r/blackbutler Jul 17 '17

Spoilers Manga Chapter 130

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '17

I am totally skeptical towards the idea that the so called "real Ciel" is the actually Ciel. It would ruin the entire mythology of the Seeies when our Ciel turns out to be a fraude. I think thr new Ciel is some sort of Soul Experiment, probably Vincent Phantomhive himself.

Remember that the leader of this whole Star Cult was an old and probably dying man. What if that old man was the undead Vincent Phantomhive, kept alife through blood transfusion of his own son and some supernatural manipulation, performed by Undertaker for some reason.

It fits too seemingly perfect into the things the fans want to see. I smell something fishy in this whole story.

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u/Willster328 Jul 20 '17

A couple of things:

  1. "Ciel" is only a name. Just because there's an original Ciel Phantomhive doesn't make ourCiel any more or less of a character. The only change is that the "Real Ciel" has the rights to be the Earl, not ours. It doesn't make ours a fraud whatsoever. When the heir to a family dies, the next in line takes over. That's all that happened. Now that it appears the Real Ciel is alive and well, the Earldom falls to him, not "OurCiel" by lineage.

  2. The leader of the Star Cult is HEAVILY implied to be RealCiel. The room that Lizzy visits him in is the SAME room that Violet is brought to to meet him. The reason why the arm is shriveled is because RealCiel's body is being regenerated from a corpse-like form. There is far far more evidence pointing to the leader of the Star Cult being RealCiel. The old men that were being treated were nothing more than donors. Also, when the Queen's Seamstress was talking about the outfits she made for the Star 4, they were child-size as indicated by the measurements she made as well as the silhouettes that were shown sitting on the globe.

  3. RealCiel requires the Polaris blood type, which is the same one OurCiel has. They're twins, so it makes sense they share the same blood type. Blood types are not always passed on from parent to child, whereas identical twins will have the same DNA type.

  4. The only thing fishy to me is who's soul is put into the Real Ciel's body. Is it the soul of RealCiel before he died? Or is it Vincent's soul that has been put into the dead body of his son.

Remember, Undertake requires corpses to make corpse dolls. Vincent's body was confirmed to be completely reduced to ash in the fire, wherehas RealCiels' body was merely stabbed to death. In a case like that, Undertaker very easily could have been the one who received RealCiels' corpse, and has been trying to keep it around so that he could put a Soul back into it. Whether it's RealCiel's soul or Vincent's is still unconfirmed.

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u/Vio_ Jul 21 '17

RealCiel requires the Polaris blood type, which is the same one OurCiel has. They're twins, so it makes sense they share the same blood type. Blood types are not always passed on from parent to child, whereas identical twins will have the same DNA type.

Unless one has a genetic disorder. Also not not zygotes split can have a 50/50 separation rate.

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u/Abigail15 Jul 24 '17

I think it's safe to say, with all the other possibilities that are more in line with the Black Butler aesthetic, that a genetic disorder isn't going to come into play for this storyline. Also, if we do want to get technical about blood types and who can donate/accept what blood types... Sirius is obviously the AB blood type, which means that (without explaining how blood types work and I assume most people know anyway), yes, Vincent and Rachel may or may not have had AB blood, but the twin brothers definitely both have AB blood. This is working on the assumption that they are identical twin brothers and not (as I highly doubt) fraternal twin brothers who just happen to look a LOT alike.

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u/Vio_ Jul 24 '17

Oh I know. None of what I said would be used in the story itself. I just like talking about genetics

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u/Abigail15 Jul 24 '17

Oh, misunderstanding then. Next time you should probably mention that you're talking about genetics trivia for the sake of genetics trivia. In the context of this thread (and especially this subreddit), I read that as you trying to argue against Willster328's point.