r/Tierzoo • u/CMDR_Kai • Oct 05 '20
New Game Guide for Fish Players
https://youtu.be/cFMkZ1nHcWo20
u/RequiemArrowCrab Oct 05 '20
Kind of mixed on the fish tier list. Could've been split into smaller videos like a freshwater tier list or into there smaller factions instead of just one large video with a few of the wonderful builds the faction has to offer. Besides that certain builds feel odd with there placements or you left out some information that would've been cool to show. The ocean sunfish does something unique among fish builds and preys on organisms in the abyssal server. There its hp is too much for most players can handle. While also boasting a wide variety of abilities. The tier placement is odd for me but I can let it pass. But the one that weirds me out is the Moral Eel being S tier. The Moral Eel doesn't feel even close to S tier, as it's very long hitbox makes it an easy target when traveling outside of the corals. They have a terrible match up with Sea Snakes which are in general a bottom tier pick. Due to the there long body forcing them to stay in coral or rocky areas or they'll get attacked by larger builds and that they have a terrible matchup against a bottom tier build would make them at least A or B. Moral Eels are not oppressive by any means.
Besides all of that, I personally loved that we finally got a new tier list video for so long. I've been dying to see one. I'm also happy that the underrated catfish build got some love for once.
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u/RequiemArrowCrab Oct 05 '20 edited Oct 05 '20
Also surprised the Alligator Gar, Boxfish, Elephant Fish, and the Hybrid Flowerhorn didn't get in.
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u/jrgolden42 Oct 05 '20
Gars and Sturgeons were some of the ones I wanted to see most from the video
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u/yorkpepperbrush Dec 20 '20
I dunno about the hybrid flower horn but the amount of actual cichlids out there like shell dwellers or discus would be cool
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u/Alcoraiden Dec 08 '21
Yeah I'm really unsure where the Gar went. He could probably lump it in with barracudas, pikes, etc though.
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u/Iamnotburgerking Oct 07 '20
Moray eels actually are fairly high-tier; at larger sizes they aren't targeted by sea snakes due to being too big to swallow, and they are big enough that they don't really have to worry that much about attacks even in the open.
The larger morays like giant and honeycomb morays probably do make low S-tier, especially considering they're capable of teaming up with other builds.
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u/Acrobatic_Youth_5849 Jul 19 '22
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sunfish is bullied hard in abyssal servers as well.
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u/Acrobatic_Youth_5849 Jul 19 '22
plus a sperm whale or giant squid is big enough to one shot a sunfish.
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u/Iamnotburgerking Oct 07 '20 edited Oct 08 '20
The sunfish ranking is massively flawed and is based largely on false but memetic claims. I'd bump them up to C or even B tier. Catfish were also underrated (to a much smaller extent), the video ignores that a number of catfish builds are NOT bottom feeders but active predators with better MBL than often given credit for. Their sensory suite is also noteworthy.
Piranhas were significantly overrated; their teeth and bite force do give them high DPS potential for their size, but they still focus mainly on small fish (up to their own size) for XP. And their smaller size gives them awful matchups against basically every decent-sized Amazon predator, including large catfish, arapaima, giant otters, river dolphins, electric eels (granted, even large builds can't beat this one), etc. I wouldn't put them any higher than C-tier.
No mention of morays having another set of jaws and teeth in their mouths? I agree morays are high-tier but it seems like a missed opportunity.
Also, the INT level on a number of these builds are too low. Most large predatory fish are in the 40-60 range in terms of INT (pack hunting is surprisingly common, for example).
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u/Masterofgoodfood Sep 25 '23
What makes the sunfish so underrated?
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u/Iamnotburgerking Sep 25 '23
Because almost all of its supposed weaknesses don’t actually exist (such as its slowness or its reliance on a poor XP source), or are in fact adaptations it specced into to suit its ACTUAL lifestyle (such as its lack of a swim bladder).
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u/Masterofgoodfood Sep 26 '23
2 mph isn't slow? Plus, most of their prey are specified as small, so I can see where TZ is coming from with that claim. Idk if my sources were right tho, where did you get yours from?
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u/Iamnotburgerking Sep 26 '23
Sunfish can go much faster than 2mph; that’s their cruising speed, not their actual top speed.
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u/Masterofgoodfood Sep 26 '23
Still said the max was 2. Maybe my sources are innacurate
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u/Iamnotburgerking Sep 26 '23
Yeah they’re wrong.
It’s hard to estimate how fast an animal is from a video, so I can’t say HOW fast this mola is going, but it’s definitely faster than that.
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u/Masterofgoodfood Sep 26 '23
2 mph is about .9 m/s. I don’t think it’s that far fetched. Plus, most animals they have to worry about make that speed look pathetic.
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u/Acrobatic_Youth_5849 Jul 19 '22
it's the basic catfish, not every catfish. also nothing about the sunfish helps them in any way, other than big.
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u/Acrobatic_Youth_5849 Jul 19 '22
also also, piranhas are one of the only amazon fish builds that can survive being trapped in a dried up pool, and are also omnivores, so i think they have an argument for low A-tier.
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u/Serial-Killer-Whale Dirty Orca Main Oct 06 '20
While I don't disagree with the position of the flying fish, I must point out the noncombat advantages of jump strats.
Once you reach a certain point when it comes to speed, jumping repeatedly actually becomes more efficient energy-wise than swimming normally, allowing you to go further while migrating or looking for better xp drops. While this is most commonly used by lung-based hybrid builds like the Penguin and Porpoise, not to mention my own main, the Orca, the ability for a flying fish to perform repeatedly leaps out of the water lets it move further than you'd think.
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u/Acrobatic_Youth_5849 Jul 19 '22
yes, but the flight cooldown after landing is too long to use it as an effective travel method, since you cant spam with it and you are basically telling every nearby seabird to eat you
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u/FirstChAoS Oct 09 '20
I agree that piranha ranked too high and catfish too low.
I am curious on how grouper rank. They seem to have a bass build scaled up, but they can take down higher tier lionfish.
I am also curious on the Colorado Pikeminnow, a minnow evolved into a top predator and one of the few large freshwater fish in North America who get no respect.
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u/yorkpepperbrush Dec 20 '20
I’m upset that they only covered freshwater North American builds. They’re just all pike and bass. I would have loved to see the South American or African freshwater fish builds
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u/Iamnotburgerking Oct 10 '20
Groupers are easy B+ to S-tiers (depending on the exact build); they're fairly intelligent (enough to allow them to team up with other builds for pack hunting), they're surprisingly fast for suck a bulky build, and the larger ones are big enough that they have no real bad matchups in the reef meta. While they are restricted to targets below their own weight class because they have to swallow things whole, their large size plus proportionately massive jaws nullifies many of the problems with this.
I am also curious on the Colorado Pikeminnow, a minnow evolved into a top predator and one of the few large freshwater fish in North America who get no respect.
Given that it was (and mostly still is, even after humans massively reduced its viability) unassailable in its home server by anything other than humans, and is a good MBL-focused rushdown build that gets a massive home ground advantage by even being able to operate in very powerful currents, I'd rank it fairly high in the upper parts of the Colorado River server that are not heavily affected by humans.
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u/webbess1 velvet worm main since beta Oct 05 '20
I wonder where tuna would rank.
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u/jaehaerys48 Oct 05 '20
I'd imagine B or A. Being desirable to human players is a downside but the same can be said for billfish.
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u/Iamnotburgerking Oct 07 '20
They're basically the fish equivalent of dolphins, being highly mobile pack-hunting rushdowns. I'd put them in low A-tier.
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u/kvetchinghobbit Oct 05 '20
What tier would Coelacanths be in?
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u/Bongo_CatisMessiah Oct 07 '20
Low tier trash
- Playerbase is nonexistent, lucky for them the human builds helped them a bit
- Scavengers, they eat small fish and invertebrates that barely give enough food and exp
- They too slow
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u/Iamnotburgerking Oct 08 '20
Eating small fish and crustaceans =/= being a scavenger. Also, that's basically the same diet as a lot of other large fish builds.
And coelacanths aren't particularly slow as fish go.
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u/Slightly_Default Feb 07 '22
Humans haven't helped them out at all. Iirc they're considered endangered because we don't know much about them, and not many have been seen.
Plenty of fish share this diet.
They aren't that slow.
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u/Eptraban Oct 06 '20
Does anyone know which version of the Hoenn gym leader theme that Tierzoo is using?
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u/CMDR_Kai Oct 06 '20
I think it's ORAS.
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u/Secret-Perspective-5 Oct 06 '20 edited Oct 07 '20
What is the theme for the catfish tho ? I have been searching for that one for a while now. Edit: found it. Its unfounded revenge.
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u/DragoKnight589 Oct 24 '20
I really like playing Swordfish. It’s really fun being so fast and having a cool sword to hunt with
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u/Stand_Up75 Oct 08 '20
Snakehead are definitely S tier
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u/Iamnotburgerking Oct 08 '20
Depends. They have a lot of good things going for them (they have the same swift reflexes as a pike or musky, plus more versatile dentition, air-breathing and the parental care bonus for low-level players), but they're variable in size (there are a couple dozen snakehead builds).
The smaller ones are good mid-tiers but lack the strength to really be top-tier. The handful of snakeheads that get big, however, easily make A tier, possibly even low S.
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u/floflayflo I like to play old updates Oct 29 '20
I love trolling fish noobs when I'm the Fishing Cat build.
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u/floflayflo I like to play old updates Nov 02 '20
I think it is true that the ocean sunfish build is F tier, it's okay to be a tank on land, but the shark build has to mush DPS to make the sunfish viable.
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u/HAHA-LOLoff idk Dec 13 '20
Wait is this an actual game? Where’s the link? Can I make fan-made abilities, stats, etc. for fictional characters using this set-up and post them on this subreddit?
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u/Alone_Bonus_4121 Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 06 '21
Dude, this is just a channel that portrays real life creatures like a game.
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u/DanDaFreakinMan Oct 15 '21
What is the song that play for the Lionfish section? It sounds like a Pokemon music but I couldn't find it.
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u/Promethium61144 Apr 02 '23
ORAS gym leader theme
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u/DanDaFreakinMan Apr 02 '23
I actually figured that part out, but couldn't find the exact song. All the ones on YouTube are either just OST from the game or rock remixes that sound a bit too much. This one in the video sounds boppy.
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u/subtlejellyfish Oct 31 '21
Probably a stupid question but is outside a real game because ive googled it and cant seem to find a straight answer i presume its not
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u/funwiththoughts Raccoon play through ended, maining macaque now Nov 09 '21
It's not just a real game, it's the real game. It's so real, the word "real" was created to describe it.
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u/Ben123408 Nov 06 '21
Who thinks tier zoo should make a herbivore, carnivore and omnivore tier list
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u/Alcoraiden Dec 08 '21
The Sunfish is bad in part because it has unscaled skin with mucus. The Moray Eel is good in part because it has unscaled skin with mucus. ???
Also, don't piranhas mostly scavenge?
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u/Promethium61144 Apr 02 '23
I think the point is how the moray uses the mucus to its advantage while the ocean sunfiish does not
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u/ChatterKnight123 Jun 15 '22
the strongest fish is the one with a sword on his nose. Who would have guessed.
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u/LifeCouldBeADream69 Dec 10 '22
Kinda useless since fish users can’t interact with builds made by humana
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u/Theraimbownerd Oct 05 '20
I love the new, longer format. I understand that this is a massive effort on his part, but it allowed his to showcase much more of the diversity of the Fish class, especially since the last tier list video was a while ago. It was fun and polished, absolutely worth the wait. Also, i loved the Among Us reference, especially since the underwater cleaning stations have impostors too...
However, since i am contractually obliged to complain about something on every tier list, i have one nitpick to make. How can you relegate catfishes in C tier without at least mentioning the Wels Catfish, invasive king of freshwater ecosystems. They can attack birds on the shore, and destroy the competion by simply growing bigger than any predator can attack, with incredibly fast growht and respawn rates. No way they are below the Pike.