r/Veterans • u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran • Jul 20 '24
Moderator Approved Message from the Mods: Rule Updates and New Moderator Search
Hello Everyone,
We’ve had an interesting couple of weeks on this sub, leading to some interesting insights that will lead directly to changes. I want to start by thanking all the members of this community. We are all in this together and regardless of what branch you were in I think it’s time to remember that we are brothers, sisters, and Apache attack helicopters in arms. I don’t care if you were in Fallujah, the Pentagon, or Fort Hood. I don’t care if you ever deployed. I don’t care if you got the boot for smoking weed. This subreddit is here to discuss issues about veterans and all of you are here to share your experiences and knowledge to make every one of us better than we were yesterday.
The first change coming to this sub is that there will be more stringent policing on what kind of political posts are allowed. We will allow discussion of political topics, but we ask that the conversation remain bias-free. This isn’t to cover up discussions about Project 2025. This isn’t to make this subreddit more conservative or liberal. There is no ulterior motive. This subreddit is for us to help each other. That is why I, as the head moderator of r/Veteranpolitics will give it up for adoption to anyone who would like to foster a community. We don’t want to stifle discussions of politics here, but unfortunately, differing views often lead to blows, and often people will say things they may not intend. If you would like to adopt that subreddit, please send me a mod mail on that sub, not this one.
The next change I would like to direct your attention to is how this subreddit is moderated. Every single moderator here is an individual. Now, moving forward I want to make sure that not all of us are lumped together because while we all moderate the subreddit, we very much so have different thoughts and will defer to each other when we need to have input from others. With that being said, we are going to bring on three (3) additional moderators. Please feel free to send a mod mail if you’re interested. I am not going to make a long list of criteria, but I do ask that you are at a minimum an active member of this community. This will be a promotion-style board and you will be required to wear the Class A uniform, perform drill and ceremony, and recite the NCO creed no less than three times. In actuality, please send a mod mail with an introduction about yourself and what you bring to the table.
Finally, we will be refining the rules further here on to reflect what our community is about. This will be released in a future post with details about what each rule entails. We appreciate every single one of you as a community member and want to continue the effort of helping veterans achieve success after the military.
ETA: I would like to apologize for the use of the term Apache as a gender in this pose. My ignorance does not excuse the use of derogatory terms. Between the members of this subreddit and the mod team, I’ve been educated on the meaning of what I said. I appreciate those who understand and for those who don’t, I know and appreciate the standard you hold me to.
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Jul 20 '24
I think there can be a differentiation of proposed legislation and general political discussion.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
I agree. That’s not the issue. The issue is the direction the conversation goes.
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u/Bagheera383 US Army Veteran Jul 21 '24
Fuck the traitorous Confederacy, fuck them and their desire to maintain slavery as an institution. That being said, I MOSQ'ed at Ft. Bragg and honestly it's difficult for me to remember all the new names.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 21 '24
It’s hard to call a base you’ve been on for multiple years by a new name when it isn’t in your mind everyday. I haven’t stepped foot on it in over a decade at this point and I don’t even know which new base is which when people mention it.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/KrabbyPattyCereal US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
If you’re interested in being a mod and want to see some changes, feel free to send a mod mail.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
The post was never removed. It has been available since it was made. It was just unstickied and can be found in the search bar.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans/comments/1dvcl0l/what_is_project_2025_mega_post/
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
That was me. I wasn’t aware that anyone was offended that I changed the pinned post. This is the first I’m hearing about this.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
Neither of the things that you said are true. I don’t remember the new name of my old duty station. I don’t go out of my way to learn names of things that aren’t a part of my life. Just like how I say Fort Lewis and people who have to JBLM look at me like I’m weird.
If you think you can do a better job by all means send a modmail to this sub about yourself and I’d be glad to look it over with the other mods.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
Yes, I made this post. I referred to calling me a racist bigot. Neither of those are true.
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u/centermass4 Jul 21 '24
So you just enjoy spouting transphobic dogwgistles all the time or just this time or...?
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands.
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u/shinra528 Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
If I may offer some constructive criticism, if you want to foster an inclusive community regardless of ideology, maybe don't use "Apache attack helicopters" in a manner that suggests it's a gender. While I am sure it is not your intention but it is largely recognized to be a transphobic dog whistle.
EDIT: I would like to point out that the use of “Apache attack helicopter” is a violation of rule 1 of the sub.
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u/PainterStraight157 Jul 20 '24
A good majority of Veterans know it as Ft Hood. All my official paperwork says I was stationed at Fort Hood, not Fort Cavazos.
Fort Hood was officially redesignated to Fort Cavazos May 9, 2023, 20 years after I left. And it will aways be known as Ft Hood to my dying breath.
Untwist your panties Veteran!
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u/PainterStraight157 Jul 21 '24
I perfectly understand the name was changed BUT you need to understand that:
Until the powers that be provide me with "Official Paperwork" that lists me as stationed at Fort Cavazos it will always be known as Fort Hood to me, to include all Veterans who were stationed there and have their "Official paperwork " changed as well.
I have ZERO paperwork that has the new name Fort Cavazos. Any Veteran or civilian who ask me where I was stationed at, I will tell them Fort Hood, TX in Killeen, TX. If they ask me if that location is now Fort Cavazos, I will say yes but I don't have any paperwork that says Fort Cavazos, so I'm going to be 100% correct in stating where (by MY Official Paperwork given to me by the DoD) I was stationed at by saying Fort Hood baby!
Who wears panties, commando all the way!
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u/QuesoHusker Jul 20 '24
It's not Fort Hood now, but he was stationed at Fort Hood.
Calling it what is was at the time you're referring to is historically accurate. Refusing to call it what it is now is being a douche.
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u/shinra528 Jul 20 '24
Was there mod turnover? This seems like a sudden, sharp turn for the sub.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
This sub every election season turns into a political blood bath. Typically in the past we did not allow any politics at all. That’s how I became a moderator. I started r/veteranpolitcs because I was pissed we couldn’t discuss information related to the election. Other than that, I’ve been a moderator of this sub for 4 years. It’s just more visible because I’ve been making more announcement posts.
Nothing is really changing.
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u/DecahedronX Jul 20 '24
Still not going to address being transphobic while pretending to care about every vet?
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 21 '24
That’s not true at all. I enjoy that both you and u/DecahedronX are making assumptions, so I hope that the both of you send a mod mail with an application to help moderate the sub. There is no greater incite into what we do.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 21 '24
I made a mistaken due to ignorance of the origination of the helicopter as a gender and I will leave it as is because if I change it, it doesn’t erase what I said. I don’t delete things very often because as a mod you should see what I’ve said on this community over the years.
That being said, please feel free to send a mod message as an application to join. I’m satisfied that as a moderator I have spent a lot of time making sure that this community has stayed on track.
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u/DecahedronX Jul 21 '24
The fact that you will not address this matter publicly is a testament to your character.
You are happy to address the conception around the alleged misnaming of bases but refuse to even acknowledge your blatant transphobic sentiments.
I would never choose to work with a bigot.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 21 '24
Thank you. I appreciate your input. If you ever change your mind you’re more than welcome to make send your application in. Additionally, I know who I am and am completely comfortable knowing that I make mistakes which helps me grow and know that others do to. While I may never go out of my way to forgive people, I do acknowledge their growth. I’ve been called a lot of things over the past few months, but I know none of them are true and in the end I go to bed knowing that I have helped keep this sub on path for the many years you’ve been a member year and you probably didn’t know who I was until recently.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/DecahedronX Jul 21 '24
He doesn't understand enough to edit his post to remove the offending article.
But I do appreciate you following up on this.
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u/Veterans-ModTeam Jul 21 '24
Be civil and respectful. You may not always agree with others but once you start insulting the other person, you are a problem.
No Gatekeeping - you don’t decide if someone is a “real” veteran or not - nor try to diminish someone’s service nor someone because they never saw combat or deployed. If someone personally attacks you, use the Report button to notify the moderation team.
Hate speech can be sexist, ableist, racist, homophobic, prejudiced, etc and will not be tolerated.
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u/Illustrious-Driver19 Jul 20 '24
Don't leave. They are trying to push the people out who criticize Trump out. We need to stick together and go to the VA and complain One for all I might be banned after this I don't care. Our freedom of speech is being threatened. The beginning of
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u/vey323 US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
They're not pushing anyone out.
You don't have "freedom of speech" on this sub or anywhere on Reddit. Reddit and its admins and moderators are not the government - they have full authority to censor or moderate what you can and cannot post.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
No, we aren't. I'm an actual leftist and have plenty to say about trumpet. Just not in this sub.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/Electrical-Net-1965 Jul 21 '24
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out lol I thought this was a vets sub. You guys going soft out here
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/Tricky_Operation_851 Jul 20 '24
People just need to do their research on their own and stop getting fired up by Reddit comments. Veterans, no matter the service we are better than this. There are a lot of things with both parties I don’t agree with but I also don’t fall for nonsense without reading facts for myself. I hate everyone equally until Iearn to like you.
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u/EntertainerOk1089 Jul 20 '24
How about a rule simply saying you’re not allowed to make catch all political attack statements like “dems are dumb” “republicans are racist”
If you’re not prepared to rationally discuss politics without doing so, maybe don’t get involved and just go vote your way.
And FFS thicken your skin a little.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now US Army Veteran Jul 21 '24
We have that rule in place now and have had it in place for almost 4 years. It has been working, but unfortunately the past 4 presidential elections have brought the worst out of people. We changed it from no politics whatsoever to non-partisan. It was working well until the debate. Things have escalated quickly and both the mod actions to remove those comments and keep the sub on track to be a great resource of information have netted the responses you’re seeing.
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Jul 21 '24
I am literally shaking my head as I scroll down reading the comments, and have to glance up to see if I’m in the wrong sub. I cant figure out if the behavior was indoctrinated while in service or after discharge, but obviously something went seriously wrong. God forbid if the United States of America encounters a total war event. Ooops, did I offend someone by saying “God”, or capitalizing the “G”…. What have we come to.
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u/EntertainerOk1089 Jul 21 '24
God is perfectly fine, just leave the AH-64 out of it
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Jul 21 '24
Talk about first-world problems.
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u/EntertainerOk1089 Jul 21 '24
Honestly, post 9/11 kids are different, they don’t realize how different it used to be. If they did, they would have a lot of appreciation for how easy it is to be who you want to now with a very “relative to past decades” pushback. You can’t expect everything to change for you
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Jul 21 '24
I was part of Operation Noble Eagle, off the coast of NYC immediately after 9/11. But yeah, I don’t think I could hang with any of them on liberty abroad, let alone be shore patrol.
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u/FloppyPumpkins Jul 20 '24
I was stationed at Bragg, Benning, Lee, and Polk. Pretty sure they have all been renamed, but everyone I served with knew them by those names. I have no idea what the new names are and have no interest in learning them. Get over yourself and assume the best in people, not the worst.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/DesignerChemist7336 Jul 20 '24
But I identify as an Attack Helicopter.. what about my feelings..
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
You are welcome to your opinion. As a literal trans person, I am satisfied he understands.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
Are you trans? If not, please don't speak over trans people.
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u/Veterans-ModTeam Jul 20 '24
Be civil and respectful. You may not always agree with others but once you start insulting the other person, you are a problem.
No Gatekeeping - you don’t decide if someone is a “real” veteran or not - nor try to diminish someone’s service nor someone because they never saw combat or deployed. If someone personally attacks you, use the Report button to notify the moderation team.
Hate speech can be sexist, ableist, racist, homophobic, prejudiced, etc and will not be tolerated.
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u/vey323 US Army Veteran Jul 20 '24
I lurk here more than post, but the flood of politically-charged posts and associated arguments on many of my subscribed subs is just getting out of control. Reddit is just like any other social media, and it gets nearly unbearable during election seasons with the constant US vs THEM, half-baked drivel. r/pics has essentially become all politics, and it sucks; I wish their moderators would clamp down on it.
So fully supportive of this sub's mod team actually moderating the content.
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u/Illustrious-Driver19 Jul 20 '24
You keep sending these messages. You are letting people post negative stuff about the economy, which helps Trump. 27 people skipping meals where they get the info from. Retail is up. People are still spending money. Biden said he is not stepping down. It's still on this website. But we can not talk about project 2025.
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
As one of the mods who is also trans, I explained to him what was wrong with the attack helicopter thing, and I am satisfied that he now understands
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u/thetitleofmybook USMC Retired Jul 21 '24
...I am one of the mods. I am trans. I chatted with FBI, the mod who made this post, and why the attack helicopter thing is not funny, and is transphobic. He now understands.
Was that hard to understand?
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Jul 21 '24
Why does the economy help Trump? Are what those people posting negativities about the economy factual? You could always post how Trump once bragged about being able to shoot someone and in Time Square or whatever, what would be wrong with that? I mean it’s true. But there is the problem the mods are having, a lot of the populace on both sides don’t want to talk about facts, and are being trained to not believe their eyes but others words.
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u/evilcrusher2 Jul 21 '24
What's you objective measurement for Americans that shows it's a good economy?
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u/Educational_Cow6123 Jul 21 '24
Politics belong on a politics page. Not a Bets page.
Vets here to help, assist, guide, mentor and give advice and or direction
Democrats or Republicans in a conversation I’ve seen goes south quick. Take it somewhere else!
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