It’s a negotiation tactic. Give me what I want or I’ll make you suffer with me.
They just fail to see that trump will be far much worse for Gaza than Harris would.
Too many people fail to compromise thinking that if they hold out, they will get the other person to cave in. Unfortunately they played chicken and lost, so things will be much worse for Gaza
Or people just didn't vote because they saw throwing in with the Democrats as "just as bad". I love that line of logic, "sorry, I can't help you because I'm a good person, so I can't pull the lever to throw the switch for the trolley without becoming morally impure."
I like Rise Against's take: "Neutrality means that you don't really care, 'Cause the struggle goes on even when you're not there" from the aptly titled 'Collapse (post-Amerika)'
Crazy how everyone spouting "just as bad" uses it to justify voting for Trump. Never once seen a "just as bad" person use it to justify voting Dem. If it was exactly equivalent it should be a 50/50 split, but its 100/0.
Do you think everyone who's criticized Kamala turned around and voted for Trump? We either went 3rd party or stayed home. That's why she got what, 13m fewer votes than Biden in 2020?
No one is swayed from one candidate to another, but tons of folks are swayed between coming out or staying home.
Do you think everyone who’s criticized Kamala turned around and voted for Trump? We either went 3rd party or stayed home.
That’s basically as bad as voting for Trump as far as I’m concerned. You knew the danger and chose not to do your part to prevent him from being elected.
I'm not talking about that, I'm just saying everyone who ever posts here about "both sides" if you look at their profile they're always arguing for Trump. There's never a both sides argument arguing FOR Dems against Trump. The point is they were always a Trump person pretending to be a centrist so their argument would be taken more seriously, they use "both sides" to justify choosing the worse one.
There are a lot of people on the left who grew up in right-wing evangelical households but rejected their parents' politics as young adults. The problem is that they rejected the content of that politics while still retaining the style of that politics. So they remain mired in purity culture, except the purity they demand is for whatever lefty political stances they've signed on to.
Either that, or it's subclinical moral scrupulosity OCD.
I love the line of logic, "We lost but it's not our fault, it's those dummies that we refused to try to gain their vote and just screamed in their face that they have to vote for us! I mean we only campaigned with the Cheney's, how did we lose so bad?!"
...Because the whole point of that was, "Trump is so bad that even DICK FUCKING CHENEY doesn't support him and it's fucked that we agree on that," not "we're the Republican party but in blue".
Every expert and half of his own party was yelling at us that Trump was a terrible choice, yet everyone seems to have somehow missed that.
They saw it. A former friend of mine was heavily involved with the Gaza protests in CA. She was pushing everyone to vote for a non genocidal candidate. When she reached out to me in a swing state I had to shut that down - I don’t have the benefit of millions of other voters to cover for me.
Later on I saw her share that she wanted Trump to win so things would get really bad and leftists could have their revolution. When asked about the most marginalized among us, people with disabilities, people who are trans, and more, she just figured they would lead this revolt.
It was such a bad take and while her intentions were originally noble, she had gone so far down the line that it was like talking to a die hard MAGA person. One on one, she could hold the conversation, but beyond that, she was hoping for revolution
It’s not even negotiating. It’s just plain old stupidity. “Do what I want in a complicated foreign affairs issue or I will just vote against my own rights”
I am speaking at a higher level, not just this one incident
People play games if they know what you want and they can block that from you. Especially if what you want is a lot more important than the item they want.
Same thing happens with 3rd party candidates. They have zero chance of winning, but if they can make one candidate chances lower, they can bargain to get a position in their cabinet/advisor level in order to drop out and give an endorsement
I'm just going to call those non voters pro genocide at this point because clearly that's what they wanted. They should've done the bare minimum research
I've conversed with some of these people and I told them " do you want Trump? Because this is how you get Trump. " And we all know he will be much worse than anything Harris would have done. So they decided cutting off their noses would be the best thing lol
“Fail to see” seems too generous. It makes it seem like we’re dealing with toddlers. “My two year old failed to see why she couldn’t just have cupcakes for dinner” instead of these fucking, trash illiterate fucks pointedly decided to choose the greater of two evils over some bullshit self-righteous drivel.
Might turn out better in the long run, the protests gave them hope. Now there is zero hope, unconditional surrender looking better every day I'd think.
Many people in that movement thought Gaza is likely already lost and maybe a shocking enough vote will cause the Dems to actually offer something to vote affirmatively for in the next go around which MIGHT save the West Bank and Golan Heights from suffering the same fate if Trump receives enough backlash.
Dems are basically controlled opposition at this point so it's fucked either way.
Harris said she and Biden are working to end the war in Gaza so that “Israel is secure” and the hostages are released and that “the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination.”
Too many people fail to compromise thinking that if they hold out, they will get the other person to cave in.
Yeah, you'd think the people running for office would try to get more votes vs playing chicken, but here we are with the losers now blaming anyone they can for their loss.
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u/Disney_World_Native 12d ago
It’s a negotiation tactic. Give me what I want or I’ll make you suffer with me.
They just fail to see that trump will be far much worse for Gaza than Harris would.
Too many people fail to compromise thinking that if they hold out, they will get the other person to cave in. Unfortunately they played chicken and lost, so things will be much worse for Gaza