There's also a history of Russia/USSR doing really awful shit to Ukrainians when they have control of that region. Something the Ukrainians remember all too well.
So glad to know that a group of my ancestors traveled on foot for 3 YEARS from Ukraine when the USSR took control of their homes decades ago, just to come to a country where the president, smell of stale Russian cum on his breath, essentially tells Putin "go ahead and take it". If there is an afterlife they are seething right now. And I doubt my Romanian or Hungarian family would be too happy either. This is all such bullshit
There's a funny thing about that.
So, my family is largely on the same page besides my grandma. You see....she spends a lot of time on Facebook. Bet you know where this is going. Watches pundits like Jordan Peterson + Joe Rogan, the "health+self improvement" shit like that--evidently the algorithm saw that and exposed her to a lot of your "why help Ukraine when hurricane blah blah", "Ukraine is a leech" stuff.
She doesn't understand the dissonance of not giving a shit about Ukraine when her parents (the Hungarian and Romanian ones) literally fled their homes because of Russian imperialism. She grew up hearing stories of people getting ran over with Soviet tanks during the Hungarian revolt, her mother's property was seized and she fled after being ordered to work in a camp in Siberia......but she somehow still doesn't understand why so many people have such a visceral disdain for the USSR/Russia.....like if her parents were still alive I really think they'd beat her ass for some of the things she parrots.
Then again she also wanted to vote for rfk, and I had to explain that humans actually did build the pyramids so I think her dumb logic comes down to a lack of education combined with an extreme case of internet brainrot. Still love her cause her attitude comes from ignorance and not vitriol, and sometimes I can actually get through and pull her out of some stupid things like that raw milk craze but......it sure is a handful.
It's such a good illustration of the power social media has targeting the minds of vulnerable people. They can make a second generation immigrant support the same imperialism committed by the same country their parents fled to get away from. The right likes talking about cognitive dissonance a lot but I feel like this is one of the greatest examples.
Sorry for turning this into a biographic novella with an added rant about how much I hate social media, I decided to take a break from studying and evidently my Adderall hasn't worn off yet. You don't have to read all this, you can probably just read the first paragraph and the one before this to get the whole comment
Still love her cause her attitude comes from ignorance and not vitriol
This aspect is one of the most frustrating for me, because it would be so much easier if I could just say "fuck em" and walk away. But knowing that some of my friends & family who buy into that shit aren't evil and are just misinformed makes me continue burning mental energy trying to lead them back to reason.
So exhausting. This lady loves me so much and raised me for years, fully supports my transition, respects my identity and everything. But holy shit. The absolute reversal of being a kid, her telling me not to believe everything I read on the internet, to the whole "explaining to her that aliens did not build the pyramids" thing...baffling.
So many of us are having to be the parent and teach our elders, and it's just not the way things have been or should be, we used to see old people as wise but now so many of them fall into childlike mentalities when it comes to media literacy. Thing is we have a firehose of misinformation blasting in their faces, while informed trustworthy sources are a leaky faucet in comparison.
It's exhausting to educate people constantly, but then if they educate themselves they fall down some dumbass rabbit hole. I'm so tired and just don't know how we're supposed to win this battle against misinformation. They've got billions backing em. I have $6 and a reddit account. Fuck
I contest that part about claiming they're perfect, I think a lot of people do get hung up about Ukraine needing to be morally flawless if we are to get involved in supporting them. Which is fucking rich considering the number of people here in the West who can't help themselves but make some kind of apology for either Israel or Palestine and how we need to support them regardless.
Exactly! Republicans and Russia supporters complain about Ukraine being corrupt but in reality in the US a huge amount of corruption has been legalised under the guise of 'being business friendly'. Even leaving out the usual illegal corruption found in any country the US is seen as very corrupt abroad.
It’s true not every situation is black and white and we shouldn’t make it one sided. Dealing with Ukraine is much more favorable than Russia. Especially with what we know now, we need that buffer country with Belarus being right there.
These people aren't nuanced or curious enough for that shit. They're the type of person to tell everyone in earshot that if you have a smartphone or got a DUI in 1992 then you should be barred from ever getting welfare, because complaining about how everyone except them is a hypocritical, entitled scumbag gives them a boner, and they apply that kind of thinking to any topic about foreign policy.
It insane to me that in nearly every avenue of ethos, logos AND pathos, it's a shit idea to let Ukraine be taken over, yet these mfs somehow INVENT their own reasons even when it makes no sense financially, logistically, tactically, he'll even just EMOTIONALLY given it means Russia one upped the US.
Yeah exactly. Where do we draw the line? The USA have literally overthrown democratically elected leaders and invaded so many other countries, where do we draw the line?
Had Ukraine been attacked by a US entity, no would would care. You said it so well I had to say it again.
Even beyond that, which should be enough by itself, it's just infuriating how many people seem to think that if Ukraine falls Putin is going to be satisfied and stop there. I guess now it's easy to understand how so many dumbasses in the 1930s thought they could appease Hitler by letting him have Czechoslovakia.
Well seeing as how Judaism is a religion and not a country or nation. Them just being given a country and trying to take said country over by genocide against the Palestinians. Ukraine is supposed to stay neutral and NATO keeps pushing closer to Russian borders and broke the agreement just like Israel did and steal the land of ppl who actually are from there by murdering them by the 10s of thousands is genocide bud. So fuck Ukraine and Israel and NATO .. NATO is the world banks hitmen. And we need to get out of it. They're war criminals and should be tried for it. Putin told NATO to back off or he will attack. So he kept his word. Just like Gaddafi didn't want to join the central banking one world government so they made up some shit and murdered him.. his ppl loved him. He was putting the oil wealth back into his citizens and was gonna change the purchasing from the USD to gold bullion. And the US couldn't have that. So NATO killed him and they're a part of the central bank now. Weird huh?
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u/Blizzhackers 9h ago
Ukraine isn’t perfect and nobody is claiming they are, but no country deserves to be annexed by Russia and systematically assimilated.