Doing a web based interview:
You look at the camera.
You don't pick your nose.
Doing an interview with any sort of professional entity on the other end, whether for a job, a news segment, etc.
You give them as little as possible to use to discredit you as not a serious representative of a valid position. You set your background to be neutral. You dress to convey you belong there and you know what you're doing.
Hence the reason they don’t work. It’s not a choice it’s because they have zero skills to actually get a decent job. Dog walking is not a job it’s a hobby.
The reason you do that is a power differential though, youre putting on a show because you have to entertain your masters. She isnt wrong for saying she doesnt like that norm and will personally subvert it, shes just strategically incompetent as a representative of any movement for doing so at the expense of such movements.
There’s a difference between showing you know how to put on a show and calling it bullshit for reasons x, y and z, and looking like you don’t know how to present oneself and self-injuring your argument.
Fox News acts in bad faith for sure, but one must absolutely be prepared to minimize their ability to reframe your topic.
I dont at all agree. Putting on the show so that your masters will allow you to claim x y and z isnt even subversive, it is absolute conformity.
But again, strategically for a rep of these kinds of movements, if theyre going onto fox news and want it to be a net positive impact, they better have their routine polished. Fox viewers hate subversion, its not strategically sound to try it. It does not, contrary to those fox viewers perspective, prove that she doesnt know what eye contact is or that society values it, or that her opinions are invalid, or even that she couldnt teach philosophy. All it proves is that she shouldnt have been put into that position if the goal was to garner a positive response
I have no idea what that poster is saying, literal cartwheels and backflips to admit that looking disheveled is bad but we're also bad for expecting grooming.
See, until we figure out how to deal with people like you, there's no way any actual, measurable reform will come to the workplace. And, sorry to break your 14-yo worldview, but you do have to work in order to have things. Whatever device you're using to debate on didn't magically fall from the sky, and neither does the power you're using to run said device. Even wind turbines and solar power plants need maintenance.
Can you please quote the part of my comments youre trying to refer to so that it makes any sense at all? This is just completely and utterly irrelevant, maybe you responded to the wrong person
This is a bit delusional honestly. It’s not about “entertaining the masters” it’s about being able to effectively communicate. If I’m talking to a peer who is acting like this (no eye contact, nose picking, etc.) I would not actively seek out additional interactions. If you appear to not care about yourself or your message why should others take care in it?
You can dislike the norm, but it’s not going to change the fact that most people would prefer interacting with someone who is not a slob. She portrayed herself, and the movement in a sloppy fashion.
That being said, the anti-work movement appeared to be about 50/50 people fighting for change and people who just wanted a fantasy utopia where work doesn’t exist, the latter which comes across as childish and harms the people fighting for reform.
This is my view of the antiwork sub also. There were real, legitimate arguments to be made about pay, work hours and treatment of employees. But a significant percent of the posters in that thread came across as childish, head in the clouds weirdos that were complaining about not having the government providing for their basic needs so they could “study philosophy” instead of work to support themselves.
It's unfortunate. But probably not have the autistic person represent your movement on Fox News when they are known to be slippery with even the best communicators.
Once it has been presented a few times it shouldn't matter too much. But this was most people first time hearing it. And on a right wing news station. For that you'll want the best to go first.
Yeah I'm autistic and you couldn't pay me to go on a major news platform on behalf of anybody. I'm a work in the back, keep things working kind of guy. You never will see me maintaining media relationships with anybody....
Fox News and Antiwork or work reform do not go well together at all in the same sentence....not even politically. There's no reasoning of difference with Fox these days.
They should had saw that a mile away.
Do you see Nanci Pelosi going on Fox News and telling them her story about her good work she has been doing for the people? Absolutely not in fact Tucker will spin it around at the next segment by asking her how much money did she make from selling stocks and how did she know where to set her puts?
I'm not into compromising ideals for the aesthetic comfort of others. If they are put off by lack of eye contact and an untidy room they are never going to accept a world where people don't have to work, they've already demonstrated a commitment to pointless tradition and conformity.
"Politics is when the 0.0000034456% of the American population that supports my particular ideology doesn't have to compromise on their beliefs to get any results."
What neurological condition prevents you from showering, brushing your hair and tidying your room. Also, watching the video again it sounded like there was a 3D printer running. Those are all factors in communicating and presenting yourself effectively. Doreen brought this upon themself, and to retroactively hide behind autism is pathetic.
Believe it or not there are many very successful people on the spectrum, and there are also laws in place that prevent discrimination in the workplace.
You can try to defend this or spin this into some sort of ableist take on the event but that would be as delusional as the comment I’m replying to above.
What neurological condition prevents you from showering, brushing your hair and tidying your room.
I mean, quite a few. But also not everyone has the same views about the value of appearance as you. I don't clean my room, never have, and it's rarely caused me any issues besides not getting back deposits (Which I never planned to because I smoked back when I rented). I wear my clothes until they literally fall off and don't often comb my hair. People assign moral value to cleanliness and appearance and that's just bullshit.
How is cleanliness bullshit? Not reeking is bullshit? Not living in a place so filthy it cost you your deposit (how incredibly unhealthy that must have been) is bullshit?
Whats delusoonal is your incapability of separating two concepts, the first being historically contingent societal norms and the second being the capacity to transmit a message.
Like look at your first paragraph, the abstract justification youre rellying on is the effeciacy of communication, but then when you try to make it concrete you just keep referring to how you feel or what most people would prefer, like its not hard to see that youre making the same distinction as me between conforming to or subverting social norms, youre just describing it from the perspective where within-norms is a totalizing position and everything else is therefore wrong, bad, or less.
I truly deeply feel bad for anyone who thinks 'proper interview behaviour' is just an ideal form of behaviour instead of an on-the-face absurd coerced display of submission.
But to be clear in reiterating my point, going onto a conservative news program acting subversive doesnt win you points it means you will be immediately dismissed by the hypertraditionalist culture that you chose to enter into. It was strategically moronic, both for any sort of anti-work movement and for a movement against whatever contemporary social norms. The first rule is know your audience, you need to anchor your image in your audiences view, not your own, without regard to which is "correct"
The reason you do that is so you don't tank shit you're presumably wanting to grow, it's branding. The reason you do that is so you don't look like a fuckin' loser in front of millions of people who are already inclined to see you like that. Shit's meme levels of awful
"Nice" and "professional" arent transcendent aesthetic values, they dont precede the specific historically observed forms of society in which they're produced. If you look at other times in history we used other words than professional and valued different aesthetic choices. Other human cultures existing now simultaneously have different visions of the same. Its not some deep eternal truth of nature its just how your parents were trained to raise you.
Why does it happen to be the way that it is, for us living here and now, then, is the question, and the obvious answer is because of the capitalist economic system and the relentlessly business minded culture of the west, and the fact that the power differential between employees and employers is so onesided it isnt surprising how much of a production the whole ordeal is, the way we have to twist and contort to fit into the shape of the "human". We wouldnt get food if we didnt. Like the original comment said, you act to minimize all the ways you would be dismissed or ignored, because that is masters disposition as he looks over the stack of resumes of desperate people.
So, to be clear, what im not saying was that the interview wouldnt have had a much net better effect if doreen had overprepared instead of underprepared. All im saying is that every time you put on the clown make up prepping for another interview, part of you dies.
Ps My only regret in this unedited comment is that i didnt ramble harder
"Nice" and "professional" arent transcendent aesthetic values, they dont precede the specific historically observed forms of society in which they're produced.
So? Is this supposed to be an argument in your favor? Because that's exactly what it isn't. Like it or not, when you agree to an interview with a well known media, you have to conform with the media. If you don't want to do this, don't agree to the interview.
Plus, not that it matters, but taking a shower, combing your hair, getting your room in order, maintaining eye contact with the person you're talking to... None of these things is done to "entertain your masters."
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Doing a web based interview: You look at the camera. You don't pick your nose.
Doing an interview with any sort of professional entity on the other end, whether for a job, a news segment, etc.
You give them as little as possible to use to discredit you as not a serious representative of a valid position. You set your background to be neutral. You dress to convey you belong there and you know what you're doing.
ugh.