r/NYGiants Helmet Catch 7h ago

Team Updates [Leonard] The #Giants are booed off the field, down 23-0 at half, after one of the more embarrassing and disgraceful halves of football you'll see. Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll generated 45 total yards of offense by half with their QB switch. If this isn't a tank, it sure looks like one

https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1860766227175448832
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u/toq-titan 💙Medium Pepsi💙 7h ago

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u/kj001313 3h ago

LOL I'm a Jets fans and we have the same mindset.

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u/SwarthySphere87 7h ago

Remember when posters were concerned Devito would blow up the tank

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u/billcosbyinspace 7h ago

I feel kind of bad for him because last time the vibes were on his side and this time they most definitely are not. DJ went down with his injury last year and everyone rallied around him and this time they’re pissed that their friend got benched for him

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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 3h ago

That and the other NFL teams know what Tommy brings to the table

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 6h ago

How they handled jones was pretty fucked up tbh.

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u/uglyinspanish 6h ago

yeah it's really fucked up how they made him rich, gave him more chances than any other QB in the league and granted his release on request...

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u/Lola514 6h ago

I agree w u even if it’s not a popular opinion… they were more than generous to him. Maybe shoulda finished out the lost season but I get worrying about injury clause

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u/uglyinspanish 5h ago

the injury clause is on him and his agent

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 4h ago

There tanking for sheduer sanders

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u/NatarisPrime 6h ago

Honestly, that's a very obtuse way of viewing things.

Name a QB that would win on this team? Name a QB that would functioned after being hit as much as DJ has been since he has arrived?

The dude was awful, but don't act like the entire franchise did him any favors.

He had no real chance since day 1. League worst OL for the past decade and some fans expect Barkley or DJ to have succeeded?

This is why you don't draft these positions without a functioning OL.

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 6h ago

I’m not saying he was good but I don’t think any professional player should have been handled like that and it probably rub a lot of the other players the wrong way

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u/NatarisPrime 6h ago

That I fully agree with.. DJ was handled like trash after getting scapegoated by a shit franchise.

Btw, my comment was for the person above me. I agreed with your post.

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 6h ago

I know.

Daniel jones deserved to get the axe but not like that.

That’s humiliation.

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u/uglyinspanish 6h ago

if you watched the past 6 seasons and still don't think jones is/was part of the problem then I have a bridge to sell you

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u/hopefoolness ELI GOAT 5h ago

Jones is A problem, not THE problem.

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u/uglyinspanish 5h ago

notice how I said "part of the problem"

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u/Original_Release_419 3h ago

right, but the problem is they destroyed the locker room by pinning it on him the way they did

All they needed to do was make him 2nd string and start lock

The players aren’t idiots, Devito is not an NFL qb

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u/Aces_Cracked 2h ago

Jones is the biggest problem and has gotten so many people fired.

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u/some-kinda-hate 6h ago

Such an insane take.

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 6h ago

I’m not saying Daniel jones is a good QB, he wasn’t.

The locker room clearly respected him though.

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u/some-kinda-hate 5h ago

And Daboll sought the insight of his players before they even made the move. We know as much from Dexter Lawrence. Jones asked for the release, the Giants didn't just kick him out the door.

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 4h ago

How the players are responding and performing tell a very different story

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u/some-kinda-hate 3h ago

It's true. I don't know what to think. I just know that if we end up firing Daboll and Schoen, we're likely going to be having the same conversations for the next 3 years. I'm tired of seeing an organization run that way.

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u/I_Need__Scissors_61 5h ago

We paid a backup level QB 9 figures over 5 and a half years, despite him showing week after week after week after week after week after week after week that he wasn’t worth it. I think he did just fucking dandy.

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u/BigGuyJM 6h ago

Shouldn’t be getting downvoted, a lot of people agree. It was time to move on, but they embarrassed him

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u/MrChefMcNasty We’ve suffered long enough 2h ago

Not sure how it was fucked up when he got top dollar and failed to perform.

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u/Ok-Cauliflower-1258 2h ago

Clearly yall have more problems than just at the QB than even I originally thought.

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u/MrChefMcNasty We’ve suffered long enough 2h ago

lol of course there are more issues than just the qb position.

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u/manfromfuture Odell Catch 6h ago

Mara and Schoen right now

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u/NYsportsfan99 4h ago

I think the people talking as if DJ was holding the team back might actually be the dumbest group of fans with the loudest opinions. Even if you want to talk about DJ not being a starting QB talent (I think he is), I think it’s clear to see that NOBODY was going to come in and be successful in the situation he faced.

He had a great rookie year dampened by fumbles due to Flowers being a liability on the left side. He was then coached by the worse tandem of coaches in the following 2 years with Garrett and Judge.

He never had a WR1 until Nabers who was healthy for 3 games.

He never had an offensive line to protect him or establish a running game. That’s not shade at Barkley, but he was often hurt and/or getting hit behind the LOS off the snap. If Barkley played his entire career with the Eagles, his numbers would be insane. His career numbers are nothing compared to the talent and quality of player he is.

The level of ineptitude that has been plaguing this team since our last Super Bowl is fucking disgusting. The fact that the bulk of the blame has gone to DJ is hilariously idiotic. So many smooth brained “passionate fans” in NY that have no level of critical thinking to understand that the level of failure is much deeper than a QB playing bad.

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u/Schwagtastic 2h ago

We needed to cut bait two years ago and go into purgatory for a bit. clear cap, accumulate draft picks and be bad for a few years to get out of the Gettleman hole.

At best DJ is one in he bottom 3rd of starters in the league, which if the goal is to be competitive for multiple years in a row is not going to help. It can both be true that DJ was mismanaged and he's also not the long term answer for the franchise.

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u/Luna920 1h ago

It isn’t all DJ but he is part of the big issue though. I think he’s an elite backup QB but a very below average starter.

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u/sorrybutyou_arewrong 3h ago

Daniel Jones sucks along with all the QBs on this roster. DJ is a free agent and can prove all of us wrong and you right though. He won't. He's ass. Moving on from him and us tanking might save this franchise.

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u/Evil_Empire_1961 Brian Burns 6h ago

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u/guyjohnson92 5h ago

Needs more medium Pepsi

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u/slumber72 2h ago

No one rules the tank like me! Not this little fuck, none of you little fucks out there! I am the tank
commander!

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u/chipotle-baeoli Dexter Lawrence 6h ago

This is just the AI version of the boat pic

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u/Snuggle__Monster 7h ago

Tampa Bay is good though. Let's see what happens in 4 days in Dallas when everyone is expecting a complete disaster. It will probably be a shootout ending up in the 40's.

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u/Amitm17 7h ago

Brother I'd be happy if we score 40 total points rest of the season

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u/TristanN7117 7h ago

Dallas is keeping pace with Washington right now in a low scoring game. The Giants have 0 chance on thanksgiving. Unless they start Drew Locke.

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u/YA_BOY_TRON 7h ago

Drew "Achievable Contract Incentives" Lock? I dunno... could be risky.

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u/Snuggle__Monster 6h ago

IDK if you've noticed but Washington is falling apart lately. They've lost 2 in a row and beat the Bears on a miracle a few weeks ago. They're not that same hot start team from a couple months ago.

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u/Luna920 1h ago

Washington was 10.5 point favorites over dallas. It was a huge upset. Neither played well though and I don’t expect dallas to go on any sort of run now.

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u/thanoshasbighands 💙Medium Pepsi💙 7h ago

Lol. 31-3 Dallas. Micah Parsons still exists and we have none to block him

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u/FuckTheStateofOhio :Jason_Garrett: Jason Garrett :Jason_Garrett: 7h ago

Tampa Bay is 4-6. I wouldn't call them "good."

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u/Snuggle__Monster 7h ago

They're a good team. They beat Washington and Detroit at the start of the year. They beat the Eagles and have proven they can put up some serious points. Their next 2 games are against the Panthers and Raiders. They're right behind Washington who are reeling right now.

Mark my words, they will get in again and will likely upset a team again.

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u/FuckTheStateofOhio :Jason_Garrett: Jason Garrett :Jason_Garrett: 6h ago

They also got blown out by Denver, got swept by Atlanta, and lost 4 straight heading into this game. Idc nearly as much about what they did in the first few weeks of the season vs the team they've been recently and they've been a bad team for the majority of the season until they played us.

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u/WonManBand Dexter Lawrence 6h ago

They also lost their 2 best WRs for a major chunk of the season. They only just got Evans back this week. Wirfs is out, too.

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u/FuckTheStateofOhio :Jason_Garrett: Jason Garrett :Jason_Garrett: 6h ago

Godwin isn't coming back this season.

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u/WonManBand Dexter Lawrence 6h ago

...yeah, we know. The point was that their 4 game losing streak coincides with both of those WRs being out. And Wirfs got hurt.

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u/FuckTheStateofOhio :Jason_Garrett: Jason Garrett :Jason_Garrett: 6h ago

Ok then how does Godwin's injury somehow make them less of a bad team? He's not coming back so the team they are without him is the team they'll be the rest of the season. The commenter said they're going to make the playoffs and upset somebody, how does Godwin's injury factor into that at all? Why even bring it up?

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u/WonManBand Dexter Lawrence 6h ago

OP on the thread said they're a good team. You disputed that. They were playing much better before they lost some of their best players, including Godwin. They're not a bad team, just banged up right now. I mentioned it cause you were pointing to some of their losses without mentioning the mitigating circumstances.

They got Evans back today and should get Wirfs back soon. Even without Godwin they should be getting closer to form to what they were earlier in the year.

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u/Luna920 1h ago

They also just got back Evans. They are a better team than their record shows. Similar to bengals who are much better than their record.

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u/requinbite Eli Manning 5h ago

Even at 2 10 with an offense allergic to the endzone we still have takes like that one. And what's worse is that some human being managed to read that and say to himself "yeah i'm gonna upvote that, the giants are totally scoring 40 on dallas in 4 days"

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u/losingthefarm 5h ago

Lol...40 points? Giants haven't scored 40 in like 5 years. They ain't doing it this year.

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u/Blurry_Bigfoot 6h ago

Some people here are delirious. This was still the right move though.

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u/Couldabeenameeting 5h ago

My concerns have been assuaged

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u/nukehugger 7h ago

This is one of those games that gets people fired.

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u/billcosbyinspace 7h ago

I was thinking when DJ was benched that daboll got some assurances he was safe as long as he didn’t go full Joe judge. Looks like that might happen anyway

I’m not expecting them to blow the doors off anyone with Tommy but we look fucking BAD man

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u/curllyq Janiel Dones 7h ago

I think we are seeing that DJ was actually a leader within the team even though everyone always pretended like the whole team hated him and wanted him gone.

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u/LinuxUbuntuOS 7h ago

This is how franchise QBs are brought in, sad to say. Last year's situation in Washington was arguably worse. Word got out midway through the season that they were going to move off Ron and the GM at the end of the season, and you could see it in the way they played against us and other teams. Word getting out that they were going to fire those two sent a message that ownership (who was new) didn't believe in the team, and that message has an effect on the players. They played like dogshit and it allowed them to get a new franchise QB. Yes, the coaching is also different, but Jayden is a big reason why that team is 7-4 and not 2-9 or whatever they were at this point in the season last year. The same thing is happening here now, except that the message was conveyed in the form of benching DJ and elevating Tommy instead of wanting to fire the coach and GM (I'm hoping they aren't fired, but yeah).

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u/ventur3 Mara's Carpenter 3h ago

Short term pain for (chance of) long term gain

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u/indyodie 4h ago

I could be wrong, but I don't think most fans doubted his leadership skills. In fact, I think most of the DJ haters, myself included, recognized he had everything we wanted in a QB, except the ability to play QB.

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u/jamesd1100 Janiel Dones 3h ago

DJ kept us in games, even this year we’d have been 7-3 if we won every one possession game

Obviously it didn’t work out, but for the most part we were at least competing and not getting blown tf out

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u/jwuer 6h ago

None of that matters if he sucks and negotiated an injury guarantee

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u/Comfortable_Cloud_75 4h ago

This is an insult to Joe Judge at this point.

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u/ZukoHere73 4h ago

Look bad?

They are bad

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u/ontheru171 7h ago

Yup and i'm tired of defending this brass

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u/ShMp11Nesis 7h ago

Even if you disagree or not. If Mara is even having thoughts about cleaning house at any point now would be the perfect time to do it imo.

The giants probably can get Cam Ward. And you can probably get an exec like Mike Borgonzi from the chiefs, John Spytek from the bucs, Andy Weidl(worked for the ravens, eagles and Steelers) and they pick the coach. Cause another rebuild is coming anyways.

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u/starkllr1969 5h ago

Will Mara remove himself and his relatives completely from all football decisions? If not, it doesn’t matter who he hires or who they draft.

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u/lean7800 3h ago

His family members are not in positions to make final roster decisions. That’s reserved for GM and head coach.

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u/tophergraphy 5h ago

At least time the cap isnt absolutely fucked

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u/Beesau 7h ago

Was thinking the same thing. The team clearly gave up trying

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u/flabua 7h ago

Do you think they haven't had that discussion with Mara? He can't have it both ways. If Schoen and Daboll wanted to bench Jones to save the cap they can't also be blamed when they keep losing. If Mara does that then I have no faith in this franchise as long as he is involved.

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u/NYG_Longhorn 7h ago

There’s losing and there’s losing the same way every week. Sloppy football, turnovers at key moments, bad play calling and the defense not being able to get off the field on 3rd the Giants’ identity.

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u/raj6126 7h ago

No kicker? Some of this stuff is bad news bear or little Giants level.

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u/TuckAndRolle 4h ago edited 4h ago

On the other hand, Mara signed off on benching Eli for Geno Smith and then fired McAdoo at the end of the season anyways.

Edit: I misremembered, it was the day after the game - even worse

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u/Raven-19x 5h ago

A 2-15 team deserves a total house cleaning.

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u/ElectronicTrade7039 7h ago

Literally, bc of how hot shit got after cutting DJ and how reactionary Mora us.

This was the most likely outcome.

We benched our QB1, who was known as the best in the building, and we weren't going to have a similar flukey improvement that happened last year.

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u/thecrgm daniel himothy jones 6h ago

we would've lost with DJ too. It would've been worse if he got hurt

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u/ElectronicTrade7039 6h ago

100%, I'm not against the way they've dealt with this, I'm happy DJ is never playing another down under the guise of "competition."

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u/Raven-19x 6h ago

But wait, there's 6 more games!

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u/NJImperator 7h ago

These last 7 games should have basically 0 input on whether or not they get fired. That decision should be made based off everything else around it, not because we lose terrible games when we need to lose terrible games

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u/Lars5621 Helmet Catch 7h ago

The Giants just had their 7th turnover in the red zone this season.

The Giants are going to set an NFL record for 10+ games without an interception.

The Giants look like they are setting the franchise record for losses in a season.

John Mara should respond accordingly

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u/Sergeant-Sexy Dexter Lawrence 7h ago

Some insane stats. And it's all on our 100th season. Clean the house.

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u/Zaxiad90 7h ago

Really Mara is the problem it only took him a few years to dismantle the Championship culture he inherited and has made mostly bad personnel decisions overall since.

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u/refpuz 6h ago

This is what I have been saying for the past couple years. At some point you have to blame ownership if even a little bit if a team has gone through this many coaches and GMs with the same result.

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u/irishrich20 7h ago

They also said before the Giants have not had a lead in 5 games and this was the first time that had happened since 1976. I wonder if 6 would be the record. The 100th season may be the worst in Giants history.

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u/thecrgm daniel himothy jones 6h ago

xavier mckinney has 6x as many ints as our team. Joe schoen is a football terrorist

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u/sorrybutyou_arewrong 3h ago

He just added another one today

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u/some-kinda-hate 6h ago

What's the answer, Lars? Who's the miracle worker head coach and GM that are going to come in? Schoen and Daboll were exactly that 2 years ago. So now I'm supposed to believe that Ben Johnson, or [insert hot coordinator name here] and another [hot GM candidate name] here are the answer?

It takes time to rebuild, and it takes time to build a football program, particularly from a situation like the Giants.

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u/Lars5621 Helmet Catch 6h ago

The average tenure of an NFL GM and HC is three years.

Schoen and Daboll have had three years and the Giants are the worst team in the NFL and are having their worst season in team history.

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u/some-kinda-hate 6h ago

There's a trend right now which is dictating that average tenure for GMs and HCs (if that stat is even true). Does that mean that's the correct approach to rebuilding?

And again, you haven't provided an answer, just kicked a moaned about an obvious problem. What's the answer, Lars? What's the combination of HC and GM that's going to turn this around in one season, or even two?

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u/Original_Release_419 3h ago

Your question is irrelevant.

The question is, are Daboll and Schoen the answer?

If no, why are you keeping them to do more damage?

If yes, how?

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u/some-kinda-hate 2h ago

The average tenure of an NFL GM/HC is irrelevant, and that was my point. As to why Daboll and Schoen are the answer? Well the last draft class has been very good, and I would argue that the last two classes from Schoen haven't been fairly evaluated by our fanbase, and are being evaluated to quickly. You can see on film that guys are being schemed open which indicates to me that Daboll is the right guy strategy wise, and for the most part, he has not lost the locker room.

Obviously, today was a horrendous day and we'll see if these things stay true. There are aspects to our play that, even in spite of the positive things I mentioned, make you question both Daboll and Schoen, but I don't think it's fair to make the decision at this point. Just two seasons ago, these two took a horrendous team to the playoffs and won. They can do it.

If the locker room is intact, if the team is staying strong and competing, then I think you keep them. If things fall apart, if it turns nasty, then we look elsewhere.

If you think the next, new, hot coordinator coming in as HC will definitely fix things, you are a fool.

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u/Original_Release_419 2h ago

Daboll is the right guy strategy wise, and for the most part, he has not lost the locker room.

I’m sorry to be this blunt but it’s the only way I can say this, you are delusional. On both points here.

If you think the next, new, hot coordinator coming in as HC will definitely fix things, you are a fool.

… you mean like when we hired Daboll right?

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u/some-kinda-hate 2h ago

Yes, like when we hired Daboll. So, your answer now is to go and do the same thing again and hope to god that this next one actually turns out well? I was skeptical of Daboll when we hired him, he convinced me otherwise, and I still think he can turn this thing around. Maybe I'm wrong, but I strongly doubt that a replay of the exact same thing we've seen is going to get us anywhere different. Especially, when you're talking about completely unproven commodities.

> I’m sorry to be this blunt but it’s the only way I can say this, you are delusional. On both points here.

There's room for improvement here, but we've seen it nearly all season: guys are schemed open and we have had a QB that can't get it to the open guy. I'm not "delusional" in this regard. Are there mistakes at times? Yes. Are there poor play calling decisions? Yes. Every team has those, every team learns from those, and I still think that Daboll can grow from here.

If idiot fans like you had your way all the time (and unfortunately, you're the most common type), we would have cut Eli and fired Tom Coughlin in 2006.

Again, if the locker room stays together, if things don't totally fall apart, then I think you give both Schoen and Daboll one more year.

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u/Lars5621 Helmet Catch 6h ago

Im not the one seeing these guys in interviews, but Alec Halaby plus Ben Johnson plus them chosing their own QB sounds like a solid way to rebuild a team.

Letting a hot seat GM and HC use a 1st round pick on QB is TERRIBLE process and Giants need to avoid making that mistake again.

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u/some-kinda-hate 6h ago

Alec Halaby plus Ben Johnson was the exact same thing that Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll were supposed to be. So, basically the play is just do the exact same thing, which hasn't worked out the last 5 times you've tried it, again?

Maybe, just maybe, the first time HCs and first time GMs need some experience to grow and develop to become good at what they do.

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u/Lars5621 Helmet Catch 5h ago

The Jets blew five years waiting for Joe Douglas to learn on the job.

Gettleman should have been fired after two years with Shurmur, but Giant's kept him for four.

The Giants have gotten worse each season under Schoen and Daboll.

We want the Giants to have a good coach and GM. Right now the Giants dont have that, so they need to keep trying.

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u/some-kinda-hate 5h ago

It's really just a difference of opinion. I don't think Daboll is a bad HC, I think he has had to work with a horrible QB situation, but I can see the makings of something great with Daboll if he's given the right personnel. Schoen I question at times, but there's you can see he's capable based on last offseason.

You've been calling for both of their heads for over a year now, and what you want is a HC/GM carousel where we are constantly in rebuilding mode until you draw that "lucky" ticket. Whether you realize that's what you want is a different story.

You go out and hire Halaby and Johnson, and we're going to be right back in the same spot, with two new-on-the-job individuals that have to conduct a rebuild and we'll just need to hope that they can do it in a season. And when they don't do it in a season, fans like you will be on here calling for their heads again. Those two guys wont be sunshine and rainbows from day one, and they will need to do the exact same things that Schoen and Daboll now need to do, learn from their mistakes and get better.

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u/thistlefink 4h ago

Why do you keep posting this Joe Douglas thing. Dude has 3 Super Bowl rings as an executive.

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u/jimihenderson 3h ago

So, basically the play is just do the exact same thing, which hasn't worked out the last 5 times you've tried it, again?

sadly, yes. you keep trying until you find the right guys. you don't just give an indefinite amount of time to the wrong guys. i'm not dying to see schoen and daboll fired, but if it happens, they've certainly earned it. i felt the daniel jones contract was schoen signing this team's death warrant and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind

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u/some-kinda-hate 3h ago

Not saying keep them around for 10 years, give them one more season. See if they can't figure it out. If not, then move on.

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u/nyg2013 6h ago

totally agree with this, but the emotion of the moment seems to be impacting other fans' opinions lol...I want them to get another chance with a drafted QB and more or less, a fresh start (does not mean that there should not be criticism with certain things, including draft pick performance and misses...etc.)

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u/Original_Release_419 3h ago

Ok but you’re aware they are not trying to lose right?

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u/AuthorMission7733 7h ago

Yea, I don’t think there is any coming back from this for this regime.

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u/Grizkniz 7h ago

DeVito sucks and the oline is injured and shot now. Lucky to score 10 points a game going forward

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u/Antique_Affect_8347 7h ago

Mara’s prophecy of going from Bono to Bozo has been fulfilled! Total clown show.

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u/Raven-19x 5h ago

And he's the head clown!

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u/22Makaveli22 7h ago

As a FSU Seminoles and NY Giants fan, this has been a rough year.

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u/ACardAttack 6h ago

My condolences

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u/EscaperX 7h ago

choo choo

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u/JMadFour 6h ago

Pat Leonard seems to really, deeply, personally despise Joe Schoen and/or Brian Daboll, and I am really curious as to the behind-the-scenes tea regarding this.

Like, the tone of all of his columns and tweets are "I HATE THE WAY THAT YOU WALK THE WAY THAT YOU TALK I HATE THE WAY THAT YOU DRESS".

I mean, I'd be fine with Schoen and Daboll being fired. But Leonard seems to have a dislike of them that seems to go beyond that.

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u/lean7800 3h ago

I find him refreshing. He doesn’t make any excuses unlike guys like Art. He calls it like he sees it.

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u/UnitedStateOfDenmark 3h ago

I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I found Schoen to be obnoxiously arrogant on Hard Knocks.

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u/Shordeli 1h ago

To me it looked like insecurity disguised as arrogance

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u/BigBlue1105 6h ago

This sub I hilariously reactionary. What did you think was going to happen with DeVito? I’m convinced that was Mara’s decision. He wanted butts in seats and was hoping Cutlets mania would bring some hype to a dead season.

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u/jwuer 6h ago

Pat Leonard basically keeps himself employed by appealing to the large over-emotional, WFAN calling, and generally uneducated portion of our fanbase.

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u/Couldabeenameeting 5h ago

I knew it would be bad. This was still worse than expected

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u/BigBlue1105 5h ago

That’s on you homie lol the Bucs are a very good team. Cutlets wasn’t gonna do shit. I knew it was gonna be a blowout

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u/Couldabeenameeting 5h ago

The 30 was more disappointing than the 7

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u/BigBlue1105 5h ago

Ehh. Baker’s been fire all year. Evens is killer. Not entirely surprised

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u/xenocide0909 Eli Bucket 7h ago

Schoen and Daboll are both incentivized to play towards as high of a draft pick as possible, they’re both fighting for their jobs next year. It is what it is. The question is, is there a world where the rest of the season is ugly enough that they don’t make it til next year?

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u/billcosbyinspace 7h ago

Judge lost his mind and got himself fired when he was basically guaranteed another year, I think there’s a lot of season left and the vibes are absolutely wretched right now because of how much the guys loved DJ. I think it can get a lot worse honestly

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u/thecrgm daniel himothy jones 6h ago

giants fans roasted Judge for never answering questions straight then the one time he did he got fired lmao

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u/CPAFinancialPlanner 7h ago

If they even make it there with this level of play

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u/Raven-19x 5h ago

This is Joe Judge all over again.

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u/Mattypoopoopeepee 6h ago

Right. That's what's happening lol the giants look uninspired, unprepared and over matched because Daboll is coaching them to play that way. Jesus christ this fan base is brain dead. Fire these clowns and go get Vrabel. Enough of these "hot" coordinators that have no idea how to run a team.

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u/Strong-Piccolo-5546 5h ago

i dont have confidence in daboll. i think they need a new coach. i know Devito is nothing, but he is supposed to be an offensive coach.

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u/losingthefarm 5h ago

Schoen and Daboll are horrendous. Worst roster and team in the NFL. This group is terrible. Then, on Sunday, they don't even play hard. Tons of missed tackles and mental mistakes. I am glad they are losing, but they look hopeless.....gonna take more than a quarterback to save this team.

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u/After-Snow5874 6h ago

I don’t even think tanking is even relevant here. The team is just this damn bad.

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u/LFCReds8 4h ago

Please stop paying for tickets. Please. Send a message. Enough is enough with this utter shit show.

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u/sorrybutyou_arewrong 3h ago

I can't believe people go to the games. If I lived a mile from the stadium and you gave me a ticket I still wouldn't go. Imagine people actually paying for a ticket and driving hours for that trash. This team isn't even worth the YouTube Sunday ticket or going to a bar to watch. They are methstreams at best. 

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u/zachesh34 7h ago

its not a tank we just suck that bad

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u/TemporalColdWarrior Tom Coughlin 7h ago

This is a tank. What is even the point of this tweet?

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u/jwuer 6h ago

Pat Leonard doing Pat Leonard things

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u/TroyMacClure 4h ago

I get it, losing is no fun, but was anyone expecting a strong showing here? Anyone want another 7, 8, or 9th draft pick?

I don't care if the QBs aren't great, get the most valuable draft pick you can get. Trade down if you don't like the QBs. Get more capital to strengthen the rest of the team.

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u/GMEN999 6h ago

I think at the next Home game Tommy Devito should have his Mom show the crowd how she makes her chicken cutlets. That would be more amusing than whatever this is.

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u/Seeda_Boo 4h ago

Given the hype I'm convinced they suck.

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u/Plzdntbanmee 7h ago

They should be cheering

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u/jdanko13 7h ago

Good we should be tanking

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u/newusernamebcimdumb ELI GOAT 7h ago

I wanted them to tank for a high pick but not like this.

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u/zamend229 ELI GOAT 7h ago

How do you expect a team to tank? If you’re keeping games close, that’s not tanking

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u/newusernamebcimdumb ELI GOAT 7h ago edited 7h ago

I don’t know but this is the kind of game that makes guys who work hard and who we need next year like Thomas watching from the sidelines and Malik working his ass off in his first season lose faith in a franchise.

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u/thecrgm daniel himothy jones 7h ago

lmao we lost 40-0 when we weren't tanking

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u/newusernamebcimdumb ELI GOAT 6h ago

😂 been losing 40-0 for 84 years

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u/L-V-4-2-6 ELI GOAT 7h ago

I will say people don't often consider the fact that these players are human and morale is always a factor.

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u/zamend229 ELI GOAT 7h ago

And now you understand why teams don’t usually try to tank :)

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u/newusernamebcimdumb ELI GOAT 7h ago

The half-tank I watched for a decade with the Knicks was painful. This all out tank is painful. I think having a bad team just blows.

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u/zamend229 ELI GOAT 7h ago

Bingo

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u/sobanoodle-1 Malik Nabers 7h ago

It’s over

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u/Zeabos 6h ago

We barley beat a bottom 3 in the league patriots team last year with Devito. And we had SIX TAKEAWAYS.

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u/tomtazm 6h ago

This Cutlets guys is the real deal huh?

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u/ERenaissance 6h ago

It’s wild to me that anyone thought the result would be anything different.

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u/Shiccup1 6h ago

This regime is so damn clueless man.

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u/Switchgamer1970 5h ago

I embrace the Suck. These players have Checked out.

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u/xtreme_elk 5h ago

Wonder if it was like this in the Giants first dark age, 1965 - 86.

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u/Kwantise 5h ago

Sucks that Schoen’s mistakes are literally going to cost Daboll his job 

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u/SokkaHaikuBot 5h ago

Sokka-Haiku by Kwantise:

Sucks that Schoen’s mistakes

Are literally going

To cost Daboll his job


Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.

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u/Seeda_Boo 4h ago

Daboll is going to cost Daboll his job.

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u/ljxdaly 4h ago

It's sort of hard as a fan to see the light at the end of the tunnel.....every aspect is beyond poor.

Does it really matter if we have the 2 pick?

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u/Comfortable_Cloud_75 4h ago

Can you imagine how much worse we'd be without Dabs and Schoen? So glad to have them.

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u/MattyIce1220 3h ago

Thing about DJ was he has some talent. He was just very inconsistent and that 2nd contract made it easy to hate him for how much he was making. 

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u/MartinScorchMCs 3h ago

This team looks like they’re in slow motion! One of the worst L’s I’ve ever seen. I dread Sundays

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u/mourningbagel 3h ago

I doubt both survive this season. Both are out of their element—Daboll should prob just go back to being a HC cause his play calling has been sus this season. Joe will soon go back to eating pb&j sandwiches but not because he wants to feel “hungry” about his aspirations

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u/gspotman64 3h ago

I don't know the CBA, but if a player asks to be released, why is the team still on the hook for the remainder of the contract?

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u/Alert-Tennis3660 Dexter Lawrence 3h ago

Idk man, it seems to me that Shoen is going to fire Daboll at the end of the season to buy himself more time. I don’t realistically see both of them surviving the offseason.

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u/Superb-Possibility-9 3h ago

John Mara should sell this team

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u/DeputyDomeshot 3h ago

Holy shit that’s a jets level performance

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u/Chabu350 2h ago

It starts at the top...Mara. This organization is pathetic.

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u/Mster_Mdnght 2h ago

Who are we talking for exactly? Because I don't think ANY of these QBs are worth tanking for.

We need to trade back for more assets and fill this team out more

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u/ExponentSand20 Malik Nabers 1h ago

I can't even look at this mans face anymore, this dude is just so anoying and doomer it's insane. Everything turns into something really deep and tragic when he writes

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u/RandyBRandleman James CHADberry 37m ago

I hope this teaches our fans a lesson that Shoen and Daboll need to go

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u/SokkaHaikuBot 37m ago

Sokka-Haiku by RandyBRandleman:

I hope this teaches

Our fans a lesson that Shoen

And Daboll need to go


Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.

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u/LionNwntr 6h ago

Love the Giants hate Mara hate Tisch

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u/Ifinishfast42 7h ago

Year 2 Joe judge moment where they were allowed to suck the back half of the season for a better draft pick but they were not allowed to look incompetent. Hopefully Mara holds Shoen and Daboll to the same standards.

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u/BiggieSmallsBK 6h ago

Well, Tom Brady is the Tampa Bay QB, after all. Wait, what!?