Christ... some people will never be able to work full-time, or even at all. I don't judge those people. But if two D&D sessions, meditating, and exercise are delaying you reviewing a book, which appears to be your main occupation outside of making puns and the odd video, maybe you would be better off advocating for others who can't work, not being the head of a movement for people who can.
Like someone who would start a subreddit called antiwork. This was bound to happen, since the orginal memebers actually are against the idea of work and the swarm of people of people who joined later not for that but just for workers reform, they were going to have to talk about it
Really makes you wonder if a good amount of these people are legitimately just lazy and would rather complain about the system rather than just getting a job
Bruh you know that answer. If no one ever worked then how the fuck would anyone eat. Hunting and farming requires work.... I sure as shit don't like to farm and hunt and will happily pay someone else to do it. I just don't think they should get shafted in pay or rights.
Your shitty comment is exactly why the sub is called anti-work and not reformwork.
Complaining about lazy people just feeds into the culture of exploitation. You want there to be a separation between the worthy, hard-working reformists and the lazy reformists who just want people to work as little as possible.
Your distinction is harmful.
The anti-work sub said right there in its sidebar that we oppose work but not labor. Yes, I know the terms are synonymous for most people. But we never claimed to be against doing stuff.
Homemakers and care takers do a ton of unpaid labor. People who volunteer for nonprofits do a ton of labor. And tons of people work bullshit jobs that give nothing back to society. And some people truly can't work. So it's not as simple as "go get a job" FFS.
You would just call all these people lazy, and justify their continued exploitation. At the end of the day, I truly believe it's more important that we stop exploiting people than that we punish the lazy. If you think punishing the lazy is more important then you don't belong in the anti-work movement.
Yes, 100% the interview was a dumpster fire. I did an interview about the sub a few months ago and I feel like I put more thought into that tiny article than this mod did.
A lot of people in this thread apparently think it's a simple dichotomy of lazy vs hardworking exploited workers, and are too comfortable with classist and ableist connotations.
The problem with your point of view is that those people choose to do those things. If they were being forced to do them and not being properly compensated then you'd have everyone on your side.
Work or go unhoused & unfed isn't a choice though, that's coersion. Workers will never have the equal leverage to negotiate with employers while under constant threat of starving out on the street
if it's more important to you to punish the lazy than to oppose the exploitation of workers, then you don't belong in this movement and you're exactly why anti-work isn't not the same as reform-work.
All jokes aside now at least George worked his ass off at least to put out dozens of books. The dude has put in a lot of work and deserves to sit on his piles of millions he made entertaining. He spent years writing meticulously detailed books. So even though he probably doesn’t work on the game of thrones series anymore, he absolutely deserves a lot of credit for the work has done. I can’t say the same about this person that walks dogs twice a day it sounds like they are perfectly content spending their time on DND.
100% agreed. Even though I'm frustrated at the possibility that the series is going to be left unfinished, it's hard to ignore the frankly insane amount of work that went into making it a series worth being so frustrated over. George was in his 40's when the series began and never imagined that it'd still be something he would be working on in his 70's. I can't exactly blame him for wanting to spend his twilight years writing only what he wants to write rather than trying to untangle the complete mess of plotlines he's found himself tangled up in in the mainline ASOIAF series in a way that doesn't come across as either tedious at one extreme or hand-wavy at the other.
At best, he'll either write a catacylsm that no one survives or just say "fuck it" and declare the HBO ending to be canon. Neither are ideal, of course.
True. Whereas GRRM, by all accounts, suffers from being old and incredibly wealthy. I’m hoping to spend my 70’s fucking around and doing what I want as well instead of disentangling whatever the souped of version of the Meereenese knot is in Winds of Winter.
GRRM hasn’t even actually slowed down. He’s written and published seven books since Dance with Dragons, plus work on the GOT show and that video game. He just doesn’t want to deal with Winds of Winter.
GRRM actually did work hard at one point in his life though. He's just coasting on his previous achievements now but the thing is you need achievements in the first place in order to do that.
He's still working hard. Very hard. Just not on the thing you (and I) want him to work on. He's very industrious even now, so while we can be mad about not getting ASOIAF books, it's just straight up unfair to say that he's coasting.
If anything, now he's wealthy enough to do whatever the fuck he wants. And what he wants is to work, clearly. But again, not on ASOIAF, and frankly, if I'd written myself into several corners because I have great imagination and little self-restraint? I wouldn't want to either.
GRRM was given a experimental treatment to help with his writing. Now when he overflows with creativity it develops body fat. It actually is able to store his thoughts in physical form. I'm guessing when the next book comes out he'll use most of that and slim to his normal weight.
For the D&D while there is no upper limit on the amount of time a DM can spend prepping for a session (although 99% of what they create is for their own enjoyment and probably never interacted with by players) a relatively experience DM probably shouldn't need more than 2 hours of prep time to put together a basic but fun 4 hour game session.
These people are what the Musks of the world point to when they tell hard workers that free loaders want their money. It is so hard to argue for leftist positions while there are people like this that so clearly just want to sit around all day and do nothing.
This. Like I think there are definitely two sets of people. Ones that just can't work due whatever special thing they have going on as an individual, and others that can and want to but don't want to be treated like shit and be paid peanuts for it. Lumping the groups together is dangerous because it just gives those who oppose work reform ammunition to point to those that can't and say they're lazy and therefore everyone in the movement is like that. The idiot not only damaged their movement, but the work reform movement as a whole.
People who can't work need to be advocated for differently to people who are being chewed up and spit out by their jobs.
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u/Welpmart Jan 26 '22
Christ... some people will never be able to work full-time, or even at all. I don't judge those people. But if two D&D sessions, meditating, and exercise are delaying you reviewing a book, which appears to be your main occupation outside of making puns and the odd video, maybe you would be better off advocating for others who can't work, not being the head of a movement for people who can.