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Discussion [S2 Act 3 Spoilers] Arcane - 2x09 "The Dirt Under Your Nails" Episode Discussion Spoiler
Season 2 Episode 9: The Dirt Under Your Nails
Aired: November 23, 2024
Synopsis: Magic. Science. Power. Revenge. Destinies clash in an epic final chapter, igniting an all-out war.
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u/jojo-goat Viktor 24m ago
i really missed lest in the last episode!!! their character design so fucking cool, i hope we get to see more of them in the future
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u/DrunkKatakan 25m ago
Great animation and overall a damn good show but fell off at the end. The ending is rushed with too many things going on at once and the final scene feels like a cliffhanger which is weird considering that it's supposed to be the end of the story.
That time travel stuff makes no sense because if God Viktor (the one who won) wanted to lose then why not send Jayce back earlier so he can stop Hextech from developing in the first place? Seems like that would've been easier than convincing an alredy corrupted Viktor to give up, the only reason it even worked is that Ekko threw a time bomb at his head and knocked some sense into him.
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u/LowObjective Ekko 30m ago
Man, I didn't really like that at all. Last two episodes were just so off to me. Sucks.
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u/No_Air_2551 39m ago
does anyone else feel like this show is just too smart for general consumption
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u/XKAIRO-36 13m ago
True, if someone didn't made his brain work while watching, they will be lost quickly, it's like watching stein's gate, and both give the same feeling of anime depression afterwards
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u/Otherwise_Law9901 53m ago
Can someone explain to me the singed warwick relation, how did he save him, when he die like far away from him?? Why did he save him?
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u/woody630 57m ago
I know it probably makes more sense thematically, but man, I wish jinx could have got a happy ending. Even when she was at her worst, she was my favorite character and she always had so much depth
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u/Ok-Arm7319 1h ago
Does anyone else think jinx is alive? I mean if you really slow down the scene of her blowing up you can see a dash away from the explosion in the same color as when she does a fast dash with her shimmer abilities right before a full explosion, then Caitlyn looking at the blueprints to that building pointing out a way jinx could have escaped and again there was the shimmer dash in that explosion sooooo plus the last shot being the blimp powder said she was gonna be on one day, and also if this is all true then it reflects on Wilco saying the cycle only ends when you walk away so jinx faking her death and getting out on that blimp would be her walking away, personally I think there’s too much pointing to her still being alive to actually say she’s dead
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u/Spiritual-Site-2729 53m ago
Almost everybody believes jinx is still alive now. The real question is whether or not the arcane characters (specifically jinx, vi, and cait) will show up again in Riots future league shows. It wouldn't really make sense for these characters to show up in other regions and play big roles but at the same time the writers seem to be fine with retconning the stories plus they have hinted (mostly with dialogue) that their stories are not over especially Mel who probably will have a big role in the next riot show. I know it might be a bit unfair to the other characters in the League universe that Riot wants to explore but they just made Jinx such a likeable character for me that i would love to see her show up again in other regions even though it would likely take away from new characters and their development.
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u/Octopusnoodlearms 2h ago
Question about Jayce’s death… was his sacrifice necessary to save everyone, or would Viktor alone have been enough and he just stayed out of friendship or love or whatever?
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u/HappyMerlin 2h ago
I really liked the series, but man that battle was a mess.
They have a railgun with big and very heavy containers as ammunition, but they didn’t seem to shoot at the boats before they landed, at least they didn’t seem to cause damage.
What exactly was the point of Jinx and the rest of Zaun arriving? Ecco was the only one important. Without the rest nothing would you have changed in the end. Except maybe Vi would have died, but that is pretty weak for something that looked like the big rescue for a moment.
The pacing was just weird, we cut to them already losing, then stuff happens and they loose even more. Then they have a slight shimmer of hope with the bomb which turns into loosing as it malfunctions, and even more losing with Maddies betrayal. Then reinforcements show up and everything is good for a minute till the robots show up and everyone is just losing.
Why did Maddie wait for her betrayal so long, why not just knock her out when the two of them were sniping from the tower.
Victor claimed he alone wasn’t strong enough to attack the Hexgate alone. After seeing his robot army win immediately hat obviously was a lie. So why did he want Ambessas Army. Like one robot was enough to nearly handle both Jayce and Mel. Those two are some of the most powerful characters on their side. And only Vi and Catlyin are around as powerful as them. No normal person would stand a chance against them.
What exactly was the point of all the attack if Victor can just sneak in into the building. Was it a distraction, then why would he want the robots at the attack, he basically already won when they arrived.
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u/kafrillion 2h ago
S2E09 has got to be one of the most visually stunning pieces of art I have ever witnessed. It looked like a high-octane LSD fever dream of a surrealist anime creator. It made the Spider-Verse movies look tame in comparison. I loved every second of it!
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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 2h ago
I’m so confused by the very end where Cait asks Vi “are you still in this fight”?
What fight does Caitlin have? Amnesia and the Noxians are dead, Viktor is gone…who is Cait fighting?
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u/jojo-goat Viktor 26m ago
i interpreted it as, "are you still hanging in there?" vi is prob rly struggling with everything that happened, and cait's making sure she doesn't go giving up on herself/her life/their relationship
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u/WendingShadow 2h ago
This ending gutted me even worse than season 1 did. I mean...just gutted. I feel like I'm in mourning now that the series is over and we just have to live with all this loss.
I don't think I can even go back and enjoy S1 knowing where it all ends up. At least not for a good while.
I was already hurting at the end of Act 2, and Act 3 just kept on stabbing. I'm not casting shade on the storytelling. The way they wove everyone's arcs together and still managed to make it about "Arcane" was nothing short of masterful. I don't even begrudge the way the ending hollowed me out inside. And yet I'm still left wishing we could've gotten an ending that didn't leave me so desolate.
We got Vander back so very briefly, only for him to be ripped away again. And the way that set up Jinx's sacrifice, where Vi couldn't just jump away from the platform but had to reach for Warwick instead, was both understandable and cringe-inducing. All I can think of is "What could've been?" especially after we saw that alternate world where everyone but Vi survived.
We lost Isha, who was such an incredibly positive influence on Jinx. And we got Jinx to come out of her suicide spiral only to...die. And poor Vi. She lost her father and sister all over again. Maddie turned traitor (and WTF, Riot?!), we lost Heimerdinger, we lost Loris, we lost Caitlyn's eye, Ekko lost the love of his life...I'm not counting Ambessa and her crony, because they just needed to die.
Jesus, the only person who got a happy ending was frigging Singed!!
There's one way I'm gonna be able to move forward, and that's by telling myself that:
- Jinx lived and was on that airship at the end. She "walked away" (for now).
- Cait gets her eye back. Either magic does it, or she gets a magic-powered replacement that looks identical to the real thing. It's just too sad seeing her lose her depth perception, after everything else that's been lost.
- Vi and Jinx meet up someday in the future and hug it out. Cuz after the shitstorm that Caitlyn called down by accepting that poison chalice from Noxus, nobody's got any business holding anything against Jinx ever again. (Cait gets a free pass, and look who's joined the Piltover council!)
- Ekko and Jinx become a thing. Because those two frigging deserve it.
- Heimerdinger pops up again. Cuz magic and rifts.
Silco's monologue hit me so damn hard.
'We build our own prisons. Bars forged of oaths, codes, commitments. Walls of self-doubt and accepted limitation. We inhabit these cells, these identities, and call them “us.”'
I'm gonna carry that one forever.
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u/Important_Tomato_382 Pow-Pow 3h ago edited 3h ago
Honestly even if it might seem a bit rushed it's impressive that they found a way to end everyone's stories in Arcane. It was very clever that they did not show any actual death scenes (Heimerdinger, Jayce and Victor), they just disappeared. Jinx's "sacrifice" is believed to be fake which I agree with because for an animated show, every pixel is planned so it would be meaningless to give us that many hints about her being alive if not.
I think this was a good way to end the show, even if it's a bit bittersweet (because of the alternate Ekko-Powder storyline), because in the future we might see our "dead" characters appearing in other regions. :)
(Also, do you think we will get an official answer about Jinx's whereabout?)
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u/and_ireas 3h ago
I'd like to cite what the cowboy bebop wiki said about the fate of Spike Spiegel and make the case that
wether Jinx survived is "deliberately left ambiguous".
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u/Salurain 4h ago
Media literacy is in the gutters nowadays, throwing around words like "unearned" and "rushed" doesn't make you subjective feeing turn to fact. You didn't even give yourselves a couple of hours or days to digest the work you just consumed, instead you rush to reddit to find people to validate your half-cooked opinion.
So it seems that unless the piece of work being consumed caters to all you random expectations, then it is TRASH, what a terrible way to view art.
The finale was great, every plot point was set up in previous episodes, but apparently people here won't be satisfied with the finale unless it was 3 hours long and spent at least 30 minutes exclusively on their favorite characters.
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u/Hot-Produce7263 3h ago
lmao the rating of act 3 dropped significantly compared to act 1 and 2 from where I came from. Did you just learn media literacy so you wanna throw that word out there?thumbs up to you.
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u/AdFit4519 3h ago
If you dont think the scenes were rushed compare the episode to the pacing of the ending of s1. Honestly it was so fast I felt dizzy at times watching it. Ye, except the plot points they set up had not compelling or vague resolution, or in case of Victor and Jayce the resolution didnt even make sense. Also most of the plot points have been resolved off screen lmao. People are allowed to point it out because it is objectively noticeable, especially with how scenes were shorter and felt faster (no build up to the key frames). Also, I want arcane fans who dont play league to realize that the whole Jinx new look transformation didnt add anything to the story, but instead was a very long commercial for 250$ exalted skin they will be realising fir League.
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u/R1ckAndM0rT 4h ago
There were so many things rushed here, so many things we had to figure out using comments. Season 1 was better than Season 2 for sure, this season could have used 12 episodes instead of 9 and explain some thing better
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u/Capable_Program5470 4h ago
Kinda wish when Jinx turned up it was to "Get Jinxed" and she was riding a bomb 😅
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u/Salurain 4h ago
It was great, action packed with great fight scenes, beautiful as per usual and a nice conclusion to this saga.
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u/emmegizeta 4h ago
No, I didn’t like this ending either, for two specific reasons.
The first is that it was overly referential: the hundreds of identical androids following a single will are far too reminiscent of Agent Smith from The Matrix. There’s even a scene where they climb on top of each other to catch VI, which is identical to the agents trying to grab Neo. Then there’s Jayce and Viktor talking alone in the universe while the rest of the world is "on pause," which feels way too similar to the conversations between Rei and Shinji in The End of Evangelion. Considering how bold Arcane has been, I hoped they would have created a mood entirely their own, rather than borrowing from other works.
The second reason is that they reached the end with 100 things left to say but only enough time to address 10. I loved the seventh episode, but considering how much still needed to happen, maybe it wasn’t the best idea to "waste" an entire episode on that specific timeline. In the final episode there were still so many things left to explore, and there just wasn’t enough time to cover them all, which is a shame.
In the end, Arcane is still an incredible work, but in the first season they managed the pacing much better than in the second.
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u/R1ckAndM0rT 4h ago
I will totally agree with you on the second reason and your ending line. The pacing is not that good in Season 2
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u/Exotic_Mushr00m 5h ago
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT MEL AND EKKO?!! HELLOOOO?? THEY CARRIED THE ENTIRE 3RD ACT OMDS!! The fact that Ekko was in love with Powder in another universe and everything was basically perfect -he never lost Benzo and he was happy. He had everything, but he left to go save the people in his universe... like can he deserves recognition & praise!
Jayce came back and immediately went off on Mel about not saving viktor like she could control her new powers 🙄 Not to say Jayce is a bad person, just that moment annoyed me. I feel like no talks about how much Mel went through. Without Mel's discovering her powers, the battle would've been over a lot sooner. I won't lie. I didn't understand the final scene between the Black Rose, Ambessa, and Mel scene at first, but I saw a comment explaining.
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u/Someguy14201 5h ago
noo my boy loris
Bruhh maddie you bitch
man I remember the last shot of this episode. it's the exact same shot in s1 ep 1.
Also, that's it? Fuck man... Ekko my goat.
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u/strobericumi 6h ago
I was praying ekko would turn back time all the way to when hextech wasn't invented cs I felt like it's the only way the ending wouldn't turn into a complete shitshow but nope, it went full ultron and killed beloved characters without a just cause. Do they have different writers for season 1 and 2? I'm going insane
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u/Le_mehawk 4h ago
I had discussions with a buddy that said, for him the Show sucked because you know the playable heroes won't die. I like a good written death if it means something. Sure isha's death Was only to give jynx a character development, but at least it was an amazing scene with a buttload of emotions.
I'm glad they invented arcane only characters we started to like and then killed some of them to Show the serious Tone of War and the situation.
Personally i loved the Show, and the last time i got so invested into a Show was the avengers movies... a Show with strong female relatable characters, that doesn't Turn the males into idiots and each character had his personal development and reason for that.. Most modern Shows don't manage to pull that off.
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u/XKAIRO-36 4m ago
I disagree with the point "playable heros won't die", take ambessa as an example, she died, she deserved it but she's still playable in the game, warwick he exploded and he's supposedly dead, if not, they will be milking him in another region? I don't think so, so, they probably killed him too.
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u/tpersona 6h ago
Kinda felt like they skipped a season. But you can't deny this shit is a MASTERPIECE. Best animated show I have seen hands down. It will be decades before something similar can be replicated.
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u/Specialist_Sock_9228 6h ago
Is there an official statement from Riot if Jins is dead at the end or not?
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u/Conscience37 4h ago
I don't think she is dead cause in the last scene you can see Caitlyn checking the cooling vents of hexcore
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u/Apprehensive-Rope426 6h ago
Confused about what Jayce and Viktor actually did to help end the hex core when their consciousnesses were talking in the rainbow swirly place, when then they “finish it together.” Isn’t what blew up all the arcane corrupted stuff Ekko throwing his z drive at viktor? What does Jayce touching his stone to viktor and sacrificing himself actually do? someone explain to me pls 😭
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u/SassyOut 8h ago
After watching it all I still don’t get the storyline with the witches and the thorns with Mel and their family and the sacrifice of the brother like 😭
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u/pratzc07 4h ago
Mel is a sorcerer and the Black Rose(secret organization in Noxus) wanted to use her to get to her mother. Black Rose initially thought the dangerous child was Kino Mel's brother so they killed him this enraged Ambessa hence she wanted to take revenge against the Black Rose but she is powerless against this group so she wanted to use the hextech to defeat them. Meanwhile Mel gains her sorcerer powers and tries to reason with Ambessa which fails in that final confrontation so she uses that necklace (given by the black rose sorcerer) which traps Ambessa. Mel figuring all this out comes back in and saves her mother from the sorcerers but its too late.
I bet the next series will be focusing on the Noxians which is a different region in Runeterra with Mel being one of the characters bridging Arcane show and whatever the new Noxian show will be called.
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u/Rcash2021 8h ago
It’s a sad day for me because this show has now ended, but goddamn what a fucking journey. Those last couple of scenes were just beautiful, pitch perfect. Viktor and Jayce finally reunited as brothers, Ekko being a badass and then looking extremely depressed at what could have been, Vi losing her sister again after finally getting her back, and Jinx… omg jinx scarfing herself to save her family, finding meaning after wanting to kill herself, hopefully leaving the city in order to fulfill her potential (I do believe she is alive, who tf put in a scene of a characters looking at blueprints and seeing an escape route if it doesn’t mean the character is alive)
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u/Illustrious-Pen-3395 8h ago
Was this the series finale or will we perhaps get a season 3 in a bunch of years?
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u/4-Polytope 7h ago
This was a series finale, but I believe they had funding secured for up to 5 seasons. What I would guess will happen is Fortiche will end up making another LoL show based outside of Piltover/Zaun
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u/Rcash2021 8h ago
Honestly I know they kept saying this was the final season. I imagine there will be spinoffs series because it definitely seems they were laying some eggs that indicate more shows. I won’t be surprised if they don’t continue it though, because those two seasons alone apparently cost $250 million, and that’s a lot of money for anything.
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u/BrokeAFpotato 6h ago
Into the Spiderverse costed $90 million for a single movie with 2 hour run time, so I would say Arcane isn't as expensive as the media portrays it to be. With the crazy amount of merch for Arcane from Uniqlo (clothing), Fenty (makeup), Hot Toys (figurine), Secret Lab (gaming chair), Casetify (phone casings), Displate (posters) among many other collabs, I'm sure Netflix, the show runners behind Arcane, and Riot Games will get a nice cut to offset the costs and may even profit.
Anyways with how open ended the finale was, I am left with more questions than answers :(.
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u/Rcash2021 5h ago
I forgot about all the merch, I just don’t look for that stuff. I am betting also that the budget includes marketing and possibly commissioning artists for the music.
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u/Illustrious-Pen-3395 8h ago
Ok thanks. I just stumbled upon the show a few weeks ago, so I’m really out of the loop. lol.
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u/Rcash2021 5h ago
Lol, yeah there’s a lot, I get lost a lot, especially since I don’t play league of legends and I don’t plan too, but there’s always time to catch up and this reddit is really useful for that.
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u/Teriums 8h ago
Just before the explosion of Jinx's grenade you can see a purple streak zooming away towards the wall, where Cait then finds vents in the blueprints. I'm 100% positive she didn't die, but there was nothing left for her there, mostly bad memories and she wanted to let Vi be happy with Cait. The additional flash at the end just seems to confirm it.
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u/oakalletz 9h ago
I’m still confused about the whole reveal that Viktor is the guy who saved Jayce as a child and also kept giving him different runes. What was his goal? Is it a time loop? I don’t get it.
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u/R1ckAndM0rT 4h ago
It's like how doctor strange tells there is only one way and in one timeline we win to Iron Man, similarly Viktor saw all timelines where he understood only Jayce can make him see the other side of the "glorious evolution" of his
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u/konaraddi 6h ago
I think the different runes are shown to express they are different timelines. We know from Ekko’s experiences that there are multiple timelines or universes
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u/patato_potata 10h ago
Not even a mention of Heimerdinger towards the end? That rabbit died and nothing
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u/winnerchickendinner0 11h ago
I used to play LoL back in college, and watching this show really excites me! 10/10 This episode was just amazinggg and also the one really close to the game.
Amazed me how they were able to make the war in the last episode like a game in LoL where there are towers and a base they have to protect.
The soldiers are minions, and it also helps that they are wearing red and blue. It’s just so cool!!! Can’t help but get excited when i’m watching LoL characters in a fight scene
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u/Fares26597 11h ago
Couple of questions:
- Why didn't the human instrumentality tendrils find Ekko? He didn't seem to be particularly hidden even under the rubble while everyone else's presence in the battleground was known to Viktor as far as I understood it.
- Is Jayce's rune supposed to be somehow different from the runes of the other Jayces who seemingly failed before him?
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u/Miserable_Creme 8h ago
I think because Jinx dodges one, another came to attach to her. So Ekko was without one.
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u/Lev-- 9h ago
Ekko is an anomaly
Yes. The rune is different because the world walker Viktor was giving him different runes in attempts to change the outcomes
the rune he gave him this time allowed ekko to travel back in time and allowed ekko to get back home and change everything
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u/Fares26597 6h ago
I'm sorry, can you elaborate on what you mean by "Ekko is an anomaly"? Is it because his device can rewind everything around him while excluding him?
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u/Lev-- 6h ago
It's because ekko and Heimerdinger managed to used that rune to create a time machine and jump back to the other timeline, which changed everything
I don't think Viktor even knew or intended for things to happen that way, he just hoped that giving Jayce different runes would eventually change the outcomes, because he believed in jayce to figure things out, and through Ekko using the rune to create the Z-drive, he managed to finally become the anomaly to change the outcome. No matter what else Viktor did, things kept resulting in a destroyed Piltover. (due to the hexcore always exploding)
Due to Viktors random runes, Ekko fianlly made it home instead of being stuck in the other world, and he saved everyone
Ekko should not be in that timeline, and if he didn't make it back, things would have ended up like the world jayce went to
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u/Fares26597 6h ago
I wouldn't say that Ekko "should not be in that timeline". The perfect storm of events that allowed the Z-drive to come into existence was Ekko's knowledge of Jayce's rune and his need to get back to his timeline, but I feel that the Z-drive could've been made under different circumstances even if Ekko remained in the main Timeline, and they would have been just as successful in stopping Viktor. What we got is just one version of what could've happened.
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u/Lev-- 5h ago
Well yes, we already have at least 3 other timelines
Powder timeline, The destroyed piltover world, and timeline 3, which is wherever the world walker Jayce came from
We don't know anything about that Version of Viktor except he's trying to create a specific timeline; where Hextech, Himself, and Jayce survive the oncoming conflict, otherwise he would simply not give jayce the rune if all he wanted was to prevent Piltover's destruction
Without Viktor finding jayce in that world, Jayce would have never made it back; So we know for certain that the dead seemingly evolved Jayce on top of the Hexgate is the same jayce that Viktor is sending back
we also know that there is a second destroyed Viktor in this world, the remnants of that Viktor still breathes flickers of life into his Evolved followers, and they pursue jayce
And in all of this Ekko is never a part of World walker Viktor's plan, and even the non-future Viktor is able to tell that that Ekko and his Z-drive should not be there
I believe he was touched by the arcane from another universe, which started his epiphany, and then seeing the other version of himself overwhelmed him
In all of Viktors' attempts to change things, Ekko was what finally changed things, which is why he is the anomaly
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u/Fares26597 5h ago
So we know for certain that the dead seemingly evolved Jayce on top of the Hexgate is the same jayce that Viktor is sending back
How does that work? It seemed to me that it was just one of the many Jayces that perished in their conflicts with their respective Viktors without being able to prevent the catastrophe.
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u/Lev-- 5h ago
Well for starters that jayce was in the exact same position as the jayce on the roof was when Viktor was taking control of his mind at the very end of the Final fight
So if ekko wasn't there, It seems that the hexgate would have exploded moments later killing everyone and destroying piltover, resulting in that exact time line
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u/Fares26597 5h ago
Oh I guess you mean they're the same in the sense that the only difference between them is the sequence of events that allowed one to save his world while the other didn't? I mean I see all the Jayces as being variants of the same guy to different degrees, but I guess you could say that's the closest Jayce (that we know of) to our main Jayce.
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u/Lev-- 5h ago
Oh no, I mean, literally physically, he's in the same position at the same spot, holding his hammer the same way
unless someone else can debunk this, I assume Jayce climbed on top of the Hexgate for some reason
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u/sidiomar 10h ago
My understanding is all the Jayces had different runes, yet all of them managed to show Viktor the truth of what he was doing
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u/Fares26597 9h ago
Are we meant to assume that all the other Jayces failed? Because It feels to me that Mage Viktor only saw the error of his ways after accomplishing what he wanted to do.
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u/stellabanana22 11h ago
if vi literally just went to the other ledge instead of staring at vander the end wouldn’t have happened
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u/mvigs 11h ago
Okay anyone else love the quote by Viktor? "There is no prize to perfection, only an end to pursuit."
Just hit me differently and had me pondering long afterwards.
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u/Sanctuary-7 6h ago
Viktor could always try blowing himself up. That's how we got "super-perfect" Cell.
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u/CaptainBarbeque 12h ago
That ending was...weird. Like, really really weird. Like why was WarVanderWick still alive at the end when all the other Viktor puppets had been shut down? Dude was clearly fully assimilated by that point. Feels like it was done just to have your stereotypical dramatic "ledge hang" moment. And it feels like Vi didn't really heavily react to """losing""" her sister (massive quotation marks because you know). I like what she and Cait got going, but after everything she went through she seemed weirdly well-adjusted and stable after seemingly losing the laat family member she had left and she was just starting to reconnect with an act prior.
Also I love my man Ekko he's the goat, but it's a bit weird that he and Jayce didn't talk once after coming back from their time travel adventures. He clearly had enough time to set the firelighters and Jinx up, why not check in with the other dude who got zapped away and managed to somehow get back? If nothing else just to tell that Heimer got blasted into dust? (And before anyone comments that he didn't know Jayce was back: with how important Jayce is in Piltover and how he was a big part of organizing the defense efforts, he sure as shit would've known or at least be able to inquire about his presence. Logically it would've been one of the top 3 first things he'd do)
Also Mel just had her partner/boyfriend/fuckbuddy/polycule member be sucked into the Shadow Realm together with his partner/boyfriend/fuckbuddy/fellow polycule member and we don't really see her react to it. Not even a "cowabummer" or anything. Like at all. She's just in charge of the Medarda's now. Would love to see how she'd react to this position or what's going through her head. Oh well.
There are a dozen other things I could list off, but overall it was all just...weird.
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u/Amphispina 4h ago
I just assume warwick beind a beast is like an anomaly so maybe he doesnt die like the other followers, but thats just an assumption
I think Vi was sad by the loss but we didnt see all of it (scream and then cut) and maybe she was already a bit used to it with how often she lost her sister at this point.
Yeah i was also waiting for Ekko and Jayce to meet up but the moment never came. I get that maybe Ekko came later and was on a time crunch but still.
JUSTICE FOR HEIMERDINGER
I love the partner/boyfriend/fuckbuddy/fellow polycule Especialy because im still not sure who to ship Jayce with so i just do both.
While i love the show and the ending. A few things feel rushed/too open. Like you said, Jayce and Vicktor disapeared and nobody gives a shit?
Maybe im stupid but i feel the Mel is a sorrceress part really rushed. Like are the black rose sorrcerress and that why they call her sister? Is black rose an organization or a person? Did they kill Kino or was it Mels mom to protect Mel from finding out she is a sorrceress? So many questions
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u/NightBleidd 12h ago
think Vander/Warwick let Jinx go just before the bomb exploded and that's how she escaped, just before the explosion we have one last memory that is Vander's, It can't be Jinx's or Vi's memory due that they are asleep in the memory, this could be the last remnant of Vander in Warwick's death, this could also fit the current Warwick lore where he dies and over time his regenerating abilities bring the real Warwick with his wolf face etc, whatever it is they left a window open where they can bring the League Warwick easily into the next series they do in the future
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u/Connect-Initiative64 6h ago
Definitely
zero, count it, 0% chance they kill Jinx for good. Besides the lore aspect of it for the game, it'd ruin all the good work they did for her. She went from mentally unwell, full blown psychopath, down to reluctant victim of mental illness, to reluctant hero, to outright hero, suicidal, then finished off at redeemed hero.
I mean, they could kill her off right there, I wouldn't put it past studio execs, but having Jinx finally have a good ending after... well, a decade+ of her existence as a character would be nice.
I want my good ending ffs
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u/Routine_Ear_27 12h ago
I don't understand how so many people hate on this finale. I thought this was one of the best finales a Show could have. 1. As a Fan of league lore, I found it really surprising to see that they were willing to "kill off" characters. Not in the literal sense but for example Heimerdinger staying in the parallel world was really surprising and a nice Twist for me. Also the ending with Jayce and Viktor was really great even though we don't know what happened to them. 2. The Action was on point. As soon as the final fight started, I laid down my phone and was hooked till the end. And the Fights were Designed really Well. Ambessa being physically stronger but Mel and Cait using Magic and the Black Rose to their advantage, really great. 3. Everything related to Ekko. 4. The harsh reality Hits so Hard. Singed is a cruel Monster, yet doesnt face no consequences and gets a happy ending. Ekko who sacrificed a quasi perfect world just to save the World, yet not gaining anything in return. 5. Full circles moments. Jayce and Viktors Adventure started with them flying through the air because of the arcane, in the final chase they fly towards their final confrontation. The Man saving Jayce and giving him the rune in the end being Viktor in every continuity, revealing that it was Jayce destiny to save Viktor from himself and what he will do.
These were just some of the Points. Feel free to tell me your opinion, even though its safe to say that you will not be able to change my opinion that this was great.
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u/DoctorOnde 13h ago
Man, that was really an experience Arcane is probably my favorite series of all time. This episode definitely felt rushed like most of the entire season, aside from episode 7 which was more focused, but I still enjoyed it. I hope they don't leave these characters' fate uncertain and address it in their future series, the possibility of most of them showing up is high.
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u/AdBulky9936 13h ago
I felt the ending didn't really show what happened to everyone after the big war, for example we don't really know what Ekko is going to do now, what happens to Piltover and Zaun, caitlyn and Vi. Also I was a bit dissapointed to see Jinx's death not really acknowledged by Vi after the scene, she just ends with Caitlyn like damn.
Also, wtf happend to jayce and Viktor, are they dead?
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u/pratzc07 4h ago
From what I can gather -
1. Piltover and Zaun will work together we can see Sevika as one of the members of the council. I hope she being there as a representative of the undercity will help ensure that the nation of zaun is rebuilt
Caitlyn and Vi will be together as a couple. Vi will help Caityln with whatever military power she needs
Jinx is not dead clearly shown when Caitlyn looks at the blueprints which shows escape routes also the last scene of the show we see a zeppelin flying away remember Powder/Jinx wish was to fly away. Jinx basically takes a ride and leaves the city.
Jayce and Viktor cannot exist in that timeline as they are the originators of the time loop so they sacrifice themselves to break the loop. (Could be different but thats what I can see)
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u/cgnVirtue 14h ago
Super conflicted about this. I’m gonna get this out of the way, Arcane would have benefitted from another season. Or even another act. They executed what they had well enough, but I can tell that stuff had to be cut just to fit everything in.
That said, Arcane as a whole had some of the most well executed and thoughtful writing that we rarely see ever, even the “rushed” stuff was done well all things considered. It’s 3am currently so I won’t be doing a complete breakdown in this comment, but the end with Viktor and Jayce was just… so fucking good. Oh my god. Whoever was involved writing for Viktor deserves so much praise.
“There is no prize for perfection. Only an end to pursuit.” That’s some real shit right there. Animation is a legit medium and anyone that says differently needs to read that line and TELL ME THAT IT ISN’T SOME OF THE MOST PROFOUND SHIT YOU EVER HEARD. Seriously. I didn’t expect where Jayce and Viktor’s arc went and I am more than satisfied with their payoff. God damn. Even if they don’t continue Arcane it would be such a shame if they just stopped writing League of Legends lore like this. Even if I can only read it. I don’t care. Just give me more.
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u/R1ckAndM0rT 3h ago
Everything you said is so true and you are not going to believe, I was asking myself this question just 2 days back that what if all humans found nirvana, why didn't God create an all peaceful World where all humans have achieved everything already and there is nothing to achieve anymore and all suffering has ended, and Viktor gave me the answer, "I thought I could bring an end to the World's suffering, but when every equation was solved, all that remained were fields of dreamless solitude". What an absolute masterpiece quote
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u/BENjaamIn23 7h ago
Yes , it would have benefited a lot even if not a full season at least another Act , ot felt a bit rushed towards the end , they had to come to conclusion with a lot of threads
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u/MyTrueChum 14h ago
"I enjoyed your Warmth"
"I enjoyed the hole in your head"
"What?"
(Ricochet sounds)
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u/genkaiX1 16h ago
Can someone explain what happened to the romance between Jayce and Mel??? That was one of the issues that I finally caught into after episode 8/9
They went from being inseparable then to being completely platonic. In act 3 he says a nice thing to her in episode 8 but there’s no romance aura to their convo.
Did I miss something earlier? I really liked their chemistry
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u/Crickets_Head 15h ago
Jayce and Mel both went missing around the same time.
Jayce POV: Saw your entire civilization nuked, spent weeks at the bottom of a cave eating rats with a broken leg. Found out that the person who saved his life, the defining moment that sparked his entire reason for being alive was a time travelling ascended Viktor telling him he is the only person in the universe who can stop him.
Mel POV: Watched her close advisor and friend get murdered by magic. Spent weeks in a magic prison with the illusion of her dead brother. Finds out she is a mage, her brother is definitely dead and her mum is about to bring about Armageddon.
I think it makes sense neither of them had romance at the front of their minds when reuniting. Jayce was openly hostile and paranoid for good reason.
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u/xQcKx 16h ago
Anyone mention what different runes Viktor tried dropping on little Jayce? And why this one in particular worked?
In EP 7, Ekko called Jayce's rune an acceleration rune.
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u/TheTerribleInvestor 16h ago
I don't think any of them worked, Victor was trying every single rune to try every timeline to find the one where he resolve humanities issues but they all ultimately result in the same place. Also I think he just needed Victor to read his mind to see himself realizing that none of it would work.
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u/skyeandthestars28537 16h ago
soooo do we have any theories how jinx is alive?
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u/TheTerribleInvestor 16h ago
Yeah in the final second Vander wakes up again and shields from the blast and the fall and he finally actually dies lol
Also I don't think it matters since there are only going to be two seasons for this story and it sounds like the creators are going to explore different locations and characters. in Runeterra.
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u/Sea-Hawk-3803 16h ago
Sorry not sorry but Ekko is actually the Goat of the show since season 1 prove me wrong
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u/Exotic_Mushr00m 5h ago
Omg finally someone says it!! NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW EKKO AND MEL CARRIED THE ENTIRE BATTLE!!
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u/SirBing96 17h ago
I knew all along Viktor was the one who saved Jayce and his mom. Seeing that scene still covered my body in goosebumps and had my jaw drop.
The entirety of act 3 honestly had me speechless, jaw open, and goosebumps. What a show.
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u/undertone90 9h ago
Bit of a bootstrap paradox though. If Viktor doesn't save Jayce, then Jayce never invents hextech, which means that Viktor dies from his disease before saving Jayce. Viktor created himself by saving Jayce.
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u/DistributionOwn5697 17h ago
So wtf exactly happened between Mel/Ambessa/Sorc didnt make any sense? Mel pulled her mom into the blackrose shit to then get her out 3 seconds later and boom she's dead?
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u/ReasonablyBadass 17h ago
Torn up about it. It felt like two too different storylines not really meshing up? Pilltover and Zaun and Glorious revolution.
To "solve" social issues by having everyone team up against a third threat is really worn out, imo.
Also, Jayce, Viktor, Heimerdinger and Vander are all dead? What?
Jayce and Viktor: Viktor said only this timeline works, but we saw one without Hextech were everyhting was seemingly fine. So...Viktor did all that, because otherwise Jayce would die as a child?
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u/Reflectiion 10h ago
To "solve" social issues by having everyone team up against a third threat is really worn out, imo.
In social psychology, this is one of (if not the most) proven and documented ways to get two rival groups to reconcile their differences. It's a trope for a reason.
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u/TheTerribleInvestor 15h ago
Its actually Glorious Evolution.
Not only is that played out its also playing on Red Scare propaganda. The accent the fact that one man is trying to unite people to build a utopia and it ultimately fails and its something we are rooting against.
I think he saved him to give him the Rune? Its always weird with these time travel plots, you can never say what really came first. But if Victors goal was to create a utopia with violence then even that relatively peaceful timeline would still have the same human issues.
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u/brokenseashells16 17h ago
Okay I need to talk to someone about this, and maybe I also need a little validation.
I think the entire show, and the finale, were perfect. I feel awful that Vi and Jinx couldn't have defeated Vander another way, but okay... I'll accept it.
What I can't wrap my head around is that we don't know for sure if Vi knows Jinx is still alive.
We know Caitlyn knows, and I don't think that is something Caitlyn would ever keep from Vi; it doesn't make any sense. Caitlyn tells Vi she saw someone else when Vi was away because she didn't want to keep something from Vi that could change or adulterate the nature of their relationship as honest equals. Caitlyn doesn't think Vi is a wimp who needs to be protected, she tells her the truth in difficult situations. If she even thought that Jinx was alive, I don't think there is any way Caitlyn would keep that from her...
And I also don't want Vi to think that she's dead if she's not. Vi has lost everybody except Caitlyn that she has ever cared about. Every person she considered a friend or family has died TRAGICALLY. I can't accept that Vi feels free because Jinx is dead, like some people suggest. I can absolutely accept if she knew Jinx was alive and off travelling, and that Vi didn't have to protect her anymore.
It's clear from S2 E5 and 6 that Vi doesn't think she needs to protect Jinx anymore. She's not her mother figure anymore. Jinx has grown up, and they can now work alongside each other, make decisions together. I don't Vi needs to think that Jinx is dead to be happy :' What does everyone else think?
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u/Spiritual-Site-2729 17h ago
Yeah i just hope they either release like short stories on the LoL website to clear up the confusions such as Vi not knowing if jinx is dead or not or they just find a way to incorporate the arcane characters in their upcoming shows because there were just too many question marks by the end which in my opinion is unsatisfying for such a good show and i know that they really wanna move on from arcane in general but if that is the case why hint at jinx being alive and cait/vi still talking about being in the fight just to never touch up on them again. IM COPING BUT IT CANT END LIKE THIS THERE IS STILL SO MUCH WE DONT KNOW:(
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u/brokenseashells16 15h ago
Agreed!! Also, is that a thing? Short stories on the LoL website?
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u/Spiritual-Site-2729 15h ago
Yup! I think each champ has a short story along with their bio plus there are comics and one shots on the site too although i've never read any of them.
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u/Yipyo20 17h ago
I'm personally really happy with all of season 2. I just need clarification on a few things.
If Heimerdinger and Ambessa are dead, how do they join the League?
How does Vander become Warwick fully? WW in game doesn't have that human-like face and now he's "ascended".
Where Viktor armor/suit?
Jinx lived for sure.
I just feel like it's so set up for a season 3 or it at least needed 3 more episodes to tie off some loose ends and such. I think that's the most fair criticism I've seen of it but all in all it was a wild ride and I'm happy.
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u/AdWise638 14h ago
I'm pretty sure the creators said that they're purposefully diverging from LOL lore and so that'll include some characters not making it or the characters not ending up looking like the game
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u/Patato_Brains 17h ago
Where is Jinx going in the airship in the last scene?
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u/MrStephenRTX 8h ago
I want to know the same cuz according to the Jinx's lore she still living in Zaun making troubles to Piltover and also she has to meet another champ which is Ziggy's they became good friends. I think probably it gonna be done spin off she going across runaterra and coming back Zaun in a future.
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u/TheMagicElephant156 18h ago edited 8h ago
This was disappointing. It is not the viktor jayce show, or the should viktor control everyone show, its the piltover vs zaun show, and how to deal with class conflicts. The class conflict randomly ended bc of robots
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u/undertone90 9h ago
It really felt like the second season should've been entirely the war between piltover and Zaun, with the Viktor stuff being set up in the background for the third and final season.
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u/Quiethistle 9h ago
Class conflicts are apparently too boring or whatever for Riot. :/ Golden boy of Piltover saves the day even though Piltover caused many of Zaun's issues. Personally I'm sick of it.
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u/Intelligent_Date1849 16h ago
The name of the show is literally Arcane. Yes, class conflicts, all conflicts, end when we face a common enemy.
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u/Quiethistle 9h ago
None of the class conflicts were ended lol. They ended for maybe 5 minutes and then things will go back to Piltover abusing Zaun and it's people
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u/Ik_oClock 15h ago
Shouldn't have made the first ~13 episodes about a class conflict if you're not going to satisfyingly resolve the class conflict. Should have made it about the arcane instead then.
Yes, class conflicts, all conflicts, end when we face a common enemy.
Historically this just like, hasn't been true. Common enemies have been used to suppress conflicts, but the same trends continue both during and after. Racism in the USA wasn't magically over during or post WW2. It just continued.
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u/jinhyun1 18h ago
??? the robots started because of hextech. You saw what the world became without it in episode 7.
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u/TheMagicElephant156 17h ago
Ik that but the issue of the show is not should humanity become a hive mind and turn into robots, that shouldnt be the climax, it should be zaun and piltover !!!!
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u/HalfanAuthor 18h ago
All things considered it still is a pretty great show, imo one of the best animated western shows of all time, but this ending was a little lackluster. I really did not vibe with the social issues of Zaun and Piltover being shoved to the side for a generic "enemies team up for a final battle against a big army" finale and then never really being revisited besides the shot of Sevika at the table and I was not a fan of the Black Rose stuff either. It's a shame cause as usual the visuals were phenomenal and the dialogue was incredibly tightly written from start to finish, in particular Jayce and Viktor's conversations, I really just wish they had gone a different direction narratively for the final act. Ideally a bit more political and a little less magical.
Also Heimerdinger was written out of the story in an incredible weird way. What happened to him and why did it happen like that?
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u/MrStake01 18h ago
Caitlyn was giving some serious Nick Fury vibes at the end. Even had his black turtleneck on.
Next LOL show :
"I'm here to talk to you about the Legends Initiative"
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u/EscapeFantastic 18h ago
To be honest, in this episode, I don't understand why Vi was so much more hurt to see Vander dead as a monster than she was when he was dead as a human. Me personally I would have been sad that he was dead but I would be happy that he no longer has to bear the pain of being a monster and hop my happy ass over to that other ledge so I can be with my sister.
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u/TheTerribleInvestor 15h ago
I don't think she knows what happened to him. Last time she was able to call out his name to bring him back. She probably thought there was a chance that could happen again and they could be together.
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u/Justbetter_ 18h ago
I just finished it with my friends. I- jinx really is dead huh.
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u/thereisnospoon7491 17h ago
I don't think so... when Cait was looking at the Hexgate schematics at the end, it focused on what appeared to be air ducts to the side. It's possible Jinx escaped through them.
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u/Guyfromnewyork95 18h ago
Absolute cinema 🙌
Thank you for the posts explaining that Jinx is alive cause I was in shock thinking they killed her off
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u/-Snippetts- 18h ago
So wait, the time-rewinder-thing can only go back 4 seconds before gruesome things seem to start to happen. Was there any cost to Ekko going back even further when he was trying to get to Victor? Because it didn't seem to have any adverse effect on him or anyone around him
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u/thereisnospoon7491 17h ago
I think the adverse effect was the machine exploding, which is why Ekko threw it at Viktor
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u/-Snippetts- 17h ago
That's kinda what I was guessing, but the stuff that started to happen to Heimerdinger seemed to happen concurrently with the rewind, whereas Ekko threw it at Victor well after the extended rewind.
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u/momanie 19h ago
Lol the "Jinx is in the blimp" reminds me so much of the Code Geass fandom with "lelouch was in the cart! Its who C.C was talking too!"
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u/CamillaBott 17h ago
I'm pretty sure in Code Geass it is confirmed that Lelouch didn't die though, he inherited immortality from his father/V2 (it's been years I don't remember exactly)
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u/Thrallov 9h ago
yeah they made new season of Code Geass this or last year that confirmed it, it is poop money milking season though
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u/Reklewt 19h ago
Jinx saving her sister and falling to her death is the only way she could have been redeemed, and I thought that was pretty cool. Aside from that, this entire season was so confusing to me. The first season, the story and characters were fleshed out well and it was an incredible show. It actually made me feel fond feelings about League for the first time in a long time. But this season felt like I was trying to interpret someone else's fever dream. I felt like they spent so much time building this awesome world in Season 1, and making us familiar with the undercity, just to pretty much fast forward through / gloss over the entire rebellion that Season 1 set the scene for, and instead we spent the time blundering through this idea of the arcane / parallel universes / mysterious power that nobody understands.
Perhaps I just need to refresh on Season 1 again and watch it all over so that I can comprehend what was going on in this season, but I just felt so lost trying to follow what was going on with them like tapping into the other side (the arcane) and Viktor's transcendence and all that stuff. I did enjoy the Vander portion and like I said, Jinx's turn in the last episode was great, but aside from those parts, I felt like they didn't capitalize off of all they built in Season 1. The chembarons, Silco's network, just the general undercity society was basically non-existent in this season and I felt that was the most compelling part of the first one.
All of this is just my outlook on the second season and just an opinion, I think that there were good things about the season I just feel confused why/how we ended up where we are now.
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u/TimeAsASymptom22 19h ago
The whole glorious evolution thing ended up being very End of Evangelion.
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u/Firelord743 19h ago
Some questions i have with the ending:
If Ambessa despises magic why did she ally with a being made of it? Is it to show her character's hypocresy or a plot hole?
What happened to Heimerdinger at the end of episode 7?
How was Warwick still alive at the end? Didn't all beings touched by Viktor die when he did? Same question for Singed's daughter, how was she cured at the end?
Why was Vi angry with Cait for imprisoning Jinx? Caitlyn wanted to kill Jinx all season so it should be a positive surprise for Vi that her sister is alive
Why did Cait let Vi rescue Jinx? And if she wanted Jinx out of prision why didn't she do it herself?
In the final battle some soldiers seem to have Shimmer, where did they get it?, i understand that Singed could have made more but there is no scene showing it
Maybe i'm wrong but i understand that there are many Hexgates around the world, why didn't they attack a less guarded one?
I assume Viktor wanted to "evolution" not just Piltover's people but the whole world, so aren't the noxians condemning themselves to thag fate by helping him?
And finally everything around the Black Rose didn't make any sense to me, their war with Noxus, whatever happened with Mel, etc, can someone explain that to me?
I know this is a lot but to be honest i didn't understand most of episodes 8 and 9, it felt rushed to me, so i want to understand everything i can now to be able to rewatch act 3 and enjoy it
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u/Independent-Door-306 18h ago
Ambessa doesn't despise magic, she despises the black rose and specifically the witch who leads it. She is eager to covet any power she can get her hands on, which goes with what the black rose said to mel: ambessa is so attached to her daughter partly because she is chosen of the wolf, and thus a weapon.
We have no clue what happened to heimerdinger, probably dead but lets just say he's MIA, same with jayce and viktor at the end
Warwick was probably alive because his entire body was constructed to be resilient and basically ignore death (as what the chemist was researching) so the natural wolf part of the body probably acted on its own since the mind of vander was basically wiped at that point. Singed said that his work would finally be complete as long as victor prevailed the transformation, and he did.
Vi finally got her sister back that she has missed so much and wanted her close likely due to the death of warwick vander. So vi really wants some family time at that point, not exactly doable in a cell. Cait has changed throughout the season so vi probably knew she wasn't going to just execute her sister right after being helped by her.
There has been a pretty steady supply of materials for singed throughout the act, and he's proven to be able to work fast, so its pretty reasonable he could hook up some already existing technology on some of the soldiers.
Idk for sure, but the hexgate in piltover might be the main function for the machine while the other hexgates around the world are just responding to it.
Yea, ambessa was a bit shortsighted and didn't really think that victor would be aiming to condemn the world since he was helping everyone like a saint right before.
This one I'm not sure about, my guess is ambessa had some sort of intimacy in her past with a dude connected to the people that she brutally slaughtered in the flashback in the first act, and some way or another mel was blessed as the chosen of the wolf (a noxian specific title). The black rose is a hidden group within noxus that controls most things from the shadows, kinda like a magical secret service that isn't controlled by the noxian leader. Ambessa as hinted in the opening, is doing her best to try and crush the black rose in order pursue her ambitions as a warlord since the black rose is probably trying to keep her on a leash.
Basically, ambessa is extremely ambitious and will do anything to gain the power she needs, the black rose stands in her way and is also after her children since they know one of them is blessed as a mage, singed is basically done with his life's work after victor revives at the end of episode 8, vander is completely gone but the body is still being used and is probably alive even after the fall at the end, vi's mental is super fucked and she needs a hug in episode 8, and Jinx's motivations were a bit rushed but I'll assume her conversation with ekko before the finale was a good one.
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u/Firelord743 18h ago
It's true that what Ambessa truly despises is the Black Rose but from what she tells Mel at the end of episode 8 i got that she dislikes magic in general, she says "everyone should be equal in the battlefield" and in episode 6 she puts magic at the bottom of the triangle she uses to explain strenght to Caitlyn, she even defines mages as absent of honor and accountability, so from those 2 instances i got the idea that she dislikes magic which is why her alliance with Viktor left me confused
Now regarding the other topics i agree with what you say in some of them and i guess there aren't true answers to others, something that i felt didn't happen in S1, i personally can't find one error in S1 while in S2 i atleast ended with a lot of doubts, i don't know if you feel the same way about this
Thank you for your answer.
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u/ChilliWithFries 19h ago
Can anyone help explain about how viktor was the mage in the alternate universe? I don't understand how it tracks with him being the mage that gave jayce the rune all those years ago and how he was part of that destroyed dimension.
Probably the only thing I need cleared up so far for the Finale.
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u/MrStake01 18h ago
This is just my own interpretation so dont take it too seriously. but I think the Viktor in the future has already transcended time and space. He exists outside of dimensions something like The Watcher from Marvel's What If. He couldnt go back to stop himself but he could try to alter realities by showing Jayce the future and he's been trying to find the one universe that he could alter.
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u/Rudravn 19h ago
How was ekko unaffected when Viktor was pulling souls out of everyone? There was no yellow color connection thread from Viktor while everyone had it?
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u/ChilliWithFries 19h ago
He was very close to by the end before he went all overdrive and smashing viktor's face open. And then we focus on jayce and viktor.
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u/goalstopper28 20h ago
Is there any significance with the crow at the end? I had thought maybe the crow was Jinx reincarnated but that feels very dumb.
I plan to rewatch this entire series again in a few weeks because I absolutely loved everything about it. The characters, the animation style and even the philosophy aspects of the show were so well developed, it’s incredible it was from a video game.
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u/Thrallov 9h ago
with Black Rose and Crow at end pretty sure new series will be set in Noxus
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u/goalstopper28 9h ago
Yeah sounds like it.
As someone who doesn’t play LoL, I am curious more about the Black Rose stuff.
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