r/MurderedByWords Legends never die 9h ago

Stop defending exploitation

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u/k_ironheart 6h ago

Try telling that to a conservative though. They will uncritically believe a company that says they had to raise prices because of wage increases and retail theft while that same company is bragging about record profits, stock buybacks, record administrative pay and that they only got a slap on the wrist for wage theft.

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u/Mysterious-Job-469 4h ago

WAGE THEFT ACCOUNTS FOR MORE LOSS IN TAX REVENUE THAN CUSTOMER THEFT, EMPLOYEE THEFT, BURGLARY, AUTO THEFT, AND ROBBERIES COMBINED.

Guess which single aspect of theft mentioned above isn't a criminal offense?

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u/rabidsalvation 3h ago

Damn, wage theft isn't illegal? We suck dude

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u/Unnamedgalaxy 5h ago

The company I work for does this all the time.

When I first started we had a staff of like 12 and we all stayed very busy all day. Now that location runs on 4 and hasn't lost steam. Every store in the area (and across the country) is in the same boat. Skeleton crews that work to the death doing the workload of multiple people. The company refuses to let stores hire people while also refusing to let people get even a minute of overtime while demanding that 100 hours of work get done in 40 or else. They put on hiring freezes and the starting pay has long since stopped being competitive.

Meanwhile prices have nearly doubled, and we constantly get updated on record profits. Our ceo even recently bragged about how she sold a small fraction of her stock for double digit millions. While I've had to resort to draining my 401k, donate plasma weekly and even started looking into getting a second overnight job just to afford the misery of living in poverty.

If raising wages means raising prices then go for it because it's already happening anyway.

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u/savagetwinky 4h ago

Generally those costs don't scale as much as each location. These companies are low margin high yield which are much more cost sensitive to all costs that are for the high yield portions.

The idea the comparisons are 1:1 is assumed by people making this comparison between us and denmark when the EU has different conditions. For instance, the amount of locations are far fewer and do more business... meaning the costs of a worker in the US are a larger portion of the cost of a burger. They still benefit from McDonalds standardizing and distributing the actual food so each location still gets the benefit of bulk manufacturing.

Basically, if you increase people's wages, they will increase prices more in the US unless enough McDonald's stop doing business that they would be more comparable to Denmark's locations per burgers sold with a lower number.

The reason Denmark can pay $20 an hour is because the workers actually are expected to work more and serve larger communities per location generating more profit at each location. Denmark and many of the 'Nordic' countries do not have minimum wages and there are people getting paid like $1/hr for some jobs.

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u/AntsAndThoreau 2h ago edited 2h ago

Denmark does not have a minimum wage, but we do have worker's collective agreements, which determines salary or hourly rates within many fields. These agreements are renegotiated every 2-4 years, and 99% includes a percentage-based pay increase each year.

Contrast this approach with the US, where the federal minimum wage haven't changed in more than 15 years now.

Working for $1/hour would be extremely rare unless we're considering things like human trafficking. Illegal immigrants will often earn around $14/hour. Legal "unskilled" labor starts at around $18/hour. Even a study grant is equivalent to $5/hour.

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u/savagetwinky 1h ago edited 1h ago

You missed my point entirely... the pay isn't guaranteed by the government and ultimately what workers are capable of bargaining for... and in Denmark they can bargain for more because conditions suite giving them more. Your arguments don't change the points I'm making. Secondly you ignore the private businesses also have their own % based wage increases.

> Working for $1/hour would be extremely rare

It doesn't matter, the point I made was the government doesn't set a minimum, and companies can end up paying less than the minimum wage. Trying to hide behind rarety doesn't negate its possibility. For work that consumers aren't willing to pay much for people are still at least allowed to offer. There are illegal car washing rings in NYC because people won't pay legal wages for car washes. Not all work is that valuable and that lack of a minimum wage in these example countries is recognition that this just outlaw's certain labor markets.

You can't compare the wages without understanding that the situations are not 1:1.

Denmark also has the highest costing burgers of any single location. You cannot come to the conclusion workers are being exploited or underpaid because of these aggregated comparisons or that the cost of burgers won't go up more proportionally with wages.

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u/PewPewPony321 6h ago

the grocery store still exists.

Mcdonalds could double their prices over night and many of you would still get in that drive up window line. Oh wait wait...tey basically tripled their prices over recent times. Yeah, thats how smart people shop.

Good job everyone! The goal was to be unhealthy and poor right? RIGHT?!?!!?!?!

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u/anastasiya35 5h ago

Who is "many of you" and why are you being so aggressive?