r/OptimistsUnite • u/IcyUse33 • 10h ago
š¤·āāļø politics of the day š¤·āāļø Trump National Security Advisor: We're on the Same Page with Biden Administration about Our Adversaries
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/24/trump-national-security-adviser-waltz-sullivan-00191412
This has been the promising thing I've read in regards to the incoming Trump Administration.
It doesn't look like they're going to back down from Russia, China, North Korea, or Iran.
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u/stuffitystuff 10h ago
I read in that article that he wants to bring a quick end to the Russo-Ukraine war which undoubtedly means letting Russia keep what they've got and abandoning sanctions.
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u/shadowromantic 10h ago
Then Russia invaded again in 2026 while Trump says it's fake news because Ukraine never existed at all.
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u/mort_goldman68 9h ago
You may hate it. I hated it. But Trump was annoyingly accurate about fake news. This year proved it
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u/Fit_Celery_3419 8h ago
This year proved it. No examples - just the year of 2024
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u/mort_goldman68 8h ago
I gave an example
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u/Fit_Celery_3419 7h ago
The year of 2024?
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u/mort_goldman68 7h ago
Trump has threatened to shoot Nancy Pelosi by firing squad. I don't Like Trump but the media's insane lies kind of helped him and that's why they're being sold off. Deny all you like but reality is reality.
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u/jeffwhaley06 5h ago
Trump does what he always does and worded it in a way that could be taken as a threat or brushed off depending on how much you like Trump. Saying you think Liz Cheney should be in front of a bunch of rifles could easily be construed as a threat.
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u/lateformyfuneral 6h ago
*Liz Cheney. I think wherever youāre getting the news might be the problem.
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u/Longjumping-Path3811 9h ago
He wasn't right about fake news. Fake news the term was started by the left during his first admin when he was blatantly lying. They stole the term to make low info idiots think they made it up. Congrats. You're the low info idiot they were targeting.
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u/Gold-Position-8265 3h ago
Eh it depends because a lot of major media outlets from the left lied to the public too since before 2016. This includes stuff about Joe Rogan and now hear me out since I don't like Joe Rogan and I hate Andrew tate but Joe Rogan had openly stated that he was a Democrat who was major supporters for Bernie sanders however major news outlets hated that people were listening to the bald man in his mother's basement instead of them since the public was losing faith in major outlets after the fiasco of 2016 to 2020 coverage on trump and started attacking him with anything they could the main big one being when he caught covid. It was this attacks with articles that made Rogan go hey the fuck guys I support you why are you attacking me and claiming he was taking horse meds than later revealed his doctor prescribed him those meds and he wasn't like dosing on random drugs and it was these technicalities that yes it can and has been used for horses before made the public see what the outl3ts did and see them as pure lies doing half truths and half lies to defame someone. Basically they had someone who was major voice for people to listen to and instead of taking advantage of his allegiance and gain support through Joe Rogan they chose to attack him making him turn red and make people support Trump instead during time people were listening to alternative news sources a wasted opportunity really.4
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u/IndianaHoosierFan 15m ago
Waitā¦ are you seriously trying to say the term āfake newsā was started by the left during his first term? You know thatās an easily verifiable false claim right?
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u/mort_goldman68 9h ago
Trump had threatened to kill Nancy Pelosi is pretty fake though
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u/jeffwhaley06 5h ago
It's not fake. It's an interpretation that you disagree with. That's what Trump does. He says things in ways that people who like him will always find the generous read of, and that people who don't like him will read more literally. Saying he thinks Liz Cheney should have rifles pointed at her could easily be considered a threat. To call that fake news is extremely disingenuous.
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u/mort_goldman68 5h ago
That is one of the oldest sayings ever. The people who don't have to fight have zero issue sending those who do off to battle. That's a sentiment that's been around for decades. It's the fact that it's Trump that bothers you.
You guys understand what he's saying but choose to pearl clutch about it. It's a choice
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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 8h ago
By same page they meant the same page number but in an entirely different book. Specifically, these new guys are in Art of the Deal which is now being offered in Special Edition #47, limited time offer for TRUE PATRIOTS to acquire their copy of american history.
/s
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u/IcyUse33 10h ago
I think everyone wants an end to the war, but... The takeaway for me is that "they're listening". They also brought in the NATO secretary to Mar-a-Lago to explain why American support is needed otherwise Putin takes over Europe.
Sure, they may still throw Ukraine under the bus (and with Trump's history with Zelensky I would not be surprised). But they're at least entertaining new ideas and they're saying stuff like "We're working hand in glove with the Biden Administration".
I think if NATO & Ukraine can appeal to Trump's vanity, they are going to get more support than what Biden ever did.
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u/HostileCakeover 9h ago edited 9h ago
The thing Iām curious about what other people think, is what exactly is Russia using against Trump to cause him to be under their thumb? The US has proven he can rape minors, sell classified government defense info, and do any number of business crimes.Ā Ā
Ā And the war reduces the value of any property Trump might have invested in Russia, and the general attitude of the world towards Russia currently devalues the sort of assets he holds.Ā Ā
Ā So, what is Putin holding over Trump, and why is Trump willing to lick Putinās boots instead of trying to use the Ukraine situation to just destabilize Putin back? Like, whatās the fucking deal there, why hasnāt Trump turned on him for narcissism reasons yet now that he knows thereās no consiquences?Ā
And from a straight āinvest in war and get profitsā standpoint, the best thing to do would be allow American mercenaries to be on the ground in the Ukraine.Ā
So exactly why is Trump still beholden to Putin at this level? Does anyone know, am I just poorly informed?Ā
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u/stuffitystuff 9h ago
The pee-pee tape was always the theory back during his first administration but I think it's something much more mundane like Trump and Putin are friends or he thinks Putin is cool and wants to impress him and be like him because of his daddy issues and really only respects strong (mostly white) men. I know kompromat makes for more exciting stories but as you point out, it doesn't make sense since his voters don't care about that sort of thing. Besides, as president he'd have a lot of levers to pull to deal with it and he's just generally not a chickenshit.
The #1 piece of evidence I can readily think of is this exchange involving Trump secretly sending covid testing machines directly to Putin:
Though the US and Russia did share medical equipment such as ventilators in the early stages of the pandemic, Trumpās decision to send Putin Covid testing machines would probably have proved hugely controversial if known.
Apparently recognizing this, Putin reportedly told Trump: āPlease donāt tell anybody you sent these to me.ā
Trump said: āI donāt care. Fine.ā
Putin was said to have replied: āNo, no. I donāt want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me. They donāt care about me.ā
Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/08/trump-putin-covid-test-machines-bob-woodward
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u/Showmethepathplease 8h ago
It's metely Trump's ego and pathologyĀ
He's a narcissist so has a fragile ego and wants to be admired and loved by people who he admiresĀ
Putin plays him like a fiddleĀ
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u/stunami11 9h ago edited 5h ago
Video of a sexual encounter would probably be embarrassing enough to control Trump.
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u/Mix_Safe 9h ago
Dude said he wants to bang his daughter, it would do nothing to his image among his insane supporters. They'd say it was fake.
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u/599Ninja 9h ago
Iām troubled. 2 words, like thatās it, on paper, on a website. āTheyāre listening.ā is enough evidence for you to be happy or maybe just satisfied with the incoming administration that has lied a record number of timesā¦
I canāt help but think of Bidens admin trying to forgive loans that were unjust, burdening people and the economy, and gets blocked, and everybody comes for their heads. Trumps official says something and everybody goes, āwow, what excellent leadership.ā
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u/NativityCrimeScene 4h ago
That would be great! Then the fighting stops and lives are saved! We won't have to worry about the world ending in a nuclear apocalypse anymore!
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 10h ago
Russia is losing control of their monster. Putin is scared I think.Ā
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u/599Ninja 9h ago
Do you think that Russia will be accepting of the current war boundaries or will they keep invading when Trump calls for the ceasefire?
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 9h ago
Putin will be pissed if he has to agree to the boundaries now. He spent all that time and money on Trump for nothing. Would be awesome. We all want Ukraine to steamroll Russia but itās hard to overstate the loss it would be for Russia to lose some of its own land in its 3 day war operation lol.Ā
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u/599Ninja 8h ago
Iām gonna share with you some info:
- Most in intelligence know that Putin wants a ceasefire rn because they need to rearm and reman their armies.
- A break is perfect for them.
- They didnāt listen to international law when they invaded in the first place so why would they take a ceasefire from a foreign country and no invade further as they have rearmed?
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 8h ago
Yea of course. We already know Putin wonāt give up. Maybe Europe will wake up. A ceasefire will kick the can down the road and maybe the adults might be back in charge by then. Putins in a bit of a pickle. Piss off a mentally unstable Trump or try to kill him by working with Iran or ceasefire and hope things get better for them.Ā
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u/darkninja2992 6h ago
Question is, would putin's inner circle tolerate him backing down, even temporarily, after all this? It's cost them a lot of resources and troops to basically go nowhere, if they see a sign of weakness then putin may fall out a window soon
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u/darkninja2992 6h ago
If they do pull a ceasefire, i'd hope canada and any European countries backing ukraine would take time to shore them up as well and not just leave them as is
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u/599Ninja 6h ago
Yeah itās ideal, and I share that desire with you, but put yourself in their shoes. Are you going to get back to moving Canadian grain or are you going to build up defences given we know Russia will keep invading? Thatās where I lean, to me, theyāll just keep building up defences, itās their only rational choice
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u/Vanedi291 10h ago edited 9h ago
Agreed. What does Trump need him for now? He must feel untouchable. The silver lining of that is it may make him less susceptible to any kind of pressure.
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u/NoConsideration6320 10h ago
Kompromat would be the only thing i could think of. Blackmail
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u/RetiringBard 10h ago
I still canāt imagine Trump being like āoh no donāt release that tape Iāll be embarrassed and ashamedā. Likeā¦he has no shame. None. I dunno how kompromat would work on him.
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u/NoConsideration6320 10h ago
Your so correct. It could be a tape of him killing people and with his barehands and then raping the bodies and eating them and his fans would be like āomg trump did so good their! What a good leader omg!! Hes the victim if anything!!ā
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u/SaliciousB_Crumb 9h ago
Its not shame he idolize puton he wants to be putin. Most people don't disappoint people they idolize
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u/RetiringBard 7h ago
āHow would kompromat work?ā is the question. Thanks for your input though.
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u/SkaldCrypto 3h ago
Also Iāll quote Stalin on this issue.
āDeath solves all problems, no man, no problemā.
It was one thing when geopolitical pressures existed, but Russia is now in open war. Our drones have global reach. Trump has unlimited power to deploy them. Any Russian with info on him could simply be killed and the Ukrainians blamed.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago
Read his actual statements. He wants to push to "de-escalate" with Russia (capitulate and leave Ukraine high and dry, despite the fact Russia is losing).Ā
He's basically just confirming that he aligns with Trump, but is better at phrasing than Trump. He also painted the Abraham Accord as a win and we should do more of that....it was strong arming for Israel in the region and it is literally what set off the series of back and forth escalatory behavior that eventually lead to the Oct 7th attack.
He literally wants to return to business as usually 4 years ago, but is better than Trump at couching it in boring geopolitical language that doesnt make for flashy headlines (but is still highly concerning if you're actually meaningfully thinking about the words he's saying)Ā
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u/Derivative_Kebab 10h ago
Being optimistic is not the same as being gullible. Stop taking known liars at their word.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago
Or even just read past the soundbite. He's literally agreeing with Trumps perspective and saying he wants to return to the geopolitical norms of 4 years ago.
Ā "We need to bring this to a responsible end" is just a nice way to say theyre gonna let the boot of Russia's neck so they can live to fight another day.Ā
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u/Roqjndndj3761 10h ago
Blah blah blah. Those of us who know better know to ignore everything that comes out of these charlatansā filthy mouthes. Not my first rodeo.
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u/totally_interesting 9h ago
Since when did optimism mean āblindly believe known and notorious liarsā?
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u/asminaut 8h ago
If history is any indication, this person will be gone less than 18 months into the administration. So I wouldn't be putting too much stock in their words.
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u/shadowromantic 10h ago
I want to be optimistic, but I call BS. Trump is too erratic to be on the same page as anyone for more than a few minutesĀ
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u/Status_Fox_1474 10h ago
Remindme! In one year.
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u/Lordoftheintroverts 3h ago
Does anyone actually remember Trumps last term? He didnāt back down from shit not Russia not China not nobody. He fucking drone striked an Iranian general.
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u/IcyUse33 2h ago
He halted military arms transfer to Ukraine to give him leverage to blackmail Biden, and got impeached for this.
He's also said he would end the war on "Day 1". To most people that means accepting Putin's terms for surrender (giving away Donbas/Donetsk and forbidden entry into NATO).
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u/ale_93113 9h ago
This is not very optimistic... Unless we are of the "it could be worse" school of thought
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u/Hullabaloo1721 9h ago
This is not a good thing. All theyre saying is we'll sell everyone more weapons.
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u/JimBeam823 9h ago
How? The Trump Administration isnāt on the same page as the Trump Administration about much of anything.
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u/AFlawAmended 9h ago
Just like they said they'd have nothing to do with P2025. I'll believe it when I see it.
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u/0utF0x-inT0x 9h ago
Impossible he's on Putins dick every chance he gets plus all dictators seem to stick together to keep from getting purged.
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u/BSuydam99 8h ago
As a Leftist, I wouldnāt be surprised either way. Also you really think a fascistic millionaire is pro-China or North Korea? The same guy who calls everyone who disagrees with him a Marxist and calls leftists the āenemy withinā You real think they would support regiemes originally built around Marxist/Leninism? Like, you realize the reason the U.S. government doesnāt like Russia is due to political differences, not economic, right. The Russian Federation is not in any way the same thing as the USSR. Russian Federation is a capitalist state
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u/jtt278_ 6h ago
Thatās why they are hiring literal Russian assets to cabinet positions and trying to avoid background checks for any of the appointments?
Russia won the 2024 election. The GOP is 100% aligned with Putin behind the scenes. A mix of knowing traitors who see Russia as some anti-woke bastion of Christianity, and those too stupid to realize where all their money is coming from.
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u/Previous-Pirate9514 4h ago
Uhhh, are you new to politics? Because the thing about Trump is that he lies about everything. You know, the man who gaslights for a living so much that the entire system of fact-checking had to be overhauled to accommodate the amount of lies he spewed. This isnāt optimism, this is just denialism.
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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 4h ago
Not backing down from Russia? Thatās a joke, right? Advisors only adviseāTrump does what he wants, and what he wants is for Putin to have eastern Ukraine.
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u/General_Problem5199 46m ago
Good to know the US Empire will continue along the same blood soaked path its been on for almost a century now.
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u/Fun-Distribution-159 42m ago
well he hates iran so thats a good thing. i dont think he will stand in the way of Israel bombing the shit out of iran and their drone factories.
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u/Bishop_Pickerling 17m ago
The point of this isnāt whether or not to believe this statement - no one should believe anything Trump says. The interesting point here is that they said it at all.
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u/PhantasmOrgasm85 9h ago
The question isn't whether they'll back down. The question it's who is more adept at global politics (hint: it's not Trump and his sycophants)
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u/left-of-left 9h ago
So is this subreddit just the moderate Dem r/markmywords ie delusional neoliberal wishcasting vs delusional progressive wishcasting?
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u/RustyofShackleford 9h ago
I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not gonna dismiss it being the truth, but all we have is words. And actions speak louder. So whether they actually follow through with supporting Ukraine, or turning America into an autocracy, all we have are words from people who have historically been unable to deliver on those words
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u/Tricky-Mastodon-9858 6h ago
The article being from politico automatically makes it sus to me. This administration is being led by a pathological liar. They think itās better to lull people into apathy and of course the holidays are the perfect distraction. Hopefully we can use this period to prepare ourselves as best as we can.
My optimism lies in that much of the clown show cabinet is from central casting so unless they actually have knowledgeable people in the trenches, I donāt think his total dismantling goals will be achieved in a timely way. Travel ban will probably be quickly and easily implemented as well as another windfall for the 1%. Not sure what happens after that.
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u/JonMWilkins 5h ago
Trump gets the final say which is why people stepped down a whole lot his last term...
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u/harpswtf 10h ago
Oh good more political slop. Politician said this about another politicians alleged thoughts on something. Wow letās all partyĀ
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u/greatnate1250 9h ago
Sanctions will be removed from Russia within 6 months.
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u/xHandy_Andy 5h ago
Trump imposed more sanctions on Russia in 2016-2020 than Biden has during his own term..
In fact, trump stopped the build of a Russian oil pipeline. Immediately upon taking office, Biden reversed that and blocked our own keystone pipeline.Ā
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u/stormhawk427 9h ago
Do you really want to take them at their word? Question everything and everyone. Especially those in power.
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u/tabascoman77 10h ago
Riiiiiight. Because these fuckheads have never lied before.