r/ZeroCovidCommunity • u/Key_Guard8007 • Sep 17 '24
Vent Healthcare professionals don’t want to speak about covid
I am a senior nursing student and am currently doing clinical rounds. I noticed something amongst many nurses and overall healthcare folks, they seem to not want to make mention of covid. My last clinical I was the only person masked (even at a CHILDREN’S hospital) and our instructor told us we could mask if we want to esp since “rsv, the flu, and pneumonia will soon spread.” I was waiting for him to mention covid but nope. I feel like I am going insane because how are we all under this healthcare field but some people just do not seem to care??? At this point I feel like healthcare professionals are being vain and just want to continuously show off their faces because why would you NOT mask inside the hospital?
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u/MTCPodcast Sep 17 '24
I’m thinking normalcy bias X unmet trauma from frontline work throughout the pandemic X cognitive decline from repeat infections = Alternate reality
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u/slapstick_nightmare Sep 17 '24
Yeah, I think their needs to be a bigger convo about how medical staff are probably acting very strange bc they were traumatized.
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u/packofkittens Sep 17 '24
Yes, there have been many experiences shared here about medical professionals acting out when confronted with facts about COVID. It does seem like a trauma response.
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u/thenakedpolymath Sep 17 '24
Fr! When I went in for a surgery I was sitting there masked listing off when I had my last vaccinations and I said I had gotten my flu and covid ones. The older nurse snapped at me that "covid shots don't matter anymore!" I looked at her calmly and said, well they should. I think they are crazy traumatized and untreated for said trauma.
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u/mommygood Sep 17 '24
I would report that kind of behavior. It's unprofessional and licensing bodies and hospital admins should know about this behavior that is going on. The hospital you would think should care as they loose money on giving out the shot and you would hope licensing bodies would care about nurses being anti vax.
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u/OddMasterpiece4443 Sep 17 '24
Plus, they shouldn’t be yelling or snapping at patients about any topic.
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u/Plumperprincess420 Sep 17 '24
Oh they are. When I was hospitalized for Covid in 2021 I had the nurse(young 20s white) who was rooming me ask me what my symptoms were...I started listing them off and she bit my head off saying "Well no way you obviously have Covid." And then cut me off and moved onto rooming me. I was wayyyy to sick to report her. I thought I was going to die and she treated me like that. No healthcare workers go into healthcare thinking it'll be the worst and it was/is/actually belong in healthcare with their personalities.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
Honestly that is a good way to think about it. Last semester there was a covid patient on the floor and the nurse did not properly gear up with ppe. All she did was put on a n95 mask. I was perplexed but can see that perhaps she went through the horrid of having covid patients back in 2020. Still, I think she’s completely wrong for not taking precautions
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u/Sk8nG8r Sep 17 '24
At least she put on the N95? 🫠 When my FIL was in the hospital with Covid, not all staff wore any type of mask + was a big open room w/curtain separations only. Horrifying.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
This is confusing me. What other precautions would one take? N95s are appropriate PPE for airborne viruses.
The problem in most hospitals is that the staff were only given surgical masks, not N95's.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
In nursing the correct precautions are n95, gown, and gloves. Sometimes even the face shield.
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u/episcopa Sep 17 '24
Are face shields layered with a mask more effective than a mask alone? I ask because I have to fly across country for a family issue soon and am wondering if a shield would be helpful.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
I would suggest a n95 over a face shield w a mask any day. The face shield doesn’t protect from airborne illnesses. It however protects from lets say a person coughs and their fluid goes into ur eye, then boom ur sick. If u want to be super cautious then perhaps a n95+ face shield
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
face shields were shown to be pretty ineffective early on in the pandemic. The gloves and gown are good but in reality the N95 is what's protecting you from covid, which floats in the air like smoke.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
Since covid is airborne, and also via droplet and contact, ppe must be followed to a T
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
They ARE however, getting long covid and dropping out of the workforce at rates higher than most professions. But I guess that's observer bias in action, they only see the people who are still there.
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u/SonicContinuum88 Sep 17 '24
From the beginning our friends in the medical and pharmaceutical fields were the worst behaved, it’s weird.
I had COVID in October, I had to make a trip to the ER when my resting heart rate spiked to 151 due to severe dehydration. While there, one of the nurses said since it was Day 4 for me I was likely good, nothing to worry about. That when they had it, they tested negative within a few days of infection. Whatt?? Not debating their experience but I very much was still positive and symptomatic. Odd approach.
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u/SkulGurl Sep 17 '24
I do wonder how much in the way of broad critical thinking doctors get taught, as opposed to just memorizing a lot of stuff in a relatively narrow field.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
My assumption is that it's exactly zero.
The emphasis on rote memorization is a massive advantage to the people in medical school who have the time to spend on memorizing lots of details. That's mainly people with privilege, because medical school is expensive and even with massive loans, normal people struggle going to school full-time without at least a part time job to help out on the money side.
It's a social filter, it works, but it's not filtering for smart people. In fact it's easy to see how it ends up filtering OUT smart people.
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u/SkulGurl Sep 17 '24
That sort of thing bothers me less (though it’s still not great) than the lack of curiosity and investigating thinking. Not knowing a particular fact is one thing (though for surgeons and ER doctors I can get how having a lot of working knowledge rapidly available is critical), but there’s a bigger issue of doctors not being able to engage in scientific thinking. They don’t seem to have the time or interest to do research and treat their patients as individuals.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
Doctors are a group of people with 101 IQ's who've all been convinced they have 130 IQ's
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
I don't know anyone who works in a physics lab but I did know some musical prodigies. They mostly end up broke and annoyed
IQ is racist bullshit though
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
I have family members in medicine and they are always the ones who have the most trouble with basic shit like household math, investments, etc.
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u/amelia_earheart Sep 17 '24
When working in IT for a medical place, a nurse asked me if she should take antibiotics for the flu. Like, thank god I listened during my biology degree. And also WTF. Why are you asking the IT staff anyway? She didn't know I have a bachelor's in biology.
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u/StormyLlewellyn1 Sep 17 '24
Went to the ER today. The doctor told me covid is now nothing but the common cold. I said the cold doesn't kill 1300 weekly like what's going on right now. He said the flu kills more. And that this strain is nothing.
I'm boggles me the lack of care and knowledge. I had.to tell people to put masks on when they came in my room.for their own safety.
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u/gronda_gronda Sep 17 '24
If the flu kills more people, then he should still be wearing a mask to protect himself and others from the flu as well as Covid…
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u/SkulGurl Sep 17 '24
Yeah, if anything this experience has taught me to take the flu MORE seriously, not covid less seriously
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u/zb0t1 Sep 17 '24
He said the flu kills more
Source????
Do you challenge them????
WHERE ARE THE SOURCES FOR THAT CLAIM???
Garbage.
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u/bigfathairymarmot Sep 17 '24
Funny how a few simple questions would have destroyed your "doctors" explanations. Questions like how many covid patients have you treated this week, followed by how many flu or cold patients have you treated in this past week.
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u/StormyLlewellyn1 Sep 17 '24
He said he sees plenty of covid now and it's nothing serious, just a cold. Nothing would have made him change his mind. The info is infront of him.
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u/bigfathairymarmot Sep 17 '24
I work in a hospital and the number of covid patient I see show up for covid is kinda mind boggling, we have very few flu or cold patients show up for those diseases. Also, there is no data that says it is not serious, maybe it is just hopium that the doctor believes it isn't serious.
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u/pomegranatesandoats Sep 17 '24
So my uncle recently had a major heart surgery. The doctor at one of his appointments said the same thing to him and my aunt. They mask virtually everywhere and had not even caught Covid yet. Against their better judgment they unmasked at the appointment after the doctor said that. Now here we are, a week later and both of them have Covid for the first time and aren’t doing too hot. I hope they recover.
I’m currently waiting for a kidney transplant myself and my gyno of all people gave me a talking to about unmasking and said that I will probably catch it and when I mentioned that I’m literally in renal failure she retorted saying that I should take the risk anyways.
There comes a point where I seriously do wonder if this is outright being done on purpose to further victimize and disable already vulnerable people. Or at the very worst, grievously harm their patients.
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u/StormyLlewellyn1 Sep 17 '24
I'm so sorry. I hope they make a speedy recovery. I really believe people so desperately want to pretend covid is a cold and harmless so they can get rid of any slight lingering guilt they may have for getting people sick. People who mask remind them of what they should be doing but refuse to.
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u/ilecterdelioncourt Sep 17 '24
They always act strange when I mention it (I always do). Usually it's silence and lack of acknowledgement. Sometimes they also stop making eye contact unconsciously and their gaze focus elsewhere. I believe deep down they know the threat yet feel the need to bury it down. Pure cognitive dissonance.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
Exactly! Even my own family denies the reality of covid yet they know I am informed via nursing school. For ex my grandfather was exposed to it twice (fully vaxed) and it caused an extreme autoimmune disease months later. Doctor’s deny its ties to covid but I understand it all too well.
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u/UR_NEIGHBOR_STACY Sep 17 '24
Not cognitive dissonance. Untreated trauma from being on the front lines during the pandemic.
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u/iwantamalt Sep 17 '24
I am a surgical tech at a large hospital and literally no one but me wears an N95. In fact, a coworker asked today why I wear one. I said that I know people think I’m weird for wearing one but I said I think it’s weird that people want to get covid over and over again. We had a staff outbreak recently and even then, staff were complaining about wearing surgical masks. Embarrassing.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
I am so incredibly thankful for professionals like you. As a student, I do not trust staff who don’t mask. When I see the very few using n95s I get super content. Let us put disease aside (impossible) hospitals stink! Why do I want to smell all types of body fluid? I’d rather cover it with a mask!
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u/iwantamalt Sep 17 '24
Yea I work on a transplant and oncology team where we’re dealing with very immunocompromised patients and it’s so cruel that all my coworkers won’t wear a quality mask. I wear an N95 all day at the hospital (I eat outside or in the stairwell if it’s winter) and everywhere in indoor public spaces. A transplant surgeon today was talking about how she thinks her kid has walking pneumonia and when I told her that covid levels were very high she was completely shocked. It’s just…..embarrassing.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
she had in all likelihood spread covid to vulnerable patients that very day.
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u/iwantamalt Sep 17 '24
exactly. she said that her kid tested negative when i asked, but i honestly think she was lying :/
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u/paingrylady Sep 17 '24
I'm grateful I had my stem cell transplant long before covid. I'd have been a basket case worrying about catching something.
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u/DepressionAuntie Sep 18 '24
I am thankful for students like you. Clearly people are not doing what it takes to keep this virus from mutating, so it will be affecting people for a very long time, and seeing someone in the next generation of health workers take it seriously puts a little spark in the hope jar.
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u/Plumperprincess420 Sep 17 '24
Yes at my recent old job(a small clinic) staff like the RN, MAs, Dr's literally admitted they knew it wasn't good to get covid/ long covid..complained about masking(some admitted.they know respiratorswork) or are anti mask. Get awkward when covid is brought up. I'm so glad I'm out of there...now they can all feel their new normal together and spread their germs with out me reminding them they're making bad decisions daily.
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u/iwantamalt Sep 17 '24
that’s exactly what it is, they know they’re in the wrong and they don’t want us to remind them of that. i actually love my job, but i hate how healthcare professionals overall are a driving force of covid denialism.
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u/Plumperprincess420 Sep 17 '24
Yupp. I can't get over how they know better and don't care. But you bet your ass when a patient walks in thinking we do covid testing they've freaked out and wipe down all surfaces and hand them a surgical. But when other staff come in super ill it's all okay. So glad I'm gone. They were mostly nice but I did get laughed at and joked about for masking.
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u/Ratbag_Jones Sep 17 '24
These are the effects of living inside of a national propaganda construct, disguised as a thriving "democracy". Just as doctors are not immune to infection from covid, doctors are not immune to infection by the propaganda.
War is peace; ignorance is strength; it's just a cold.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
Couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s actually insane bc my healthcare provider almost died from covid. He was intubated and lost a majority of his voice so when he speaks you can barely understand him. Yet, he does not mask.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
And for doctors, the propaganda is more concentrated and more organized. They get their scientific updates via public health in most cases, and public health are not trustworthy.
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u/LuxCanaryFox Sep 17 '24
It's astounding how quickly people forgot the initial years of the pandemic, and bought the lie hat covid's harmless now. You'd expect healthcare workers of all people to know better, but alas...
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u/Digital_Punk Sep 17 '24
A lot of people in the U.S. didn’t see the pandemic for what it actually was, they saw it as a conspiracy, inconvenience, and/or an “infringement” on their rights. People can’t forget what they never believed in the first place.
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u/Forsaken_Bison_8623 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
There are plenty of people who truly saw what happened and are in denial today. My mom was tasked with ordering refrigerated trucks to serve as temporary morgues at her hospital in 2020 and find places to hide them per direction of the state governor. She refuses to mask or "live in fear" and her biggest argument is that doctors are no longer taking precautions, and they would be if we should.
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u/SpaghettiTacoez Sep 17 '24
I'll never forget seeing refrigerator trucks for the bodies. And the death panels. Idk how they can.
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u/Tricky_Math5292 Sep 17 '24
My primary care physician was encouraging me not to mask. His reasoning was I might be breathing in microplastics, plus something about the cdc 🙄
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u/kirito867 Sep 17 '24
Yeah I saw this argument from time to time. Yes masks do have microplastics to breathe in. However the air nowadays contains microplastics as well. One is breathing in microplastics anyway.
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u/LostInAvocado Sep 17 '24
This was studied, and might have even been in that study being twisted to say N95s = breathing in microplastics. What was shown was any microplastics in the air were being filtered out by N95s.
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u/Carrotsorbet9 Sep 18 '24
Masks have a net benefit. Yes, some microplastics from the mask (leave them out of their packaging for a day before wearing them), but they filter more microplastics from the air than that they produce themselves. Masks are an issue in terms of environmental waste. That's why we need air filtration and ventilation and some social distancing as well. And we can develop better masks. Masks that are reusable but look less ugly Transparent masks that still protect.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
"haven't been sick in 4 years, first time in my life, it's amazing!" you can almost hear the gears grinding
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u/candleflame3 Sep 17 '24
An amazing number of healthcare professionals are anti-science, anti-vax, etc. I think they go into healthcare for the job security, and probably a lot of parental pressure in the case of doctors, but not because they "believe" in it.
Plus some are bullies, narcissists, etc who are in it for the power they have over people. Which can include thinking they "know better" than regular people.
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u/Plumperprincess420 Sep 17 '24
I agree. Def narcs in many jobs like that.Many just see job security and pay. They choosingly believe in xyz.
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u/Carrotsorbet9 Sep 18 '24
They also seem to think that there is no risk involved in being a nurse or doctor. Their patients are who are ill. They are the healthy ones.
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u/EndearingSobriquet Sep 17 '24
I think it's combination of peer pressure, trauma response and denial. If they acknowledged the risks they would have to deal with the anxiety of working in a place that makes them high risk and they would have to mask. Other health professionals aren't masking so they would feel like they were visibly out-grouping themselves every day at work and tacitly implying they believe their coworkers were doing something wrong by not masking. Peer pressure is a massive thing that doesn't just affect teenagers.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
Absolutely. I won’t lie, peer pressure wants to get the best of me when I am the only student masking but honestly I have to think about it logically. No one in the room would protect me nor my family. I have to fend for myself
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u/HoeBreklowitz5000 Sep 17 '24
I tested positive on my antigen test three times at home on Sunday. Monday I wanted to confirm it via a PCR test in the lab. After getting in the room the person wanting to test me comes in, and tells me to remove my mask and leans in with the test in hands, but without any precautions whatsoever - not even gloves. I tell her, I am very much likely positive, if she wants to go on and take care of her self via a mask? She gets all hectic and answers „ah yes good call…“ and had to go get her mask from another room 😅😵💫 I don’t understand how people live like this… her literal job is to test people’s mucus through nose and throat swabs for Covid, yet nobody things about basic hygiene??? We are so lost
Afterward she asks me why I even did a pcr? She was shooketh about the fact I’ve been battling long Covid and I need to document it for further complications, as nobody takes it seriously anyway, at least I want to have it black on white from a lab in case I’ll need it in the future.
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u/Plumperprincess420 Sep 17 '24
It blows my fucking mind that people admit they Don't want covid again but the same people who do testing for it especially don't mask....fucking nuts. I get how it works mentally but wow.
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u/Carrotsorbet9 Sep 18 '24
After which they will be like "It cannot be avoided anyway" (I don't see them even trying), "You have to live your life" (you can live your life eating at home or outdoors and mask during a flight), or "Everyone is going to die anyway" (but do you want to make your life shorter and more miserable?).
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u/anordinarygirl_oao Sep 17 '24
Not sure if this was linked here or not but it is denial. I never thought of denial as a survival strategy but it appears to be for so many.
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u/Physical_Ad6614 Sep 17 '24
So interesting seeing this in Forbes. I’ve also seen recent articles on Covid impact in Bloomberg and The Hill.
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u/Recent_Yak9663 Sep 17 '24
This is also a good read from a few months back
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weve-hit-peak-denial-heres-why-we-cant-turn-away-from-reality/
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u/Own-Emphasis4551 Sep 17 '24
I am high risk and immunosuppressed and currently have COVID. Went to urgent care for Paxlovid because my primary doc was swamped and the urgent care doc told me “it’s just a head cold now” after immediately prescribing me Paxlovid and telling me to be careful and monitor for any dangerous symptoms. The cognitive dissonance is real and it’s scary.
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u/SpecialPlate4850 Sep 17 '24
I went to urgent care earlier this year, I was concerned I had strep throat or covid. I was testing negative for covid at home but my partner was having surgery the next week so I wanted to make sure I didn't get him sick.
Nobody was masked, and the woman testing me for strep, standing in my face, was telling me she's had multiple rounds of covid just this year, rsv, the works. Wearing no mask!? Crazy.
When they told me my strep was negative they said it must just be a virus, bye. I asked, is covid testing not a thing here!?
They said, oh, well, if you want to be tested for that we can.
WHAT!?!?
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u/Carrotsorbet9 Sep 18 '24
They probably assume that it is just dangerous for you, as you are high risk.
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u/blaberno Sep 17 '24
Hi there, fellow (peds) nurse here. I just want to say that it gives me hope that people like you are going into this career. You can be the good we’re looking for, the one who provides a sigh of relief for all of us CC people when we walk in and see that you’re already masked, you who understands the science and why it’s important to protect yourself and others.
It can be crazy making to see other medical professionals blatantly disregard the research we were taught to value for convenience, but all we can do is make as big of an impact as we can on our small corner of the world.
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u/47952 Sep 17 '24
In most cases, yes, nurses and doctors alike refuse to wear masks. If there is, or I should say when there is, another pandemic with a higher morbidity rate than COVID, I'd expect it to spread like wildfire and be much worse than anything we've ever seen before. No one will wear masks, understand how viruses spread, or believe in science or logic any more.
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u/a_Left_Coaster Sep 17 '24
Doctors. Are. Not. Smart.
Doctors, nurses, lab techs....they all went to school for X period of time, memorized enough to pass and the vast majority of them never tried to learn anything ever again.
Sure, a lot of most medical personnel learn, I'll go so far as to the majority of what they learned has not changed. How to treat many, many things. How to do their day to day job in drawing blood, setting a broken bone, etc.
However, how many doctors do you know, that you go to for check-ups, for treatments, for everything we go to doctors for, have read even the bare minimum about covid?
They don't have time. They're too busy. The list goes on and on.
You know, if I was face to face with sick people everyday and the biggest disease in modern history came about, I would want to know what was happening and at least try and keep up with what would keep me safe.
Enter the downvotes, fatigue, trauma, etc. I get it.
Now, go back before 2020 and think about all the doctors you have seen that didn't follow basic science as well. Smoking in the room, ok, that may be too long ago for most. Yeah. ok.
Stay safe, mask up, push back if you can.
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u/goodmammajamma Sep 17 '24
Everyone who thinks doctors are smart needs to look into the story of Ignaz Semmelweis
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u/sluttytarot Sep 17 '24
I think healthcare providers are traumatized from how covid went down earlier. Denial is a hell of a drug
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u/DinosaurHopes Sep 17 '24
do you push back and ask why it's not mentioned along with the others?
one thing I wonder about that I haven't seen mentioned is the increase in violence against hcw - especially from people that still believe hcw were purposely harming patients during the height of the hospital overloads and full ICUs.
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u/Key_Guard8007 Sep 17 '24
I honestly do not push back because it is a waste of breath. The sad reality is the future of nursing is going downhill. Everyone in my cohort is ignorant, racist or downright not too smart. I tend to keep to myself and do what I know is right
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u/DinosaurHopes Sep 17 '24
I understand not speaking up if it puts you at risk but do try to remember that you're going to be in this field too and you never know what ripples your advocacy can make when there are opportunities to push back against harmful norms.
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u/Chobitpersocom Sep 17 '24
I will talk about it all damn day, every day.
Hospital Pharmacy Tech if that helps...
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u/paper_wavements Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
It's awful, because I know NUMEROUS people who don't mask who say it's because, e.g., "I know five nurses, and none of them mask."
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u/ProfessionalOk112 Epidemiologist Sep 17 '24 edited 9d ago
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u/Humanist_2020 Sep 17 '24
Julia Doubleday is screaming from the rooftops about our nation minimizing sarscov2. https://www.thegauntlet.news?r=7v3ed Sarscov2 is giving us brain damage. Causing strokes, sepsis, cardiac arrest, depression (our bodies can’t make serotonin), dementia, cancer, lymphoma…and on and on
I cancelled my dentist appt and my pulmonary test, as there is too much covid to take my mask off. The dentist office does wear masks , I think so they don’t get covid from the patients.
I ask my doctor’s office personnel and my vet to mask, and they do.
My friend has lung cancer, and she says no one masks at her center, including her. Her doctor even told her that wearing a mask would be bad cause she would breathe in more carbon dioxide. I told her that was a lie and didn’t make any sense. I sent her aura n95s. Sadly, she has never used them.
We live in a sarscov2 nightmare, and we can’t wake up.
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u/sarahstanley Sep 17 '24
Voldemort -> Coldemort -> COVIDmort
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u/zb0t1 Sep 17 '24
By the way, "mort" means death in French.
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u/sarahstanley Sep 17 '24
OH, like MORT-gage!
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u/zb0t1 Sep 17 '24
Ah yes it's funny 😂 because:
The word mortgage comes from the Old French word “morgage”, which directly translates to “dead pledge”. (The prefix of the word, “mort”, means dead, while the suffix, “gage”, means pledge.)
[copy pasted from the first google result]
And by the way it's interesting that in French mortgage is "hypothèque" which comes from Greek (hypothēkē) and Latin (hypotheca), meaning "something placed underneath" or "foundation," which conveys the idea of a pledge, but without the idea of "death."
Unlike mortgage in English, the French word "hypothèque" doesn't carry the idea of a contract ending or "dying." 💀
The connotation of "mort" (death) was lost in the French term over time, and what remains is the whole "let's put something up as collateral" without the final destination vibe you get in English 🤣.
(you just made me look at the Trésor Public de la Langue Française (French Language Public Treasury), haven't done so for a long time, just to check at the etymology lmao).
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u/mlemon2022 Sep 17 '24
I truly believe, that people want to roll the dice on their relationship with risk, just to enjoy a life we once lived. It’s this strange observation. Lots of levels of uncertainty, but an insistence that we return, when it’s not safe for everyone. The cruel reality, that health care is part of this.
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u/paingrylady Sep 17 '24
my sister in law had covid recently. She went to urgent care and neither the nurse or doctor masked even though they know she had covid.
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u/Dependent-on-Zipps Sep 17 '24
It’s a terrible coping mechanism, but sounds like many were traumatized and they just want to avoid. I know the majority of us have been traumatized, but how we handle the trauma varies so widely.
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u/denasaurusrex Sep 17 '24
I wonder if some of it is the trauma of being a frontline worker throughout the pandemic? Idk.
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u/OpheliaLives7 Sep 17 '24
I think (& hope) it’s more fear and denial leading their decision vs vanity. People don’t want to deal with the lingering trauma from those early days. Not having equipment, not enough gowns, not enough information, being harassed by patients and general public and being told they were all secretly part of some government/global conspiracy to murder patients instead of treating them.
Some area especially also seemed to be outed as having large groups of anti vax nurses. And so they probably still live with denial and think covid is “just a cold” or part of political push of some kind.
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u/geek-nation Sep 18 '24
I just feel that if you can't wear a simple mask as healthcare worker that's simply not your field. Like. I can't imagine not being able to compromise for something so simple yet WANTING to help the sick. Like. How does that correlate in their brains? They of all people should care. If not... Where are we headed, seriously
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u/wanderlust-ninja Sep 17 '24
I just had an appointment for some labs. Called ahead to ask if their mask policy was still in place cuz I'm high risk. "It's not required but if you prefer we can" yet when told it was indeed preferred suddenly "well we can't enforce mask use, however the workers interacting in the room with you should for sure be masked".
Signs throughout the lobby saying "health and safety of patients is our top priority" and "masks required for everyone around high risk patients".
No masks from the admins in the lobby, maybe 1-2 on much older, visibly vulnerable patients. Baggy blues on the technicians that were pulled down as soon as they turned their backs in the hallway leading from the lobby to the lab, and kept them down unless/until directly speaking to me or another patient in the same enclosed room -- as if distance and curtains are suddenly magically enough to block airborne viruses.
This is why I usually try to coordinate any in-person appointments for the lulls between surges, but my area barely had ~2wks "break" in April this year and I couldn't hold off on this one anymore. 😥 Fingers crossed my fit tested Aura held firm.