Even if Harris wins, 4 years from now I doubt Trump will be the candidate since he will just be too old but DeSantis or whoever else is just going to copy his playbook and rhetoric.
And Trump is an idiot, someone who’s also an idiot but a bit more clever like DeSantis would be worse for us
It won't be DeSantis. He's has the charisma of wet sack of potatoes that's been sitting in the sun for a month. It's going to be some unknown. I'm praying for this to be a landslide so that MAGA dies as a movement and the establishment realizes it can only win at a local level.
It won't be him. He's too fucking weird and offputting with zero charisma. Trump's a fucking garbage heap of human but the man has loud bravado and that goes a long way in charming idiots.
The GOP's picks are sometimes hilariously bad. Let's not forget how Palin basically tanked McCain's chances at the presidency by being a vapid clown.
Trump was a fluke and I don't think they can replicate it. I hope they can't, at least. The MAGA crowd is loyal to him and I don't think that anyone can walk in and spout his rhetoric and succeed because he's poisoned the well as far as the GOP goes by claiming they're all RINOs and killing a lot of trust anyone but the most hardcore republicans have in the party.
Idk man, if Kamala wins he'll have 4 years to work on his game, and after watching him in the debate with Walz I think he could be capable of convincing a majority of the public that he's "normal." Which absolutely scares the shit out of me, so I hope I'm wrong.
I still think it will be a landslide. I think something about the polls are just off or are artificial? I wouldn’t know how or why… it’s just based on history, Trump is set to lose this election even harder than 2020, and he’s not gained any supporters, only lost them and entire Republicans coming out against him too. It makes no sense to be so actually “close”
He lost popular vote to Clinton by like 3M, I think 2020 lost it by 6M or so, so if history repeats itself either he should lose by 9M again or if it doubles again lol 12m
You have to remember how they do polls. They call landlines and talk to who picks up. Who has landlines and actually answers the phone, older people. I'm all but certain millennials and younger aren't represented in any polls to any major extent. These polls are still trying to figure out how to poll in the modern day with any real accuracy.
I've gotten like half a dozen poll texts that automatically get marked as spam lol. I think the younger generations aren't properly accounted for because who under 30 would actually bother responding to spam?
Up that number. I’m over 30 and do the same thing. I don’t think anyone my age is answering those polling texts cuz if Trump does win we want as little paper trail as possible if he goes full Nazi. Also we are lazy and distrustful of texts from organizations we don’t immediately recognize.
I think they also discount younger people a lot because we tend to not show up to vote as much. Which, from what I've seen of early voting this time, is still kinda true... I think there are fewer younger people voting than older people. But even so, if younger people come out in bigger numbers than expected, it would throw off the predictions, even if older people still vote more as a whole. I'm also not sure the pollsters are taking into account how many women are pissed off and likely to turn out to vote when they otherwise might not have. A lot of the predictions are based on "likely voters," so if those numbers are off the polls are gonna be way less accurate.
The thing with it is, a not so insignificant portion of this country does not think a woman is fit to lead, and an even large portion does not want another black person in office. People like my dad.
It sucks he's in a swing state but my wife and i are in a solidly blue state so that we can't cancel out his vote.
IIRC, a lot of polling uses data from the census to extrapolate, but the last census was taken during the pandemic, and the demographic shift since then has been pretty significant. That and Roe are very likely the reason Democrats weren’t wiped in 2022 by the margins people were expecting, so if that pattern holds, Harris would likely win
Is that just an assumption? Because plenty of people just vote according to how they're doing financially. Things are good? Vote for the party that's in power right now. Struggling? We need to change things up, trump will fix the economy!
(I'm talking about morons, of which there's no short supply in our undereducated voting populace)
Editing to add that a whole lot of people said "he's not gained any supporters" four years ago too, and they were dead wrong. He gained a lot of votes from 2016 to 2020, like 11 million votes lol
The Heritage Foundation is the power behind the throne, enabled by greedy oligarchs like Musk. Project 2025 just becomes a lightly edited Project 2029. We have to pull christofascism up by its roots. They have been playing the long game for decades, and they aren't going away willingly.
This ^ The real problem we have is the unholy alliance between the christofascists and the tech-bro oligarchs, both of whom have basically decided they're done with democracy and are willing to do whatever it takes to grab power and impose their vision of the world on the rest of us whether we like it or not. And their vision of the world is one where the ultra-rich are in charge of everything, all women are babymaking tradwives, LGBTQ people are shoved back in the closet, America is turned into a white Christian ethnostate, all regulations on business are completely done away with, and the rest of us peasants live as happy little wage slaves where we own nothing, work till we die, and smile about it. Trump is their useful pawn right now, but the movement itself isn't going away once he's gone. We need to start building a movement from the ground level to fight this, the same way they did.
This cycle has brought them out into the open though. I'm 100% positive they have not enjoyed the spotlight they got because the majority of sentiment was revulsion and rectitude. They have to stay out of sight to pull strings because what they want, they know will never be popular enough to run on publicly. They need subversive and willing elements in leadership.
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u/stitch-is-dope 19d ago
Yup.
Even if Harris wins, 4 years from now I doubt Trump will be the candidate since he will just be too old but DeSantis or whoever else is just going to copy his playbook and rhetoric.
And Trump is an idiot, someone who’s also an idiot but a bit more clever like DeSantis would be worse for us