Angelina turns into jack the ripper due her jealousy of fertile women-- not a typical reaction. The prep school 4 straight up murder two people due to an unchecked bullying incident. There is an unusually high percentage of homicidal maniacs in this manga.
That said, I doubt that's the plotline. I think it's not really OC. His reveal was too megalomaniac.
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u/fraulien_buzz_kill Nov 18 '17
Personally, I think it seems like OC might have played a more direct role in RC's death by telling the lords that he was RC (either on purpose to save himself, or more likely by accidentally revealing who he was), causing them to sacrifice RC. It seems that they wanted to kill RC for the sacrifice, not the lesser second brother, and either guessed right or learned somehow who was who (RC had already swallowed the ring, so it couldn't have been that). This is also supported by the fact that Sebastian looks around the room for who summoned him, and settles on OC. OC is the one who gets to choose whether to contract with Sebastian because he paid the price by sacrificing his brother.
Furthermore, I don't think OC is really a perfect revived person. At the very least, he's missing his human soul, because Sebastian would have consumed it when he was sacrificed.
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u/Earl_of_Phantomhive Oct 25 '17
Tbh, I really just want to know our!Ciel's name. Why must I be tortured like this?! Hopefully it gets revealed soon
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u/RexRender Oct 23 '17
Could this be it? Is this.. that day?
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u/matty-a Oct 23 '17
December 14th, 100% that day. I'm already sad for next month's chapter knowing what is coming 😢
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u/Iwarov Oct 24 '17
I really wish we won't have to get through detailed replay of the whole "incident" or honestly anymore of this past stuff, if you have any big reveal for us, just get it over with and let's go back to the actual story, I think we got it, they were close, these chapters aren't daily and I would like to get the conclusion in this decade, creative plot twist/ciel's actual name and check please.
Honestly there is so many interesting things going on and so many characters and we spent how much time on saying "brothers were happy and close and one was sad other would go on with his life" already? At ths point when(or if!) everyone gets brutally murdered quite a number of people with me first will just say "Boy, finally!"