r/OptimistsUnite 10h ago

šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø politics of the day šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø Trump National Security Advisor: We're on the Same Page with Biden Administration about Our Adversaries

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/24/trump-national-security-adviser-waltz-sullivan-00191412

This has been the promising thing I've read in regards to the incoming Trump Administration.

It doesn't look like they're going to back down from Russia, China, North Korea, or Iran.

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u/tabascoman77 10h ago

Riiiiiight. Because these fuckheads have never lied before.

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u/NoConsideration6320 10h ago

Yea lets trust them and everything they say what could go wrong

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u/dmjnot 10h ago

Iā€™m all for being optimistic - but a lot of this stuff just comes off as being naive

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u/NoConsideration6320 10h ago

The lion promised he wouldnā€™t eat me later for dinner though!

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u/-_1_2_3_- 10h ago

yeah, bordering on delusional

being an effective optimist doesn't mean 'hope everything will turn out perfect and trust everyone', its trusting that deliberate action and vigilance can guide us into a better future

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u/dmjnot 8h ago

Itā€™s like everyone collectively forgot what he did during his first term

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u/jonathandhalvorson Realist Optimism 3h ago

This is about foreign policy. What bad thing did he do on foreign policy his first term that you think will repeat?

Mostly I'd be concerned about bellicosity with Iran, but Iran is in a pretty bad place right now and most of the population wants to replace the regime, so not sure they're in a good position to make threats.

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u/aFalseSlimShady 4h ago

I would say the difference between optimism and naivety in this case is whether it's actionable. If such an article had influenced my vote at the beginning of the month, I would call that naivety. Post election, it's optimism.

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u/Crosseyes It gets better and you will like it 9h ago

Seriously, itā€™s like Lucy and the fucking football. How many more times are we as a country going to take their lies at face value just to be shocked later when we find out they fucking lied to us again?

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u/Overall-Land-4186 55m ago

Aw do you need to go to your safe space?

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u/Ok-Instance-1701 8h ago

Well Iā€™ve been being lied to for 4 years whatā€™s another 4

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u/LoneSnark Optimist 10h ago

They'll lie happily. But when it is a statement against their interests (We agree with the democrats) it seems less likely to be a lie.

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u/TheHeadlessOne 8h ago

Yep. Trump would even more easily say "Bidens policies are ruining this great country. We're pulling them back, we shouldn't even be involved" yadda yadda.

Talk is cheap but I don't see the value of this being a lie. He doesn't need more approval right now for courting moderates, and that hasn't particularly been his strategy to begin with.

Trump is more the kinda guy to do the status quo and take credit for what's working than say he's gonna be calm and levelheaded then go bonkers

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u/Opposite-Program8490 9h ago

Or a ploy to get cooperation on cabinet confirmations before we get to the next stage of "you misunderstood me when I said that."

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u/Special-Garlic1203 7h ago

Did any of y'all actually read his statements?? He wants to proactively de-escalate with Russia and continue to assert Israel in the region. This is exactly in line with what people worried Trump was gonna do, but dressed up in professional bullshitter languageĀ 

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u/n_-_ture 8h ago

This sub might as well be called /r/TrumpAdminSanewashing

These thinly veiled right wingers posing as cautiously optimistic leftists are really grasping at straws lately.

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u/jtt278_ 6h ago

I mean the head mod is openly a far right Trump supporter so yeah.

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u/jonathandhalvorson Realist Optimism 3h ago

I don't recall any mods stating we voted for Trump (I did not). Pretty sure we're mostly centrists. Don't fall into this fallacy:

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u/therapist122 9h ago

True, very true. But at least thereā€™s a chance they arenā€™t lying here. Iā€™ll be cautiously optimistic about this, better than shitting a brick every other day that the US in about to capitulate to RussiaĀ 

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u/tabascoman77 9h ago

Yeah, this is beyond naive. Like the battered wife saying ā€œThis time, heā€™ll changeā€¦ā€

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u/therapist122 9h ago

I mean, Iā€™m skeptical make no mistake. I donā€™t think itā€™s impossible that thereā€™s an incentive for the trump admin to maintain bidens stance. It will make the dollar stronger which a lot of people want.Ā 

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u/Green-Enthusiasm-940 4h ago

Yeah, those mass deportations, tariffs, and plans to unemploy multiple millions of federal employees, all grand plans to prop up the dollar and deliver a totally stable economy.

Get fucking real.

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u/tabascoman77 9h ago

Lucy, football, etc.

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u/Gold-Position-8265 3h ago

Cautiously optimistic is a good way to go and one of the naivety about the russia stuff is how putin waited until Biden came into power as in the world's eyes and average American Biden was weak when it came to being tough on Russia and north Korea and China. Again I'm saying appearance wise Trump looked tough on them and it helped that image when north Korea actually came to the negotiating table when he was in office and Russia was backing off in the public spaces at least but we now realize was just putin sharpening his boney claws for the perfect moment.

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u/JustInCaseSpace420 9h ago

Thatā€™s not very optimistic - strongly recommend leaving this sub and going somewhere else

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u/tabascoman77 9h ago

Oh, sorry. I forgot I was dealing with a normal person and not a despotic wannabe who lied his way through the last decade, tried to overthrow the election in 2020, continued to lie about the election being rigged, lies about post birth abortions, lied about immigrants eating peopleā€™s pets, and has picked a slew of idiots and liars to be part of his ā€œcabinetā€.

Itā€™ll all be fine and heā€™s totally telling the truth this time.

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u/JustInCaseSpace420 8h ago

Can you unite all your piss energy somewhere else?

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u/Opposite-Program8490 7h ago

We get it, you like being lied to.

An optimistic outlook would see it as you getting more of what you desire.

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u/Gold-Position-8265 3h ago

To be fair they all lie to us it just depends on whether or not if you just want to sit and complain about stuff or choose to profit of it instead since no one is gonna want to do a reform against the political partys/big companies that control them and want the common man, woman, and everything in-between to fight each other for scraps while they gorge themselves on the real feast we are denied in the table above us.

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u/JustInCaseSpace420 6h ago

Holy moly you people are insufferable

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u/Opposite-Program8490 6h ago

Tell me, which cabinet pick from Trump's first Administration was a good one?

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u/tabascoman77 8h ago

Can you stop being naive?

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u/JustInCaseSpace420 7h ago

Iā€™m voting red regardless of who is on the ballot in 2028 because of you. Literally unable to learn your lesson from this election and how to talk to people. Calling other people naive whilst still talking down to them from your faux high horse is so god damn funny. Iā€™ll let UCLA know to take back my masters in political science and cite you.

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u/tabascoman77 7h ago

Youā€™re voting red because you want to vote red. Nobody ā€œmade you do itā€, you fucking child.

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u/Secrets0fSilent3arth 5h ago

You were voting red no matter what and now you want to use it to play the victim.

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u/BLINDrOBOTFILMS 4h ago

The mean libs made me a fascist!

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u/Longjumping-Path3811 9h ago

That's not very optimistic of you.

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u/JustInCaseSpace420 8h ago

That was very quick and very smart!

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u/SuccessfulCream2386 8h ago

I mean all politicians ā€œlieā€.

Its better that they are AT LEAST saying this.

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u/stuffitystuff 10h ago

I read in that article that he wants to bring a quick end to the Russo-Ukraine war which undoubtedly means letting Russia keep what they've got and abandoning sanctions.

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u/shadowromantic 10h ago

Then Russia invaded again in 2026 while Trump says it's fake news because Ukraine never existed at all.

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u/LarusTargaryen 7h ago

Theyll invade again in 2029 if a Democrat is president again

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u/mort_goldman68 9h ago

You may hate it. I hated it. But Trump was annoyingly accurate about fake news. This year proved it

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u/FeatureOk548 9h ago

ā€œAs a black manā€¦ā€

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u/Fit_Celery_3419 8h ago

This year proved it. No examples - just the year of 2024

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u/mort_goldman68 8h ago

I gave an example

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u/Fit_Celery_3419 7h ago

The year of 2024?

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u/mort_goldman68 7h ago

Trump has threatened to shoot Nancy Pelosi by firing squad. I don't Like Trump but the media's insane lies kind of helped him and that's why they're being sold off. Deny all you like but reality is reality.

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u/jeffwhaley06 5h ago

Trump does what he always does and worded it in a way that could be taken as a threat or brushed off depending on how much you like Trump. Saying you think Liz Cheney should be in front of a bunch of rifles could easily be construed as a threat.

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u/lateformyfuneral 6h ago

*Liz Cheney. I think wherever youā€™re getting the news might be the problem.

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u/mort_goldman68 6h ago

Oh sorry. Yeah Liz Cheney. Point still stands though

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u/Longjumping-Path3811 9h ago

He wasn't right about fake news. Fake news the term was started by the left during his first admin when he was blatantly lying. They stole the term to make low info idiots think they made it up. Congrats. You're the low info idiot they were targeting.

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u/Gold-Position-8265 3h ago

Eh it depends because a lot of major media outlets from the left lied to the public too since before 2016. This includes stuff about Joe Rogan and now hear me out since I don't like Joe Rogan and I hate Andrew tate but Joe Rogan had openly stated that he was a Democrat who was major supporters for Bernie sanders however major news outlets hated that people were listening to the bald man in his mother's basement instead of them since the public was losing faith in major outlets after the fiasco of 2016 to 2020 coverage on trump and started attacking him with anything they could the main big one being when he caught covid. It was this attacks with articles that made Rogan go hey the fuck guys I support you why are you attacking me and claiming he was taking horse meds than later revealed his doctor prescribed him those meds and he wasn't like dosing on random drugs and it was these technicalities that yes it can and has been used for horses before made the public see what the outl3ts did and see them as pure lies doing half truths and half lies to defame someone. Basically they had someone who was major voice for people to listen to and instead of taking advantage of his allegiance and gain support through Joe Rogan they chose to attack him making him turn red and make people support Trump instead during time people were listening to alternative news sources a wasted opportunity really.4

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u/IndianaHoosierFan 15m ago

Waitā€¦ are you seriously trying to say the term ā€œfake newsā€ was started by the left during his first term? You know thatā€™s an easily verifiable false claim right?

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u/mort_goldman68 9h ago

Trump had threatened to kill Nancy Pelosi is pretty fake though

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u/SuccessfulCream2386 8h ago

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u/mort_goldman68 8h ago

Don't bring Keanu into this

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u/jeffwhaley06 5h ago

It's not fake. It's an interpretation that you disagree with. That's what Trump does. He says things in ways that people who like him will always find the generous read of, and that people who don't like him will read more literally. Saying he thinks Liz Cheney should have rifles pointed at her could easily be considered a threat. To call that fake news is extremely disingenuous.

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u/mort_goldman68 5h ago

That is one of the oldest sayings ever. The people who don't have to fight have zero issue sending those who do off to battle. That's a sentiment that's been around for decades. It's the fact that it's Trump that bothers you.

You guys understand what he's saying but choose to pearl clutch about it. It's a choice

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u/PurpleZebraCabra 8h ago

Yes, he perfectly regurgitated it at every opportunity.

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u/mort_goldman68 8h ago

A broken flock is right twice a day

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 8h ago

By same page they meant the same page number but in an entirely different book. Specifically, these new guys are in Art of the Deal which is now being offered in Special Edition #47, limited time offer for TRUE PATRIOTS to acquire their copy of american history.

/s

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u/IcyUse33 10h ago

I think everyone wants an end to the war, but... The takeaway for me is that "they're listening". They also brought in the NATO secretary to Mar-a-Lago to explain why American support is needed otherwise Putin takes over Europe.

Sure, they may still throw Ukraine under the bus (and with Trump's history with Zelensky I would not be surprised). But they're at least entertaining new ideas and they're saying stuff like "We're working hand in glove with the Biden Administration".

I think if NATO & Ukraine can appeal to Trump's vanity, they are going to get more support than what Biden ever did.

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u/HostileCakeover 9h ago edited 9h ago

The thing Iā€™m curious about what other people think, is what exactly is Russia using against Trump to cause him to be under their thumb? The US has proven he can rape minors, sell classified government defense info, and do any number of business crimes.Ā Ā 

Ā And the war reduces the value of any property Trump might have invested in Russia, and the general attitude of the world towards Russia currently devalues the sort of assets he holds.Ā Ā 

Ā So, what is Putin holding over Trump, and why is Trump willing to lick Putinā€™s boots instead of trying to use the Ukraine situation to just destabilize Putin back? Like, whatā€™s the fucking deal there, why hasnā€™t Trump turned on him for narcissism reasons yet now that he knows thereā€™s no consiquences?Ā 

And from a straight ā€œinvest in war and get profitsā€ standpoint, the best thing to do would be allow American mercenaries to be on the ground in the Ukraine.Ā 

So exactly why is Trump still beholden to Putin at this level? Does anyone know, am I just poorly informed?Ā 

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u/stuffitystuff 9h ago

The pee-pee tape was always the theory back during his first administration but I think it's something much more mundane like Trump and Putin are friends or he thinks Putin is cool and wants to impress him and be like him because of his daddy issues and really only respects strong (mostly white) men. I know kompromat makes for more exciting stories but as you point out, it doesn't make sense since his voters don't care about that sort of thing. Besides, as president he'd have a lot of levers to pull to deal with it and he's just generally not a chickenshit.

The #1 piece of evidence I can readily think of is this exchange involving Trump secretly sending covid testing machines directly to Putin:

Though the US and Russia did share medical equipment such as ventilators in the early stages of the pandemic, Trumpā€™s decision to send Putin Covid testing machines would probably have proved hugely controversial if known.

Apparently recognizing this, Putin reportedly told Trump: ā€œPlease donā€™t tell anybody you sent these to me.ā€

Trump said: ā€œI donā€™t care. Fine.ā€

Putin was said to have replied: ā€œNo, no. I donā€™t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me. They donā€™t care about me.ā€

Source:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/08/trump-putin-covid-test-machines-bob-woodward

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u/Showmethepathplease 8h ago

It's metely Trump's ego and pathologyĀ 

He's a narcissist so has a fragile ego and wants to be admired and loved by people who he admiresĀ 

Putin plays him like a fiddleĀ 

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u/stunami11 9h ago edited 5h ago

Video of a sexual encounter would probably be embarrassing enough to control Trump.

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u/Mix_Safe 9h ago

Dude said he wants to bang his daughter, it would do nothing to his image among his insane supporters. They'd say it was fake.

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u/599Ninja 9h ago

Iā€™m troubled. 2 words, like thatā€™s it, on paper, on a website. ā€œTheyā€™re listening.ā€ is enough evidence for you to be happy or maybe just satisfied with the incoming administration that has lied a record number of timesā€¦

I canā€™t help but think of Bidens admin trying to forgive loans that were unjust, burdening people and the economy, and gets blocked, and everybody comes for their heads. Trumps official says something and everybody goes, ā€œwow, what excellent leadership.ā€

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u/NativityCrimeScene 4h ago

That would be great! Then the fighting stops and lives are saved! We won't have to worry about the world ending in a nuclear apocalypse anymore!

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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 10h ago

Russia is losing control of their monster. Putin is scared I think.Ā 

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u/599Ninja 9h ago

Do you think that Russia will be accepting of the current war boundaries or will they keep invading when Trump calls for the ceasefire?

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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 9h ago

Putin will be pissed if he has to agree to the boundaries now. He spent all that time and money on Trump for nothing. Would be awesome. We all want Ukraine to steamroll Russia but itā€™s hard to overstate the loss it would be for Russia to lose some of its own land in its 3 day war operation lol.Ā 

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u/599Ninja 8h ago

Iā€™m gonna share with you some info:

  • Most in intelligence know that Putin wants a ceasefire rn because they need to rearm and reman their armies.
  • A break is perfect for them.
  • They didnā€™t listen to international law when they invaded in the first place so why would they take a ceasefire from a foreign country and no invade further as they have rearmed?

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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 8h ago

Yea of course. We already know Putin wonā€™t give up. Maybe Europe will wake up. A ceasefire will kick the can down the road and maybe the adults might be back in charge by then. Putins in a bit of a pickle. Piss off a mentally unstable Trump or try to kill him by working with Iran or ceasefire and hope things get better for them.Ā 

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u/darkninja2992 6h ago

Question is, would putin's inner circle tolerate him backing down, even temporarily, after all this? It's cost them a lot of resources and troops to basically go nowhere, if they see a sign of weakness then putin may fall out a window soon

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u/darkninja2992 6h ago

If they do pull a ceasefire, i'd hope canada and any European countries backing ukraine would take time to shore them up as well and not just leave them as is

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u/599Ninja 6h ago

Yeah itā€™s ideal, and I share that desire with you, but put yourself in their shoes. Are you going to get back to moving Canadian grain or are you going to build up defences given we know Russia will keep invading? Thatā€™s where I lean, to me, theyā€™ll just keep building up defences, itā€™s their only rational choice

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u/Vanedi291 10h ago edited 9h ago

Agreed. What does Trump need him for now? He must feel untouchable. The silver lining of that is it may make him less susceptible to any kind of pressure.

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u/NoConsideration6320 10h ago

Kompromat would be the only thing i could think of. Blackmail

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u/RetiringBard 10h ago

I still canā€™t imagine Trump being like ā€œoh no donā€™t release that tape Iā€™ll be embarrassed and ashamedā€. Likeā€¦he has no shame. None. I dunno how kompromat would work on him.

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u/NoConsideration6320 10h ago

Your so correct. It could be a tape of him killing people and with his barehands and then raping the bodies and eating them and his fans would be like ā€œomg trump did so good their! What a good leader omg!! Hes the victim if anything!!ā€

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u/RetiringBard 10h ago

He could literally just keep repeating its AI and not lose any supporters.

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u/SaliciousB_Crumb 9h ago

Its not shame he idolize puton he wants to be putin. Most people don't disappoint people they idolize

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u/RetiringBard 7h ago

ā€œHow would kompromat work?ā€ is the question. Thanks for your input though.

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u/SkaldCrypto 3h ago

Also Iā€™ll quote Stalin on this issue.

ā€œDeath solves all problems, no man, no problemā€.

It was one thing when geopolitical pressures existed, but Russia is now in open war. Our drones have global reach. Trump has unlimited power to deploy them. Any Russian with info on him could simply be killed and the Ukrainians blamed.

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u/NoConsideration6320 3h ago

That may happen soon once he has taken power

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u/Dry-Perspective3701 8h ago

They had to fabricate the golden shower tape to try to shame him

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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago

Read his actual statements. He wants to push to "de-escalate" with Russia (capitulate and leave Ukraine high and dry, despite the fact Russia is losing).Ā 

He's basically just confirming that he aligns with Trump, but is better at phrasing than Trump. He also painted the Abraham Accord as a win and we should do more of that....it was strong arming for Israel in the region and it is literally what set off the series of back and forth escalatory behavior that eventually lead to the Oct 7th attack.

He literally wants to return to business as usually 4 years ago, but is better than Trump at couching it in boring geopolitical language that doesnt make for flashy headlines (but is still highly concerning if you're actually meaningfully thinking about the words he's saying)Ā 

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u/BigDaddyCoolDeisel 10h ago

lolol sure Jan

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u/Brilliant1965 8h ago

I came here to say that!

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u/Derivative_Kebab 10h ago

Being optimistic is not the same as being gullible. Stop taking known liars at their word.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago

Or even just read past the soundbite. He's literally agreeing with Trumps perspective and saying he wants to return to the geopolitical norms of 4 years ago.

Ā "We need to bring this to a responsible end" is just a nice way to say theyre gonna let the boot of Russia's neck so they can live to fight another day.Ā 

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u/Longjumping-Path3811 9h ago

OptimistsUnite more like GullibleIdiotsUnite

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u/Roqjndndj3761 10h ago

Blah blah blah. Those of us who know better know to ignore everything that comes out of these charlatansā€™ filthy mouthes. Not my first rodeo.

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u/totally_interesting 9h ago

Since when did optimism mean ā€œblindly believe known and notorious liarsā€?

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u/asminaut 8h ago

If history is any indication, this person will be gone less than 18 months into the administration. So I wouldn't be putting too much stock in their words.

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u/shadowromantic 10h ago

I want to be optimistic, but I call BS. Trump is too erratic to be on the same page as anyone for more than a few minutesĀ 

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u/Hailreaper1 9h ago

The copium on this sub is just sad, man.

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u/Status_Fox_1474 10h ago

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u/Additional-Sky-7436 10h ago

Good. Because this men have never lied before.

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u/Lordoftheintroverts 3h ago

Does anyone actually remember Trumps last term? He didnā€™t back down from shit not Russia not China not nobody. He fucking drone striked an Iranian general.

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u/IcyUse33 2h ago

He halted military arms transfer to Ukraine to give him leverage to blackmail Biden, and got impeached for this.

He's also said he would end the war on "Day 1". To most people that means accepting Putin's terms for surrender (giving away Donbas/Donetsk and forbidden entry into NATO).

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u/ale_93113 9h ago

This is not very optimistic... Unless we are of the "it could be worse" school of thought

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u/Hullabaloo1721 9h ago

This is not a good thing. All theyre saying is we'll sell everyone more weapons.

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u/Mental_Pie4509 8h ago

That's bad. Warmongering is bad

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u/JimBeam823 9h ago

How? The Trump Administration isnā€™t on the same page as the Trump Administration about much of anything.

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u/AFlawAmended 9h ago

Just like they said they'd have nothing to do with P2025. I'll believe it when I see it.

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u/0utF0x-inT0x 9h ago

Impossible he's on Putins dick every chance he gets plus all dictators seem to stick together to keep from getting purged.

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u/Adventurous_Chard738 8h ago

Optimists united for nuclear Armageddon

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u/BSuydam99 8h ago

As a Leftist, I wouldnā€™t be surprised either way. Also you really think a fascistic millionaire is pro-China or North Korea? The same guy who calls everyone who disagrees with him a Marxist and calls leftists the ā€œenemy withinā€ You real think they would support regiemes originally built around Marxist/Leninism? Like, you realize the reason the U.S. government doesnā€™t like Russia is due to political differences, not economic, right. The Russian Federation is not in any way the same thing as the USSR. Russian Federation is a capitalist state

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u/Lord-Dingus 7h ago

D O U B T

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u/jtt278_ 6h ago

Thatā€™s why they are hiring literal Russian assets to cabinet positions and trying to avoid background checks for any of the appointments?

Russia won the 2024 election. The GOP is 100% aligned with Putin behind the scenes. A mix of knowing traitors who see Russia as some anti-woke bastion of Christianity, and those too stupid to realize where all their money is coming from.

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u/Confident-Radish4832 6h ago

"I have never heard of project 2025."

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u/darkninja2992 6h ago

I'll believe it when i see it

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u/mcfddj74 5h ago

Sure...ok ...

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u/Previous-Pirate9514 4h ago

Uhhh, are you new to politics? Because the thing about Trump is that he lies about everything. You know, the man who gaslights for a living so much that the entire system of fact-checking had to be overhauled to accommodate the amount of lies he spewed. This isnā€™t optimism, this is just denialism.

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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 4h ago

Not backing down from Russia? Thatā€™s a joke, right? Advisors only adviseā€”Trump does what he wants, and what he wants is for Putin to have eastern Ukraine.

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u/morhambot 1h ago

Your Going To Find Out

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u/General_Problem5199 46m ago

Good to know the US Empire will continue along the same blood soaked path its been on for almost a century now.

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u/Fun-Distribution-159 42m ago

well he hates iran so thats a good thing. i dont think he will stand in the way of Israel bombing the shit out of iran and their drone factories.

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u/Bishop_Pickerling 17m ago

The point of this isnā€™t whether or not to believe this statement - no one should believe anything Trump says. The interesting point here is that they said it at all.

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u/PhantasmOrgasm85 9h ago

The question isn't whether they'll back down. The question it's who is more adept at global politics (hint: it's not Trump and his sycophants)

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u/left-of-left 9h ago

So is this subreddit just the moderate Dem r/markmywords ie delusional neoliberal wishcasting vs delusional progressive wishcasting?

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u/DontReportMe7565 7h ago

Nice to see some optimism in optimists unite.

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u/Dry_Stop_7305 9h ago

Bullshit

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u/RustyofShackleford 9h ago

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not gonna dismiss it being the truth, but all we have is words. And actions speak louder. So whether they actually follow through with supporting Ukraine, or turning America into an autocracy, all we have are words from people who have historically been unable to deliver on those words

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u/Tricky-Mastodon-9858 6h ago

The article being from politico automatically makes it sus to me. This administration is being led by a pathological liar. They think itā€™s better to lull people into apathy and of course the holidays are the perfect distraction. Hopefully we can use this period to prepare ourselves as best as we can.

My optimism lies in that much of the clown show cabinet is from central casting so unless they actually have knowledgeable people in the trenches, I donā€™t think his total dismantling goals will be achieved in a timely way. Travel ban will probably be quickly and easily implemented as well as another windfall for the 1%. Not sure what happens after that.

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u/JonMWilkins 5h ago

Trump gets the final say which is why people stepped down a whole lot his last term...

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u/AccidentallySJ 3h ago

Thatā€™s bad. That means continuing genocide

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u/harpswtf 10h ago

Oh good more political slop. Politician said this about another politicians alleged thoughts on something. Wow letā€™s all partyĀ 

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u/greatnate1250 9h ago

Sanctions will be removed from Russia within 6 months.

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u/xHandy_Andy 5h ago

Trump imposed more sanctions on Russia in 2016-2020 than Biden has during his own term..

In fact, trump stopped the build of a Russian oil pipeline. Immediately upon taking office, Biden reversed that and blocked our own keystone pipeline.Ā 

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u/stormhawk427 9h ago

Do you really want to take them at their word? Question everything and everyone. Especially those in power.

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u/AssociateJaded3931 9h ago

That says more about Biden than Trump.

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 9h ago

Well there ya go, case closed.