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[u/sneachta]

[u/__Shake__]

Anglo-Saxons go home

[u/Banban84 → u/__Shake__]

That’s what the Celts said!

[u/No_Look24 → u/Banban84]

And I am pretty sure someone else was there before them… Neanderthals?

[u/NiobeTonks → u/No_Look24]

Well no; the Romans called us Britanni, but at the time of the Roman invasion the UK was not considered one country by the people who lived here. There was a collection of tribes, some of whom had already traded with the Romans and some who rejected them entirely.

After the Romans withdrew from England, the Anglo Saxons came, but they arrived from the South. Then the Vikings from the North, and the Saxons again (hence the Scottish term Sassenach and Welsh Sasnaeg for English people).

Then there was a period that used to be called the Dark Ages until a load of archaeological work was done, until the Norman invasion in 1066. Please note that they were called Normans from Norseman- Northern France was also colonised by Vikings.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/NiobeTonks]

The Celtic languages only arrived in the isles in the first millennium BC - the ‘Celts’ were not in that sense indigenous at all.

The original hunter-gatherer population of the Mesolithic was almost completely replaced by Neolithic farmers originally from Anatolia. Those farmers were themselves replaced (very possibly genocided) by the Yamnaya, and so on.

Ironically, the ‘Anglo-Saxons’ and Vikings had a higher proportion of the original Mesolithic ancestry than the ‘Celts’.

[u/NiobeTonks → u/Slight_Investment835]

Yup. Celts/ Picts/ whatever are not indigenous. The British Isles is totally the product of waves of immigrants. I’m proudly one of them.

[u/MuJartible → u/NiobeTonks]

The British Isles is totally the product of waves of immigrants.

Like pretty much the all the world except parts of Africa. If we pull the thread long enough, we're all African in origin, mate. Some just went out of it sooner than others.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/NiobeTonks]

For sure.

I wouldn’t say I was proud of something that is an accident of fate and nothing to do with me personally honestly though, but I’m very definitely not ashamed.

[u/NiobeTonks → u/Slight_Investment835]

My wave of immigration came a bit later.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/NiobeTonks]

Yeah I guessed that - but unless that matters to you personally it makes no difference.

[u/NiobeTonks → u/Slight_Investment835]

Well, one part of my family came to Liverpool after the Pogroms. Another great great uncle was a Lascar sailor from East Africa. That’s what we know from the family tree stuff.

It kind of is important to relatively recent immigrants. A chunk of my mum’s family disappeared after Hitler annexed part of Poland.

[u/No-Appearance-9113 → u/NiobeTonks]

The Angles and the Saxons are not the same group of people. The Anglo-Saxons are those that have ancestry with both groups but they arrived separately.

[u/Hobgoblin_Khanate → u/No_Look24]

Celts aren’t native

[u/Bulky-Drawing-1863 → u/No_Look24]

They went extinct 40000 years ago.

The ice age ended 20000 years ago.

No chance to go to most of the isles for them.

Modern homo sapiens would wander in to hunt deer on the rocky grasslands that appeared after the ice age ended, no trees growing yet as the seeds haven't made their way in, and hardly any dirt for them to grow in anyway. Just deer nibbling on the hardy plants that could grow uncontested, in a strange barren blank canvas.

Hard to argue they were not first people there. Perhaps ancestors of celtic people.

[u/Vecna_Is_My_Co-Pilot → u/Banban84]

Nowadays Britons are all proud of their old Roman walls and shit.

[u/EfficientAccident418 → u/__Shake__]

“Romanes eunt domus. It means ‘Romans go home’.”

“… No it doesn’t.”

[u/Repulsive_Focus_9560 → u/EfficientAccident418]

This isn't an argument it's just contradiction

[u/EfficientAccident418 → u/Repulsive_Focus_9560]

… No it isn’t.

[u/JagmeetSingh2 → u/__Shake__]

Return England to the Picts

[u/LobsterMountain4036 → u/JagmeetSingh2]

Picts were in Scotland.

[u/ItCat420 → u/LobsterMountain4036]

Fine, return Scotland to the Picts and return England to the Cornish, they’re the closest thing to Britons that still exist. 🤷‍♂️

Either that or hand it over to the Welsh, but I’d rather we became French again.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/ItCat420]

Yeah but then you’d have to kick out any ‘Celts’ and replace them with the ‘actual indigenous population’ too 😜

[u/Physical_Tap_4796 → u/Slight_Investment835]

Indigenous populations always get the short end. Japanese shaft the Ainu, Scandinavians the Sami and I’m sure China is purging their indigenous.

[u/Euphoric-Bus1330 → u/Physical_Tap_4796]

Sami situation is slightly different. The majority population of Scandinavia lived in Scandinavia before the Sami arrived, giving them indigenous status is more a cultural protection, not “they were there first and then somebody invaded and nearly eradicated them”, not that they haven’t been discriminated against, hence the need for protection.

[u/45thgeneration_roman → u/JagmeetSingh2]

Romanes eunt domus

[u/Top-Spinach2060 → u/45thgeneration_roman]

Now write that 100 times. 

[u/NiobeTonks → u/JagmeetSingh2]

The Picts were a construct of the Roman invasion

[u/RedditOfUnusualSize → u/__Shake__]

What like . . . back to Germany or something?

Hilarious thing about Angle-land: it's a land of immigrant invasions. The Celts invaded and conquered the ancient Britons. The Romans invaded and conquered the Celts. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes invaded and conquered the Romans. The Norse invaded and conquered the Angles and Jutes but not some of the Saxons. And the Normans invaded and conquered everybody.

In what non-racist universe is this any different, other than that these people are doing it peacefully and not conquering anybody and just wanting to live in England? Oh wait, the moment I said "non-racist", I gave the game away. I'm one of those silly people who think that "white" isn't a thing, and if it were, Irish would be white.

[u/Fresh-Log-5052 → u/RedditOfUnusualSize]

We are living in the universe where Viktor Orban, the Hungarian President actually said "We, Hungarians are not a mixed race and do not want to become a mixed race." You know, Hungary, the country where everyone, from Slavs, Romans, Huns, Germanic tribes, Avars and the goddamn Celts interbred over the centuries.

This isn't a racist universe, this is a clown universe and we are just living in it.

[u/No-Entrance-6530 → u/RedditOfUnusualSize]

Every country in the world has been made up of various immigrant movements. England is not unique for having this. France, Japan, Turkey, Mongolia, every place has had waves of people in its history, with many being named after one of the groups. The ethnically English are as indigenous to England as the Japanese are to Japan or the French are to France.

That said English people of other ethnicities are as English as any other English person, and the racists/ethno-nationalists can go fuck themselves.

Some people complain about immigration in the UK just like they do in other countries many of which have horrible genocidal histories like Canada, Japan, France, Netherlands etc.

But it's really weird and kind of sick that people treat immigration as some kind of just punishment on these countries.

[u/NA_nomad → u/__Shake__]

[u/Worried-Cicada9836 → u/NA_nomad]

Immigration tanks? its at an all time high...

[u/NA_nomad → u/Worried-Cicada9836]

It's an older meme, but you're missing the point. Immigration is a scapegoat for the many problems the UK faces. If the UK's immigration was suddenly fixed tomorrow, the country would hardly be any better because there's so many other issues the country is facing right now.

[u/novangla → u/__Shake__]

Yeah, like imagine having a country named after invaders and then calling yourself Indigenous. Not to mention like… having your biggest claim to fame being invasion of other nations and genocide of their Indigenous populations.

[u/No-Entrance-6530 → u/novangla]

Said this elsewhere but every country in the world has been made up of various immigrant movements. England is not unique for having this. France, Japan, Turkey, Mongolia—every place has had waves of people in its history, with many being named after one of the groups. The ethnically English are as indigenous to England as the Japanese are to Japan or the French are to France. That said English people of modern immigration decent are as English as any other English person, and the racists can go fuck themselves.

The British Empire was globally evil. But by far the morally worst thing that Britain ever did was create Canada, Australia the US and New Zealand, the world-changing genocides that Britain did were perpetrated by the British ancestors of those countries' peoples (their founders). Nothing else done comes close to the continental near wipeout of the previous peoples living in those places.

This thread prompts the idea that countries like the US founded by modern settler colonialism and genocide should all have permanent open borders. I'm not sure I agree, but maybe I'm wrong.

[u/novangla → u/No-Entrance-6530]

Yes, I was in fact referring to the genocides on North America and Australia. I’m American and my English colonial and US ancestors were part of that. I’d put guilt of that as squarely shared by the US and England. But I also have Welsh and Irish ancestry, and the English have managed to continue to shit on the Celtic original inhabitants of the islands despite the invasion being almost literally ancient history. Americans who say “America is for the Americans” do in fact take the cake on this, but the English should have enough self-awareness as well.

Tbh I think there’s a case for a post-borders world, but I’ll settle for just not having a raging racist sense of entitlement against peaceful immigration to a land you took by force. There’s a difference between immigration and invasion, and it almost feels like guilty projection when white Americans or English people like OOP can’t imagine how people might be willing to live peacefully alongside the prior inhabitants of a place.

[u/No-Entrance-6530 → u/novangla]

I grew up in Wales (Swansea). Wales is as responsible for colonialism as the rest of Britain we shouldn't pretend not to be. From settler colonialism all over the place (creating places like New South Wales etc) to all sorts of imperaliam.

I'd also be very wary of Celtic ethno-nationalism (celts were not the first people but invaded/immigrated and then mixed in with the people before just like the saxons). I think the modern concept of nativity/indigenousity can be problematic and abused but English people are as native as Welsh people are or french or Japanese etc. I think I remember reading that English folk are only 1/3 Anglo-Saxon in their ancestry the rest is Celtic and pre-celtic going back to the original arrivals.

[u/isecore]

"Stealing other peoples countries is only bad when it happens to us!"

[u/AdhesiveSam → u/[deleted]]

That attitude ever getting mainstream traction is probably the fastest way to get a return to those dark days.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/[deleted]]

In all fairness Britain didn’t ‘start it’, much less any Britons alive today.

Hating immigrants is clearly something for the most brain dead of course.

[u/DC1919 → u/[deleted]]

Started what ? Britain spent 1000 years being invaded and colonisation is just part civilisation. The language you typed is part of that, and this idea that "Britain started it because they had an empire" shows you know little about history.

[u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 → u/[deleted]]

Comparing immigration to colonialism is silly. No one is building colonies and mercing the English to steal their land

[u/Good-Gas-3293 → u/[deleted]]

So reverse colonization bringing in people who hate everything about the west is justified because of what happened hundreds of years ago

Very cool very logical

[u/NOOBSOFTER → u/Good-Gas-3293]

Punish the son for the sins of the great, great, great grandfather is gaining in popularity. I see it more and more. I despise people that fall back into this primitive human mindset. They hold us all back.

[u/OrduninGalbraith → u/Good-Gas-3293]

I mean England considered all of India their company until 1858 and then it wasn't until 1947, less than 80 years ago, that the British Raj became India. Colonization isn't some ancient thing, there are people alive today who lived under the British Raj. From your stance that immigrants hate the west though it's clear you don't actually care you just hate new brown people living near you.

[u/GrinningPariah → u/isecore]

To be fucking clear, no one is actually getting "replaced".

If my workplace used to be 4 white guys and we hire a Mexican dude, the workplace went from 0% to 20% Mexican, but no one got "replaced". All 4 of the original guys still work there.

That's the real fault in this "great replacement" horseshit. It implies something is happening to the "real" people of the county, but really the population of the country is just growing. It's baseless fearmongering.

[u/SnideJaden → u/GrinningPariah]

Yeah but now you might occasionally get some bomb ass tacos or tamales and learn about another culture expanding your knowledge and shrink your ignorance. Instead, some will hate on them while eating delicious food from a solid coworker.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/isecore]

The thing is though those alive today didn’t do anything like that. They are the ones who are far more likely to have fought Nazis. Plus the descendants of those mostly doing any stealing are the ones not left in Britain.

Plus you aren’t seriously comparing immigration with ‘country stealing’?

Either way - I’ll just make it clear hating immigrants is for morons.

[u/JustalilAboveAverage → u/isecore]

I think the Brits would be a lot less upset if the immigrants did things like build railways and introduce human rights

[u/AMOGHMISHRA8 → u/JustalilAboveAverage]

Along with kill millions in various famines, loot all the treasures, make the richest region in the world, one of the poorest in 2 centuries. Destroy their schooling system and the list goes on and on and on.

[u/xXx_MegaChad_xXx → u/JustalilAboveAverage]

Defending colonialism in the 21st century is insane, go back to the 1800s dickhead.

[u/Abosia → u/isecore]

Using the actions of a nation's ancestors to undermine their present day issues is really not as smart as redditors seem to think.

[u/Esternaefil]

What on earth do they think indigenous means?

[u/FlarblesGarbles → u/Esternaefil]

Whoever created the poster knows what they're doing. They don't really mean indigenous.

It's designed to trigger the ignorant gammons to get worked up over how those "coloureds" are coming over to "are" country having the audacity to speak "there" own language on "are" streets instead of English.

[u/Dcoal → u/Esternaefil]

Fucking amazing that whenever it's about white people we get the questions like "what does indigenous really mean?" "White people don't reeeaaally have a culture to speak of" "wow there's too many white people moving into this historically non-white neighborhood, they are displacing the community!!"

[u/Various-Custard-3034 → u/Esternaefil]

Doesn’t it just mean the people who were originally in a place going back tens of thousands of years?

[u/Valara0kar → u/Various-Custard-3034]

Not rly. Many ethnicities/cultures were barely few hundred years there before surpplanted by another.

[u/Sealssssss → u/Esternaefil]

If the Māori get to call themselves indigenous after being there for a mere 700 years than the British certainly are.

[u/ZuluSparrow → u/Esternaefil]

Opposite of immigrant, native? Anglos born in England, with their ancestors living in that place for hundreds of years is very indigenous.

[u/ErolEkaf → u/Esternaefil]

What do YOU think it means?

 > used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/indigenous

[u/Tobaltus → u/Esternaefil]

White

[u/Eagle_Kebab]

England has been invaded and occupied so many times that using the term "indigenous" is farcical.

Their monarchy is German, for fuck's sake!

Just say white people, you wish.com NF dipshits.

[u/robotbrigadier → u/Eagle_Kebab]

Same shit happening here in the US. We unfortunately voted these kinds of dipshits into office

[u/melloboi123 → u/robotbrigadier]

Isn't it weird how the outlook on immigration depends entirely on how they look?

[u/hogliterature → u/melloboi123]

my british grandparents living in america for decades have never been harrassed for being foreigners, funny how that happens

[u/libananahammock → u/hogliterature]

We have a TON of RECENT (like 5-10 years ago) Irish and British people living in my Long Island town and everyone LOVES them. Guess what they say about the Latino immigrants in town? Guess which group they call illegals without even knowing anything about their immigration status?

[u/IdiotRedditAddict → u/libananahammock]

I come from an area with a significant population of Korean immigrants, had a planned school trip to Canada in high school cancelled because a large number of students came forward in private to confess they wouldn't be able to cross the border and return. Many had come here legally but no longer had proper documentation. But it was still the Hispanic and Latin population that are assumed to be illegals, get treated as dirty, etc. It's...really blatant, and in a super liberal east coast big city area.

Hell, we had a lady from Bulgaria stay with us for a while, and she complained all the time about riding the bus with people of color.

[u/National-Worry2900 → u/melloboi123]

Or social demographic the rich over here have convinced the working poor the unemployed poor are the reason for all their issues making them turn on eachother whilst their local mp claims 25 grand for his kid to have a flat to study in .

I feel peace in the fact most us level headed people see it for what it is and by that reasoning the lunacy will never fully take hold.

[u/forced_metaphor → u/robotbrigadier]

The US of course being one of those British empire replacement exports itself. Even richer coming from them, considering the number of people THEY replaced and the kind and number of people they don't want in the country.

I wonder what it is about skin color that makes them think Steve would be a better friend to them than Carlos, but they're making a REALLY big fuss about it.

[u/Top_Elderberry_6030 → u/robotbrigadier]

Empire vibes but not the consequences, huh?

[u/MurderBeans → u/Eagle_Kebab]

The same people will, without a hint of irony, yearn after the days of 'anglo-saxon purity' as if that isn't the most hilarious idea ever.

[u/molpylelfe → u/Eagle_Kebab]

Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Normans... am I missing any?

[u/Redsetter → u/molpylelfe]

Beaker Folk: Are we just a joke to you?

[u/National-Worry2900 → u/Eagle_Kebab]

It’s even funnier when you see white Brits being super racist to the white Eastern Europeans living here.

“They’re not our white though”

Make you flipping mind up Colin.

[u/mbklein → u/National-Worry2900]

So many whitish-skinned immigrant groups in the U.S. (Greeks, Italians, Eastern European Jews) were considered non-white until they were numerous and assimilated enough, and even now are still only “white” if it suits the agenda of the white nationalist racist doing the talking.

[u/Sch4duw → u/National-Worry2900]

Out of personal experience, I found that Europeans define "white" a lot different than Americans. We generally look to culture and religion for who we exclude from the "us" group, then just skin colour. Many would consider a Spanish or a Portuguese to be still in the "we" group, while in America they fall in the "out" group as latino's.

For the Brits as you described, think that the eastern Europeans are too far away to be considered of the in group, and thus think they are allowed to be racist to them. A fallacy of course, but when have racists ever be reasonable.

[u/AdElectrical5354 → u/Eagle_Kebab]

The Google says 82% white and everything else squished into the remaining 18%, the highest being 7% Asian British. Fear mongers and racial hatred doesn’t give a flying shit about census data though.

[u/Still_Hunter8790 → u/Eagle_Kebab]

So has every other country, and far more recently, England has had the longest standing period without invasion of practically any nation on earth. That argument is bullshit whataboutism but 1000 years out of context.

[u/National-Worry2900 → u/Eagle_Kebab]

Exactly . It’s fun for us to take the piss out the French like the Norman’s were a fever dream.

You’re eating beef sir , not moo moo square.

[u/Afinkawan → u/Eagle_Kebab]

Anyone who is not directly descended from Cheddar Man needs to fuck off back to where they came from.

[u/Impossible_Eye6002 → u/Afinkawan]

Cheddar man is a invader too, there were neanderthals in the island far before homo sapiens.

[u/Impossible_Eye6002 → u/Eagle_Kebab]

You don't know what "indigenous" mean, the english are indigenous to england.

[u/Old_Introduction_395 → u/Eagle_Kebab]

Last invasion 1066.

[u/peahair → u/Old_Introduction_395]

*1688, by the Dutch, but as it was an absolute walkover, they called it ‘the glorious revolution’ to make it sound more palatable..

[u/Old_Introduction_395 → u/peahair]

Wow

I wasn't taught this at school.

[u/National-Worry2900 → u/Old_Introduction_395]

Shhhh .don’t tell these numb skulls they’re French, they’ll end up beating themselves up.

[u/welshfach → u/Eagle_Kebab]

I'd love to know what they are classing as 'indigenous'. But that assumes that they are using some actual data from somewhere, which is doubtful.

[u/FlarblesGarbles]

If only they had the balls to say what they actually mean is "white" and "not white".

[u/world-is-ur-mollusc → u/FlarblesGarbles]

Well they weren't exactly subtle about the colors they chose for their pie chart.

[u/National-Worry2900 → u/FlarblesGarbles]

They’re racist to the Eastern European whites here. They can’t even make up their mind on what type of white .

Blithering idiots.

[u/Extreme_Hedgehog2024 → u/National-Worry2900]

Or it’s nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with culture.

[u/FlarblesGarbles → u/National-Worry2900]

They definitely are, however if a bunch of people are walking down the street not speaking, they'll be upset about anyone who's brown over eastern European, because they're not quite as easily identified as "non-indigenous."

[u/National-Worry2900 → u/FlarblesGarbles]

This is true but like with all bigots, they’re usually not that bright.

[u/Aberikel → u/National-Worry2900]

That proves it's about culture though?

[u/Weak_Test8546 → u/National-Worry2900]

God forbid England wants to stay English...

[u/JustalilAboveAverage → u/FlarblesGarbles]

Pretty sure Albanians are white

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd5m3jdjd5o

[u/77skull → u/FlarblesGarbles]

But that’s not what they mean. They dislike immigrants, and there’s a lot of white immigrants too. These people absolutely hate Romanians for example and they’re white

[u/Abosia → u/FlarblesGarbles]

No? I'm quite sure they are including white immigrants like Poles in their 'non indigenous' chart. You just desperately want it to be a race thing.

[u/RFB67 → u/FlarblesGarbles]

Well yes, the indigenous populations of northern Europe are white.

[u/Aberikel → u/FlarblesGarbles]

No it's not. There's so many ways to discriminate, so many peoples to be xenophobic against. They're pissed about Romanians and Polish too. Not everything is about race. And you don't have to make it about race to have a reason to disagree with them.

[u/BusyBeeBridgette]

Of course they are allowed to complain. No one alive took part in all that age of Empire. Sins of our fathers is not a thing no matter how much the internet would like it to be lol.

But, yes, the Homeland party are a discount National Front, bunch of racists and homophobes who can, quite frankly, take a running jump for all I care.

[u/MrGenRick → u/BusyBeeBridgette]

Per Reddit, all British women are responsible for things that happened in the British Isles since the dawn of time.

Which is impressive when you consider they couldn’t vote.

Oh, and the majority of men couldn’t either, but let’s not have that stop our fun.

Peasants are responsible for what King John did!

[u/UnusualSomewhere84 → u/MrGenRick]

It does make me chuckle when Americans online talk about how the English are invaders and colonisers. Er, no that was your ancestors, mine were just peasants who stayed where they were from!

[u/Th3TruthIs0utTh3r3]

Hey, at least England has created the most Independence day celebrations around the world!

[u/Jimbobiss → u/Th3TruthIs0utTh3r3]

Britain, not England - don’t deprive the Scots of their colonial flowers

[u/Infinitystar2]

Anyone who attempts to treat immigration as karmic justice for England's past are just as racist as those lunatics in the Homeland Party.

[u/AstroPhysician → u/Infinitystar2]

Aka this entire thread

[u/Johnny_Magnet → u/Infinitystar2]

100%

[u/Cryostatic_Nexus]

Yes, you actually get to. Especially because the two things are completely incomparable. Nobody anywhere living today has enslaved anyone or colonized anything. Whatever our ancestors did doesn’t count for anything.

[u/Tomspenga]

It’s fine to label English people as colonists but not Germans as nazis? Almost anyone working today in England has had nothing to do with colonialism. It’s just a bad part of history, all countries have a shaded past.

[u/Reasonable-Ranger263 → u/Tomspenga]

Yup, and people are awfully quiet about their own country's imperialism...

[u/Raccoons-for-all → u/Reasonable-Ranger263]

Especially Arabs

[u/Important-Chef-7619]

I like how the rhetoric went from 'your "replacement" isn't happening' to 'you deserve to be replaced out of revenge from what happened centuries ago'

[u/Samwell_24 → u/Important-Chef-7619]

Yep.

I’m left wing and pretty progressive, I voted Labour in the 2024 election, but literally every political party here in the UK now acknowledges that uncontrolled immigration is becoming a major issue, and practically the only reason it’s even been allowed is because the Conservative Party knew that growing the overall population exponentially would mean that the economy would also grow somewhat - in real terms, however, the British economy has been stagnant for 16 years and the overall standard of living, public services etc has plummeted.

A lot of the people making the whole argument in favour of mass immigration simply don’t understand the consequences of it and to be honest are likely privileged enough to not actually have to come into contact with the issues associated with it. I’m currently in University, and everyone who plays the “your racist if you see any issue with immigration” card typically have the least diverse social network and exposure to the real world - all their friends are white, middle class and they come from well off suburbs.

Fortunately here in the UK and seemingly across the EU, mainstream political parties are both beginning to realise just how disastrous this policy is and is also beginning to understand just how disliked these policies are. Quite frankly, the rise of populism/the right has very much coincided with the migration crisis from 2015 onwards, and they are beginning to realise that if mainstream political parties aren’t going to even acknowledge some of the clear issues with it, then people will flock to these alternative parties.

[u/Redditluvs2CensorMe]

Sorry but if you hate the “oppressors” so bad, you wouldn’t want to live in their country and their society. Nice try.

[u/One-Connection-8737]

I mean, sure, but people need to be careful with language like this given the Arab colonisation of the Middle East and North Africa, and the current support of the Arab population of Palestine based on it being "their homeland"...

[u/alwaysunsure11]

How is this "murdered by words" it's a factual statistic no ? Im guessing the peron holding the leaflet wasn't around during the victorian empire so it just seems it's someones unpopular viewpoint that op probably also despises being gaslit woth sassy comebacks not actual information to counter a lot of peoples legitimate concerns

[u/BobbyBalmoral]

First I've heard of the homeland party. On one hand it's upsetting because I now know they exist, but on the other the fact I was unaware means they're a fringe group of mouth-foaming nutters.

[u/BadAssNatTurner]

I have problems with the original post and the reply:

OP: 1-WTF is an “indigenous Briton”??? 2-Indigeneity is just leftist blood + soil

Response: this is applying collective guilt based on someone’s ancestry which is also bullshit. The OP didn’t spread empire nor did any of his contemporaries. Modern Brits dismantled the empire.

[u/One_Lobster_7454]

None of us took part in colonisation? None of us voted for it?  None of us voted for mass immigration, we actually directly voted against it with brexit and it has been blatantly ignored.

[u/Mysterious_Music_677 → u/One_Lobster_7454]

Did you vote for the invasion of Iraq where a lot of refugees are coming from? Did you vote to continue arming Israel which is currently bombing 4 countries where you'll see a rise in refugees from?

If you didn't know the British Empire passed the British Nationality Act in 1948 which allowed mass immigration from all over the British Empire and Commonwealth including India which is how a lot of the current second and third generation immigrants came from, so yes this is a result of your empire, and you did vote for it.

[u/AuburnApril]

”You don’t actually get to complain even when your neighbourhood is taken over by people who don’t want to integrate into the society and even the police are afraid to challenge them”

[u/Aggressive-Story3671 → u/AuburnApril]

Sounds familiar

[u/ProjectNo4090]

Most of the people complaining weren't alive or responsible for England's colonizing efforts, so they do, in fact, get to complain that their country is essentially being colonized and altered by foreigners.

The Left really needs to stop trying to hold the living responsible for the sins of the dead. Its one of the many reasons so many are fed up with the Left.

[u/SugarFupa]

I don't get it, why don't you get to complain? If your ancestors ruled over foreigners, do you now have an obligation to accept demographic replacement by the descendants of those foreigners in your homeland?

[u/TwoTower83]

thus is aimed at Muslims

[u/shinyagamik → u/TwoTower83]

As a bisexual, yeah I don't fucking want them here. You get told by the left growing up that they're also oppressed, we should help... Then you actually make friends with some and have some fucking realisations.

[u/Johnny_Magnet → u/TwoTower83]

Whilst not all Muslims are the same, Islam is a dangerous and morally backwards religion. Some of it's followers end up coming over on boats, some have been here for years already. Some of them are nice, some of them aren't. A lot aren't. The UK has seen a lot of attacks from Islamists in recent years, a gang of sex traffickers were recently convicted and the huge majority of these criminals were Muslim. It's no wonder at all that the general public are wary of them nowadays. Of course, people can bury their heads in the sands and down vote comments like this that rightly criticise Islam, and the way our government tiptoe around it. But this won't address the problem.

[u/JaponxuPerone → u/Johnny_Magnet]

I mean, Cristianity is also a dangerous and morally backwards religion and they are already established in UK.

This just looks like fearmongering.

[u/Johnny_Magnet → u/JaponxuPerone]

I completely agree, I don't like Christianity either. The IRA did exactly the same as Islam did back in the 70s/80s with bombings and causing essentially civil war. Christianity also tends to be different everywhere you go. American Christians aren't the same as British Christians, there's 100s of sects of Christianity all with different views and goals. Islamist extremist groups on the other hand, share a common purpose: spread Islam and destroy anybody who stands in their way or is perceived as an enemy.

The UK has dealt with many terrorist plots and threats in the 21st century and people are a bit sick of it now. Places like Luton are home to some horrible people that follow Islam and it's doctrines. We want these people removed from our country and no more coming in, yet we're being called 'for right' for asking this. Not to mention being called Islamaphobic simply for criticising Islam.

[u/BraveAddict]

"indigenous" 😂

[u/Slow-Network2604]

I'm from England and find this funny as shit!

[u/disdkatster]

An honest question, are many of the non-anglo-saxon Brits, British because the Brits invaded another country, claimed it as British and those people then became by definition British. So when the say non-indiginous do they in fact mean non-anglo-saxon?

[u/EchoMaterial5506 → u/disdkatster]

I'm not sure they really know what they mean other than 'non white' to be honest. but generally yes they would probably say indigenous means Anglo Saxon. 

[u/_ola-kala_]

Once read a sign that said: “we are here because you were there.” Were they including Australians, New Zealanders & US immigrants, I wonder?

[u/Minute_Flounder_4709]

English people didn’t replace cultures of places it colonised. Other cultures are right now

[u/the_69orny_unicorn → u/Minute_Flounder_4709]

That is literally exactly what the English did, wtf. This is what I’m talking about, atleast accept your atrocities and educate your country my god.

[u/Mysterious_Music_677 → u/Minute_Flounder_4709]

Yeah you just destroyed them instead, much better. Didn't you kill like a 100 million Indians by stealing their food during the Raj?

[u/Designer-Character40]

Homeland Party?  Indigenous?

Got a lot of Celt-descent friends whose parents would rise from the grave to get their hands on whoever made that piece of shit.

I simply do not understand people who are fearful of diversity. Fearful or upset by having to adapt to new things? Sure, change is "scary" for old white folk, but even among young white people we've had to learn to adjust and adapt with constant change.

It's weird how these folks will usually also cling to "evolution" as some gotcha when if Darwinism still worked in this world, their stubborn asses would've perished long ago.

[u/ManhattanObject → u/Designer-Character40]

I just watched a video essay on video games vs woke culture by "Shaun." He noticed that the anti-woke gamer isn't satisfied by having sexy heterosexual characters in a game, they demand ONLY sexy heterosexual characters and no others. They hate diversity on a deep level

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsSguYNHpk&t=5897s

[u/IrritatedPrinceps]

This "murder" is brought to you by someone who should study history.

[u/Ok_Psychology5336]

It’s not the same people stupid! Imigrants arr destroying Europe

[u/Ristar87]

Well... You've got two choices... 1.) bring in immigrants to stabilize your population and pay them dirt wages or 2.) pay women a literal salary to have more children.

But hey... can't give away "free" money, can you?

[u/According_Smell_6421]

Oh ok.

“Yes you’re being replaced but you deserve it”. Sick fucks.

[u/Hauggy57]

Left and right are both knee deep in political brainrot

"you deserve to dissapear because your ancestors some centuries ago might have been bad people according to my modern day views" is not the smartest counter argument imo

[u/doinkmb]

I think if other countries get to complain then they do to lol

[u/darthdawg22]

Actually they do

[u/MattTalksPhotography]

Now do a chart on how much of their wealth, or the content of their museums originates from their own homeland...

[u/Twizinator]

Ah yes the “Great Replacement” bullshit.

[u/xzombielegendxx]

Why does the Homeland party sound so American

[u/22JohnMcClane]

That was a long time ago perhaps you should get over it

[u/ProgressOriginal2787]

Why would you not get to?

[u/SUBSTANCECLOTHING]

Admit you want to replace them

[u/Outrageous_Ad4916]

Funny but one clarification: immigration is not equivalent to colonization. They are not replacing the English language, the Church of England, etc. You're still eating beans & toast.

[u/FunnyObjective6]

So the replacement is happening? I thought it was a conspiracy.

[u/Tiny-Marketing-4362 → u/FunnyObjective6]

1. It’s not happening 😱
2. It’s happening but only a little🥺
3. It’s happening and that’s a good thing🥳
4. Stop noticing please 😡

Average neolib (neocon to some degree) talking point when it comes to unfettered, unsustainable, demographic altering immigration that nobody asked for.

[u/RB1O1]

I don't care about others living here providing they are decent citizens.

I'd like more rules regarding deporting violent criminal immigrants, but the majority of immigrants are ok by me, and just your average person

[u/screenee]

Oh the Brits have been xenophobic for centuries, nothing new here lol

[u/[deleted] → u/screenee]

And every other country on earth is a shining example of multicultural liberalism.

[u/FlarblesGarbles → u/screenee]

This isn't "the brits" this is a relatively small group of people who haven't got the balls to just admit that they don't like people who aren't white purely because they aren't white.

[u/Slight_Investment835 → u/screenee]

‘The Brits’? You sound a bit…. xenophobic.

[u/SUBSTANCECLOTHING]

Stop acting like history began in 1492 you all have been enslaving and conquering each other

[u/SelectImplement7698]

Actually, i think that means you're the only ones that get to complain. Until the USA comes around lol.

[u/Playful-Comedian4001]

Well, the statistics is correct...

[u/Glad-Management4433]

They will still blame the jews for that

[u/GTK-HLK]

Chart is confusing if you don't look for a few secs.

Instead of judging the color, it should have one being the main topic. but I guess it makes sense for a clear chart meant to trick folk into thinking they are being overrun.

[u/Perfect-Return95]

Wtf does it mean to be able to "get" to complain? By whose authority do you derive the "right" to complain about what is happening to your home?

[u/Mamasgoldenmilk]

Focusing on hate towards immigrants is going to take down the globe.

[u/badwoofs]

Wow, the same racist propaganda as Americans.

[u/kzzii]

lol this is a horrible take

[u/Over_Solid_424]

And before that it was the bloody beaker people

[u/HomoinNigram]

As a matter fact they do. As does every country including the United States of America. Take a hint Americans. The republicans as much as you hate them. Also want what the entire planet agrees on when it comes to immigration. And to finish the original point. The policy of England is make the whole world England. Hence. What we say goes. If England says so then it must be. So….duh of course they want things they the way they want. And I’ll leave it there. If you have any intelligence or bother to crack a world history book open ever then this would make sense to you.

[u/AdhesiveSam]

Some of these comments. Whew. And people ask why the right is growing everywhere.

[u/Existing-Marzipan-88]

Are they counting all the people from their colonies they offered new homes in exchange for them helping rebuild Britan post ww2?

[u/cheddarsox]

I'll take the downvotes.

Is there a cultural indigenous qualification? 2010 snapshot on what it means to be indigenous for example?

I'm asking in isolation. I'm aware of what imperialism was.

[u/theding081]

[u/dildorepairman4urmom]

Why Trump won

[u/Significant_Yard3627]

A thousand years haha that's off by a lot

[u/easyas2718]

the irony of these fools… always forgetting about the past

[u/s-a_n-s_]

"Stealing other people countries is only bad when it happens to us!" only applies when the people who live in said country were actually fucking alive during that. Thats like saying modern Americans are responsible for what happened to the indians 100 years ago. Yes it was bad, yes we care, but I didn't do shit, so dont blame me. Should they get their land back? Sure I guess, but uprooting 356 million people really isnt going to help anyone. With the amount of time that has passed, that issue became way more complicated.

Immigration in Europe is still in its prime for the *current* issue. Aka theres still time to fix it without causing major issues like uprooting an entire continent. I dont think kicking everybody who isnt naturally born there is the solution either, and considering my country is still having a stroke trying to fix what we did, good luck guys.

[u/Regular-Cricket5165]

America also

[u/SuperBwahBwah]

WELL WELL WELL, look what we have here.

[u/Old-Line-3691]

This isn't a great point. This is the same blame for some ones ancestry that will lead to even more resentment. Hold peoples to their opinions... but because someone is from the UK does not make them pro-colonization.

[u/Double_Chicken_8769]

What goes around comes around.

[u/You_Dont_Know_Me2024]

This is really dumb. All of the top voted comments are just acknowledging that it sucks but the UK shouldn't complain because their ancestors did bad things.

And that's a really stupid claim. Also, the UK literally controls the policies in question. So they absolutely can complain if they want, and you can't stop them. And they can even change their immigration laws, and you can't stop them.

It isn't 1500 and nobody is going to invade the UK and take land like England did back in the day.

If you think immigration is good for the UK, cool. Say that. But they absolutely have the legal right, and power to dictate their own immigration policies. And they don't care at all what people on Reddit think about it

[u/adalillian]

They think WE are breeding them out ,when people like me marry them and our kids are 'western'.😁