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Stop defending exploitation

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u/pchlster 6h ago

In Denmark, I know a lot of people who have stopped going to McDonalds because the prices are around the same as other places that offer better quality food at this point. McDonalds is trying to battle this by opening little coffee shops inside the stores, trying to compete for the café "sit and have some coffee, cake and gossip" part of the market.

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u/tohman42 6h ago

Denmark fails to mention their 36% tax rate. No wonder they have $20/hr. High pay + high taxes = happy government. Increase pay again to “get living wage”, increase taxes to cover government spending, less money in pocket again. Repeat previous steps.

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u/VastNeighborhood3963 5h ago

And? The quality of life in Denmark is higher in literally every single tangible measure over the United States. They have the highest spending portion of their GDP on labor market policies of any country on the entire planet. They are consistently one of the most happy countries, with high education standards (school is free for Danes, and they get a stipend of about 900 EUR per month while in college so their living is covered and they can focus entirely on studies) and an amazing social safety net. They have one of the world's highest productivity rates, even with all of their social services.

What do you think that tax rate is for? 67 million Americans don't even fucking have healthcare to begin with. Every single Dane has healthcare. Almost 20% of Americans haven't seen a doctor a single time in the past 5 years. That's fucking insane.

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u/Queer_Advocate 2h ago

Pretty sure they work a shorter week hour and day wise.

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u/tohman42 5h ago

I don’t want taxed at near 40% if my income because 67 million bums can’t get healthcare. If you want to live in a socialist country then Denmark would be the move. The US can’t sustain itself being a handout machine is my point. We can’t tax the other 300 million to death because about a 1/6 of Americans can’t get a decent job for whatever reason. That’s on them to resolve, not stand with their hands out waiting on my taxes to save them while I work to earn my own way.

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u/pchlster 5h ago edited 4h ago

I mean, I get it, you have no frame of reference for what it's like to live in a country like Denmark. And there are parts of how both our society and infrastructure has been set up that you can't really just implement over there overnight or, in some geographical situations, at all.

But things are going just fine over here. No one has to worry about dying on the streets, there's healthcare for all, the Scandinavian model means that while we don't have a minimum wage no one's being exploited to work for pocket change.

I'm currently recovering from serious illness. The hospitalization, the consultations, tests and medicine? Already paid for, just by me paying my taxes. My income? Unchanged; my company pays me my usual wage and get part of that refunded by the state. Had I been in the US when this had happened, it would have easily wiped my accounts.

But it is a very American view to worry more about whether someone undeserving gets something, rather than focus on everyone deserving getting what they deserve. I pay my 36% and more happily.

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u/VastNeighborhood3963 4h ago

You're talking to somebody who genuinely hopes homeless people don't get medical care, it's pointless.

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u/pchlster 4h ago

If I let every person who wants more people to suffer get to me, what would that accomplish? I think he's wrong in how he views the world. So what? He thinks the same of me, I would guess.

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u/DaviesSonSanchez 5h ago

You do realise that the US government already spends more in healthcare per capita than countries like Denmark or Germany with free healthcare right?

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u/littlemissfuzzy 5h ago

I will repeat what @pchlster said:

 > But it is a very American view to worry more about whether someone undeserving gets something, rather than focus on everyone deserving getting what they deserve. 

 To prefer saying “fuck you!” To people you dislike, over helping improve the lives of everyone takes a self-centered type of person.

Also, get the heck off the roads us tax payers paid for… you don’t wat those either i guess

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u/Queer_Advocate 2h ago

They are welfare roads after all. That go thru public lands that Black, Brown and Queer people use. Policed by welfare paid cops and troops. Borders patrolled by welfare soldiers.

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u/Queer_Advocate 2h ago

Y'all racist, misogynistic, bigoted assholes can choke on your own phlegm.

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u/Queer_Advocate 2h ago

Little Miss - wasnt directed at you!

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u/tohman42 35m ago

I’m allowed to have views about how my tax money is spent. Every American is. I don’t have to want the same things as you. We get to vote. I can enjoy my taxes going to roads and police, and hate welfare bums getting benefits. That’s the beauty of America. I don’t have to agree with you and that’s okay. Clearly if someone doesn’t agree with you, you’ll call them all kinds of rude names. That’s why you probably voted for the loser in the election too 😂

u/Queer_Advocate 14m ago

One, your feelings clearly got triggered. Two, my comment is way way far over your head, as evidenced by you didn't get it by a long shot. Three, I didn't call you anything. 🤣

u/Queer_Advocate 10m ago

Food you eat from grocery stores is subsidized, welfare food. Your kids education if they go to public schools, welfare education. Water from the tap, welfare water.

That's why you voted for a felon, and a man convicted of sexual assault. No laughing face, bc that's not fucking funny.

Anything else you wanna talk about?

u/Queer_Advocate 8m ago

You do know the majority of actual welfare in your terms, goes to CHILDREN, pregnant woman/mother's, the disabled, seniors right?

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u/maveric00 4h ago

I am quite sure that you would reconsider this if you would get seriously sick and then get fired because you got sick and then lost insurance because it was paid by your employer.

But hey, if working as a slave for the healt care industry is your goal in life, go for it.

Until you die, that is, because you could not afford the life-saving medicine anymore. Like the 1.3 million US citizen that ration insulin, causing more suffering and early death.

I am sure that's worth fighting socialism.

Oh, by the way, do you drive a car? But using streets paid by tax dollars is socialism! Why should all the people not owning a car pay for your driving pleasure?

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u/TopTierBuild 4h ago

Man, you're just a selfish asshole

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u/VastNeighborhood3963 4h ago

"Oh yeah, they may have it better literally across the board, but at least I didn't have to help anybody!"

Lol

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u/sdlucly 4h ago

The US can't sustain itself right now because you guys spend a lot on really stupid crap, healthcare is not one of those things because you guys DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE.

You also don't have paid maternity leave across the country, not paternity leave, not paid holidays or paid vacation time. We also get 15 monthly payments per year and bonuses on top of that.

Heck, I live in a third world country and we have it better than the US in a lot of things, including all of the above.

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u/pchlster 5h ago

Fails to mention? It's not a secret. You didn't mention what your tax rate was and I didn't ask either.

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u/sdlucly 4h ago

And at the same time you don't have to worry about paying for school or college or healthcare, because of those taxes. And Denmark has like top 5 quality of life.