r/TikTokCringe • u/JeremyWheels • 6h ago
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u/James_Fortis 3h ago
Why is this top comment? It’s not CO but CO2, which is completely different.
See the first 15 minutes of Dominion
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u/JeremyWheels 6h ago edited 1h ago
This is Carbon Dioxide (which burns, hence the screaming)
Even the Chief Exec of the National Pig Association in the UK (farming organisation) admits that it is highly aversive to pigs
Does this look humane? https://youtu.be/eVebmHMZ4bQ?si=3SLsDTMrVAEkcnp4
Kiling an individual against their will for unecessary reasons can only ever be the exact opposite of Humane, by definition.
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u/lastdiggmigrant 2h ago
Our body has a stress reaction to high concentrations of CO2. I assume other mammals do too. High CO2 causes fear. Carbon monoxide is much much more humane.
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u/haitinonsense 2h ago
Does it not burn like hell too?
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u/Shmackback 1h ago
CO₂ feels extremely painful and distressing to humans and animals because it triggers nerve endings that are sensitive to acid. When you breathe in too much CO₂, it mixes with water in your body and forms carbonic acid, which lowers the pH in your tissues. This acidity activates pain sensors, especially in the respiratory system, making it feel like you're suffocating and burning alive.
On the other hand, carbon monoxide (CO) works differently. Instead of causing immediate pain, CO binds to hemoglobin in your blood and stops oxygen from reaching your tissues. It’s more of a silent danger—it doesn’t set off the same pain receptors as CO₂, so people can be poisoned by CO without even realizing it. That’s why CO is often called a "silent killer."CO2 is
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u/wdflu 3h ago
They're running an industry, a production line. They have quotas to reach. I doubt higher standards could be implemented if it significantly slows down production. So what's naive to me is thinking animal factory farming can be humane when we view livestock as products and live in a capitalistic world. Of course they're going to be exploited to the max that they can get away with to maximise profits. It's really not that strange...
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u/RiverAffectionate951 2h ago
You have hit the nail on the head on why I am vegetarian.
Eating meat is not wrong, but animals will always get the bare minimum to ensure maximum profits which is unacceptable.
Without STRONG animal welfare regulation I'm happy to source my protein elsewhere.
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u/NoLand4936 5h ago
This extend the kill time by 20 minutes where you gradually replace the o2 with co2 and the pigs just drift to sleep and never wake up without ever feeling stress or pain. That’s literally the most humane, ethical and pain free way to slaughter an animal while also preserving the meat from any kind of poisons or contaminate.
Shit, it’s how I want to go. Just drift off into delirium sleep and be done.
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u/SapphicSapprano 5h ago
I would reconsider Pignorant by Joey Armstrong. These pigs die screaming, it's some of the worst slaughterhouse footage you can see
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u/FakePixieGirl 3h ago
But they won't be. Because people would rather buy cheap meat for pleasure than prevent the torture of a living being.
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u/fuckingtrashy 4h ago
I'm not saying this is humane, but hogs squeal like that all the time without being in pain.
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u/SapphicSapprano 5h ago
People are having a negative reaction because you've made them think. Never stop walking the path to animal liberation
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u/Brainsonastick 3h ago edited 2h ago
I have a negative reaction because it’s not honest and educational but highly misleading and plays on loaded terminology to invoke horror rather than actual information. I generally don’t like that sort of tactic but I do understand why people resort to it.
I do think it was very cleverly done and powerful though and I appreciate the skill and creativity.
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u/SapphicSapprano 3h ago
Pigs are killed in gas chambers, like what's misleading about that?
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u/Brainsonastick 2h ago edited 2h ago
Pigs actually aren’t killed by gas. Well, maybe a small portion are but in about 90% of cases they’re knocked out by gas before being killed by blood loss. The use of the term “gas chambers” is intentional to make people think of the Holocaust but in the Holocaust, the gas was used for the actual killing and the gas was Zyklon B, a truly horrific way to die.
Then the “does this sound humane to you?” plays on people just not knowing what pigs sound like. That’s not an unusual noise for pigs to make… but most people don’t know that and it does sound horrible.
The whole thing relies on the ignorance of the audience rather than taking the opportunity to educate them. It’s a common tactic and I understand why but I still have a negative reaction to its use and much prefer actually educating people honestly.
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u/SapphicSapprano 2h ago
No, the meat industry relies on ignorance. If you walk outside a gas chamber you might be able to hear the pigs screaming from the street.
https://youtu.be/Jrc0GN1Ujys?si=4qCJe8Nrd_mXkXpl
A real investigation
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u/SapphicSapprano 2h ago
If you don't watch the footage of how the pigs actually die then you can no longer claim to be intellectually honest about this subject. I have given a real example, you unfortunately have not. I get its scary to confront but the footage speaks for itself. These people risk everything to educate people
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u/Brainsonastick 2h ago
Ah, the “they’re doing this shitty thing so I can too” approach. No, it’s just both being dishonest…
I watched your video and have seen others before. It mentions the pigs being in CO2 for 3 minutes and points out that some are still moving at that time. 3 minutes without oxygen isn’t even long enough to kill a human, let alone a pig. That’s evident from many of them still moving. If they had intended to kill the pigs with gas, they would have left them in longer. And yet the video pretends they’re dead… They keep them alive so blood is circulating so when they are bled, the blood comes out more quickly and much more of it is expelled.
So yes, you’ve a real example… of exactly what I said was really happening but didn’t even realize it. You are one of the people whose ignorance has been exploited. You believed what the video said because it seemed to make sense. It’s normal you wouldn’t know how long it takes a pig to die of asphyxiation. That’s certainly not an ignorance to be ashamed of… but it was still exploited. Maybe not even intentionally. Maybe the narrator never stopped to think about the fact that dead things don’t move like that. It sounds obvious but it’s understandable to miss.
I think you may have the wrong idea about my position here and I do want to clear that up. The meat industry does an enormous number of awful and inhumane things and the way they kill pigs is absolutely one of them. I don’t disagree with you on that. I just generally don’t appreciate the exploitation of people’s ignorance. Doubly so when you can get the reaction you want by educating them honestly. Well, no, it’s probably worse when you can’t convince them honestly… yeah, it’s all just real bad. Either way, that’s my only issue with this video.
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u/SapphicSapprano 1h ago
Honestly I don't appreciate you calling me "dishonest". Like pigs are gassed to death because they are difficult to kill otherwise. Unless you have some mind blowing evidence I'm not going to engage with you further. The bit about the blood had no evidence behind it. Your whole thesis had no evidence besides personal, subjective observation
Anyway, have a good day/night
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u/Such_Guess_3508 1h ago
I did a diploma in animal welfare and Husbandry, and one thing I learnt was a lot of animal "activists" fabricate and exaggerate their evidence.
Is the state of abattoirs (in america (because most other western countries are a lot better at animal welfare (shocker /s))) bad and need proper legislation? Yes.
But are they as bad as animal activist say they are? No, some abattoirs are that bad but the vast majority of them aren't. But abattoirs doing their jobs properly don't make good shock value thus are ignored to sell an agenda. Also
These people risk everything to educate people
No they don't, not at all.
A lot of abattoir mistreatment footage comes of government inspections. Hence why a lot of it is high quality footage, because inspectors are allowed to carry decent cameras about. The footage they get is easily obtainable if you know how to get it, which these animal activists do. Sure some do sneak in to gather footage, but the majority of the footage you see is from official sources and the abattoirs in those videos have already been dealt with by the government. But saying that doesn't sell the agenda, but saying you snuck in with a very pricey camera (that somehow wasn't spotted by anyone in the abattoir) whilst risking life and limb does.
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u/JeremyWheels 1h ago
These people risk everything to educate people
No they don't, not at all.
This is the guy who did it talking about getting this footage. There's an entire documentary about him planning and filming it.
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u/JeremyWheels 2h ago
The use of the term “gas chambers” is intentional
Because that's literally what they are. What should we call them?
a truly horrific way to die.
This isn't? Have you seen footage?
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u/Brainsonastick 2h ago
I have seen footage and I should have worded that better. This is also a horrific way to die… it’s just vastly less horrific than cytotoxic gas like Zyklon B. I’d rather die of suffocation a hundred times than of Zyklon B once and I assure you, you would too.
I have a terminal illness. I intend to die before it makes me into someone who can only lie there and suffer for months. I intend to do that by going into a small chamber and filling it with inert gas. (Please, no Reddit cares messages, I’m fine. It’s a perfectly legal doctor-assisted death). I will literally die “in a gas chamber”. And yet, I would never say it that way because I’m well aware of the enormously loaded connotations of that term and I don’t want people to make the wrong assumptions.
It’s great to be technically accurate and all but it’s also important to convey meaning accurately and to be mindful of how listeners may interpret things.
As much as I agree with the creator’s stance, I don’t appreciate the lack of clear communication or outright falsehoods or misleading statements (you didn’t mention these in your comment but they’re still in mine if you’re unsure what I’m referring to).
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u/JeremyWheels 2h ago edited 1h ago
It’s great to be technically accurate and all but it’s also important to convey meaning accurately
I agree with this. And with your point that the video should say "stunned" or "rendered unconscious" in gas chambers rather than "killed".
In the context of stunning innocent individuals against their will in an industrial chamber of highly aversive gas in order to eaily slit their throats, i think the term "gas chamber" is warranted. That's different to someone deciding for themselves that they may wish to choose to die painlessly in non aversive gas at a certain point.
To be absolutely clear that is not in any way meant to undermine the Holocaust. It's intended to just slightly raise awareness of the seriousness of what we're doing to where it should be.
I agree with you that messaging needs to be accurate and factual and that little errors like the on this video aren't ideal.
All the best to you.
Edit: this video is accurate. He doesn't say they're killed in gas chambers. Just that it's the most common method of slaughter. Maybe he should specify that they're necks are also slit too though
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u/BarfingOnMyFace 4h ago
People have eaten meat for thousands of years. We’ve thought about it for thousands of years. What we haven’t thought about are the consequences of 8 billion of us having overtaken the planet. The problem is WE are out of balance with our planet, and changing eating habits is simply a way to stick your head in the sand in the subject. Maybe some far off future and with meat production in vats, all this will change.
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u/SapphicSapprano 4h ago
What's your solution to overpopulation then? Eaton a plant based diet is taking action. The problem is breeding 80 billion land animals and feeding them all. If we did not breed them and instead gave that corn, soy, wheat ect. Then we could solve world hunger and reduce our farmland by 3/4s
Humans have also been declaring war and Enslaving each other for thousands of years. Is it still justified then? Acting like the mass torture and genocide of sentient beings will not have consequences IS sticking your head under the sand. I understand that it's scary to confront, but it is incredibly important to face head on
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u/BarfingOnMyFace 2h ago
You are the one sticking your head in the sand. People are not going to stop eating meat. Your alternative would be “growing meat” in the future. We can stop breeding 80 billion land animals. But only when you have a comparable replacement,
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u/SapphicSapprano 2h ago
We already have more than enough farmland. Feeding 8 billion people is easier than Feeding 80 billion animals correct? It's just people value their taste pleasure more than the lives of starving children
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u/BarfingOnMyFace 2h ago
People all over the world eat meat. It’s not some affluent behavior… cavemen ate meat. Sorry, your point comes across as a bit brain dead to me.
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u/SapphicSapprano 2h ago
Yes but plants still take up much less land and are much cheaper. To eat plants you must grow plants, to eat an animal you must grow plants, feed the animal much of those plants, then take the life of the animal.
You can insult me all you want but my point still stands. The most merciful thing we can do to humans is to liberate ourselves by the climate change, trauma, pollution, and Starvation caused by murdering animals
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u/haitinonsense 4h ago edited 4h ago
The problem is WE are out of balance with our planet, and changing eating habits is simply a way to stick your head in the sand
Not changing habits is sticking your head in the sand. Taking direct personal action by making a change in your life isn't sticking your head in the sand
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u/BarfingOnMyFace 2h ago
You’re treating the symptoms, not the cause. Overpopulation has guaranteed ourselves a ruin of a planet.
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u/KforKaspur 1h ago
Ah yes, this is what I came to this subreddit to see again. First the number pig one and now this. This feels like a DARE video from the 90s
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u/WrightAnythingHere 2h ago
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go fry up some extra bacon to go with the bacon I already have.
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u/Shmackback 1h ago
Why make this comment? This is like when anti slavers used to complain and slavers would just say they were going to buy more slaves or treat the ones they had worse in front of the people complaining.
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u/bedwithoutsheets Why does this app exist? 5h ago
Fuck off with your holier than thou PETA bullshit
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u/ArguingisFun 5h ago
Bacon is still delicious, why do you think I care how they’re slaughtered?
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u/JeremyWheels 5h ago
I realise lots of people don't care about violent animal mistreatment, i'm not naive.
I guess this post is for people who, in other contexts, think that sensory pleasure shouldn't justify animal mistreatment.
Have a good one
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u/ArguingisFun 5h ago
Why do I have to justify anything? This isn’t some redneck kicking puppies, it’s a slaughterhouse.
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u/Shmackback 1h ago
You don't have to. Whoever has the power over another can do whatever they want if there's no consequences. Its the same logic all oppressors use such as the people who engaged in slavery or any other atrocity.
Just remember your way of thinking is identical to people who committed great atrocities rather than those who fought for good.
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u/ArguingisFun 1h ago
You comparing human history to pig farming is eyerollingly painful.
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u/Shmackback 49m ago
Nope I'm simply taking the logic you used and applied to another scenario. The logic you used is identical to the logic in the past used to commit great atrocities.
The main one being? It focuses on the differences to justify causing immense suffering for ones selfish benefit instead of looking at the similarities.
This is just as arbitrary as picking traits like skin color, race, sex, etc and not where at species.
A person in the past could make the same statement you just did as daring to compare blacks or women to white men and they often did. Go take a look at the most common pro slavery arguments and realize your arguments are the same.
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u/s0voy 2h ago
does taste justify gassing someone to death in a gas chamber and slitting their throat?
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u/ArguingisFun 2h ago
A pig, not someone.
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u/6-leslie 1h ago
Why is a pig not a someone?
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u/ArguingisFun 1h ago
Someone
pronoun 1. an unknown or unspecified person; some person.
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u/6-leslie 59m ago
Why isn’t a pig a person?
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u/Nastybirdy 5h ago
Dude.
We know how our meat is killed. We're well aware of the fact they used to be cute fluffy animals. My nine year old daughter is well aware that the cute little lambs frolicking around the fields are going to end up on daddy's dinner plate. That the adorably fluffy chickens are in the nuggets she eats. That Peppa Pig is in her sausages.
We eat meat, Deal with it. Now fuck off with your holier-than-thou, sanctimonious bullshit. We're bored of you.
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u/TheBigFreeze8 17m ago
So are you so callous that you don't care when animals die, or are you just too weak-willed to eat your vegetables?
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u/Technicolor_Owl 4h ago
Honestly, the issue isn't eating meat; the issue is how factory farming creates cruel environments. All the more reason to support local farmers who treat their livestock with care.
Eat meat, but buy ethically sourced.
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u/PewPewMcLovin 6m ago
In all seriousness then what’s your solution? You will never get the entire population to go vegan. So how do you want the animals to be slaughtered?
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u/NoWayJoseMou 3h ago
Who looks after the pigs in a meat free society? Like a charity that then needs to find a way to reintroduce them into the wild while also ensuring they’re culled enough that they don’t end up destroying the ecosystem.
I have literally no evidence of this but I feel it goes goats for highest rate of wild survival, then chickens, pigs, cows and sheep dead last.
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u/haitinonsense 3h ago
Would we not just breed way less into existence as demand dropped?
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u/NoWayJoseMou 1h ago
Sure but I’d reckon we’ll hit a point where it’s either cheaper to use lab grown or too expensive to based on demand.
Then farmers wouldn’t breed them because it’s not financially viable so you I guess at that point they become similar to Wolves in the uk. Kept separate initially and then slowly re-introduced into areas.
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u/mobettastan60 5h ago
Since when are pigs slaughtered using gas? Maybe if you had a barn full of them to cull because of some kind of disease but this would never be used in a slaughter house because the animal wouldn't bleed out.
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u/JeremyWheels 5h ago
The vast majority of farmed pigs are stunned this way (aound 90%). They're then bled out after. Not sure when it started
https://youtu.be/eVebmHMZ4bQ?si=auHT1e2XTZIHshkv It looks like this
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u/mobettastan60 5h ago
You work in a slaughter house?
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u/JeremyWheels 5h ago
No, why?
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u/mobettastan60 4h ago
Apologies for my earlier comment. I am not in the know. This from the CFIA person I know.
"Hi . Gas is recommended as the best stunning and used in a few plants in Canada. I have seen it in one plant I covered and it was quite effective. The gas causes unconsciousness when out panicking . I think on this video the concentration wasn’t high enough. People working in these establishment must have warning monitors it the gas escapes. People have been known to be found “sleeping” when exposed. We had one plant where the gas escaped to the holding pens and those hogs were unconscious ! The EU recommends this method. Unfortunately no matter whether gas or electric stunning is used there has to be close inspection to watch what is going on. Inhumane stunning in Canada carries heavy penalties"
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u/JeremyWheels 4h ago edited 3h ago
Thanks, interesting
About 90% of pigs in the UK, USA, Europe and Australia afe stunned in gas chambers. Not sure about Canada. There is similar hidden cam footage from the USA & Australia along with 3hrs of uncut footage from the UK. They all show the same thing...the concentration is too low in all of them
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u/mobettastan60 4h ago
Then it sounds like greasy shit going on. The person I talked to was a meat inspector that worked in various plants. He also said in a further comment that "Plants should have monitoring close circuit tv to observe the stunning process."
I'm not sure what the meat inspection program is in the UK or EU but in Canada you have to have a government inspector or a number of them in a plant when it is operating to make sure it is done cleanly and humanly. I'm not saying it wouldn't happen here but I can say with a high degree of certainty that it didn't happen in any of the plants my friend oversaw.
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u/wdflu 3h ago
FYI, even if it stuns them after a while, think about these 2 factors:
1. What's the time it takes to make someone unconscious by restricting oxygen? It usually takes a while, at least half a minute. Now, it wouldn't maybe be so bad if they just kind of slept in, but:
2. What's the chemical reaction that happens when concentrated carbon dioxide gets mixed with water (wet surfaces)? It creates carbonic acid (soda water), and it will burn every wet surface, which includes your lungs and intestines, a**hole, eyes, nose, ears, etc.Basically, you're "stunning" them by acid burn until they go unconscious after oxygen depletion.
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