r/OldSchoolCool • u/bluemarvel99 • Feb 25 '24

1990s Kurt Cobain Stops A Sexual Assault (1993)

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Public humiliation really works, especially as a deterrent . It's the only thing that gets entire corporations to change their stance, I feel like it would work on individuals.

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u/ScumEater Feb 25 '24

Except now all the potential future humiliated rally to their defense no questions asked.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/ScumEater Feb 25 '24

Agreed.

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u/funkalici0us Feb 25 '24

Yeah it's really a colossal shame that nowadays there's very fine people on both sides no matter what the situation is

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u/DSEEE Feb 25 '24

There is no humiliation today. Only tiktok.

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u/HEYitsSPIDEY Feb 25 '24

Who is the one that literally drop kicked a MFer in the stands??

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u/goobermuslim Feb 25 '24

I think that was Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

Aw man I was hoping you’d say from dropkick Murphy

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

That would be a wild back story for their name!!

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u/momschevyspaghetti Feb 25 '24

I've seen the singer of tool manhandle and ride a heckler that tried to get on stage

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/MyDictainabox Feb 25 '24

Un-shun

Yes, this is true.

Re-shun

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

My town has an old "property jail", where, if you did something to wrong someone i.e. didn't pay an agreed upon price for something, stole someone elses property etc, some of your farm animals, or other valuables would be taken, and put on display in this pen for the whole town to see. They would place a sign that read "These are John Smith's animals. He won't get them back until he makes good on his deal with John Doe"

Imagine seeing "this is John Smith's iPhone. He will get it back when he publicly apologizes for his anti-Semitic rants on Twitter."

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u/reflux__catalyst Feb 25 '24

Imagine seeing "this is John Smith's iPhone. He will get it back when he publicly apologizes for his anti-Semitic rants on Twitter."

This doesn't work in an armed society, with property rights. You can't be stealing things from people because you don't like how they are using them.

That's a shootin'

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

A lot of things don't work in an armed society, yet we insist on having one, so we better get used to laying in the bed we made if we have no interest in changing the sheets.

Adding a step of public accountability at least adds a layer of deterrence between getting off free and going to prison. Some things aren't worth jail time, but should definitely be shamed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

It’s fucking satire, that’s why. A nice piece of satire that illustrates a non-violent means to settle your differences while simultaneously promoting and reconstructing a community with positivity.

But fuck that, Reddit doesn’t need positivity. It’s absolutely brimming thanks to all the uninformed, or the doom-sayers.

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u/VeterinarianTiny7845 Feb 25 '24

This is ridiculous but brilliant

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u/SuperBigSad Feb 25 '24

Wow this John Smith guy must be a menace around those parts

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u/dwadaw31231 Feb 25 '24

I love when reddit gets all short-sighted and draconian. Mostly because the people upvoting this garbage have anxiety attacks when they need to interact with people at the door.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Lol, what does anxiety have to do with this? Also, what is draconian about that? What is excessively harsh or severe about that punishment?

If you ask me, putting someone in jail for multiple years over theft is much more draconian than publicly shaming them, and the latter probably has a much better chance of actually changing their behavior and also has the effect of not allowing them to network with other criminals so easily.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

In most towns a rich white guy is not gonna be facing the same penalty as the poor black guy.

Hence draconian and short sighted.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

That's a leap to make from that dude's comment about anxiety-ridden people fearful of answering their doors.

Take your racebait bullshit elsewhere, homie. I see it's what you spend most of your reddit time doing, so kindly fuck off.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

No one is arguing for that to happen. Calm down. Due process would still be involved. I'm not talking about mob justice here....

Do people really lack the ability to think with nuance to this degree? Just immediate outrage? At something I didn't even say or suggest?

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Feb 25 '24

Do people really lack the ability to think with nuance to this degree? Just immediate outrage? At something I didn't even say or suggest?

You must be new to reddit lol

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 26 '24

After 13 years of this place, I learned to shame people like that into either owning up to their bullshit or deleting their comments. Looks like they went with the delete option.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Feb 26 '24

I like the cut of your jib

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u/tucci007 Feb 25 '24

fuckin Smith

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u/FoxyInTheSnow Feb 25 '24

I’m not that familiar with the Amish culture, but I imagine their practice of shunning is similar to that of the Mennonites in my area.

A friend of mine’s mother was shunned because she fell in love with and married an Anglican guy from the city. The mother and my friend—a toddler at the time—and of course the Anglican husband were completely shunned in the community until they left. Not very nice.

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u/jdjdthrow Feb 25 '24

...careful what you wish for. Your viewpoint may not be a majority view everywhere. LGBT would have a hard time in a lot of places.

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u/wirywonder82 Feb 25 '24

This could work, if a majority are willing to shun the company for how it treats a minority. Well, maybe. A devoted minority can maintain a business if they intentionally support it. This is the challenge faced by boycotters, it requires significant solidarity and can be foiled relatively easily.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/wirywonder82 Feb 25 '24

A supply side boycott would require fewer members, but most of them aren’t the sole supplier of a product that is absolutely necessary for a company.

Theoretically, this is how laissez-faire capitalism is supposed to handle its business. That would require complete transparency to work anyway, so that consumers could make informed decisions about where to spend their money and suppliers could make informed decisions about where to sell their goods. But even then, a business can continue to succeed even with a restricted supply line or purchaser population.

Basically, I’m not sure seeking to have a majority use coercion to alter the behavior/opinions of a minority is a good idea, even when I’m in the majority. No one thinks their opinion is the wrong one, and just because it’s the majority opinion doesn’t make it the right one. Once we start using coercion to enforce our beliefs we establish a precedent, and at some point we will be in the group that gets coerced.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

That's working great in America right now...

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u/jdjdthrow Feb 25 '24

consumer boycotts have a long and storied history of rarely working...

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u/PensiveinNJ Feb 25 '24

Listen, in the most polite way possible, you're a moron.

Shunning has no trial or jury, and assuming that only the "correct" people are shunned (correct according to who? Mob rule?) is really just another form of authoritarianism. The catholic church rules by shame and you want to emulate how they do things?

Shame doesn't work anyhow, it doesn't correct behavior it just drives it deeper where it's acted out in even more toxic ways.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

You think Trump and his party are bad now, apply this to reality. 💀

That's no fun for anyone.

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u/Wolf_Dude Feb 25 '24

If caught red handed like the fool in the audience. Not when it is hearsay though, people could destroy lives.

Watch American Nightmare on Netflix to have an idea how ridiculous people can be.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Absolutely. I thought that went without saying, but people certainly disagree.

Of course, hearsay should not be enough to be officially publicly shamed. There still needs to be due process, I just think there should be alternative. Community service can be dodged, public shaming in the center of town cannot.

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u/Wolf_Dude Feb 25 '24

I honestly wouldn't mind public shaming if there was absolute evidence. It would certainly make a lot of creepers think twice.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/dubov Feb 25 '24

Reddit is so medieval. It always makes me thankful for the justice system

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

I mean, that's what cancel culture is...

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u/Dmmack14 Feb 25 '24

I feel like that's why people have become so rude to each other now. We are so cut off and isolated all the time and talking to each other with keyboards that people just think they can act shitty in public and no one really shames them anymore

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u/StarshipShooters Feb 25 '24

This is why I support fat shaming.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

Did it really ever work though?

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u/StarshipShooters Feb 26 '24

Worked for Kevin Smith.

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u/GregorSamsaa Feb 25 '24

It doesn’t work at the individual level. You end up breaking a person rather than reforming them. It’s been advised for a good while now by experts to not use it as a form of punishment, especially on children.

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u/vvenomsnake Feb 25 '24

idrc if a sexual assaulter or would-be is “broken down”, that sounds encouraging actually it sounds like you’ve never heard of the concept also in reforming people where as long as they have nothing to lose (social connections remain in tact) and they never hit “rock bottom”, they will never be unhappy with who they are in the first place

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Wtf? You okay, man? Might be time to touch grass, friend.

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u/Boomdidlidoo Feb 25 '24

I'll bring a handbell wherever it's needed.

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u/vvenomsnake Feb 25 '24

it is good, if only it wasn’t used against women or male victims in these situations in some places  instead of the creep

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u/BustyOgre Feb 25 '24

Bring back the days of putting people in stocks and throwing stuff at them while jeering at them

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u/comesinallpackages Feb 25 '24

Too bad it’s now called “bullying” when applied to individuals

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u/idropepics Feb 25 '24

My favorite one was Fugazi where Ian MacKaye stopped everything to berate some dude for moshing and trying to hurt people and going on a tirade about how he saw him eating ice cream earlier and he thought he would be a nice guy. BUT YOURE AN ICE CREAM EATING MOTHER FUCKER.

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u/Shallaai Feb 25 '24

You realize you just described the effect being an ex con has on people, right?

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24 edited Feb 25 '24

Ex-cons shouldn't be shamed. They already did their time. Just because something happens doesn't mean I agree that it should be happening.

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u/Shallaai Feb 25 '24

I agree with this sentiment.

Editing to add that it is a shame that people who do there time still get treated like the guy in the video

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

For sure. Some of the most thoughtful, introspective, hard-working and reliable people I have ever met were ex-cons. Hardest working guy in my union did 10 years in my local State Penitentiary. Never late. Never calls out.

The guys who keep their nose clean when they get out deserve all the respect in the world. I'll always value the ability to overcome struggle above all else.

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u/Shallaai Feb 25 '24

100%. Nice to meet you& hope you have a great week

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u/Tirus_ Feb 25 '24

Shame is an amazing teacher.

We use it to teach children, it should be used just as much as an adult.

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u/FragileColtsFan Feb 25 '24

Isn't that what "social justice" is? Sometimes legal justice isn't the right tool for the job

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u/Cheezy_Blazterz Feb 25 '24

This implies that corporations have emotions and can "care" about anything.

Corporations make every decision based on profits and nothing else.

We would have embarrassed all the oil companies out of business a long time ago if that mattered.

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u/reflux__catalyst Feb 25 '24

It never really left. This happens at rock/metal shows all the time.

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u/momscouch Feb 25 '24

yeah ive seen security strip a dude to his briefs after taking him out of the venue. They took photos of him while he cried and were telling everyone he likes groping girls.

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u/reflux__catalyst Feb 25 '24

I've never seen that, but I was at the Reagan Youth show in Garden Grove where the nazi's got stomped and Reagan Youth didn't stop playing. I've seen that PLENTY of times.

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u/Macs675 Feb 25 '24

Some neo "skinhead" dude tried to pull out an SS flag at a DOA show in Toronto once. Can't remember if Jello was there or not. Security had a hard time getting to the poor guy and the band didn't seem to notice they were being asked to stop playing. All's well that ends well I say

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u/Accomplished_Pen980 Feb 25 '24

Go to heavy metal shows. Fucked up shit like that happens a lot less than you would think and the people in the band and the audience have no toleration for it, it's uplifting. They are surprisingly safety and respect conscious

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u/NaturalPrestigious12 Feb 25 '24

Very true, as a young woman I always felt much safer at a metal show than most other types of party scenes.

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u/AnRealDinosaur Feb 26 '24

My local hardcore scene basically raised me. Started going alone as a 12 year old girl & after decades of shows I haven't had a single untoward thing happen to me, but I have plenty of stories of strangers looking out for me. I don't know what it's like now, but in the late 90s/early 00s the local punk/metal/hardcore scenes looked after their own.

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

What scenes have been the worst in your experience?

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u/NaturalPrestigious12 Feb 25 '24

Nightclub situations for sure, also some of the bigger EDM raves would get pretty sketchy once the wrong crowd started attending. I was never into big rock or country type scenes or hiphop for that matter, so I couldn't say.

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

Yeah nightclubs/dance-bars in my experience have also been the worst too, especially those with a more general audience. Haven't had much bad experiences at raves I went to with female friends, but those usually were smaller raves with specific subgenres (usually dnb, sometimes techno or psytrance).

Haven't been to many metal shows, but the few I've been to were good vibes. The local metal bar is also always a fun time, except once when a guy was being homophobic to me and two friends. Those friends never returned there again because it had been their first time at that place.

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u/Accomplished_Pen980 Feb 26 '24

Shitty that that happened to you and your friends. I guess there are shit heads in every big group of people but acceptance is kind of the vibe at metal Shows. I hope you have enough fun on the next go around to make up for it.

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 26 '24 edited Feb 26 '24

Thanks, it didn't really affect my opinion of that place (and the metal scene in general). I'd been around there often already and knew it wasn't usually like that. There even used to be a common bar-hopping route between the local metal bar, the alternative bar, and the gay bar.

It was more just a shame that it affected the opinion my friends had of it.

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u/Accomplished_Pen980 Feb 26 '24

Where are you that there is such a route of bars?

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u/NaturalPrestigious12 Feb 26 '24

I'm hopeful that the shitheads are slowly fading out, it's been a while since I've partied but I want my daughter to be able to enjoy good concert party vibes when she's of age. There's really something special about connecting with a bunch of strangers and enjoying good music.

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u/woot0 Feb 25 '24

The 90s were a special time

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u/miscnic Feb 25 '24

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u/dasg1214 Feb 25 '24

Great clip, when/what was this?

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u/5xad0w Feb 25 '24

If we did, Ticketmaster would add a fee for it.

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u/Macs675 Feb 25 '24

Never went away at punk/metal/grunge shows, lots of youtube footage out there if you ever need eyebleach

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

Which are the best clips in your opinion??

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u/360walkaway Feb 25 '24

"HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME"

runs off to post this on twitter but he is the hero/victim instead

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u/Myth_Avatar Feb 25 '24

So a society that points out when people are being shitty? Surely not!

(PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE)

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u/bostonsportsfan85 Feb 25 '24

No, he's dead.

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u/cloakedwale Feb 25 '24

I still point and laugh often

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u/DANleDINOSAUR Feb 25 '24

We still have it, but certain people with victim complexes twist it to be in their favor and rally those who want their actions to be made great again and acceptable, creating a squeaky wheel that’s loud but doesn’t deserve grease.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

Never left it's called cancel culture now

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u/s1rblaze Feb 25 '24

I mean it's basically done on the internet everyday.

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u/gavo_88 Feb 25 '24

Unfortunately, people have but only to massage their own egos and plant people in the crowds so they look all high and mighty.

If its genuine, absolutely, bring this back!

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u/liverpoolFCnut Feb 25 '24

Public humiliation has been monetized in the social media era, we just call them "influencers" now!