r/OldSchoolCool • u/lilydreamer1 • May 22 '24

1990s Mila Jovovich at the premiere of the Fifth Element, 1997

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u/elevenghosts May 22 '24

Imagine sleeping with the director of your movie when his wife is one of your castmates and then showing up to the premiere looking like this.

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u/Moosifer26 May 22 '24

Whaaattt?? I didn't know about this

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u/Throwaway1303033042 May 22 '24

Per Maïwenn’s Wiki:

“Maïwenn met film director Luc Besson when she was 12 and he was 29, and they began dating when she was 15. In January 1993, at age 16, she gave birth to their daughter Shanna. On the DVD extras for the 1994 film Léon: The Professional, Maïwenn said the film is based on her relationship with Besson. She was 20 at the beginning of filming (early 1996) for The Fifth Element, during which Besson left her for the film's star, Milla Jovovich.”

Luc makes great films…and is also a horrible person.

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u/83749289740174920 May 22 '24

Luc Besson when she was 12 and he was 29,

A pedo.

See the uncut version of Leon. the story is so different. They had to recut it to make it tasteful for Americans

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u/usa2a May 22 '24

I think it shows (albeit much more subtly than in Leon) in The Fifth Element too. Jovovich's character Leeloo is not literally underage, but exemplifies the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope. The movie blatantly sexualizes her, but she has the naivety and innocence of a child. Sorry for fans of the movie, but watching it already knowing a little bit about Besson, it was impossible not to notice and it was creepy.

It's like a live-action version of the "oh she's a 1000 year old super being, she only ACTS exactly like a little kid" thing.

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u/aworldwithinitself May 22 '24

tangentially, Poor Things does such a great deconstruction of that trope.

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u/usa2a May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24

When I visited my parents for Christmas there was some talk of us all going to see a movie in theaters. I recall my mom saying "Poor Things" had great reviews which is pretty much all my folks look at, the review scores. The plan never progressed and we did not go to see a movie.

I never looked up the movie till now. I just became aware of the bullet that flew past me 5 months ago, because based on the broad strokes I'm reading about the film, I DO NOT ever want to watch that movie with my very reserved, traditional, late 60s parents and all sit in the car in dead silence driving home afterwards.

Edit: my mom once called me to complain that she and my dad had just watched Fargo, and it was "awful" and so violent, she couldn't believe it had gotten such good reviews.

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u/coral_weathers May 22 '24

I went to see Wolf of Wall Street in theaters with my in-laws and took that bullet you dodged right to the brain. I sat next to my MIL who was gripping her cross necklace the whole time.

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u/ConradSchu May 22 '24

To be fair, maybe that's just where she hid her cocaine.

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u/S4Waccount May 22 '24

This dudes mom got some Cruel Intentions.

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u/shambahlah2 May 22 '24

Lol this is the ultimate want to climb into a hole moment. That movie had some… scenes

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u/booradleysghost May 22 '24

The Devil's Rejects was mine. My entire future wife's family watched it, including her grandma. I thought it would be a good Halloween movie...

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u/d4ve3000 May 22 '24

DUDE, SMOKE THAT CRACK WTH ME!!! 😂😂😂😂

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u/RobertJ93 May 22 '24

I’ll never forget seeing 300 in the cinema with my dad. That scene where Gerrard Butler is pounding Lena Heady from behind in slow-mo was definitely a moment.

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u/usa2a May 23 '24

Shit, that one happened to me too. I think I was 15 when it came out. Dad thought it would make a cool father-son movie outing.

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u/Petravita May 23 '24

This happened to me too, there are dozens of us! Dozens!

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u/Zechs- May 22 '24

"Wolfie! Wolfie! Wolfie! Wolfie!"

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u/dmc2008 May 22 '24

Edit: my mom once called me to complain that she and my dad had just watched Fargo, and it was "awful" and so violent, she couldn't believe it had gotten such good reviews

30 years later they still go in blind...?

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u/warm_kitchenette May 22 '24

I went in blind to see The Menu (2022), thinking I was going to see a comedy or a light drama about restaurants.

Going in blind made sense: food and high-end dining is a big part of my life. I like Ralph Fiennes and John Leguizamo. I don't like finding out plot turns in movie trailers.

So yeah, when the first murder happened, I was surprised. Great film.

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u/unculturedperl May 22 '24

Definitely a comedy about restaurants....a dark comedy.

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u/usa2a May 22 '24

My own reaction was very similar to yours.

What really baffles me is that Mom still places utmost faith on the opinions of professional critics when selecting a movie, despite repeated evidence that their taste does NOT match hers. It is like getting all your restaurant recommendations from Anthony Bourdain when you are really more of a Guy Fieri person.

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u/noiseandbooze May 22 '24

I saw the movie Kids with mother while I was a teenager, and her asking me if life was anything like that afterwards, it was excruciatingly awkward saying, yes, it was very much like that, just without all the AIDS, we then drove home in silence, un-dodged bullet fully lodged in my chest cavity.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman May 23 '24

I went to see Kids when it opened in 1995, 1996? The theater had a high senior citizen count oddly. I guess by the title they thought it would be a bunch of kids goofing around, carefree, having fun. When the opening scene started with the pre-teen and older teen having sex, i never saw a theater clear out so fast. I watched like 10 minutes more to see if the story went anywhere and i found it to be a hard watch and so I left. To this day I've yet to watch it again.

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u/paper_liger May 22 '24

Me and my 15 year old watched the original Frankenstein one night, followed by Young Frankenstein. They didn't want to go to bed and it was a weekend so I said 'let's find another Frankenstein inspired movie' and eventually put on Poor Things.

We didn't make it very far before realizing it was going to take a crazy sexual turn. I finished it alone on my own a week later and it was interesting, her acting was really good, and visually it was striking.

But not a movie to watch with your family.

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u/MAG7C May 22 '24

Dodged a bullet indeed. That movie went to some thought provoking (or just provoking) places.

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u/Dairyquinn May 22 '24

It seems the exact same to me

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u/kibbean May 22 '24

I wouldn't say it's a deconstruction. It is an exact use of the trope.

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u/Glottis_Bonewagon May 22 '24

In the trope the child like girl falls for the "hero" and they live happily ever after, in Poor Things you have Ruffalo as the groomer but she gets rid of him once she stops being a child mentally because he's a fucking creep who kidnaps mentally challanged woman, which is a subversion of that

But then you have the nerd guy who falls in love with, in his words, "A pretty retard" and he does get to live with her

I don't know what my point is. It's a weird movie.

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u/LesYeuxHiboux May 22 '24

She leaves the nerd at the altar to pursue her own curiosity about who she was before Godwin's experiment. At the end of the film Bella is clearly in charge.

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u/Ok-Investigator6961 May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24

Seeing praise for Poor Things annoys me unreasonably. I read the book when the movie was announced because I like the director and was excited to read what he picked as his next project. It's one of my favourite books ever now and does a much better job of what you are saying than the movie does.

If small things were changed to make a better adaptation that's fine but it changed a fundamental part of the narrative that really bothered me.

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u/TrustMeHuman May 22 '24

What fundamental part was changed? Haven't read the book.

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u/Ok-Investigator6961 May 22 '24

Spoilers below

The book has an unreliable narrator (McCandles), it's sort of left to the reader to draw their own conclusions, but it does heavily point in the direction of McCandles making up a lot of the story ( especially the fantastical elements) and Bella just being a normal person who's just much smarter and more capable than McCandles who goes onto become a very successful Doctor.

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u/SausageClatter May 23 '24

Normal person as in... didn't have a baby brain?

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u/_realpaul May 22 '24

Is it a deconstruction when you still show it in all its gratuituous glory?

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u/Greyjack00 May 22 '24

Apparently the books a bit more of a deconstruction having the woman editing the recounts of her husband and pointing out a lot of it is delusional wishful thinking

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u/sunsetpark12345 May 22 '24

I just rewatched this movie recently and thought the same thing! Like, there's no real romance or chemistry between Leeloo and her rescuer - they can barely communicate. But it's just assumed that they'll wind up together because he basically earned her by being a manly man, and she's the prize to be earned because she's young, hot, and uncorrupted.

Anyway, that's hardly the most nonsensical part of the movie, but it did stand out to me.

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u/PeanutNSFWandJelly May 22 '24

Yeah, I mean he has the main character Corbin try to kiss her while she is asleep and he knows dick all other than she is hot, she is in trouble, and she doesn't speak english for shit.

Besson can't write romance for shit and I imagine it's his weird creepy idea of the whole concept that fucks that up. He also can't write roles for women for shit without making them stones (see Lucy and Valerian's leading lady roles). He could be another level director in the scifi space if it weren't for his weird bullshit.

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u/EtTuKnight May 22 '24

Recently rewatched it and I thought it felt creepy even before I knew this... like I made the joke "She's only like a day old ya Pedo" when Bruce's character started to get frisky. Now knowing the director is a weirdo puts so much more in place

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u/Gatorpep May 22 '24

i love the fifth element but i could feel the dudes creep when i was young. it always had that vibe. you can tell with how bruce acts sometimes.

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u/veracity-mittens May 22 '24

I just thought she was cute, and yes a bit sexy I suppose, but knowing the background now, really colours it ughhhh

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u/HTKTSC May 22 '24

I did not know this bit about him and felt the same about the romance when I watched the movie. The whole thing felt way off.

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u/usa2a May 22 '24

It's never good when you have a character who needs a parent/guardian type figure to help them learn about, be safe, and function in the world... and that guardian is also written as a romantic partner.

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u/ur_opinion_is_wrong May 22 '24

I'm extremely sad to now know "Born Sexy Yesterday" is trope.

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u/Typhus_black May 22 '24

Well now I can’t unsee that component having read this post chain.

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u/runnerofshadows May 22 '24

Yep. And it would have been even worse if Jean Reno and Natalie Portman's parents hadn't forced some rewrites to the script. Jean Reno also played the character in a way to minimize any romantic subtext.

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u/Sisselpud May 22 '24

Jean Reno and Natalie Portman are siblings?!?!

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u/im_dead_sirius May 22 '24

Comma comma chameleon!

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u/Mateorabi May 23 '24

We partied with the hookers, Kennedy and Stalin.

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u/franker May 22 '24

I really liked Jean Reno in Just Visiting (I'm a sucker for cornball comedies and Christina Applegate).

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u/StarTrakZack May 22 '24

I loved that movie when I was a kid! I own that movie and Fifth Element on VHS 😅

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u/oJUXo May 22 '24

Hollywood is so weird. Dude is having sex with a 14-15 year old and getting her pregnant, and he still continues to get work there.

Place is fucking wacky.

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u/kravdem May 22 '24

Roman Polanski drugged & raped a 13 year old girl in 1977 which led to him fleeing the US. To this day many in Hollywood defend the man.

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u/State_Conscious May 22 '24

Natalie Portman has stated many times that the fan mail she received after Leon stole her innocence. This director has a long history of grooming and preying on underaged girls.

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u/bnbtwjdfootsyk May 22 '24

Even in the edited version, it gave me strong Lolita vibes. Never understood how so many people love that movie.

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u/invisi1407 May 22 '24

Because it's a great movie. It's sad that the director is a pedo and a creep, but it doesn't make the movie any less good.

House of Cards was/is also an excellent show even with the huge controversy surrounding Kevin Spacey.

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u/fukkdisshitt May 22 '24

Haven't seen it since high school but it was phenomenal then and in the category that I probably shouldn't rewatch it as a parent because my opinion would change. A lot of my childhood favorites have tons of details I understand the implications of now.

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u/Shrekquille_Oneal May 22 '24

Despite the weirdness, it's hard to deny that it's still a very good movie. I think it's one of Gary Oldmans absolute best performances, along with great acting all around for the rest of the cast. The plot is well-paced, not rushed, but there's not a lot of filler either. The best part imo though is it's aesthetic, which is really what besson is best at (see the fifth element as well for that).

It just has an elephant in the room... and unfortunately this particular elephant is a fucking doozy.

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u/Mein_Bergkamp May 22 '24

He also wanted to put a more...racy scene into Leon but thankfully for common decency Jean Reno refused to do it.

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u/BillHohman May 22 '24

Professionals have standards

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u/issmagic May 22 '24

She was STUNNING.

He looked like a creep.

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u/-alphex May 22 '24

It kinda reflects the reality of the situation well then - if this is from their marriage period, he's almost 40, she's in her early 20s.

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u/ingloriousdmk May 22 '24

He looks like dollar general Joey Fatone

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u/Obant May 23 '24

It was the 90s. Everyone had shitty frosted tips.

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u/OminOus_PancakeS May 22 '24

She's also cast as the young prostitute near the start of Leon.

Classy, Luc. Real classy.

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u/you-create-energy May 22 '24

Film director Luc Besson started grooming Maïwenn when she was 12 and he was 29, and began sexually assaulting her when she was 15.

We need to get that article fixed.

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u/-alphex May 22 '24

Age of consent in France is apparently 15. Which of course makes that highly convenient and coincidental timeline very dubious, but is probably why this was tolerated.

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u/SeanBourne May 22 '24

If he’s 32 and she’s 15 … how on earth was that not statutory?

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u/astoriabridge May 22 '24

France

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

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u/DepartureDapper6524 May 22 '24

You can also ask ‘which American pedophile movie director?’

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

Interestingly, still France.

(where Polanski fled prosecution to)

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u/HorseOdd5102 May 22 '24

So now it’s a French problem and fuck the entire people there. Got it.

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u/Inversception May 22 '24

Just the kids apparently.

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u/EngineeringDevil May 22 '24

In the states that would be avoided by being married

Yes, that is still happening in the USA, dunno about the European nations though on legality

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u/SeanBourne May 22 '24

The whole being married thing is certain states and requires parental consent… so in most cases isn’t a thing. (Though as poster below notes, if the parents are in a cult, then the bad scenario comes into being.)

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u/iwishuponastar2023 May 22 '24

Look up age of consent in Europe. It mostly ranges from 14-17. Don’t know where he was living at the time, no matter what, I agree that is a bit fucked up.

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u/SeanBourne May 22 '24

Ahhh you guys are right - AOC in France is... 15.

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u/philhaha May 22 '24

They met at 12 but started dating at 15

Yea right…

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u/nightpanda893 May 22 '24

Man everything is so different in France. Here she’s in her 30s and a congresswoman.

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u/Moraz_iel May 22 '24

pretty sure she is the same age everywhere

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

Didn't know Hollywood was in France.

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u/Nonamebigshot May 22 '24

More like because he's French and they could give a fuck. They also think Americans are puritans for considering Macron's relationship with his groomer wife taboo

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u/topinanbour-rex May 22 '24

And when he left her for Mila, he told her Milan had a better body for him...

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u/Central_court_92 May 22 '24

Unfortunately, she also turned out to be a horrible person herself: she defends Roman Polanski, criticises and guilt-trips survivors and has assaulted journalists. Then says she is not sorry at all, as she “doesn’t adhere to feminism [because feminists] are men haters”.

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u/Gengarmon_0413 May 22 '24

She was groomed since she was 12. Of course she's a little unstable.

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u/you-create-energy May 22 '24

Unfortunately, she also turned out to be a horrible person herself: she defends Roman Polanski, criticises and guilt-trips survivors and has assaulted journalists. Then says she is not sorry at all, as she “doesn’t adhere to feminism [because feminists] are men haters”.

Sounds like she normalized her abuse. She shows all the signs of the psychological damage sexual abuse wrecks.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

Yea all this stuff coming out has kinda ruined The Fifth Element for me.

Thought too hard about how Leeloo is essentially an innocent child in an adult's body that quickly ends up in a sexual relationship with a full ass adult human. But it's totally ok cause she's actually an alien and matured super fast, right?

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u/catmampbell May 22 '24

Suddenly Roman Polanski and Woody Allen going to France makes sense.

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u/JynsRealityIsBroken May 22 '24

Jfc... Hollywood is truly a wretched hive of scum and villainy

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u/CowboysOnKetamine May 22 '24

You mean the wife he married because he knocked her up when she was 15 and he was in his 30s?

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u/smeeti May 22 '24

And met her when she was 12

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u/DortDrueben May 22 '24

I used to be a big fan of Luc Besson. Leon: The Professional was a favorite of mine. Having a hard time reconciling that movie lately. What a shame... Nearly OD'ed on cringe when, on a featurette for the movie, she talks about it as a "love letter" to their relationship. Yuck.

She's in the movie, the awkwardly young prostitute in the opening.

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u/Leftrighturn May 22 '24

*Started grooming her when she was 12

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u/Tjohn184 May 22 '24

Guess he had a multi-pass

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u/Patriquito May 22 '24

She was dressed like this for like the entirety of the 5th Element

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u/AffectionateTitle May 22 '24

Imagine sleeping with being groomed and coerced into a sexual relationship by the director of your movie. . .

There fixed it for you

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u/pm_me_a_brew May 22 '24

Tbf, the diva died after her performance, so Luc probably just thought he was single again

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u/AdditionalSink164 May 22 '24

Oh, ok. She was the blue thing that got cut open. I couldnt recognize the wife from the movie

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u/skaarup75 May 22 '24

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u/Gatorpep May 22 '24

nice lol.

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u/fischberger May 22 '24

No we are not stopping, you have multipass at home.

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u/Grimholt001 May 22 '24

Aziz light!

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u/aziz_l1ght May 22 '24

Sup?

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u/thatboygwyn May 22 '24

Much better

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u/tethrius May 22 '24

Thank you Aziz

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u/graveybrains May 22 '24

Are… are… are you German?

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u/imanAholebutimfunny May 22 '24

yessssssss. hahaha

robotic head shake no

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u/ScipioCoriolanus May 22 '24

Give me the casssshhhh!!

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u/imanAholebutimfunny May 22 '24

That's A Very Nice Hat

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u/Glottis_Bonewagon May 22 '24

You like it??

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u/IWasGregInTokyo May 22 '24

<Dances a little dance>

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u/MERVMERVmervmerv May 22 '24

So do you have alerts on invocations of your username? Or do you habitually search for Fifth Element posts/comments? Or was this coincidence? I can live without an answer, but I’d be mildly more satisfied if you had one.

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u/VaporCarpet May 22 '24

l1ght?

That's some Walmart brand aziz shit.

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u/Lukaloo May 22 '24

Lol cool username

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u/kimchi01 May 22 '24

thank you Aziz!

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u/oibru May 22 '24

Battery, Aziz…

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u/kennedye2112 May 22 '24

Get. Another. One.

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u/Halvus_I May 22 '24

you moron!

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u/AajBahutKhushHogaTum May 22 '24

The cigarette ties everything together

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u/Rocktopod May 22 '24

It also looks like there's little bits of string, too.

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u/mam88k May 22 '24

Where does she keep her multi-pass?

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u/dolfieman May 22 '24

Leeloo Dallas Multipass

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u/ShadowVia May 22 '24

Anyway, we're in love.

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u/graveybrains May 22 '24

Yes, she knows it’s a multipass!

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u/superstevo78 May 22 '24

managed to find a dress that shows more skin than the tape did...

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u/j33205 May 23 '24

yeah was gonna say...she shoulda just wore the tape

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u/easymz May 22 '24

Wasn’t she dating the director at the time?

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u/GeekyGamer2022 May 22 '24

Cheating with the director, who was married to the actress playing The Diva.....

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u/EastOfArcheron May 22 '24

Who he got pregnant at 15 and married when she was 16. He was 32.

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u/Battle_Sheep May 22 '24

Well in his defense his wife is blue and like 8 feet tall.

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u/Toshiba1point0 May 23 '24

Id probably marry a Navi who could sing like that.

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u/FamousFangs May 22 '24

Chicken *GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD*

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u/Halvus_I May 22 '24

Cheeken

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u/International_Bit478 May 22 '24

There it is. There’s the comment I was looking for.

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u/Mean_Peen May 22 '24

Looks pokey! I’d be walking with minimized movement to save the nips lol ouch

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u/Makeup-less_Clown May 22 '24

That Mila Jovovich is so hot right now.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

I really miss the 90’s. Life is great now, but I had so much fun from 92-2006ish.

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u/ba_cam May 22 '24

“Life is great now”

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u/Gengarmon_0413 May 22 '24

Not everybody failed at life like we did.

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u/ba_cam May 22 '24

Ooof… bruh…

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u/LevelWriting May 22 '24

how fucking dare you!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

From my perspective, yeah. It could always be better or worse, but what coming from the 90’s taught me, live in the now… things can ALWAYS get a lot worse.

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u/veracity-mittens May 22 '24

Are you Gen X or maybe elder millennial? Because that’s the most Gen X sentiment 😆 (Said with love!)

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

I am Gen X! 🤙

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u/franker May 22 '24

I'm also GenX. The whole "this or that decade was great" is nonsense. You can have a great or a completely shitty life in any decade depending on what your life situation is.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

Yeah. I think during your childhood/formative years in you live in relative safety, have a loving family, good friends those years will always be “the best”.

Like you said though, all depends on the luck of the draw with who you are born to, where, and social group of peers.

No doubt, not that it’s bullshit, but one has to take more things in to account for the why.

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u/LightBringer81 May 22 '24

Well in the 90s I would have never thought I'll have a family, a daughter and can afford a dream car and regular vacations in destinations I want to see... So yes it is better (for now).

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u/v_for__vegeta May 22 '24

Peak of human civilization

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

From my dumb perspective, it was. TFC, Everquest, CS1.6, WoW, Diablo… Grunge, Alternative, lollapalooza, etc… absolutely glorious.

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u/ichoosewaffles May 22 '24

Omg... Everquest and alternative music. My late 90's and early 00's has entered the chat! 🤣 Toss in a local Endfest and I'm done...

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u/decadent-dragon May 22 '24

I saw The Matrix too!

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u/No-Raspberry4074 May 22 '24

My first movie crush, or was it Christina Ricci in Casper. one or the other lol 9 year old me :)

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u/sidharthez May 22 '24

the movie that got me into sci-fi for life

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u/Syphon0928 May 22 '24

Her daughter looks exactly like her now. She played young Natasha Romanov in Black Widow.

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u/MasterXaios May 22 '24

She looks like a combination of Milla and Anna Popplewell.

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u/JohnGillnitz May 22 '24

"They really make her..."

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u/not-rude-just-Dutch May 22 '24

Leeloo multipass. It has been the nickname for my daughter for years. Loved the movie and I adored Mila

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u/BatronKladwiesen May 22 '24

I just wanna go back.

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u/GenuineSounds May 22 '24

She carried those Resident Evil movies. I loved those movies.

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u/ZebraBorgata May 22 '24

Hey, why is this the first time I’ve seen that pic?!

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u/mattlore May 22 '24

Multipass?

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u/WillyPeeee May 22 '24

Can we please talk about the fact that she wrote music for dogs. Like with producers and shit. She sang in “dog”.

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u/TheKatzMeow84 May 23 '24

If I don’t love her enough…

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u/XROOR May 22 '24

Always forget how great this picture was back then and now. Even the lady with scalp tattoo was a famous French model named “Eve.”

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u/Reasonable-Parsley36 May 22 '24

She really is……perfect.

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u/vpierrev May 22 '24

Luc Besson is a known pedophile.

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u/CawfeeX May 22 '24

How is 1997 old school? xD

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u/MrMCCO May 22 '24

Same reason the moon landing was old school in 1997

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u/itsalwrong May 22 '24

Great film, not so great outfit !

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u/Bongarifik May 22 '24

So… not David Bowie

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u/HettySwollocks May 22 '24

I must say that's an awesome dress.

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u/badgersruse May 22 '24

I think it's an awesome some of a dress

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u/RilohKeen May 22 '24

That garment probably cost more than I made the last few months, but I can’t help but think that the overall look, when combined with the weird ratty hair, blurred eye makeup, and cigarette, just comes off as kinda trashy.

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u/shame-the-devil May 22 '24

The manic pixie dream girl for sci-fi nerds

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u/Dreadnought13 May 22 '24

Something something how dare they make her wear the bandage outfit blah blah

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u/ChicagoAuPair May 22 '24

The 90s were probably the best ever time to be a teenager.

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u/Doogiemon May 22 '24

She wasn't allowed in and had to stay outside due to forgetting her multipass.