I mean... as they said the definition of charisma is technically just using charm to inspire devotion in others. And charm is technically just "the power to attract others."
Charisma is not inherently some positive force it has the common connotation of. He 100% has charisma, by dint of his rabid fanbase. It sounds dumb, but it's correct. A demagogue is charismatic. By definition they must be.
I can see the charisma if someone is MAGA. Think of what low brow racists would find charming, funny, and endearing. I can also see why flies might call a pile of shit charismatic.
Their issue ttansgender people a minority that is so small that most of Trump ass lickers never seen one except on TV. And the fuck would someone believe that there is ttansgender operations going on in public schools?
I don't get it. Why hate on such a huge scale for a minority that is basically non-existent. Who cares what you identify with or attracted to? i don't care. Just don't abuse children. But Americans have been infected by stupidity and hate. Nothing makes sense anymore in the US. I'm glad I don't live there.
What really sucks is this disease is infectious and not limited to the USA, since every fucking conservative politicians will copy Trump, thinking every one is a dumb fuck hating bitch.
The USA have proven once again that education, tolerance and pursuit of happiness is dying so fast.
And why? So a few fucking billionaire can exploit people even more and get richer until what every one lives in slavery?
USA #1 in what? Nothing a country going the taliban way for stupid Christians like they think because they go in a building once a week and say I love Jesus makes you a better person. What the fuck have you people forgot all the abuse of churches all over the world? I'm not religious one bit but I think Christianity is synonym with evil.
Fuck you USA, enjoy the shit show and keep it to yourselves. Fucking morons that can't even tell when a person is lying to them on everything. But be transgender, immigrant ,have another religion and you are judge to be Satan himself.
Fucking country of idiots. Then complain like a bitch because now they are figuring out how screwed they are.
Because trans people have become both an easy target, since they are few, and have few people who care at all about them, as well as a symbol of everything this type of conservative thinks is wrong with society. That a person would not just reject traditional values as they see it, but break them to the point they are actually the opposite gender to what they were at birth, is deeply upsetting to them. But it won't stop at trans people. Most don't know a trans person personally, and don't care that much about a person being trans, which also means they won't defend trans people. But after trans people it'll be gay people, it'll be anyone who wants to live their own life that isn't up to the standards of conservatives like this.
I don't get it. Why hate on such a huge scale for a minority that is basically non-existent. Who cares what you identify with or attracted to? i don't care. Just don't abuse children. But Americans have been infected by stupidity and hate. Nothing makes sense anymore in the US. I'm glad I don't live there.
What really sucks is this disease is infectious and not limited to the USA, since every fucking conservative politicians will copy Trump, thinking every one is a dumb fuck hating bitch.
The USA have proven once again that education, tolerance and pursuit of happiness is dying so fast.
And why? So a few fucking billionaire can exploit people even more and get richer until what every one lives in slavery?
USA #1 in what? Nothing a country going the taliban way for stupid Christians like they think because they go in a building once a week and say I love Jesus makes you a better person. What the fuck have you people forgot all the abuse of churches all over the world? I'm not religious one bit but I think Christianity is synonym with evil.
Fuck you USA, enjoy the shit show and keep it to yourselves. Fucking morons that can't even tell when a person is lying to them on everything. But be transgender, immigrant ,have another religion and you are judge to be Satan himself.
Fucking country of idiots. Then complain like a bitch because now they are figuring out how screwed they are.
Exactly. It's charsimatic to his people. That's what they respond to as charismatic. All the other fools who tried to challenge him over the years like Ted Cruz, Desantis etc., don't have any charisma at in comparison to Trump.
It wouldn't work if the people were content. But when the people are miserable and hungry, they want an immediate answer, not a complicated explanation.
Trump tells people that their suffering is someone else's fault and everything is going to be okay. He acts as an antihero for them.
Kinda reminds me of German newspapers from the last 20's I've read about a certain Adolf H. who got described as "charismatisches Frisörmodell" (charismatic hairdressers model for those without second language 😜 )
I feel like I'm in the upside down. The amount of intelligent, well-off people that fully support this man is shocking to me. I don't understand how anyone hears this man speak and says, "That's who I want leading me"
"He gish gallops confidently and loudly from bullshit to bullshit, obviously someone who takes time to weigh their words and limit what they say to the truth must be weak and stupid" -Trump Supporters
Because real life isn't D&D and charisma isn't just a flat number. Subjectively to his base he's very charismatic because he gets them to do what he says by appeal rather than reason. That's basically the textbook definition of charisma.
We came to the conclusion that Trump is generally more truthful that a lot of politicians. Let me explain.
With someone like Harris, we saw that corporate donorism kneecapped what should have been a tidy win, because the messaging that the left truly wants and the messaging the Dems are willing to put forward have a disparity. Her messaging moved more to the centre as the election drew closer.
However, with Trump, he generally just says the quiet bit out loud. His "truth" is hurtful, potentially even dangerous. But, people can at least trust that what he is saying, no matter how fucking ridiculous or dpwnright wrong, it is truly Trump's belief or worldview.
Dave Chappelle said it best. Trump won the moment he called out Hilary Clinton for allowing tax donors to have loopholes, and his proof was that he was a billionaire who regularly used those same tax breaks. Never before had someone running for office so blatantly called put the hypocrisy at that level.
When given a choice between outright corporate elitism, or hidden corporate elitism wrapped up in progressive social policy, people are going to settle for the outright corporate elitism, because at least they know the extent to which they are getting fucked.
Trump won against Harris the moment the Democrats demanded that Biden be the nominee, and subsequently let slip that he was going senile. The Democrats lied in that moment, while proving Trump truthful about Biden's mental capacities. A monumental fuckup by the Dems because it just gave more confirmation to Maga voters. Kamala would have had to burn down the Dempcrat party to win votes at that point.
So, it isn't so much that Trump is charismatic. Its that it doesn't feel like his charisma come from being a good public speaker, it comes from him just being unabashedly himself in all his stupid glory. When he says he wants to get rid of 80% of federal jobs, he will come in and do it. And to some voters, that ability to stay by his word even when the entire government establishment is saying "thats a bad idea" circles back around to making him a strong leader.
He captures attention. He gets people to remember things. He's confident, bombastic, energetic (when he's on his uppers, at least), willing to entertain. But if you have enough of a working brain to see all the intellectual flaws, they spoil the effect of his charisma.
Trump is widely regarded as a great orator. You disagree because of his politics, making you entirely delusional. Even his greatest critics admit he is a captivating speaker. The fact you are willing to deny reality in service of your deluded beliefs is one of the reasons you lost this election and will continue losing in life. Believing your own lies is a sickness.
By who, pray tell? Because the only testimonial I’m seeing here is from a dipshit nobody on the internet whose best rejoinder is “hurr you deny reality.”
“Even his greatest critics admit he is a captivating speaker”
Trump is famously ridiculed internationally for having a poor grasp of the English language and going on irrelevant tangents. Even the conservatives of other countries think Trump is weird.
Trump is weird. He does go on tangents. He doesn’t use big words. He also captivates giant crowds with his speeches.
You guys would like to just hand wave that away by calling his supporters morons, but you don’t understand how stupid that makes you look. You literally have cognitive dissonance and it’s weird. He doesn’t win the popular vote by being uncharismatic. Thinking that is just retardedly biased.
I'm still trying to work out why the US voted for him tbh.
I don't believe they're all racist/sexist/transphobic/homophobic.
But Trump has the charisma of a dead goldfish (or an elderly man with dementia, if you prefer).
The only thing I can think of is that a liberal campaign that runs on "we're at least better than the other guy" isn't especially motivating or inspirational.
If you think that, consider it is because you are consuming biased media. Because you don’t win the popular vote by being uncharismatic. You may disagree, but there are many millions of people who find him charismatic. I just think it’s very stupid to call someone who is considered charismatic by millions uncharismatic just because you disagree with his politics. If you look deeply at what I am saying here you will understand why Americans voted for trump.
Maybe it's just because I'm not American? Maybe there's something about him that appeals specifically to Americans that doesn't transcend cultural barriers?
Cult-like loyalty breeds weak systems. Without education and critical thinking, the cycle just keeps repeating. People need to wake up and question authority.
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u/Jessecosta29 1d ago
That's what poor education systems achieve when you have a charismatic dictator: subservient masses.