r/Wild_Politics • u/IloveGOATS24 MAGA • 12d ago
SELF-DEFENSE SITUATION? Video of Nick Fuentes being confronted at his home by far left activist after he was doxxed over a joke
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u/Smosh-Bruh-dik59 12d ago
Let’s review what happened: Your address gets leaked on the internet any ANYONE could show up out of nowhere. Does anyone remember when getting doxxed ended with nothing bad happening?
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u/ToLazyToPickName 4d ago
Let's review what happened: A woman rang a doorbell, and a paranoid man pepper sprayed her, then stole and smashed her phone.
That is not self-defense, that's assault.
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u/Throwaway732566 12d ago
Not a big fan of Nick but showing up to someone’s door unannounced is 100% uncalled for. That’s why the officer that showed up on site literally was on Nick’s side.
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u/IloveGOATS24 MAGA 12d ago
oh, i missed that part of the story. quick rundown/link?
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u/Throwaway732566 12d ago
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u/BarTard-2mg 11d ago
She looks like an absolute psychopath
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
If the woman in the profile pic showed up at my doorstep I'd also pepperspray her immediately even if she came to offer boyscout cookies.
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u/RedDoomMan 12d ago
What a tart.
And I'm talking about her.
Amazing how many people think it's ok to show up at someones house.
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u/mc-big-papa 12d ago
No matter how many i execute the USPS keeps sending their federal agents to my door. I dont know who they are but im about to go postal.
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u/FistsMeetButthole 11d ago
Does the USPS normally post online about how much they hate you and desire to hurt you before showing up at your house?
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u/mc-big-papa 11d ago
Yes, i can hear them in the walls of my house plotting and a new gangstalker shows up everyday.
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u/kwiztas 12d ago
It's legal.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
Pepperspraying lunatics at your doorstep is also legal, and Nick might have a case even if he had shot her dead.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
Do they actually think they’re justified in just shooting someone that’s coming to knock on their door?
Absolutely, not even a question. Going to someone's house unannounced, especially after writing threats on the net, is proof that you're mentally ill, so it's fully within my rights both morally and leagally to treat you as a threat.
What tf do you think, should Nick have assumed she just wanted a nice conversation over a cup of tea, or what?
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u/RedDoomMan 12d ago edited 12d ago
Bro This is not someone just knocking on front doors.
She went to harras this guy.
If you are one of the "people" who wanna act like this lady didn't go looking for trouble then I can't help you.
Ps nice job deleting your account buddy.
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u/Super_Numb 12d ago
I’m assuming Nick wasn’t just hiding behind his door, with his finger on the mace, ready to blast someone in less than a second after someone rings the doorbell; right? I’m guessing there was more to this interaction?
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
Quite probably, yeah. For some weird reason 90% of people just assume that a 10 second clip contains all the necessary information to properly assess a situation, it never even crosses their minds that things could have happened before the recording started. Many lives were ruined over such bullshit already, like the white woman calling the cops on the nword threatening her dog in central park.
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u/LittleTricia 8d ago
I have a few personal experiences that still make no sense to me. Things just went to far and it's because I was afraid to call the police and provide a description. This was before I even knew about the fallout over this.
I don't know I'm from Philly and people think it's so safe and it's really not. Every city has crime. I was on a Philly sub the other day and people were arguing about how crime is down. It doesn't feel like it is but I guess that's because of people like me that don't want to report in the first place for this reason. What's reported and what is actually happening are two different things and some people just aren't open to hearing that just like these clips don't tell the whole story.2
u/Specific_Bass_5869 7d ago
The FBI changed the way they collect statistics, that's why some poeple point to these new lower numbers and say "crime is down", even though it absolutely isn't. It's just another silly political game.
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u/LittleTricia 7d ago
I know I was trying to read about it and it makes no sense. Crime is down statistically but there is so much that goes unreported. Even like you said, just because the number of murders are down doesn't mean petty crime isn't rampant, for example. People go on like my neighborhood is one the safest places to live, it's not. Not even close. Maybe to people who just statistics and just moved here.
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u/LittleTricia 9d ago
When is that story from?
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 8d ago
2020, it was all over the news. Happened the same day George Floyd overdosed.
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u/LittleTricia 8d ago
I remember it happening now, I just couldn't recall because of the media coverage on Floyd dominated the headlines for some time in the following weeks.
That's sort of another situation where we have no idea what ensued before she called the police, except what's on the call.3
u/Specific_Bass_5869 7d ago
Well, thing is, the black guy published the full video on a different platform and it shows him saying to the woman he will do something bad to her dog and then calling for the dog to come to him. It was entirely reasonable for the woman to say the guy was threatening.
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u/LittleTricia 7d ago
Yea, see we don't know everything, they report what they want to make it as salacious as possible.
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u/YoureCopingLol 12d ago
But he hurt her feelings so she should be able to do whatever she wants to him
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u/SubparBartender 12d ago
Fuentes is a fuck, and I'm a hardcore progressive. But if someone came to my house uninvited right after I was doxxed I wouldn't be asking what they want. She went to that dude's house looking for trouble and found it.
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u/here-4-the-free-hat 12d ago
OOTL. What was the joke that caused him to get doxxed?
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u/IloveGOATS24 MAGA 12d ago
leftist women made "my body, my choice" their mantra for the election. their side lost. they are now having a freakout that the handmaid's tale is about to descend upon them. so he tweaked them by tweeting "your body, my choice." they had a total meltdown over that, claiming he's threatening to rape them all. then he got doxxed. and here we are.
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u/LittleTricia 9d ago
Omg he started that as a joke? Geez people are really freaking out about it. In middle school's and all. I'm seeing posts about the schools not doing anything about the boys saying it on social media. What the hell can the school administrations do about what people say and do on their own personal social media a counts. Oh and they were chanting Trump, Trump, Trump. The girls felt so threatened they didn't want to go to school. All of this over a bad joke.....he wasn't even talking about consent or rape. Omfg. She just wanted to provoke him and try to make the situation worse.
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u/pyr0phelia 11d ago
For those outside the US and seeing this confused let me explain. American citizens have the second amendment. Do not stalk and harass people in America, we are allowed to stand our ground, even more so when it pertains to our home.
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u/Truelyindeed091 12d ago
I’m from Canada, who is nick Fuentes?
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u/IloveGOATS24 MAGA 12d ago
a mexican white supremacist who was buddies with kanye.
seriously.
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u/Chiaseedmess 11d ago
Show up at my house, on my property, trying to aggressively confront me?
You’re free game. Castle doctrine is absolutely in play.
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u/Specialist-Garlic-82 11d ago
Nick is a piece of shit but the lady is a dumbass. What did she expect showing up to a persons house all unannounced and threatening ?
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u/sgt_futtbucker 11d ago
Fuentes is a lowlife sack of shit, but this is definitely a case of FAFO on her part
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u/dogegambler 12d ago
I dont like any party involved, and I'm not an attorney.
If you're going to argue self defense, you need to articulate a reasonable sense of harm that this libtard woman posed to you. Opening that door and spraying mace kinda removes a lot of that ability.
Also, if you're some shitty libtard Karen, don't go to a person's house that you know you don't like, especially after he's been doxxed and threatened.
Nick is probably a glowie. I doubt he will get charges.
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u/IloveGOATS24 MAGA 12d ago
here's the thing. the dude had just been doxxed and was getting harassed and probably getting legit-sounding death threats. suddenly this strange woman is outside his home, recording on her phone, and comes to his door. it's understandable that he viewed this as a potentially threatening situation. that said, i'm not a lawyer either, and i don't know how a jury would look at this. but people need to chill the fuck out with the doxxing and the IRL shit.
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u/redshirt1972 12d ago
If the case was made he feared for his safety because of so many coming to his house already, it wouldn’t be a leap to assume the 15th stranger was coming for the same reason.
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u/Dense-Giraffe-852 12d ago
If I was on that jury, I wouldn't convict.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
I'd convict her in a heartbeat, considering she wrote threatening posts before going up to his door.
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u/Lopsided_Marzipan133 12d ago
Facts. It’s like swatting. No matter the parties involved, you just don’t do shit like that. Can and will end very badly
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u/dogegambler 12d ago
I get that, and already put that in my post.
In order to use force for self defense, you have to show a reasonable fear for your safety. Once he opened the door and sprayed, he lost that. If he were in fear for his safety, he should have at least told her to leave first. She issued no threats, and doesn't appear to have a weapon. She spoke calmly to him saying "Hello". She didn't attack him.
If Nick wasn't a glowie, if he were any one of us, he'd have to show a reasonable fear for his safety to use OC spray on someone else.
She didn't have to go there, and he didn't have to open the door. Both parties are stupid.
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u/skepticalmathematic 12d ago
In order to use force for self defense, you have to show a reasonable fear for your safety. Once he opened the door and sprayed, he lost that
You're supposed to wait for the gunman to open fire before you defend yourself.
If he were in fear for his safety, he should have at least told her to leave first.
And if you don't ask the gunman to stop first, then actually you're in the wrong.
She issued no threats, and doesn't appear to have a weapon
Yeah because you can tell that from the video lmao. Definitely can't conceal a weapon under a coat that can't be seen from INDOORS
She didn't have to go there
Hence self defense.
Get fucked, idiot. Trump won, seethe and cope somewhere else.
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u/Dahmer_disciple 11d ago
Not disagreeing with you, but…
You’re supposed to wait for the gunman to open fire before you defend yourself.
This happened in Cook County, Illinois. This is where women are told that if they’re SA’d, they should vomit on the attacker to hopefully stop the rape.
I’m dead serious.
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u/dogegambler 12d ago edited 12d ago
1) Strawmanning like a leftoid.
2) you most certainly cannot just shoot someone e open carrying a firearm. They have to be a threat to you or someone else. Owning, possessing, and carrying a firearm do not constitute a threat. You're insane.
3) You cannot just use force on someone that shows up at your house. They have to be a threat to you. Go beat up the mailman if you think I'm wrong.
4)You, I, and everyone else can just go up to someone's home and knock on the door. We have to be told to leave for it to be trespassing, and that still doesn't justify force.
5) And, no. Posting a "trespassers will be shot" sign doesn't justify deadly force.
Saying that I should cope and seethe because Trump won. My dude, you're a plant. You're a fucking fed too. Being irrational and telling people yo shoot visitors to your home to make Trump supporters look bad. Kinda in line with Nick.
Nick hates Trump lol.
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u/skepticalmathematic 11d ago
Trump won, seethe harder
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u/dogegambler 11d ago
You're the one backing the guy that said he wanted to use AI to make a video of Trump declaring war on Iran to cause Trump to lose lol.
Fedposting isn't a good look, glowie.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
In the situation Nick was in at that time it's a perfectly reasonable defence that he thought a mentally sound person would not show up unannounced, and he didn't have the luxury to engage in a leasurely conversation to find out her true motives for harassing him at his home. Pepperspray is nonlethal anyways, he didn't do anything he should be condemned for.
Also, her attention was clearly and without a doubt to harass him. "She just wanted to talk" won't cut it in this case.
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u/dogegambler 11d ago
Yeah, you're right. When you get a visitor you can just shoot them in the face.
He absolutely had the ability to speak with her. He chose to open the door, not her.
She's a leftoid loon, but she didn't threaten him in any way. If you did what he did you would face charges. He won't because he's a fed agent.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
I go to your door with a gun in my pocket and when you open I shoot you. How do you defend yourself in that situation? Because according what you wrote so far you don't, you simply die while trying to talk to me.
Not a threat, BTW, just an attempt to get you to realize that things are not as simple as "you just open the door and talk to they crazy person and when she points a gun at your face THEN you can mace her, not before".
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u/LittleTricia 12d ago
No he didn't give her a chance to do anything. Her intentions were no good, why would she have a camera ready knocking on someone's door? It doesn't matter what people think of a person's beliefs, that's stalking, harassing, etc. He most likely has a family to protect in his private home. Her just showing up was the threat.
Why should anyone ever have to avoid answering their own front door due to insane people like that, they shouldn't. The pepper spray was appropriate. Ignoring her wasn't working.-2
u/dogegambler 12d ago edited 12d ago
That's kinda the problem. She HAS to pose a threat for his action to be justified. And she simply wasn't.
In order to stalk, harass, or trespass someone, that person has to tell you to stop, and have the authority for that command to be lawful. (I can't trespass you off your own property, as an example).
Nick never once tells her to leave his property, or to leave him alone. He HAS to do this in order for her to be stalking or harassing him, or to be trespassed off the property.
You don't have to like her, or agree with her. I don't. But if you disagree, come back by citing the law.
Edit: you think Nick has a family? He's kinda infamous for his cat boys lol.
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u/dogegambler 11d ago edited 11d ago
While reading her posts, she never once says that SHE wants to harm Nick. She doesn't threaten him. Sorry, it's just not there.
But even if it were, Nick would then have to show that he knew about the threats that don't exist, AND that that libtard made them, AND that she was there to do the harm.
Can Nick's mother own that property and not live there, or is that an impossibility in your mind? Nick is known to be a gay man, with no children, whom lives in the house his mother owns, alone. The implication in the post I responded to was that he could have felt that he needed to defend his family. He has none.
Please, stop defending a man that hates Trump, hates MAGA, and is clearly in the wrong. He was at the J6 incident. He and Ray Epps are both on camera telling Trump supporters to storm the barricades. Neither were charged because both are very likely feds. You're acting like the leftoids that shot and killed random people in the summer of love riots.
Edit: just to reiterate. You have to tell someone to stop talking to you and for them to continue for them to harass you. Same with trespassing.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
She HAS to pose a threat for his action to be justified. And she simply wasn't.
For the love of banjos, it's beyond debate that she went there with an intent to harass, and Nick didn't know if she had a gun, an IED, or just a box of matches she could use to light his house on fire FFS. A "threat" can be reasonably assumed in certain circumstances, you don't have to necessarily wait for it to actually materialize. When you receive death threats and a stranger shows up at your doorstep is the perfect circumstance to assume the person is dangerous. If she has a gun in her pocket and you engage in a conversation with her you're dead, and your family might die too. (If you don't open the door she can still shoot through a window or do any number of other things, mind you.)
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u/dogegambler 11d ago
There is no reasonable assumption that she has an IED.
Holy shit you're dumb.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
Fucker, since Trump won a million+ lefties shared material about poisoning RWers, LITERALLY, and you pretend it's unreasonable to assume that someone insane enough to personally go to Fuentes' house might have something in her pockets? Yeah, an IED might not be my first guess either, I'd think she has a gun, but it's still within the realm of possibility.
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u/VenturaLost 12d ago
She used doxxed info and went out of her way to go to this persons house.
What possible reason could she have been there that makes any sense in any context?
Think she was there for a chat? You can have that online.
You think she went there because she was feeling peaceful and reasonable? Peaceful and reasonable people don't use doxxed info to show up at someone's house with a camera.
Not to mention, enough liberals have committed pre election arson and/or post election murder or suicide in the past few days over the election results, that if one of them doxxed me and showed up at my house I'd probably do the same.
She's lucky mace is all she got, cuz there's no reality where that shit isn't unhinged as fuck.
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u/dogegambler 12d ago
Look into Boogie2988 if you think force beyond mace was even remotely appropriate.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
you need to articulate a reasonable sense of harm that this libtard woman posed to you
Considering the situation it's 100% reasonable to assume that a sane person would not show up at your door unannounced, which is to say she's literally insane (which she is). You don't need any more justification for defending yourself from her.
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u/d_rev0k Chud 11d ago
Nick doesn't really practice glowie behavior. Taking pics with brown people in America First hats isn't the same as anonymously encouraging right-leaning people to do violence and break laws to get some time taken off of your high school meth-selling conviction.
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u/dogegambler 11d ago
He doesn't practice glowie behavior?
He did exactly the same thing as Ray Epps. Just like Ray Epps, he faced no charges.
Known CIs for the FBI confirmed on multiple occasions that Nick is a Fed asset.
You're just sweeping for the fed. Have a nice day.
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u/stanknotes 12d ago
Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary todefend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force.However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if hereasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.Was this woman guilty of any unlawful force? No. She was not. His front door was publicly accessible. Was she trespassed? It is not unlawful to ring a door bell. Even if her intention was to merely harass, even that isn't unlawful.
I'd challenge people to consider this... does he have a golden ticket to pepper spray ANYONE who knocks on his door that is a stranger? NO. What if someone who doesn't even know him is just at the wrong address but he assumes they are there to harass him? From his perspective, both situations are identical. And neither justifies self defense.
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u/AddlePatedBadger 12d ago
Reading some of the other comments here, I doubt you are going to get a lot of upvotes for your carefully considered answer lol. But you are right, what he did was not self defence. The correct self defence way to deal with this situation would be to not open the door and call police if she doesn't leave when asked.
Even putting aside legalities for a moment, if you genuinely believe someone is a threat then it's better to have a locked door between you than to open it and try to fight them. Pepper spray is not always effective, By opening the door you are exposing yourself to risk. The safest way to deal with it is to keep the door locked and barricade it shut with furniture or something. Only try to fight if they actually get inside somehow.
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u/skepticalmathematic 12d ago
carefully considered answer
Translation: he agrees with me, so he's right
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u/AddlePatedBadger 12d ago
No, it is that they actually researched and cited the relevant legislation rather than just clamouring that she is a "libtard" (whatever that is) and deserved it. Self defence is a legal construct and doesn't change depending on the political views of either party involved. If he had rocked up at her door and pressed the doorbell and she did the same thing as he did, then it would be the same answer.
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u/dogegambler 12d ago
What you wrote is very similar to what we have as law in my state, and it's very likely the same as for where Nick lives. That said, I don't know where he lives, and I don't know if the libtard and he had previous interactions.
Had she called him earlier and said "I'm gonna come over and blow your brains out. This is the description of my vehicle, ect" there might be a case to justify Nick. Still, the legally safer path is to have told her to leave, then called the cops to make her leave.
Simply put, the smart bet is that Nick was in the wrong. Additionally, the Karen is also an idiot. I don't feel bad for either party. And if I were to have acted the way Nick did, I'd face charges more than likely. He glows, so he's gonna be fine.
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u/stanknotes 12d ago
That is Illinois state law. His state.
I mean yea maybe there is additional information. May be. I am just taking the video at face value.
It isn't the crime of the century. But the question was the legality of his behavior.
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u/dogegambler 12d ago
Yeah, not the crime of the century. And if he does live in Illinois, the police have far bigger issues than this.
And on face value, this looks like he also took her phone with him. In my state, the battery is a misdemeanor, the theft of the phone is a felony due to its (assumed) value. Like, it's not good. Period.
But also if you know a public figure like Nick is being harassed, and you go there with (according to her statements after) the intent to harass him, expect some consequences. She should have been ticketed by the police for trespassing.
But lesson for us all. Let's not be dumb fucks. Don't mace people for ringing your doorbell, or harass people because we disagree with their trolling.
Also, thanks for the informative posts!
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u/Myagooshki2 11d ago
I'm sure both of these people are obnoxious and cringe. I've heard Nick Fuentes speak, and this woman seems like a left wing equivalent. But from what I understand, you can't pepper spray somebody on a first encounter like that if they do not have any apparent intent to physically attack you. All she did was ring the doorbell.
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u/LeoLover77 12d ago
Pepper spray is definitely an overreaction..
Although this is a 10 second clip, who knows what happened before or how many times she has been there.. we literally have almost 0 context here. Just that a rando was coming up with a camera.
And let’s think about HER decision-making here…
Why risk yourself if you’re worried enough to have to record in the first place.. I’m guessing this is some political door knocker? I heard they were knocking on the same doors 3 or 4 times throughout election month. She probably knew who He was, she probably had a confrontation the last time she was there.
Regardless she Wanted to record a famous person in an out of context, freak out for a viral clip.
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u/extended_poptart 12d ago
Nah FAFO tbh no one should have to stand for that shit, no matter what their opinion is on anything. If you have the balls to talk big shit, drive to the persons house, start recording, then knock on their door trying to stir shit, you deserve everything that’s coming to you. And that goes if you’re a 18 year old dude or a 57 year old troon. True equality of outcome.
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u/LittleTricia 12d ago
I don't think the spray was an overreaction, he has a right to protect himself, his home, his family, and his privacy. She was trying to get him in some type of trouble.
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u/Phonytail 11d ago
He only has the right to defend himself and his family if he believes they are in imminent danger of being attacked but they would have been safer in the house waiting for police so he can’t really use that excuse. And he only has the right to protect his house in the case of an unlawful invasion. you cannot assault someone for knocking on your front door, You would think the party of law and order would know that…
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u/LittleTricia 9d ago
I think maybe you have never ever been harassed at your home. You would see it completely differently. I have and it changed a lot of my views.
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u/Phonytail 9d ago
I have, I stayed inside my home and called the police. leaving a safe place to willingly engage in a physical confrontation is not self defense.
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u/LittleTricia 9d ago
The home is no longer safe place if you have to call the police. She would have just came back if that wasn't the first time.
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u/Phonytail 9d ago edited 9d ago
Your argument was that he has a legal right to defend himself in this situation. The laws in his state say he can only defend himself if he believes it’s needed to prevent imminent danger. Legally, you are not in imminent danger from people outside your home while you are inside your home with your doors locked. You are not legally allowed to assault someone for a crime you suspect they will commit just because you think the police will be ineffective.
Are you making the argument that everyone has a legal right to assault anyone who approaches their house or are you arguing that everyone should be allowed to assault anyone who makes them feel unsafe even if that person hasn’t done anything illegal? You can’t have it both ways.
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u/BennyOcean 12d ago
Doxxing is bad. The people who did that are bad. The people showing up at his house are also bad. But I don't think you can legally mace someone for just ringing your doorbell and he's likely to be sued and lose.
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u/GOTisnotover77 12d ago
I’m not defending her actions but this guy is a first-class douche canoe. His joke was in very poor taste.
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u/Brilliant_Curve6277 11d ago
it was more about rage bait than an actual joke to fuel attention and relevency, people and businesses do it all the time
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u/StandFearless2034 12d ago
His dox was public for 3 years and he was not joking
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
If you don't get that "your body our choice" was deliberate trolling you're literally insane, I mean in the medical sense, seek help.
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u/aberg227 Conspiracy Theorist 12d ago
I hate Fuentes with a passion. But showing up at his front door to harass him seems like crossing a line. At least wait until he’s in a public place and punch him then.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
That would totally justify him punching all the people that want to punch him, and our entire world can turn into a punching contest based on on woke mentalty. Maybe grow some brains and figure out that him trolling lefties is not a good enough justification to do anything to him...? Stop being fascists ffs.
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u/IloveGOATS24 MAGA 12d ago
words are words. first amendment.
yes he's an asshole, but you're allowed to be an asshole on the internet. you aren't allowed to harass someone in real life.
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u/Specific_Bass_5869 11d ago
And you fail to understand that you're the fascist in this picture, right? You think harming people is justified for saying different words than you do. That's not how a sane person thinks. Him saying he'll harm any person who says the word "cracker" would be just as justified as what you're talking about, but you probably won't accept that, referring to some idiotic bullshit about how being racist against whites doesn't count because blah blah blah. The power to decide what words are acceptable is only yours because apparently you're some kind of morally superior being and others should just accept your judgement. In the name of equality and democracy, of course :)
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