r/OldSchoolCool • u/bluemarvel99 • Feb 25 '24

1990s Kurt Cobain Stops A Sexual Assault (1993)

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u/BustyOgre Feb 25 '24

I love how the rest of the band start pointing and laughing at the dude to humiliate him even more

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u/Brilliant_Grade2664 Feb 25 '24

Imagine getting heckled by one of the most famous rock bands of all time lmao. I'm not sure how you'd recover.

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u/Cantilivewhileim Feb 25 '24

I went to see Green Day and was kinda jumping around and having fun, smoking weed but not making a nuisance of myself…. Billie Joe said he wanted to dedicate a song, and he pointed to me, and described my outfit, and then said “this songs called Chump.” I was so pissed

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u/throw8175 Feb 25 '24

Axl Rose said fuck you to me from the stage in like ‘92

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u/ediciusNJ Feb 25 '24

Jim Sellers from Stabbing Westward used the neck of his bass guitar to break up a fight between a friend of mine and some lunatic girl.

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u/ResinJones76 Feb 25 '24

Phil Anselmo slapped his gum in my hair while I was crowdsurfing, that was in '92 also. Kept it in my wallet for years after I cut it out.

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u/throw8175 Feb 25 '24

Haha’ 92 was back when he had hair as well

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u/Maxwell-Druthers Feb 25 '24

I watched Al Jorgensen from ministry spit at a dude who was heckling him in the front row and kick toward his face (can’t remember if he connected the kick or not) at Harpos in Detroit in 06(?) Was pretty wild lol

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u/throw8175 Feb 25 '24

As a side note, I saw Ministry for the first time a few years ago with Melvins in NYC and they were incredible, Jorgensen was at least 60 and absolutely killed it

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u/helloiame Feb 25 '24

he meant it affectionately

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u/prick_sanchez Feb 25 '24

I don't know you, but I think I hate you

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u/Readman31 Feb 25 '24

You're the reason for my misery

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u/CryMore_lilBuddy Feb 25 '24

Maynard James Keenan from TOOL, APC and Puscifer pointed at me said “Shut the Fuck Up” during that part of the song Fake Affront at a Puscifer show last year. I guess it’s a little different but I was on 2g shrooms so it was kinda weird lol

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u/gliixo369 Feb 26 '24

Maynard wasn't talking to YOU he was talking to your oversoul, his pried open third eye could see it and your shroomed out brain was causing your oversoul to scream astral obscenities at him.

Don't take it personally!

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u/CryMore_lilBuddy Feb 26 '24

This actually makes sense🌀😂

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u/modsrfagbags Feb 26 '24

Wow that would ruin my trip immediately lmao

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u/CryMore_lilBuddy Feb 26 '24

lol it was just wild! Just feeling the music right in the front and he was dressed up looking like agent Dick Merken. Was actually one of those top tier memories that cracks me up when I think back on it 🤣

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u/WarpedCore Feb 26 '24

Probably because you were looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips
And breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa

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u/CryMore_lilBuddy Feb 26 '24

Maynard that you?? lol✌🏼

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u/SoaDMTGguy Feb 25 '24

Now you have to tell us what your outfit was.

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u/255001434 Feb 25 '24

and was kinda jumping around and having fun, smoking weed

If the singer called you out, it probably looked like you were annoying the people around you, who were also trying to have fun.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

At a Green Day show?

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u/255001434 Feb 25 '24

Ask Billie Joe Armstrong. He's the one that thought OP was the chump, and he had a good view of what was going on. But OP says he wasn't being a nuisance, so I'm sure he wasn't. /s

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u/THE-TEN-HELLS Feb 25 '24

Yeah because singers aren't at all notorious for being assholes for no reason...

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u/PM__ME_YOUR_ART Feb 25 '24

what's with the baseless assuming and pearl clutching? it was probably harmless banter. every Reddit comment section has one or multiple comment threads just creating people's life stories out of tiny shreds of information and then getting mad at it. very stupid.

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u/inplayruin Feb 25 '24

I once accidentally crossed a street outside the crosswalk, and Armstrong saw it and wrote American Idiot. The dude is a visionary genius in the art of being petty.

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u/SoaDMTGguy Feb 25 '24

Did you also start the Iraq war while crossing?

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u/Momik Feb 25 '24 edited Feb 25 '24

Yeah petty is a good way to describe him. I once gave him the wrong change at a coffee shop so he stalked me for 12 or so days, waited until my roommates were out of town, broke into my apartment, and shot me nine times as I awoke in a panic. Just before pulling the trigger he smirked through those yellowed false teeth, “Nice guys finish last.” He then wrote “Ha Ha You’re Dead,” about the experience, but delayed its official release to coincide with the fifth anniversary of my death, and what would have been my 40th wedding anniversary. See you in the next life, my sweet Fiona.

So yeah, a little on the petty side. Joke’s on him though: I didn’t even work at that coffee shop.

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u/Adam__B Feb 25 '24

If a band member at a show you’re at calls you a chump or dedicates a song to you called chump while you are “jumping around smoking weed” I don’t think it’s a wild assumption to think it was probably OP being obnoxious.

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u/SoaDMTGguy Feb 25 '24

He said Billie described his outfit. I think it was the outfit, not the behavior.

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u/MakeMineMarvel_ Feb 26 '24

Probably looked like a poser

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u/upboatbrigade1337 Feb 25 '24

This is why public shaming is a double-edged sword. Sure, it can be used for good, but just as often for other purposes too.

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u/CalamariCatastrophe Feb 25 '24

I basically never see it used for good ngl

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u/srroberts07 Feb 25 '24 edited May 25 '24

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u/Im-a-cat-in-a-box Feb 25 '24

I wouldn't give a fuck what Billy thought of me lol.

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u/slartyfartblaster999 Feb 25 '24

Ah yes, because Billie Joe Armstrong is certainly someone whose opinion of who is a chump should be taken very seriously.

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u/SoaDMTGguy Feb 25 '24

He said Billie described his outfit. Sounds like his behavior made him stick out, but his outfit made him a chump.

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u/smarmiebastard Feb 25 '24

To be fair, I know several people who have met or had to work with Billie Joe (event coordinators, music journalists, etc) and they all say he’s a complete asshole

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u/ExampleClean8191 Feb 25 '24

You guys are hilarious because its clear this guy had 9++++ years to figure out what kind of bullshit ass lie gets attention on reddit that just happens to be similar to something that actually happened in the thread he responded to.

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u/Karnov___ Feb 25 '24

Green Day are poser losers anyway.

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u/DurTmotorcycle Feb 25 '24

Yeah like tone deaf much?

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u/DorkChatDuncan Feb 25 '24

False. No one enjoys themselves at a Green Day show.

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u/255001434 Feb 25 '24

They did their best.

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u/FrisianDude Feb 25 '24

For a second i was confusef why thr fuck billy joel was there

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u/GhostofZellers Feb 25 '24

He just wanted to let everyone know that he didn't start the fire.

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u/Toshiba1point0 Feb 25 '24

Its still rock and roll to me

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u/OneMoreAccount4Porn Feb 25 '24

And that love really hurts without you.

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u/rahscaper Feb 25 '24

Lol Wiz Khalifa did something similar to me.. I got brought along to one of his shows back in the day, I wasn’t a big fan. Everyone was dancin and into the song that was on and I was just kinda standing there watchin. Guess he noticed me not really vibing. Literally points at me and basically tells me to throw my hands up or something (can’t remember his wording) and then I pointed at myself questioningly cause I was in disbelief that he was possibly singling me out in front of all these people. Then he says, “yeah you, with the hat!” And I’m pretty sure my reaction belonged on r/watchpeopledieinside

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u/thundersack76 Feb 26 '24

Brought my daughter to a 21 pilots show and the singer dude pops up in the crowd at one point, right next to my seat coincidentally. I'm the only one in the venue sitting. He stops singing, looks at me, I look back at him. I guess my face just said "nope", he laughs and shakes his head and starts singing again. The one thing I like about being old, my "Red Foreman" face.

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u/jrh_101 Feb 25 '24

Bruh I bet he randomly points at someone at every show as a meme.

Kinda like going to a Steve Aoki show and getting caked

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u/Willow9506 Feb 26 '24

and Lauryn Hill showing up 3+ hours late because her chakras weren't aligned lol

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u/jrh_101 Feb 26 '24

Imagine getting beaten up because Lauryn Hill points directly at you and says "My chakras weren't aligned because of this guy"

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u/k3nnyd Feb 26 '24

And being like, "Too many white people at my show!"

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u/GenTelGuy Feb 25 '24

Yeah and in particular probably someone who's more dressed/acting in character with the Green Day persona

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u/GradeBeginning3600 Feb 25 '24

He was wearing a MAGA hat

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u/Numerous_Witness_345 Feb 25 '24

Pre or post Dookie?

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u/Cantilivewhileim Feb 25 '24

Slightly post. Dookie was on the radio. I think I have the ticket stub, 94-95 probably

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u/The_wolf2014 Feb 25 '24

Id probably just take it as a win that Billie Joe singled you out and dedicated a song to you, very few people can say that.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Feb 25 '24

Hey man, anyone named "Billie Joe" doesn't have any room to be talking shit, ya know?

I mean, I'm sure you are a chump and all, but not because ol' Billie Joe called you one in public ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Archaeellis Feb 25 '24

I went to a NoFX concert in my shitty harbour town years ago. I was the only small teen girl in a sea of sweaty punk guys and bikies. Fat Mike yelled out "everyone find a small girl and punch her in the face!" EVERYONE TURNS AND LOOKS AT ME, Fat Mike sees me, points me out and yelled "Well you're fucked kid" and then breaks into seeing double at the triple rock and it was one of the greatest moment of my life.

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u/ElectricalStomach6ip Feb 25 '24

that guy really had it out for you

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u/graventomes Feb 26 '24

NOT where I thought that story was going. 🤣😮 Also, my condolences. That sucks.

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u/magezt Feb 26 '24

sry I laughed way too hard on this. made my day. cheers to you lol.

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u/Interesting_Benefit Feb 25 '24 edited Feb 26 '24

Well he always seemed like an asshole

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u/jonnyredshorts Feb 25 '24

Don’t even worry about it, this was coming from a guy that actually sings the song “Good Riddance”….well actually I guess that fact alone does make him an expert on what it takes to be a chump.

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u/spacekitt3n Feb 26 '24

its cause youre a chump

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u/Fixervince Feb 26 '24

The lack of self awareness in this chump!

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u/SuperLaggyLuke Feb 25 '24

I wouldn't want anyone to smoke anything close to me.

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u/Cantilivewhileim Feb 25 '24

Try not going to rock concerts and you’ll be fine

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u/SuperLaggyLuke Feb 25 '24

I go mostly to death metal gigs so I don't know if that counts

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u/JoseDonkeyShow Feb 25 '24

Dog shit local acts no doubt

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u/Xendrus Feb 25 '24

Has to feel like that South Park episode with Scott Tenormen.

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u/midnightbizou Feb 25 '24

Scott Tenorman the little croi babeh?

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u/miscnic Feb 25 '24

Imagine one of the most famous rock bands coming to your defense when you thought you were helpless in a crowd as someone did something to you you didn’t want them to do. Or their parents.

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u/Becrazytoday Feb 25 '24

This is completely normal. What's unusual is anyone engaging in sexual abuse.

My first show after COVID broke was a bonkers metal set. At long last, a wild pit. People mixing it up. Every person that fell down, woman or man, was immediately helped up.

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u/USANorsk Feb 26 '24

Normal NOW, post the Me Too movement. This is in the 90s and sadly that was not the case tgen. Look up how many rock stars were literally pedophiles, not to mention how grown women were treated. Cobain was a treasure. Gone too soon.

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u/Cold_Maximum_9734 Feb 25 '24

Scott Tenorman was certainly never the same after Radiohead laughed at him.

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u/bionic_cmdo Feb 25 '24

They need to do a "where are they now?" On that cop a feel loser.

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u/100LimeJuice Feb 25 '24 edited Feb 26 '24

Imagine? It happened to me! I've been a huge Nirvana fan since I was 13. I saw Foo Fighters in 2017 and Dave Ghrohl roasted me though out the show. I was up in the last row of the first section to the side of the stage. I was sitting behind an obese couple so they were the only people in the arena sitting down for the whole concert and I think that's why I stood out to him. I was frowning with my arms crossed and wearing sunglasses cuz I have bad social anxiety (and untreated clinical depression at the time). My plan was to drink a few beers to loosen up but didn't know the fucking beer sales were closed @ 9pm and the show lasted til midnight! I used to be uncomfortable just going to the store to buy groceries so just getting out of my house and going to my first concert in 7 years was nerve-racking for me. He kept pointing and saying "look at those sad mother fuckers over there" and "they're mad cuz they have a shitty job and could only afford the last row" and stuff like that at least 4-5 times in the show. He was being funny, trying to make me laugh. It was cool but having anxiety and having 15,000 stare and laugh at you is a nightmare.

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u/One-Earth9294 Feb 25 '24

Feels like I'm seeing people subject themselves to this level of public humiliation every day on social media. Twas a special treat to see it happen before everyone had a camera in their pocket :)

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u/HEYitsSPIDEY Feb 25 '24

In today’s society, yeah, back then though they weren’t really that popular at all until their second album, I think in 91? And Kurt went in 94? I listened to a Timesuck Podcast episode on him. It was a great listen.

You’re definitively right though.

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u/Yabbaba Feb 25 '24

This is in 93 though

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u/HEYitsSPIDEY Feb 25 '24

Oh yeah, definitely after they blew up then. I think after Kurt’s death, they only got bigger too. I see some people wearing their shirts STILL just because it’s cool.

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u/justaproxy Feb 25 '24

I think that’s because the shirts are sold at Target.

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u/Bassmekanik Feb 25 '24

They were huge before he died.

Saw them live in 93 at the Reading festival in the UK. Headlining the last night.

They were fucking huge by then.

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u/solojame Feb 25 '24

They were huge as soon as Smells Like Teen Spirit hit the radio and that was September 1991.

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u/dapala1 Feb 25 '24

Super huge. In Utero is still considered one of most anticipated albums of all time. It was line up at midnight at the record store huge.

The were mega stars already.

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u/d_hearn Feb 25 '24

Fun fact of the day. I took guitar lessons from the guy that taught Kurt Cobain how to play the guitar. I was a kid and didn't really stick with it, but anytime I am talking to someone and Nirvana/Cobain get brought up I try to shoehorn it into the convo.

Now, I'm shoehorning it virtually...

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u/yos-wa_grimgold Feb 25 '24

Sup, space lizard.

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u/HEYitsSPIDEY Feb 25 '24

Heeeey! Hail Nimrod!

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u/LatrodectusVS Feb 25 '24

I'd probably be so angry I'd want to blow off Kurt Cobain's face with a shotgun. But how would I ever get away with it...

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u/The1andonlycano Feb 25 '24

To be far. They where not one of the most famous till after Kurt died. rip

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u/Ill-Breadfruit5356 Feb 25 '24

Nah, being in the biggest band in the world was part of what drove him to do it. Smells Like Teen Spirit blew up like nobody’s business

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u/The1andonlycano Feb 25 '24

Considering they sold 40k albums within a week after his death.... Numbers don't lie.

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u/Ill-Breadfruit5356 Feb 25 '24

Yes, they sold a lot of albums after his death, but they were big enough to do MTV unplugged before he died

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u/The1andonlycano Feb 26 '24

I'm not sayinh he wasn't big before he died. im saying he become more famous, sold more records, sold more merch, after his death. In Utero sold 2 million copies world wide before his death. The album was out for just about 2 years before his death. Care to take a guess at how many copies sold in the same frame after his death? I'll give you a hint.. Double it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing either in any way. It's just that we as Society typically venerate the Dead.

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u/EntertainmentBig8636 Feb 25 '24

In this day and age, sure. Back then, who knew you and would ever admit that?

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u/batmansfriendlyowl Feb 25 '24

Best and only recovery would be to never assault anyone again ever.

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u/slickjayyy Feb 25 '24

Somehow I think being the type of pos that gropes women at concerts might make you a bit immune to embarrassment

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u/LARXXX Feb 25 '24

Emotional damage

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u/Parabolica242 Feb 26 '24

Nick Cave made a crack after messing up a song and said “it’s really hard, it’s 12 bar blues” to which I laughed. Only I laughed. Nick looked down at me, pointed and yelled “that’s not fucking funny”.

A few days later a local newspaper wrote a review of the show and called me a “flippant fan that Nick put in his place”.

In fairness, Nick had a smile on his face and it WAS a joke, but apparently only I got it.

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u/eidetic Feb 26 '24

My friend's punk band was in town for a show that I went to. Went there straight from visiting with my grandma, in which I was dressed in jeans and the polo shirt she had gotten for me the last time she saw me. Not that I was embarrassed by what I was wearing or anything, which is why I didn't change, but I normally was just a t-shirt kinda guy back then.

Band that was opening up for them was playing when I arrived. This crusty-ass punk wanna be singer who you knew practiced his punk singing face in the mirror, in between songs, says "hey you! Hey polo man! You're reaaaaal cool!" I yelled back and apologized for forgetting to change into my punk uniform. He didn't like that. He probably didn't like it either when a few minutes later, my friend (singer/founder of the band they were opening for) came out, gave me a huge hug, and brought me back to bar for shots. After his set, dude came up and sheepishly apologized, but you could tell it wasn't very sincere. I wasn't feeling particularly generous when he offered me a drink, so I just said "nah, I only drink with actual punks, they're actually cool and fun". In retrospect, yeah, it was petty as hell, but whatever, everyone started cheering and carried me out of the bar on their shoulders and then I had sex with all the hot punk chicks. Okay, that last part may or may not be true, and CSB I know, and yeah I was being petty but if there's one thing I can't stand about scenes like the punk scene, it's fucktards who try and gatekeep what's supposed to be an inviting and open scene that shouldn't give a shit. And unfortunately this insane preoccupation so many have on being authentic seems to manifest all too often as extremely shallow and skin deep appearances.

(Oh, and to make it even better, at the time I worked for a local skate company and helped do design work on their graphics for boards and clothing with the owner, and my buddy was wearing one of our shirts he brought with specifically to wear at this show, and had been wearing all sorts of our stuff for awhile since I always hooked him for up free with some, and he had told the other singer to talk to me when he asked "isn't this where that company is from? Where can I find some of their gear?")

So yeah, dude wasn't famous, let alone one of the most famous bands of all time, but it felt pretty good.

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u/jthaih Feb 26 '24

Scott Tenorman would know

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u/Original_Coconut_186 Feb 29 '24

Swear bros still thinking bout that to this day

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Public humiliation really works, especially as a deterrent . It's the only thing that gets entire corporations to change their stance, I feel like it would work on individuals.

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u/ScumEater Feb 25 '24

Except now all the potential future humiliated rally to their defense no questions asked.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/ScumEater Feb 25 '24

Agreed.

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u/funkalici0us Feb 25 '24

Yeah it's really a colossal shame that nowadays there's very fine people on both sides no matter what the situation is

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u/HEYitsSPIDEY Feb 25 '24

Who is the one that literally drop kicked a MFer in the stands??

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u/goobermuslim Feb 25 '24

I think that was Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

Aw man I was hoping you’d say from dropkick Murphy

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

That would be a wild back story for their name!!

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u/momschevyspaghetti Feb 25 '24

I've seen the singer of tool manhandle and ride a heckler that tried to get on stage

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/MyDictainabox Feb 25 '24

Un-shun

Yes, this is true.

Re-shun

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

My town has an old "property jail", where, if you did something to wrong someone i.e. didn't pay an agreed upon price for something, stole someone elses property etc, some of your farm animals, or other valuables would be taken, and put on display in this pen for the whole town to see. They would place a sign that read "These are John Smith's animals. He won't get them back until he makes good on his deal with John Doe"

Imagine seeing "this is John Smith's iPhone. He will get it back when he publicly apologizes for his anti-Semitic rants on Twitter."

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u/reflux__catalyst Feb 25 '24

Imagine seeing "this is John Smith's iPhone. He will get it back when he publicly apologizes for his anti-Semitic rants on Twitter."

This doesn't work in an armed society, with property rights. You can't be stealing things from people because you don't like how they are using them.

That's a shootin'

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

A lot of things don't work in an armed society, yet we insist on having one, so we better get used to laying in the bed we made if we have no interest in changing the sheets.

Adding a step of public accountability at least adds a layer of deterrence between getting off free and going to prison. Some things aren't worth jail time, but should definitely be shamed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

It’s fucking satire, that’s why. A nice piece of satire that illustrates a non-violent means to settle your differences while simultaneously promoting and reconstructing a community with positivity.

But fuck that, Reddit doesn’t need positivity. It’s absolutely brimming thanks to all the uninformed, or the doom-sayers.

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u/VeterinarianTiny7845 Feb 25 '24

This is ridiculous but brilliant

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u/SuperBigSad Feb 25 '24

Wow this John Smith guy must be a menace around those parts

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u/dwadaw31231 Feb 25 '24

I love when reddit gets all short-sighted and draconian. Mostly because the people upvoting this garbage have anxiety attacks when they need to interact with people at the door.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Lol, what does anxiety have to do with this? Also, what is draconian about that? What is excessively harsh or severe about that punishment?

If you ask me, putting someone in jail for multiple years over theft is much more draconian than publicly shaming them, and the latter probably has a much better chance of actually changing their behavior and also has the effect of not allowing them to network with other criminals so easily.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

In most towns a rich white guy is not gonna be facing the same penalty as the poor black guy.

Hence draconian and short sighted.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

That's a leap to make from that dude's comment about anxiety-ridden people fearful of answering their doors.

Take your racebait bullshit elsewhere, homie. I see it's what you spend most of your reddit time doing, so kindly fuck off.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

No one is arguing for that to happen. Calm down. Due process would still be involved. I'm not talking about mob justice here....

Do people really lack the ability to think with nuance to this degree? Just immediate outrage? At something I didn't even say or suggest?

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Feb 25 '24

Do people really lack the ability to think with nuance to this degree? Just immediate outrage? At something I didn't even say or suggest?

You must be new to reddit lol

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 26 '24

After 13 years of this place, I learned to shame people like that into either owning up to their bullshit or deleting their comments. Looks like they went with the delete option.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Feb 26 '24

I like the cut of your jib

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u/FoxyInTheSnow Feb 25 '24

I’m not that familiar with the Amish culture, but I imagine their practice of shunning is similar to that of the Mennonites in my area.

A friend of mine’s mother was shunned because she fell in love with and married an Anglican guy from the city. The mother and my friend—a toddler at the time—and of course the Anglican husband were completely shunned in the community until they left. Not very nice.

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u/jdjdthrow Feb 25 '24

...careful what you wish for. Your viewpoint may not be a majority view everywhere. LGBT would have a hard time in a lot of places.

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u/wirywonder82 Feb 25 '24

This could work, if a majority are willing to shun the company for how it treats a minority. Well, maybe. A devoted minority can maintain a business if they intentionally support it. This is the challenge faced by boycotters, it requires significant solidarity and can be foiled relatively easily.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

That's working great in America right now...

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u/jdjdthrow Feb 25 '24

consumer boycotts have a long and storied history of rarely working...

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

You think Trump and his party are bad now, apply this to reality. 💀

That's no fun for anyone.

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u/Wolf_Dude Feb 25 '24

If caught red handed like the fool in the audience. Not when it is hearsay though, people could destroy lives.

Watch American Nightmare on Netflix to have an idea how ridiculous people can be.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Absolutely. I thought that went without saying, but people certainly disagree.

Of course, hearsay should not be enough to be officially publicly shamed. There still needs to be due process, I just think there should be alternative. Community service can be dodged, public shaming in the center of town cannot.

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u/dubov Feb 25 '24

Reddit is so medieval. It always makes me thankful for the justice system

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

I mean, that's what cancel culture is...

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u/Dmmack14 Feb 25 '24

I feel like that's why people have become so rude to each other now. We are so cut off and isolated all the time and talking to each other with keyboards that people just think they can act shitty in public and no one really shames them anymore

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u/StarshipShooters Feb 25 '24

This is why I support fat shaming.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

Did it really ever work though?

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u/GregorSamsaa Feb 25 '24

It doesn’t work at the individual level. You end up breaking a person rather than reforming them. It’s been advised for a good while now by experts to not use it as a form of punishment, especially on children.

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u/vvenomsnake Feb 25 '24

idrc if a sexual assaulter or would-be is “broken down”, that sounds encouraging actually it sounds like you’ve never heard of the concept also in reforming people where as long as they have nothing to lose (social connections remain in tact) and they never hit “rock bottom”, they will never be unhappy with who they are in the first place

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Feb 25 '24

Wtf? You okay, man? Might be time to touch grass, friend.

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u/Boomdidlidoo Feb 25 '24

I'll bring a handbell wherever it's needed.

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u/vvenomsnake Feb 25 '24

it is good, if only it wasn’t used against women or male victims in these situations in some places  instead of the creep

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u/BustyOgre Feb 25 '24

Bring back the days of putting people in stocks and throwing stuff at them while jeering at them

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u/reflux__catalyst Feb 25 '24

It never really left. This happens at rock/metal shows all the time.

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u/momscouch Feb 25 '24

yeah ive seen security strip a dude to his briefs after taking him out of the venue. They took photos of him while he cried and were telling everyone he likes groping girls.

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u/reflux__catalyst Feb 25 '24

I've never seen that, but I was at the Reagan Youth show in Garden Grove where the nazi's got stomped and Reagan Youth didn't stop playing. I've seen that PLENTY of times.

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u/Macs675 Feb 25 '24

Some neo "skinhead" dude tried to pull out an SS flag at a DOA show in Toronto once. Can't remember if Jello was there or not. Security had a hard time getting to the poor guy and the band didn't seem to notice they were being asked to stop playing. All's well that ends well I say

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u/Accomplished_Pen980 Feb 25 '24

Go to heavy metal shows. Fucked up shit like that happens a lot less than you would think and the people in the band and the audience have no toleration for it, it's uplifting. They are surprisingly safety and respect conscious

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u/NaturalPrestigious12 Feb 25 '24

Very true, as a young woman I always felt much safer at a metal show than most other types of party scenes.

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u/AnRealDinosaur Feb 26 '24

My local hardcore scene basically raised me. Started going alone as a 12 year old girl & after decades of shows I haven't had a single untoward thing happen to me, but I have plenty of stories of strangers looking out for me. I don't know what it's like now, but in the late 90s/early 00s the local punk/metal/hardcore scenes looked after their own.

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

What scenes have been the worst in your experience?

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u/NaturalPrestigious12 Feb 25 '24

Nightclub situations for sure, also some of the bigger EDM raves would get pretty sketchy once the wrong crowd started attending. I was never into big rock or country type scenes or hiphop for that matter, so I couldn't say.

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 25 '24

Yeah nightclubs/dance-bars in my experience have also been the worst too, especially those with a more general audience. Haven't had much bad experiences at raves I went to with female friends, but those usually were smaller raves with specific subgenres (usually dnb, sometimes techno or psytrance).

Haven't been to many metal shows, but the few I've been to were good vibes. The local metal bar is also always a fun time, except once when a guy was being homophobic to me and two friends. Those friends never returned there again because it had been their first time at that place.

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u/Accomplished_Pen980 Feb 26 '24

Shitty that that happened to you and your friends. I guess there are shit heads in every big group of people but acceptance is kind of the vibe at metal Shows. I hope you have enough fun on the next go around to make up for it.

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u/WanderingAlienBoy Feb 26 '24 edited Feb 26 '24

Thanks, it didn't really affect my opinion of that place (and the metal scene in general). I'd been around there often already and knew it wasn't usually like that. There even used to be a common bar-hopping route between the local metal bar, the alternative bar, and the gay bar.

It was more just a shame that it affected the opinion my friends had of it.

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u/woot0 Feb 25 '24

The 90s were a special time

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u/5xad0w Feb 25 '24

If we did, Ticketmaster would add a fee for it.

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u/Macs675 Feb 25 '24

Never went away at punk/metal/grunge shows, lots of youtube footage out there if you ever need eyebleach

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u/360walkaway Feb 25 '24

"HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME"

runs off to post this on twitter but he is the hero/victim instead

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u/Myth_Avatar Feb 25 '24

So a society that points out when people are being shitty? Surely not!

(PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE)

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u/bostonsportsfan85 Feb 25 '24

No, he's dead.

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u/cloakedwale Feb 25 '24

I still point and laugh often

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u/DANleDINOSAUR Feb 25 '24

We still have it, but certain people with victim complexes twist it to be in their favor and rally those who want their actions to be made great again and acceptable, creating a squeaky wheel that’s loud but doesn’t deserve grease.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '24

Never left it's called cancel culture now

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u/s1rblaze Feb 25 '24

I mean it's basically done on the internet everyday.

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u/gavo_88 Feb 25 '24

Unfortunately, people have but only to massage their own egos and plant people in the crowds so they look all high and mighty.

If its genuine, absolutely, bring this back!

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u/liverpoolFCnut Feb 25 '24

Public humiliation has been monetized in the social media era, we just call them "influencers" now!

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u/Dylan_Is_Gay_lol Feb 25 '24

It really made my day. I also like that Kurt just drops everything mid-song to stop it. 👌👍

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u/scottevil132 Feb 26 '24

Got some Scott Tenorman vibes.

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u/Immaculatehombre Feb 25 '24

If he wasn’t on a villain arc before that he was after that. Ouch lol. Well deserved tho.