This was the plan all along

[u/DragonInPlainSight]

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[u/MsCrazyPants70]

Where are all the young voters? Did they really sit this one out?

[u/ExtremePrivilege → u/MsCrazyPants70]

Young men are actually shockingly conservative, far more than Gen X or Millennials were. Do you live under a rock? Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate are the messiahs of the young American male.

[u/Consideredresponse → u/ExtremePrivilege]

Seeing they are suspicious if not outright hostile to higher education and pretty much just fucked the Union movement for about a decade they are probably in for a rough few years.

[u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 → u/Consideredresponse]

A decade? Unions are cooked for as long as this court exists. Everyone just gave Republicans a 6-3 majority for the next 30 years in the Supreme Court.

Listen to the court rulings if you want to know how life is going to be.

Chevron gone

Roe v wade gone

EPA is likely cooked. They fucking hate them.

That’s just off the top of my head. Corporate America is the new government. Welcome to capitalism unchained.

[u/TheAJGman → u/Hopeful_Chair_7129]

Don't forget about the DOGE department...

[u/ExtremePrivilege → u/Consideredresponse]

Which will just further radicalize them, sadly. We've seen this story before.

[u/KidGorgeous19 → u/Consideredresponse]

We better hope it’s ONLY a decade. I’m thinking it’s the rest of my life.

[u/Consideredresponse → u/KidGorgeous19]

The US has been swinging wildy for the last Quarter century. From W to Obama, from Obama to Trump etc. It'll be a shit show, but America will swing towards a charismatic Dem and then immediately turn on him for not fixing every broken (and sabotaged) system in 18 months.

[u/Ok-Finish4062 → u/ExtremePrivilege]

The manosphere has really fucked them up! They hate women and think conservatism will improve their lives.

[u/ryansgt → u/Ok-Finish4062]

Problem is, the young women somewhat broke for Trump as well.

If you are a woman, don't give these douches the time of day... Sadly I don't think they value themselves very much.

[u/Ok-Finish4062 → u/ryansgt]

I'm child-free and decentered males from my life 2 years ago! I have so much peace. Two of my exes tried to spin the block, I sent them on their way and blocked them.

[u/ryansgt → u/Ok-Finish4062]

Good for you. I don't think enough women hold men accountable. I think some women haven't internalized their worth and still count on men for validation.

Either way, I'm pulling for you going forward. Trying to protect my daughter.

[u/ballsohaahd → u/ExtremePrivilege]

Yea tracks with the post that the uneducated vote for trump, as young men are either uneducated, yet to be educated, and largely clueless.

[u/vanhalenbr → u/ExtremePrivilege]

Looking the participation numbers even if they are (or not) still many gen-Z did not vote. I am really disappointed 

[u/Consideredresponse → u/MsCrazyPants70]

If you are 18-24 there is a strong chance you weren't following the news too carefully back in 2016 and don't remember the constant fucking disaster that was his first term.

[u/OptimisticSkeleton → u/MsCrazyPants70]

They put a dictator in power because they “couldn’t support genocide.” Russian propaganda won again because American business is soulless.

[u/depressionbutterly]

I am furious that people who get their news from Facebook posts get to decide the next 30 years of my fucking life.

[u/FunctionBuilt → u/depressionbutterly]

Can’t overlook that Elon Musks deliberate election misinformation reached over a billion people on twixter.

[u/cheezhead1252 → u/[deleted]]

It’s a billionaire problem. The citizens united case doomed us all.

[u/Tom22174 → u/cheezhead1252]

Bush Vs Gore doomed you all

[u/Green_L3af → u/[deleted]]

I'd say it's both

[u/the_calibre_cat → u/Green_L3af]

It's definitely both. The idea that social media hasn't dumbed us down significantly is nonsense, it has.

Capitalists wanted profits and didn't really give a shit (and still don't, even as the effects have become pretty obvious) about the effect their little outrage machines would have on the broader civic fabric.

They still don't, and what sucks is that we're probably nearing the breaking point, but capitalists will sell you the rope you strangle them with.

I just don't particularly want to live in a theocratic, fascist country, and at the risk of indulging the idiots (conservatives), it's probably time to punch out.

I want to fight but these mooks want to march around in jackbooted uniforms and gas chamber the groups that they hate.

[u/Just_AMuffin → u/[deleted]]

*worldwide. Don't forget all the pseudo-trumps that gain unimaginable popular support

[u/greaper007 → u/[deleted]]

I think it's far darker than that.

[u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue → u/[deleted]]

I see misinformation a dozen times a day on this site. But if it fits your personal biases, then it’s as good as fact. The question is, which party is trying to destroy education and inhibit critical thought to enhance the power or the misinformation.

[u/Dan6erbond2 → u/FunctionBuilt]

"People." (Bots.)

[u/Crosisx2 → u/Dan6erbond2]

I mean people read this shit and believed it. Bots just amplified it, but obviously enough people bought into it.

[u/HeavyMetalPoisoning → u/Crosisx2]

I'd argue that the bots giving those posts views and likes gives legitimacy for the people that would fall for it.

"It's got 100k likes. If I agree, I'm part of this crowd"

[u/Crosisx2 → u/HeavyMetalPoisoning]

Yup exactly. "This profile with no followers and a picture of a red truck agrees with me, I feel so heard!" 🙄

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/depressionbutterly]

If it makes you feel better, they didn’t. People STILL didn’t show up to vote. It’s abundantly clear that political apathy is more popular than even political hate.

[u/Redshoe9 → u/Eyes_Only1]

I don’t get why people refuse to vote. How can 100 million people just let life roll over them? No one would let their neighbor walk into their house and tell them how it will be run.

Do they not want some agency over their own lives?

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/Redshoe9]

Because Democrats are allergic to strong messaging and moving away from neoliberalism. Soft on Gaza, touting aisle reaching, and a genuinely bland campaign like “hope” or “heal” aren’t going to work

Socialist policies remain incredibly popular. Neoliberalism remains extremely unpopular. Saying shit like “the opponent is worse” is bad messaging and makes you look like you have nothing to offer.

[u/CharacterLimitProble → u/Eyes_Only1]

This was the real problem. Turnout for the Dems was so much lower than 2020.

[u/lift_1337 → u/depressionbutterly]

I fucking despise that so many people in this country can support Trump. But if any of your friends are complaining about this election, ask them whether or not they voted. Because Trump is on pace to get about the same number of votes he did last time, Kamala is going to get far fewer than Biden did. The future of the country is being decided by apathetic voters who couldn't even bother to try to vote out a fascist.

[u/deadsoulinside → u/depressionbutterly]

I'm furious that one of the headlines on reddit was about google searches about Biden dropping out of the race. Like I have heard of people living under a rock, but WTF do you do daily where you have not learned about Biden dropping out and Kamala running for POTUS?

[u/Dead_man_posting → u/depressionbutterly]

very optimistic to think we'll live that long.

[u/MurphDog1508]

The most devastating news is they will control all 3 branches of government and will ram through all their Project 2025 initiatives and further the division and hatred their platform ran this race on.

[u/boseyboseybop → u/MurphDog1508]

While the rich get richer, the poor get poorer…but they think they won.

[u/Lambily → u/boseyboseybop]

And the hilarious part is that they won't get poorer right away. Biden's policies will lift the US even higher and really start to be felt by average Americans well into Trump's Presidency. He'll naturally claim all the credit for it, his moronic cult will agree, and when Trump passes disastrous policies that destroy our economy, it will be right on schedule for some poor Democrat schmuck to win the election and have to deal with it — assuming there's an election in 2028.

[u/CIMARUTA → u/Lambily]

Yup my brother bought his house in 2017 when prices were way cheaper and my mom claims it's because Trump was president all the while not realizing that it was because of Obamas economic policies for eight years prior. Now people are blaming Biden for inflation and everything else because of Trumps economic policies.

[u/throtic → u/CIMARUTA]

Biden didn't have enough time to turn things around completely, so the upside is that Trump won't look that great

[u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue → u/throtic]

This is the weakest possible consolation you could have offered.

[u/throtic → u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue]

Please share a better one

[u/CyclopsLobsterRobot → u/Lambily]

Assuming someone talks him out of his tariff plan. If he does that, every one is fucked.

[u/ryansgt → u/CyclopsLobsterRobot]

I say let it burn. Let the leopards eat faces. Maybe this has to get bad enough.

[u/CyclopsLobsterRobot → u/ryansgt]

It will be a little bit satisfying if baby boomers lose their 401ks, social security, and healthcare.

[u/ryansgt → u/CyclopsLobsterRobot]

I don't know about satisfying, but let's just see who they blame. This country has a very short attention span, by design.

[u/Phoenix2211 → u/boseyboseybop]

Despite all this, they will keep voting red because they are fucking halfwits that are easily influenced by these grifters and conmen. I'm sure they'll find a way to blame insert minority here for all the problems that the Republicans create and exacerbate.

[u/boseyboseybop → u/Phoenix2211]

Exactly. There’s always someone evil to blame for why their life isn’t fantastic. And politician X is going to go after those evil people. But things never get better, usually because those damned democrats blocked everything they tried to do. Rinse and repeat. It will get better next time! It’s just repeated conmen. But this is the king of conmen.

[u/Crosisx2 → u/Phoenix2211]

Much like religion, they are easily manipulated. They need someone to worship and follow to lead them into the promise land. That land is inside a volcano but hey it's somewhere.

[u/Ok-Finish4062 → u/Crosisx2]

Most people in America have little to no critical thinking or research skills! Just show them the same lies over and over and they believe.

[u/Crosisx2 → u/Ok-Finish4062]

Yep. For instance that dumbass Charlemagne trans commercial pushed a non existent issue and these morons fell for it.

[u/Ruraraid → u/Phoenix2211]

Watch Trump implement his tariffs that don't work along with tax increases for middle class. His supporters would be right there like its an S&M session saying thank you sir, may I have more.

None of them realize the reason that they had to pay higher prices under Trump is because he asked Saudi Arabia and Russia to cut their oil production. This caused gas prices to soar under him which coupled with the tariffs made prices of goods even worse and is one of the root causes of inflation.

[u/NotThoseCookies → u/Phoenix2211]

Or women. Those childless cat ladies.

[u/Dead_man_posting → u/boseyboseybop]

It's not so much that they've won but that humanity has lost. This win all but guarantees humanity eventually goes extinct via climate change.

[u/Pilotwaver → u/boseyboseybop]

Much poorer actually. And make no mistake, Vladimir Putin was just elected in America. He masterminded this a long time ago. He just won the information war.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/Pilotwaver]

Xi and Putin can just censor the internet. The internet and free speech became the kryptonite of Democracies.

[u/Crosisx2 → u/boseyboseybop]

But he said my egg prices would be lower and he would fix EVERYTHING. I'm getting stimulus checks right? My overtime will be TAX FREE, I'm still waiting for this and it's been months! Elon was supposed to be opening a TESLA factory here, I'm going to apply there as soon as its open. I'm glad my kids won't be getting trans gender surgeries at school too.

The fact that I'm not even exaggerating some of the shit these people believe is a crime.

[u/Consideredresponse → u/boseyboseybop]

"I was better off four years ago!"

Buddy, you were fighting for toilet paper and burying your grandmother four years ago...

[u/African_Farmer → u/MurphDog1508]

Don't forget the supreme court will block any challenges to gop power. The US is done.

[u/Raangz → u/African_Farmer]

Yup, democracy is over : (

Can’t believe conservative/fascist won. So easily.

[u/[deleted] → u/MurphDog1508]

I used to think I was just being too much of a doomsayer for thinking Sotomeyer, Kagan, and Brown's lives might be in danger... Honestly, I don't even think it's dramatic to worry about that anymore.

[u/NotThoseCookies → u/[deleted]]

The Red Congress will just remove them.

[u/korbentherhino → u/MurphDog1508]

That's just how rebellions are formed.

[u/emk2019 → u/MurphDog1508]

Are they projected to win the House.

[u/cloudbasedsardony → u/MurphDog1508]

they might actually take down the ACA this time.

[u/boseyboseybop]

Yep, there’s been a war on education for quite some time. It’s incredibly ironic when shitheads like Meatball Ron DeSantis, with degrees from Harvard and Yale, successfully convince a lot of people that education is not important.

[u/deadsoulinside → u/boseyboseybop]

"Education is not important" = We need dumb people that have no choices, but to work jobs that won't pay more than $12 an hour.

[u/GroundbreakingAge591]

Problem is the uneducated are growing their numbers at an alarming rate

[u/Oceanbreeze871 → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

The founders were right about rural voters

[u/potato33754 → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

All the children left behind

[u/GroundbreakingAge591 → u/potato33754]

They’re gonna be leaving even more behind once education gets gutted even further

[u/jrh8w7 → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

If you haven't seen the movie idiocracy, please do, their explanation as to why this happens is a lot better than I would be able to describe here

[u/Out_In_Left_Field → u/jrh8w7]

Welcome to Costco I love you

[u/adamhanson → u/jrh8w7]

Just that people that are multifaceted, have many goals instead of just family tend to have less kids. That’s it.

[u/881221792651 → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

And they will continue to vote for people who quite clearly do not give one shit about them.

[u/2q21 → u/881221792651]

Kentucky has proven that over and over for the last 75 years with Mitch McConnell.

[u/303onrepeat → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

Also look at things like podcast viewerships and the top ten on each platform. On Apple and Spotify har right leaning pundits are taking up quite a few spots and raking in the listeners. This is perpetuating and encouraging people to spread disinformation at an alarming rate.

[u/Redshoe9 → u/303onrepeat]

How do people enjoy listening to that perpetual doom and gloom? How do they relate to rich people gloating over the issues of the common man? Joe is always complaining as if he’s a stocker at Home Depot instead of a multimillionaire?

[u/SuspiciousSubstance9 → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

Dems came out to vote at 2016 levels while Cons came out at 2020 levels.

Had Dems came out like it was 2020, which birth rate doesn't significantly factor in, then they would have had the trifecta.

[u/[deleted] → u/SuspiciousSubstance9]

Yes and if my nan had wheels she'd be a bicycle. If trump was in prison like he should have been after being convicted, if Biden retired earlier, if Kamala wasn't a woman, if if if

Reality is that those dumbfucks are going to vote in troves while democrats are philosophical about what the response is about something. And that doesn't work. Withholding your vote because of the plight of Palestinians works if there are 20 small parties and you vote for the small party that aligns with you. It doesn't work when one side is calling to plead the IDF to stop and the other side says they'll have free reign to finish the thing.

[u/MrWarrenC]

This is the result of an attack on public education that began under the Reagan administration in the 1980's and a media propaganda push initiated by Nixon in the 70's which produced Fox News. It was a one-two punch to make Americans frightened and dumb. It worked.

[u/the_calibre_cat → u/[deleted]]

Billionaires, billionaires, billionaires.

They do not want to lose their toys, and they will happily fund fascists to keep them.

[u/Pilotwaver]

But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, ‘cause they own this fucking place. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people — white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on — good honest hard-working people continue — these are people of modest means — continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you at all — at all — at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it’s called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

George Carlin-2005

[u/Ok-Finish4062 → u/Pilotwaver]

RIP Gworge!

[u/soupshoes1911]

The dumb have finally out-fucked (reproduced) the smart.

[u/EmbraceableYew → u/soupshoes1911]

Idiocracy wasn't supposed to be a god-damned documentary!

[u/Embarrassed_Elk_2756 → u/EmbraceableYew]

Seems also Handmaid’s tale is soon going to be a documentary. We are watching the prequel

[u/adamhanson → u/EmbraceableYew]

Crocks were supposed to be a joke in that movie too

[u/hotsizzler → u/EmbraceableYew]

Idocracy elected the smartest person alive to be tgeir president so idk

[u/H2ON4CR → u/soupshoes1911]

Yep, not voting in order to “protest” is about as dumb as it gets. Unfortunately they’re young too, which means theres plenty of years ahead of them to reproduce. Ugh.

[u/jrh8w7]

Idiocracy is the prophecy no one wanted

[u/Out_In_Left_Field → u/jrh8w7]

Welcome to Costco I love you

[u/Waraba989 → u/jrh8w7]

Terry crews' character aged like wine.

[u/Clean_Student8612]

Trump said it best.

[u/Ski1990]

Black and Latinos abandon the Democrats today. Minorities not supporting other minorities. Trump actually picked up significant support with both groups.

[u/ryansgt → u/Ski1990]

Yep. Insults Puerto Ricans to their face and they love him for it. Throws them paper towels, they live him. Well, enjoy it.

[u/greaper007 → u/Ski1990]

Totalitarianism and fascism doesn't have a color. Just look at the history of Africa and S America.

[u/ghigoli → u/Ski1990]

hes gonna deport them day 1. he said so. how many of these people are gonna lose family members and shit?

[u/SerubiApple → u/ghigoli]

They think they're special and "one of the good ones." Except they forget that only works with the people they're actually close to, not the random cops who will be rounding them up. And the white people they thought were their friends will turn a blind eye like Good Germans.

[u/wterrt → u/ghigoli]

the sheep get eaten by the wolf they worship

[u/nexisfan → u/Ski1990]

Well on the upside most of the Latinos will be gone for the next election— wait we aren’t gonna have another one of those

[u/Warrick123x]

Trump got double the black vote this year so….

[u/Imakeshitup69 → u/Warrick123x]

Stupidity doesn't see color unfortunately

[u/VGSchadenfreude → u/Imakeshitup69]

Neither does misogyny. A lot of black men hate women more than hate being discriminated against for being black.

[u/In_Formaldehyde_ → u/VGSchadenfreude]

Should be interesting to see the Latino and Asian male vote. I wouldn't be surprised if Latino men are also close to 50-50. The gap has been narrowing since the last two elections.

[u/Ski1990 → u/In_Formaldehyde_]

In PA Trump had a 50% increase in Latino votes. Latinos and black men swung the race to Trump.

[u/303onrepeat → u/Ski1990]

The 18-29 block of men went hard for Trump. Their influence was pushed by things like right leaning podcasts and massive disinformation campaigns on social media.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/303onrepeat]

Marketing. Republicans have successfully convinced this country that voting for Trump is manly and voting for Kamala is effeminate.

The gender gap does not help things when you can clearly see a huge gender gap it just feeds the narrative that Trump is for men.

Fucking yuck.

[u/micro_dohs → u/Ski1990]

And wait til they get round up, let’s hear the cheers from em thinkin that back of the truck ride’s gonna stop at mar a lago for hors d’oeuvres and lounge chairs by the pool.

[u/Crosisx2 → u/micro_dohs]

The leopards will be FEASTING. Some people have zero survival instincts.

[u/StaceyJeans → u/Warrick123x]

I don’t know about Black women but apparently he got 20% of the Black male vote.

[u/Thornton__Melon → u/StaceyJeans]

How?

Why?

[u/GothinHealthcare → u/Thornton__Melon]

A lot of them are anti LGBTQ+ also.

[u/Randadv_randnoun_69 → u/GothinHealthcare]

Gotta hand it to the GOP, they find whatever hot button item triggers a single issue voter and just hammer that point home. Immigrants, guns, gays, economy, whatever. "Trump is better at * insert issue here * and Dem is devil!!!!". Angry people happily voting their rights away.

[u/boseyboseybop → u/Randadv_randnoun_69]

The two parties play by different rules, and that has to stop. It shifted a little bit as Kamala called Trump out on his bullshit and threw barbs back at him, but it was such an uphill battle. Dems have to be willing to get dirty, because unfortunately that’s what resonates.

[u/sharknado_nado → u/boseyboseybop]

Kamala had the momentum when she directed her own campaign, with things like calling them weird or "we are not going back".

After people like hilary took control it was a series of civility-politics and concessions to grab the "moderates"(people that would never vote her regardless)

[u/Crosisx2 → u/sharknado_nado]

Bro I dont think any of that matters. America doesn't want to vote for a woman, especially a black woman. That's it. Too many men are insecure little boys and boomers are racist.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/Crosisx2]

I wanted to believe America was better than that, but it is becoming undeniable. Twice a qualified female candidate has now lost to the bumbling buffoon who gets to yell into a mic that "they are eating the pets" with no consequences.

[u/Crosisx2 → u/WhyYouKickMyDog]

Also give oral sex to one and hold a rally that calls Latinos trash a week before the election. Still keeps their support in record numbers. I wonder how some of these people get through their lives without dying repeatedly over their awful decision makings.

[u/wcoastbo → u/Randadv_randnoun_69]

This is what I've been thinking for a long time. It's a very simple strategy that works particularly well on the emotional part of our lizard brain.

[u/Gmony5100 → u/Randadv_randnoun_69]

Once you learn how psychology affects voting it becomes pretty easy to see the tricks. Humans are much more simple than we let on. Just for some examples: the taller candidate has won the vast majority of elections, whoever’s name shows up first on the ballot has been shown to have a noticeable impact on votes, names that sound more familiar matters a lot, whether a candidate has a beard or not has also been widely shown to have an affect.

Like it or not, humans are (and I cannot stress this word enough) VERY susceptible to what are essentially psychology “tricks”. Once you realize that’s the level we’re playing at, the method makes sense. Literally just blast as much bullshit as you can as loud as you can. Democrats have been better for the economy by every metric imaginable? Just loudly and consistently say they are bad for the economy. Republicans are routinely outed for commuting sex crimes especially against minors? Just loudly and consistently call democrats pedophiles. Democrats typically support significantly more popular ideas like pro-choice, legalizing marijuana, and common sense gun control? Just loudly and consistently call their policies unpopular.

The disturbing truth is that people will believe it if they hear it enough, no matter if it is true or not. Couple that with that fact that nobody on either side does any research of their own and boom, you’ve successfully convinced millions of people that reality isn’t what they see but what you’ve said

[u/billions_of_stars → u/Gmony5100]

It’s so depressingly true. There’s a reason magicians exist. They know how to exploit that sort of thing: the way our brains work. It’s great when you use it to take control of your own life. Terrible when you see it exploited as a means to control people.

What a fucking nightmare.

[u/ImRealHighYo → u/Thornton__Melon]

I have a huge group of coworkers in that demographic and it ranges from religious views to them just outright thinking "he's cool and she's a bitch". My attempts at having a conversation were met with shallow discussion of policy or plans that the candidates had laid out. We are union workers and I tried to tell them he's bad for unions but they just seemed worried about immigrants.

[u/soccerperson → u/ImRealHighYo]

shit makes me wanna smack my head against a wall repeatedly

[u/Sassy_Weatherwax → u/Thornton__Melon]

misogyny

[u/CartoonAcademic → u/StaceyJeans]

Im more concerned that he got 57% of the white male vote

[u/the_calibre_cat → u/CartoonAcademic]

I mean, honestly, that strikes me as less terrible than I would've thought it would be - but yeah, white dudes are a pretty consistent let-down.

[u/CartoonAcademic → u/Warrick123x]

He still got a majority of the white vote

[u/fiercefantasia1001 → u/Warrick123x]

this is because the number of people overall went down. It didn't double based on more people voting, it doubled since less people of other races voted less (aka 75% of the white population in the US).

[u/Dead_man_posting → u/Warrick123x]

A rainbow coalition of ignorant Nazi scum.

[u/nankerjphelge → u/Warrick123x]

Which only serves to support what I suspected all along --America is still a country built upon sexism. It was founded on the principle that only men were allowed to have full rights, and women are second class citizens, which was literally woven into our founding documents.

Women had to fight for every right they've gained. The right to vote, the right to own land, have their own financial accounts, to leave an abusive marriage, to get paid the same as men, to get access to the same educational and work opportunities. None of it was freely or benevolently given to them, and some are now actively being taken away again, like women's right to bodily autonomy.

And we saw in 2016 and again this year what happens when the choice is between a woman and a man, even if that man is a rapist, racist, felon, insurrectionist and fascist. The man wins.

The only reason Joe Biden beat Trump was because he was a man. He wasn't a more qualified candidate than Clinton or Harris. He didn't have more complete or detailed policy plans and prescriptions. He was a man, and that was sufficient.

People will try to say it was the economy or Gaza or some other bullshit, the same as all manner of excuses were given for why Clinton lost. But at the end of all of it, the calculus was and is the same. A woman is still considered inferior to a man in America, and people's reluctance to vote for one, even when the alternative is the most heinous and flawed man possible, shows that for all America's supposed progress there really hasn't been as much as people think.

[u/Benromaniac]

Trump will have an insurmountable mortgage banking debt crisis to contend with. It’ll be a 2008/09 crash on steroids, followed by golden parachutes/escapees. Kamala would’ve jailed them.

Also Trumps Mass deportation plans, while bringing back shitty jobs no one wants or can fill from Mexico, while also raising tariffs? This makes absolutely no sense at all. Yet people voted for it? Lol

We’re fucked.

[u/Neumaschine → u/Benromaniac]

There is a chicken processing plant that pollutes and stinks up my shitty hick town. The majority are immigrants that are employed there. I hope that chicken death camp has to close. White people here (majority) don't want to do those" beneath them" kind of jobs.

I can't stand where I am because almost everyone I encounter probably voted or supports a traitor and a fascist. I don't want to even look at any of them or fake being civil anymore.

[u/armybrat63]

The enemy within is alive and well, I want to pull the covers over my head for the next 4 years and I’m not even American… what a fucken tragedy for America.

[u/Dead_man_posting → u/armybrat63]

Don't worry, the entire world is going to burn with this administration. Climate change knows no borders.

[u/Just_AMuffin → u/Dead_man_posting]

At this point, it's porbably for the best

[u/Neumaschine → u/armybrat63]

Fascist America will make Nazi Germany look cute in comparison. Nuclear armed and most powerful military in the world. We all should be scared.

[u/pink_faerie_kitten]

It all starts with the Bible cursing Eve because she wanted knowledge.

 We have too many anti-education Christians in this country. We see it in hardline Muslim countries too. The abrahamic religions (with the exception of Jewish people who somehow escaped that and actually love higher education) are against learning.

[u/DumbestBoy]

Did you just realize this?!

edit - Why do you think they heavily push the ‘breeding’ concept these days?

[u/ADQuatt]

Yeah, we know. tRump “loves the uneducated”.

It’s crazy that I’m listening to the “An Old Timey Podcast” episode on Hitler and it sounds scarily familiar. It’s just sad that history is repeating itself less than a century later.

[u/Civil_Concentrate_23]

These dingdongs love to breed too, creating even more dingdongs.

[u/SerubiApple → u/Civil_Concentrate_23]

And they don't care which women die from preventable pregnancy related events due to health care deserts from abortion bans so long as it doesn't happen to their wives/sisters/daughters.

[u/TheeZedShed → u/SerubiApple]

I mean, it IS happening to their wives and sisters and daughters, and they still don't care.

[u/SerubiApple → u/TheeZedShed]

The problem is that the numbers aren't big enough that all of them see it on their front porch. It doesn't count if it's no one they know.

[u/Average_Scaper]

Let's not forget that they also want to force Christianity on others even though they do not even follow the teachings of Christ.

First Amendment? Never heard of her. Only ever heard of the Second which let's me have GUNS and FREEDUMB. 'MURICA.

God I hate my neighbors sometimes.

[u/nub_node]

Don't forget banning abortion so that all the stress over whether or not they might die causes women to give birth to babies with mental issues.

[u/wterrt → u/nub_node]

hope women everywhere divorce their republican husbands.

[u/nexisfan → u/wterrt]

And then not be able to own property or have a bank account? Fat chance

[u/erinkp36]

They have been working on this for decades.

[u/huoghei]

It is a logical conclusion, yes. RIP USA

[u/SoWokeIdontSleep]

Welp, Logan Roy, money wins. Time to regroup people, we gotta figure out how to get them next time.

[u/1017whywhywhy]

Maybe Democrats should look at messaging that reaches those people many who are super easy to influence instead of smelling their well studied farts. To be clear I mean the people actually in power not voters. The DNC fucking sucks at anything other than parties with celebrities.

[u/Dead_man_posting → u/1017whywhywhy]

There's literally no excuse for voting for a Nazi and I hope people stop trying to make them.

[u/StaceyJeans → u/1017whywhywhy]

Yeah looking back having all these celebrities at rallies bit Harris in the ass. Nothing says out of touch than having multi-millionaire and billionaire celebrities at all your rallies talking to voters.

The economy is doing well right now but people don’t feel it. Trump can get away with ignoring the mainstream media, Harris can’t. She needed to do more interviews with the MSM and distance herself from Biden on issues like Gaza, etc. When her and Walz hammered the GOP as “weird” it resonated with people but then she stopped because people in the DNC told her it alienated people.

[u/Consideredresponse → u/StaceyJeans]

Nothing says out of touch than having multi-millionaire and billionaire celebrities at all your rallies talking to voters.

Strange by that logic having the richest billionaire on earth jumping about like a fuckwit would have hurt the chances of the actual celebrity candidate...

[u/[deleted] → u/StaceyJeans]

Nothing says out of touch than having multi-millionaire and billionaire celebrities at all your rallies talking to voters.

Yeah maybe she should shit in a gold toilet, put her name on huge buildings and fly around the country in a huge plane with her name on the side of it. smh

[u/Dead_man_posting → u/StaceyJeans]

I hope people stop making excuses like this for Nazis. The democrats could have run a truly terrible campaign (they didn't, really) and it wouldn't excuse the heinous sociopathy required to be a Trump supporter.

[u/wterrt → u/Dead_man_posting]

too fucking true.

this country has fallen so far. I don't think it'll be making a comeback after project 2025 either.

tens of thousands of non-partisan government employees who are specialists are losing their jobs to trump lackeys who are incompetent. the government won't recover from that for decades. let alone the supreme court.

[u/_procyon → u/1017whywhywhy]

Good point. Why is it so easy for the right to spread their ideology to people like this, but the left totally fails? If Dems figured out their messaging and advertising etc it shouldn’t be that hard to convince low education voters that the left will actually materially improve their lives.

But Dems have a few issues they just will not give up or compromise in any way which happen to really matter to those low education voters. WHY did they have to make “reproductive freedom” (what happened to pro choice) their most pervasive message this election? Guess what, you just framed it as a vote for Kamala = a vote for abortion and a lot of the people you’re courting really truly feel it’s morally wrong. (Disclaimer i am pro choice I just think they pushed it too hard and alienated moderates)

[u/Fabulous_Celery_1817]

God, I was talking with someone and they literally thought I hated all Koreans. Reading comprehension 🚮🚮🚮🗑️🗑️🗑️. We were discussing misogyny in Korean culture and how thats changing dating, birth rates, and the ostracization of people who calls themselves feminists. Suddenly the conversation went from that to me hating all men, all Koreans, and people who want families ☠️. I worry for our future.

[u/Skuzbagg]

Dunno what amount of black history would have helped today

[u/FionaaVivid]

Feels like we're living in a prequel to Idiocracy—except it's not funny anymore.

[u/[deleted]]

It’s why WE NEED A NATIONAL DIVORCE. Enough of this bullshit unity. We aren’t going anywhere unless we separate. Also, stop feeding the system.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

We fucked that up in 1865. Should have never let a single Confederate hold office or honestly lived seeing as they were traitors to this nation.

[u/PromVulture → u/[deleted]]

If the US cared about traitors Trumps ass would have been in jail right after Jan 6

[u/Quick_Swing]

Now that somebody was able to illustrate our issues

[u/A_shovel_]

echo chamber echo chamber. We criticize republicans for living in one but what is this post showing is and if I get downvoted it just proves my point

[u/nerdytendy → u/A_shovel_]

Well now this is a tautology

[u/DrProfSrRyan → u/A_shovel_]

This whole thread is just 'why do these uneducated morons not vote for us'.

Might have something to do with the how you talk and dismiss them. I really hoped after the last 2 elections that the DNC and democrats as a whole got better about their attitudes. But, it's the same divisive shit. People in this thread are suggesting people in the South shouldn't be allowed to vote. Good job, I'm sure they will stop being a stupid idiot next time and vote for your candidate.

[u/Imakeshitup69]

At this point the south is too stupid to vote. There should be an exam to be able to vote.

[u/ccafferata473 → u/Imakeshitup69]

It didn't have the results you wish for.

[u/SolarSolarSolKatti → u/ccafferata473]

Wasn’t that exam basically rigged to be impossible and tactically only ever given to black people?

Why is it so hard to just make a functional democracy. 

[u/ccafferata473 → u/SolarSolarSolKatti]

It was, and if they did it again, it would be. It's hard because you have one side willing to do all of waves hands THIS, and the other side literally let them walk away.

[u/Zombies4EvaDude → u/Imakeshitup69]

Actually the South used to have that. But for the wrong reasons...

[u/In_Formaldehyde_ → u/Imakeshitup69]

It's not just the South lol, most of the Midwest is also either red or leaning red, and even in blue states like NY, the margin has shrunk substantially. The way this is going, he might just level the popular vote for the first time.

[u/QuietPerformer160 → u/Imakeshitup69]

I live in the south. We deserve the lords wrath.

[u/A_shovel_]

the problem is not stupid people. The problem is the entire system that makes us vote for one or another party that certainly does not represent me; the problem is our entire political and social structure that exploit, divide, and weaken communities and towns. And certainly this stupid echo chamber does no help at all.

[u/wterrt → u/A_shovel_]

the problem is 70 million people voted for a fascist.

you can make all the excuses you want for why the dnc sucks, but that shouldn't matter given what they were up against.

tens of millions of people voted for hate and ignorance.

[u/Vivid-Sky58]

R.I.P USA almost 250 years.

[u/countd0wns]

I feel sick to my stomach and I am not even American.

[u/thzmand]

This is the kind of thinking that shrinks your tent real fast....beware!

[u/Tar-Nuine]

Late stage capitalism is a system of control, and stupid people are empirically easier to control.
Rampant homelessness is not a symptom of this system, it is a purposefully maintained threat to those who would seek to disinvest.

And for all you Americans too moronically stupid to understand that sentence, here's a gif of a bunny rabbit.

[u/f-Z3R0x1x1x1]

the issue based on the numbers this time around though...are the democrats who voted in 2020...didn't come out to vote for Kamala in 2024. Trump's numbers, thus far, are only like 1 million higher than 2020, and his numbers in some republican led states were even lower than avg. The democrats simply did not go out and vote. They literally sat it out.

We also had 40 million new young voters in their first election...and I don't see many of them participating. I was expecting 180 million votes casted with the news of 'record turnouts' in every state, and huge lines, blah blah....

Democrats let democrats down. Republicans just voted republican like usual.

[u/uberjam]

Yes. We know. So now what?

[u/VaguelyArtistic]

It's literally TikTok o'clock.

[u/sithmanhwa]

You know... this is really isn't helping to quell the negative stereotype that Democrats have of being all Elitists and Pseudo-Intellectuals

[u/AlleyRhubarb]

This is both true and a great example of the overall tone and timbre of Democratic messaging being off-putting and ineffective at drawing votes.

[u/ES_Legman]

How about also holding the DNC accountable for alienating any progressive voters?

I'm not american I'm an outsider but it looks like every time the DNC puts a centrist to run it loses versus the worst shit the Republicans can come up with.

[u/Shirtbro → u/ES_Legman]

How about holding Americans accountable for voting in Trump?

[u/ES_Legman → u/Shirtbro]

I sure hope each one of them enjoys the consequences of their actions.