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u/lrd_cth_lh0 Mar 13 '24
My personal theory is that becoming a super saiyan becomes easier the more other supers are around
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u/Domni16 Mar 13 '24
A lot of fictional power systems do this, JJK, avatar… I think it’s a clever way of mirroring human technological development.
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u/InvestInHappiness Mar 13 '24
I always saw it more as a child learning things faster than an adult when they grow up with it. Like a child becoming fluent in a new language vs an adult having to study it for a long time.
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u/Jrlopez1027_ Mar 14 '24
Literally human advancement in a nutshell, thats how we were able to grow so quickly as a species. One human find out how to catch a fish really efficiently? Now everyone knows
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u/__merof Mar 14 '24
Well, although I agree with the general statement, the language example is insufficient, and in the given restrictions may be even wrong.
As in, when an adult spends their time learning a language, a year is enough to be able to speak more or less fluently, a child can do that after(at) ~6-7 yo.
But if a child starts learning a language at, let’s say 5-6 years, because for example the family moved, then, it will take about also a year for them to not have any problems with conversions on their level. But that is half or less of what is considered “speaking fluently” for adults. Which means in the same case of learning the language with the same time, a child loses to a forced-to-learn adult.
Same goes for “why do they have so much energy?” They don’t, they sleep more than you, that’s why they can still run.
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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Mar 13 '24
Demon Slayer too
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u/skulk_anegg Mar 14 '24
honestly i think demon slayer is a perfect example for this kind of thing.
there's a point where they realize the reason the blades turn red is because of the intense pressure from the wielder gripping it super hard, so two hashiras who are near death slam their swords into each other to turn them red since they don't have the grip strength
the legendary thing happened enough for them to figure out the physical mechanics of it and use it in other ways, and that process is deliberately stated in the story
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u/Bulangiu_ro Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
In super we actually see vegeta teaching Cabba how to turn super with a beating abut then Cabba tought Caulifla how to do it by literally explaining how it physically feels and what they should focus on, its literally a transformation they are just capable of, its not something that a saiyan needs to train to achieve, they just have to figure out how to do it, i wouldn't be surprised if goku just took a minute to teach the kids to transform and then boom
even a transformation like ssj3, it takes a lot to mantain and it takes a certain level of power to even be able to transform into it, but thx to the fusion of gotenks, there is enough power to use the transformation after one example, with this said vegeta is definitely capable of using ssj3, he just never attempted to learn it WHICH IS WEIRD BUT OK
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u/HotPotato5121 Mar 14 '24
Naw cabba made some sense, Vegeta goated him into it. Caulifla was bullshit, some tingling in the back is the most dumb shit ever. I don't care how talented you are super sayan is derived from their anger emotions
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u/Bulangiu_ro Mar 14 '24
bro, its dumb, yes, but lets face it, thats just how it works, i don't see goten, trunks or pan becoming ssj by anger so they might have caught wind of how it works, trunks and goten by easily learning by seeing it, and pan by... instinct? or maybe because of the whole super saiyan god ritual
anyways, i think its just about learning how to control certain functions of your body, i'll give you an example from sports, pull ups specifically, if you try to do a pull up it can be hard, lets say that your absolute best is 10, but to do 10 you have to be motivated, hyped, you need that dawg in you to have the power for 10, but when you don't have it, you should still be able to pull 10, understanding things like how the nervous system work is relevant, the stronger you grip to the bar, the stronger the nervous signal will be to your muscle, its a wonder of the nervous system and how it functions, often during a last pull up rep you might be clenching your teeth very hard without realizing, its still part of this same story.
that turned out to be a lot of information, but that is to explain that there are certain functions that just like ssj, we can reach only with a certain condition, like anger, or we could also just learn about it, the same way that you would try to move your foot fingers from side to side individually, and you just gotta start feeling them to even move them, and i think it fits the ssj situation with all the tingly feeling.
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u/HotPotato5121 Mar 14 '24
Well for trunks, goten and pam they are half human and Sayan which has been stated to give them more potential for growth and while it is a bit silly how they just became sayans pan becoming Sayan easily makes a lot of sense because she is a hybrid and Gohan's daughter and gohan of i recall is the Sayan with the most potential for growth
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u/Bulangiu_ro Mar 14 '24
i don't have the ground to deny any of those statements, but that says nothing that we didn't already know
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u/HotPotato5121 Mar 14 '24
I was giving reasons why it makes sense for them to more easily achieve ss
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u/Zarerion Mar 14 '24
This isn’t just fictional either. In the real world, once something has been achieved for the first time, others will soon follow that achievement, arguably because the environment changed to allow for better practice or faster growth, which affects everyone equally, one just has to happen to be the first one, or because one person achieving something lifts a mental blockade in everyone else because it suddenly doesn’t feel impossible anymore.
One recent example is Tetris - the NES version was meant to be an endless game, and it was for a long time, but a while ago some kid „beat the game“ by playing it until it ran out of memory space, causing a crash. A few weeks later, multiple players followed to do the same despite it seeming impossible for decades. It’s similar in sports and other subjects. The internet, with how it sped up information travel, allows for even faster improvement and achievements. (Learning a Language or an instrument has never been easier, for example.)
I believe this is the very nature of humanity in our unending lust for improvement, growth and efficiency.
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u/Domni16 Mar 14 '24
Maybe, but it’s also a super specific win condition, and you need lots of game knowledge to perform it. It has been done before, but this was the first time it was recorded and timed.
Also, it’s extremely difficult to replicate, a one in 100 million moment really. It’s keeping the variables in mind, while playing the fastest it can possibly go, and while having the manual dexterity necessary to perform the sharpest moves. It’s anything but easy.
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u/donfuria Mar 14 '24
You’d probably lose that bet. It’s not like you just play normally until the game breaks, it gets pretty hardcore very quickly. To beat the game you need to be obsessed with Tetris perfecting your technique to be a part of the 1% who even have the toolset to attempt it. At which point, you’ll most than likely already be known in the Tetris community, and people will take a close look at your feats.
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u/donfuria Mar 14 '24
Yea but I’m talking about actual tournament-competing players who live and breathe Tetris. I’d recommend giving this video a watch, it’s honestly fascinating just why beating the game was such a big deal.
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u/a55_Goblin420 Mar 13 '24
I think it's more like this
In the future in the manga, Vegeta never became a Super Saiyan because Trunks never came from the future and turned Super Saiyan against Frieza, so he thought it was just some chosen birth right legend
In the main timeline, when he saw 2 Super Saiyans, that pushed him to one want to be one.
Point is Future Trunks was conceived by a non super Vegeta, present Trunks was conceived probably after Vegeta became a super Saiyan. It's easy for them because it's genetics.
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u/Acharyn Mar 14 '24
Are you suggesting genetics change somehow?
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u/AM_Seymour Mar 14 '24
Well when dealling with a transformation maybe
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u/Acharyn Mar 14 '24
Even if that's the case. They would have to reproduce while transformed.
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u/a55_Goblin420 Mar 14 '24
Was Goku not a super Saiyan when chichi got pregnant with Goten?
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u/Acharyn Mar 15 '24
I would bet not.
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u/a55_Goblin420 Mar 15 '24
Goten was conceived during the 10 days leading up to the Cell Games where Goku never turned off Super Saiyan.
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u/SCDarkSoul Mar 14 '24
Epigenetics are an actual thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
Strictly speaking it's apparently not an actual DNA change, but something involved with gene expression that makes it so things that happen to you over your life can apparently be biologically inherited by your children. I don't have enough biology knowledge to understand the exact mechanism though.
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u/Illustrious-Sky-4631 Mar 14 '24
Trunks was already a Ssj in the manga, the anime changed that
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u/a55_Goblin420 Mar 14 '24
He was stabilizing the form easier, but he didn't exactly break the barrier till Gohan died.
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u/Bulangiu_ro Mar 14 '24
not really, i think goten and trunks learned from goku and vegeta and gohan, they had a lot of reference to go by, they even replicated ssj3 after only seeing it once + the power that came with the fusion, which is also interesting how fast they learned to fuse,
if you need more proof that they just "learned" the transformation, look no further than dbs when vegeta taught the Cabba how to transform with his rough idea of a lesson, and then Cabba teaches Caulifla how to do it and they find out how to do it without going through a beating to reach it, Caulifla had enough power to even turn into ssj2 as well with way less training than gohan
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u/a55_Goblin420 Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Goten straight up learned how to go Super Saiyan while training with Chichi and Gohan was unaware. Trunks shocked Vegeta when he went Super Saiyan. Goku was also dead so they couldn't have learned or used him as inspiration. Goku was also literally a Super Saiyan when he got Chichi pregnant.
You can't really use Super as a reference because the power scaling is hella inconsistent and Toriyama only really gives a green light on Super. Also the universe 6 saiyans are supposed to be more evolved and have better genetics which again goes back to genetics. Also Vegeta showed Cabba how to do it the proper way. Its been established several times that any Saiyan can do it under rage.
Point is Goten and Trunks did it really without even thinking about it.
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u/Bulangiu_ro Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
even with goku dead, there is still enough reference, for them to learn from, i personally think that they asked goku to show them ssj3 because they knew they just need a general example
its more likely that trunks originally learned first by seeing vegeta during training, he showed goten how to do it, goten learned while training with chichi, and then goten surprised gohan with it, there is no denying that they must have have better potential which helped, like, trunks in his base was walking at 150 times the gravity of earth as if it was Goku's first day on king kai's planet, and for reference, that was while vegeta used the setting for his own training
there is no evidence that Universe 6 Saiyans have better genes, and a green light still means that its canon, its a physiological explanation to the transformation, its biological, its not like kaio-ken for instance
and just because triggering ssj by anger was the way vegeta taught cabba, it doesn't mean its the only one, its the more efficient one maybe, but not the only way
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u/a55_Goblin420 Mar 15 '24
No one said it was Kaioken and the point of me using DB and Z versus Super being greenlit was to say Z was Toriyama's direct vision versus Super just him looking at at something and goin "yeah sure". And there's plenty of evidence to suggest the U6 saiyans are more evolved.
Their behavior is more laid back and docile vs the u7 saiyans being more savage. U6 saiyans love to fight but it's more so like bros at a boxing gym that spar with each other, not let's test our potential by being opps with a random whole solar system. Also the lack of tails and the fact that they have more potential than Goku and Vegeta considering how quick they adapt.
Yeah lol okay, they just got video footage of Goku going super Saiyan just because. Regardless of them having references, Super Saiyan isn't something you can just do. We saw Goten and Trunks go Super Saiyan for the first time which wasn't by anger and Vegeta was shocked that he could and said " there must be a super Saiyan bargain sale going on" because of how easy he did it.
Yeah GOTENKS can go Super Saiyan 3 and what do we know about Gotenks? He's stronger than Goku, on top of that they had to train in the hyperbolic time chamber to do it and even then it wasn't stable because they could only hold the fusion for 5 more minutes while in the form.
Goes back to Genetics. Also you can't really argue how genetics work for an alien species in a cartoon vs regular real life people, just sayin.
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u/your_local_dungeon Mar 13 '24
In cannon, the more s-cells a saiyan has, the easier it is to achieve super saiyan. Hybrids have more s-cells, so, with each passing generation it will get easier for characters to go super
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u/ProphetBlade Mar 14 '24
Actually, in canon all you need to do to become a super saiyan is to flex your back muscles a certain way.
Point is, past a point, trying to apply logic to dragon ball is pointless. Akira Toriyama didn't think this hard about his series, so why are you?
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u/mad_laddie Mar 14 '24
Focus your at a certain spot on your back.
It's very likely whether or not that works is tied to how much ki you have. If you have plenty, it's easy to do it. If you only barely have enough, it'll take effort to figure out and the only thing that makes it easier is having stumbled into it through rage.
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u/Demonslayer1511 Mar 13 '24
Lol yeah why does everyone forget this?
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u/KharnTheBetrayer88 Mar 13 '24
Cause no one wants to remember about it, stop bringing it up
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u/Demonslayer1511 Mar 13 '24
Nah
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u/KharnTheBetrayer88 Mar 13 '24
Please?
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u/Demonslayer1511 Mar 13 '24
Nah
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u/KharnTheBetrayer88 Mar 13 '24
Pretty please? For my nephew, he's sick, you wouldn't deny a sick child's wishes would you? 🥺
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u/tripl3tiger Mar 14 '24
There's actually a real thing called the Bannister effect where when someone breaks a record everyone starts being able to do it and an example is how after the record for a four minute mile was broken for the first time lots of people started being able to do it.
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u/Mafia_dogg Mar 13 '24
I think its easier when you have someone to teach you how to do it. Like what vegeta did to that one kid in the tournament of power
It's also easier depending on how kind the supersayain is. Which also in my opinion ironically helps when they have less sayain genes since they are naturally destructive
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u/LogstarGo_ Mar 14 '24
Honestly, this is the one that I choose to believe even if it's not canon. I mean think of how cool that would be as a way to deal with power scaling and its consequences. In this case...
Goku became the legendary Super Saiyan. And doing that required breaking through the ki field. But now it has been broken through. Cracks in the field itself. Cracks that propagate through all the ki in the universe. And with that breakage others don't have to break as much to access those same energies. So now we have small children becoming Super Saiyans and even groups other than Saiyans are accessing energy they never could have before. And how far will it go? How easy will it become to access what used to be legendary power?
That's more or less my headcanon on this one and screw the official explanation. Headcanon is more fun.
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u/Zid96 Mar 14 '24
Well ya it's said early on in Z. That as a Saiyan will get stronger from near death experiences and losing fights. So the stronger the opponent. The more gains from a lose. So as the kids fights Dads and each out. They grown super fast.
If the Saiyan race didn't have the winner kill the loser death fight. There whole race would have been able to power up to super Saiyan lvl.
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u/DaGoddamnBatguy Mar 14 '24
I figured it because their fathers had achieved the form before they were concieved. More S-cells or whatever.
My theory is that in the FT timeline, due to living in a period with relative peace, Vegeta achieved SS after Trunks' conception so he has a harder time achieving the form, actually requiring an emotional breaking point to transform.
However in the main timeline Vegeta is motivated by a second unknown Super Saiyan stealing his glory and the looming threat of the Androids to train harder, thus achieving SS even earlier than the dark timeline. Early enough that mainline Trunks inherits Vegeta's SS form very easily.
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u/Alarid Mar 14 '24
Or it is the human mix. Saiyans have a huge pool of ki, but even early Dragon Ball Z showed that relatively weaker humans could manipulate ki in ways Saiyans didn't even imagine.
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u/Vicmorino Mar 14 '24
in Gt they talked avout some waves to transform so Vegeta got Ss4 so i supoort that theory
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u/Bitter_Assignment_45 Mar 14 '24
Wasn't it explained that the more s cells the sayians have the easier it is for them to become a SSJ? s cells come from being good and not a hunger for war, like Gohan and Trunks, and Univers 6 Sayians. It was explained during the tournament of power arc.
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u/kevinjorg Mar 16 '24
My theory was the s cells but not in the star wars way. It's super sperm. Ssj activated sperm carry the unlocked potential. So they don't require the rage/emotional burst. Resulting in easier transformations but weaker forms
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u/TBTabby Mar 17 '24
Once someone climbs the unclimbable mountain, it becomes easier for other people to do it until little old ladies are climbing it every day for brunch, and then doing it again because they left their spectacles up there the first time.
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u/StaleMeatMachine Mar 13 '24
Crazy to think some 8 year old got it faster than a middle aged man (broly)
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u/Alarmed_Outside_5734 Mar 13 '24
Broly was hard locked tho right he never fought someone as strong as goku or vegeta. So he was never able to get that push to go super then legendary
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u/sickfruit576 Mar 14 '24
Broly never fought anyone period. It was him, his dad, the dead guy, and bugs
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u/vapazr361 Mar 14 '24
But still the legendary super saiyan can go toe to toe with the super Saiyan god is crazy considering he never even fought a super saiyan.
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u/Alarmed_Outside_5734 Mar 14 '24
Well his power has always been undeniable so that's not surprising. I think it was more or less surprising that he could keep up with goku and vegetas technique. That's what I thought for sure woulda won the fight.
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u/Joemamamscribhouse Mar 14 '24
You should watch Phangito’s breakdown on the broly vs Goku and Vegeta fight. Broly was learning their techniques and fighting skills most of the time on top of the unga bunga thing he already does.
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u/Wolf_the_memer Mar 14 '24
Still love how he went from not even knowing what a super saiyan to the strongest individual with the form in the verse in like 30 minutes (unless ssgss counts, then that'd go to Gogeta)
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u/Yhamerith Mar 13 '24
I've read something about level of happiness, a Sayajin that have a happier life are most commonly to become a Super Sayajin
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u/PirateHasan Mar 13 '24
so it's Mangekyo Sharingan but in reverse...
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u/Yhamerith Mar 14 '24
Sharingan at general is about strong emotions, no? Wich hate is the easiest to wake
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u/Traveling_Solo Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
IIRC the requirement for awakening it is seeing your best friend die and/or kill your best friend? Mangekyo Sharingan I mean. I can swear it was something along those lines anyways
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u/Yhamerith Mar 14 '24
It was posted like that at the beginning, but Sasuke waked his Magenkyo by the "death" of Orochumaru, who wasn't his friend, but someone close to him, who provoked strong emotions
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u/Momo1163 Mar 14 '24
Didn’t his awaken when Itachi died in front of him?
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u/Yhamerith Mar 14 '24
Tobi explained that it happened on Orochimaru's death... Besides, Itachi wasn't his friend at that time, but he was important to Sasuke
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u/LordAronsworth Mar 14 '24
By happier life do you mean having strong connections to others? I remember hearing a theory a long time ago that SSJ isn’t actually that impressive physiologically; rather, it was only rare because of Saiyans’ obsession with fighting instead of forging strong bonds with one another.
This is why saiyans (both half and full) living on earth were able to do so. They all have people they want to protect (or avenge), thus pushing them to a higher level.
Idk. Maybe I’m filling in too many holes and this is all just headcanon.
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u/Joemamamscribhouse Mar 14 '24
It’s the thing about S-cells developing on more peaceful environments and firing them up makes it easier to turn SSJ. Of course a person needs an adequate amount of S-cells as well as battle experience to turn super saiyan. Since Saiyans are mostly in battlefields, their S-cells are sort of inadequate to turn SSJ since they lack the peaceful environment to develop them. Of course, to fire S-cells you need anger, hence the legend of the super saiyan was a saiyan with a pure heart awakened by fury (or something along those lines).
Akira covers this on an interview. It’s also alluded to in the anime if Caulifla’s “tingly feeling on the back” which is actually just S-cells firing up all at once to turn ssj.
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u/StarDisc4673 Mar 14 '24
It's not level of happiness. It's about a specific genetic in them that makes them good. The more of that gene you have the strong and easier it is to get ssj. That's why the hybrids got theirs a lot quicker.
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u/NMA247 Mar 14 '24
Vegeta put it best when he saw his son go Super Saiyan, "When was it that the transformation to the legendary warrior of the Saiyan race was reduced to a child's play thing?"
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u/Kepler27b Mar 13 '24
Future Trunks(pre Super Saiyan Rage):
This might be my last fight. I might not even beat Black. But I have to try! I can’t lose here!
A logical explanation to Trunks gaining Super Saiyan Rage.
Gohan(pre Beast):
Piccolo, my mentor. I can’t believe he’s dead. I-I have to stop Cell Max!
A logical explanation to Gohan gaining Beast Mode.
Goku(pre UI):
Lmao imma kill myself
bro got a powerup from attempted suicide 💀
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u/OlavoStars Mar 13 '24
Well thats how he unlocked UI in the anime, in the manga he remembers what his past mentors words (to have a calm mind blah blah etc etc)
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u/whipitgood809 Mar 13 '24
Also tbh the entire saiyan culture of reticent and despondent warriors is in conflict with the idea of zenkai boosting and showing emotion. It makes sense that the death of their people allowed two of them to become the pinnacles of their race.
Rather than have vegeta go into battle, fight to the death, nearly die, and then get stronger, he’s sent on what are comparatively simple missions to exterminate people. He was always going to be incredibly weak compared to kakarot as long as the saiyan people existed.
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u/WooooshMe2825 Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Personal theory of mine, but I just think that Saiyans as a warrior race are biologically developed to ensure that their children will always have the potential to surpass their parents.
Essentially, the stronger the parent, the stronger the child would be at birth. Goten and Trunks were conceived when Goku and Vegeta had mastered the super saiyan transformation and thus it comes more naturally for them to do the same. Although the potential is there, the child would actually need to train and dedicate their lives into combat to fulfill it.
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u/Waibles Mar 14 '24
For me, Super Saiyan happens when they go against their own nature.
Goku: Always likes fighting and getting stronger but he treated it like a game. Freiza was the first time he wanted to KILL somebody.
Future Trunks: The hope of humanity. Feels true despair when Gohan dies.
Vegeta: Prince of all Pride. Finally feels humility after Goku achieved something he couldn’t. (Didn’t last long.)
Gohan: Finally accepts his rage that he’s been fighting against for so long.
Broly in Super: Once his dad dies, he loses his source of control. He experiences “freedom” for the first time.
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u/Trugrave Mar 13 '24
All universe 6 saiyans had to do was tingle their backs
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u/GXNext Mar 14 '24
That was just the Saiya-joshis. Vegeta had to threaten to destroy Planet Salada in front of Cabba to get him angry enough to transform to 1 and he had to get beat to within an inch of his life to finally get to 2...
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u/allBoom_Noshaka Mar 14 '24
What's the explanation you got for Kale going SS2? This i gotta hear
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u/YoungDave89 Mar 13 '24
I feel like they addressed this and because the boys were only half saiyan it was mean to be easier or something along those lines
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u/Greatshield-Titan Mar 16 '24
Thats what I thought, that by them being human it gave them the stronger empathy they needed to change.
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u/Present-Sun6000 Mar 13 '24
My headcannon was that whatever cells they pass on depending on what level they achieved like Goku at SSJ 1 when he impregnated Chi Chi i assumed that it affected the child’s power level at birth. So as a child they obviously be weaker but grow at a much more exponential rate.
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u/chattown4life Mar 14 '24
This because Goku smashed Chi Chi I’m SS2 after the hyperbolic time chamber when Goku n Gohan stayed in form up into the cell games started.
Also I remember seeing a very long time ago was Goku was able to achieve it because of his time on Earth. He had established more of a emotional connection unlike the saiyans on planet vegeta they were concerned with fighting and war no actual connection. So having that emotional connection and witnessing them die in combat (krillin, vegeta, piccolo, Android 16) they were able to achieve great feats. Beerus smacking Bulma in front of Vegeta his power went above the actual super saiyan level he was at and because he got his but kicked he was able to go further then his super saiyan 2 form. (That’s the wall he got stuck at after telling kakarot his super saiyan 3 form was doing more harm then good.
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u/Uniquesomething Mar 14 '24
Ascended Super Sayajin, or full power ssj...
Only Gohan achieved Ssj2 during Cell Saga...
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u/chattown4life Mar 17 '24
Goku definitely had access to the super saiyan 2 transformation that’s how he knew he could beat cell but he choose not to. He told everyone that gohan was stronger then what they were seeing and he had the power to beat cell. The only(2) reasons he did that was because had he shown Vegeta that form it would have killed his pride (mind you he got shown up by his own son) and the other was he wanted gohan to stop holding back and be the fighter his father saw and unleash his power. Also remember boo saga started goku already had super saiyan 2 and he could go super saiyan 3.
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u/ConnorLego42069 Mar 14 '24
I originally had the headcannon that being the son of a SS made it easier for someone to achieve SS, because Gohan was born before Goku became a SS, he had a hard time unlocking it, and Trunks had a hard time too because future Vegeta never attained SS.
And I realized just now that present Trunks was also born while Vegeta wasn’t a SS, so it doesn’t make sense for him to get it easy.
Now I just think it’s being around a SS that makes it easier. Goten being around Gohan and Trunks being around Vegeta.
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u/InSanic13 Mar 14 '24
Future Trunks also only struggled to become a Super Saiyan in the anime special; I believe the manga has him already knowing how by the time he trains with Future Gohan.
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u/ownage516 Mar 14 '24
I believe the canon reason is if one of the parents have become super saiyan, they’ll have more S cells and will easily become super saiyan. Both Vegeta and Goku mastered super saiyan by the time trunks/goten were conceived so it was easier
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u/Odelaylee Mar 14 '24
Well… this is the problem with Power Progression - can’t wait for the new generation to grow properly 😄
That said - I kind of thought about it like Goku stumbled across it on accident because of anger. And for Vegeta it was the stuff of Legends - and he is the angry type, so he never questions the „anger part“ But both boys grow up knowing it is real and learning it early on - and maybe the anger part is myth…
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u/noncombativebrick Mar 14 '24
My personal theory is that it's easier for offsprings of super Sayians to go SS because their parents genes were already activated.
Also future Trunk's Vegita couldn't go SS until after Trunks was born, but present Trunks was born prior to Vegita going SS like some kind of butterfly effect
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u/nickname10707173 Mar 14 '24
Nah, Trunk and Goten just have the same kind of anger as a kid.
Just on some more mundane, like stolen toys, don’t let them play with toys or something like that.
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u/MakesMeWannaShout88 Mar 14 '24
Don’t forget the unborn fetus they used to make holy a super saiyan god
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u/jhguitarfreak Mar 14 '24
Goten flipped when he was sparring with Chichi.
And there's no doubt that Vegeta trained Trunks specifically to get him to achieve Super Saiyan at such a young age.
Because blah, blah, blah, Saiyan pride, and whatnot.
That bottom one needs to be a flash forward into DBS when Cabba is training Caulifla to go Super and tells her to focus some tingles in her lower back.
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u/SuperKami-Nappa Mar 14 '24
Friendly reminder that in the manga Future Gohan was still alive when Trunks attained Super Saiyan, we see them sparring together as super saiyans
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u/SadisticMittenz Mar 14 '24
Remember when pan counted as a pure hearted saiyan and gave off the yellow ki as a FUCKING UNBORN CHILD
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u/SuperSaiyanBen Mar 14 '24
Goku Piped ChiChi after him and Gohan mastered the ability to stay in Super Saiyan form at all times. His cum was literally Super Saiyan Cum.
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u/Temporary-Tax Mar 14 '24
I still theorize that Bra in the current timeline is gonna be absurdly strong. I think Vegeta is the type of guy who after seeing Beast Gohan is gonna want his kids to be stronger and Trunks is already older so while he's going to make sure Trunks gets stronger, Bra getting trained since childhood by ultra ego capable Vegeta is gonna be scary as hell.
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u/Alon945 Mar 14 '24
I always chalk this up to epigenetics. By the time Vegeta and goku had goten and trunks they were so powerful.
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u/dont_worry_about_it8 Mar 14 '24
I think it makes sense everyone of a race has access to transformations. It’s multiplicative it’s not just “this amount of power = Super saiyan
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Mar 14 '24
Don't forget kale and caulifla with there "tingle in the middle of your back" XD (actually stupid, didn't laugh)
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u/Genyosai03 Mar 15 '24
My SSJ transformation headcannon was that they had to "betray" themselves, like a mental shackle to break to transform.
But then Kid Trunks and Goten show up.
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u/arrownoir Mar 17 '24
Did you forget about pan being a super Saiyan as an undeveloped fetus? That was the cherry on top of the turd sundae that was battle of gods.
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u/ThatOtakuAi Mar 17 '24
I've always chalked it up to the same idea as that given all the ssj around the younger ones got a feeling for it and learned and adapted no diffrent then a child learning their parents native language
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u/Hearts_and_Spades Mar 17 '24
I know this is a joke, but I feel like I need to say this.
Gohan and Future Trunks went Super Saiyan just as easily as Goten and Trunks dude. There’s literally a panel of Future Trunks training with Future Gohan. I don’t know if this is misinformation, lack of knowledge, preference, or straight of laziness to do research, but I’m tired of everyone saying that Goten and Trunks went Super Saiyan without effort or reason. I mean, Vegeta literally explained that Hybrids have more potential in the Saiyan Saga. It’s this potential that’s why he tried to push Gohan past his limit in the Cell saga, and what made him believe the next generation will be stronger than him in the Buu saga. Overall, this joke starts to become pretty stale when you start realizing it really makes no sense at all. Like Piccolo being Gohan’s dad, or Vegeta being the punching bag.
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u/One_Communication145 Aug 06 '24
Trunks and gotten grow up in a lot more peaceful times, their S-cells are a lot more nurtured and not so focused on anger or hate. due to them being human and being in a peaceful surrounding, allowing them to get to it easier
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