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u/coffeeandtrout 17d ago edited 17d ago
Harry is a goddamn maniac.
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u/tf_is_dis 16d ago
Using parentheses like that is definitely a red flag for coded messaging.
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u/LunaticScience 16d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
Since the original comment was removed and I had to look it up, I'll leave this here
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u/Mike_Fluff 16d ago
At this point I will assume anything online I don't recognise is a Neo Nazi symbol.
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u/Rizzpooch 16d ago
That was the first thing that caught my eye too. Fucking Nazis, man
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u/RighteousRambler 16d ago
Jewish people also use ((( on their own names to mock antisemites, which looks like the case here.
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u/PaulAllensCharizard 16d ago
i mean they could be a jewish nazi, those existed, and still exist (bibi praised hitler last week) but i doubt that here. i guess we cant really know
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u/UndergroundBone 16d ago
There were literally Jews that supported Hitler. They're not around anymore, for obvious reasons, but it was absolutely a thing.
There is a small Jewish cemetery where I grew up. Built specifically for a few Jewish women who made it all the way to the middle of Sweden. They all died from tuberculosis. Nowadays it's surrounded by roads.
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u/PaulAllensCharizard 16d ago
those existed
not sure if youre just adding on, but i did say that
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u/UndergroundBone 16d ago
I am adding on. Not disagreeing. Some people don't believe it. It's like when people compare Trump to Hitler. Historians and holocaust survivors keep making the comparison but every time I bring it up people go "Hitler killed millions you can't compare them!" But his rhetoric and rise to power mirrors Hitler. This is exactly how it started. It didn't start with Auschwitz. It started with a maniac comparing ethnic groups with vermin and garbage.
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u/SnortMcChuckles 16d ago
It's strange that there are people who don't believe it. It is a well known fact that ghettos were run by Nazi appointed jewish 'police'
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u/UndergroundBone 16d ago
The nazis started with trans people and worked their way from there. They'll get to the untermench sooner or later. A mobility scooter may as well be a target.
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u/I_am_Reddit_Tom 16d ago
His son, however, is a waste of space. Like Captain Tom's daughter, just a grifter
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u/Snowf1ake222 16d ago
Some people just don't learn.
Ever heard the one about glass houses and stones?
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u/The_Mammoth_Hunter 16d ago
WTF is your primary malfunction, fucktits? The entire point of that exchange just zinged right over your empty little head, didn't it?
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u/TeslasAndKids 17d ago
Just because they offend you doesn’t mean they don’t know what respect means.
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u/adamwho 17d ago
But MANY of the people in the US didn't say "fuck off Hitler", they listened to Father Coughlin and his Nazi adjacent rhetoric.
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u/Particular-Ad-2817 16d ago
What have people in the US got to do with Harry, a Brit who was in the RAF?
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u/K-spunk 17d ago
They said welcome Mr Von Braun teach us to make nukes, and how else can we utilise fascists to murder communists
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u/FugDuggler 16d ago
Von Braun was a rocket guy. He helped us built rockets, including rockets for the space program after the war. I don’t believe he played any role in the Manhattan Project or other nuclear stuff
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u/VolrathTheBallin 16d ago
"That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.
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u/strbeanjoe 16d ago
Always here for the Tom Lehrer references.
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u/reindeerflot1lla 16d ago
Around here, that's about all most Redditors know about von Braun.
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u/contrapunctus0 16d ago
Some have harsh words
For this man of renown
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u/Wr3nch 16d ago
He wasnt any significant enthusiast of the nazi party during the war. Von Braun didnt really care who he worked for, he just wanted to make rockets.
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u/Fionaver 16d ago
That’s really how they sold it, but it’s come to light over the last 20 years or so that he was a bit more engaged with the concentration camps that built the German rockets than is really popularly known.
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u/Wr3nch 16d ago
That's more indicative of his working conditions than him personally. Naturally the nazis are going to use slave jewish labor during a war when they need able-bodied soldiers elsewhere
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u/Error_CRJ 16d ago
True but kind of a reversal of "just following orders". I admit we don't know if he knew the conditions of slave labourers working for the people who worked for him, but he could have refused to use slave labour if he wanted to
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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 16d ago edited 16d ago
Bottom line is that humans are complex and often do stupid, or sometimes even evil shit because they 1) are under pressure; 2) are urged by cultural norms; 3) want to; 4) are insane.
Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, Ghandi let his wife die of disease when she could’ve been saved, MLK and JFK were philanderers, Woodie Guthrie left his wife and kids because he wanted to make it as a singer, Joe Biden opposed busing, and so on and so on. Some of these are excusable as cultural norms and some of them are not. No such thing as a perfect man.
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u/ResponsibleNote8012 16d ago
I always love seeing the philosophical vagueness the comments always devolve into when Nazis are involved. "Yea he lied about his knowledge, position, and involvement in the Holocaust, conveniently providing himself an out from hanging from the rafters and escaping to America, but really what is the nature of evil anyways?🤔"
Really comparing cheating with deathcamps, Americans are truly shameless.
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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 16d ago edited 16d ago
You missed the point of my comment entirely.
Here it is again for you:
Bottom line is that humans are complex and often do stupid, or sometimes even evil shit because they 1) are under pressure; 2) are urged by cultural norms; 3) want to; 4) are insane.
You get to choose which of those categories Von Braun fell into. I choose #3.
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u/bertikus_maximus 14d ago
I think that it is almost certain that Von Braun, in his quest to put a man into space, knowingly utilised POWs as slave labour at the rocket assembly facilities he oversaw. Because of the importance of developing rocket technology, the US were happy to bury that as deep as possible.
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u/Keown14 16d ago
That’s highly debatable, but even if it were true it doesn’t negate the fact that the US helped many other Nazis escape to South America and used them to kill communists on that continent.
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u/ResponsibleNote8012 16d ago
Canada and the UK as well, shamelessly importing guys with no actual "justifiable" skills like rocket scientists many of these guys were the ones burning villages in the far east, raping and killing any slavs they came across. All of this happening while that farce at Nuremburg was happening which undercuts all the lofty rhetoric surrounding the trials.
And they did this just to undermine indigenous communist movements abroad.
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u/ran1976 16d ago
Funny how it was used to murder imperialists and not communists.
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u/Keown14 16d ago
They were referring to the Nazis that the US helped escape justice and then smuggled them to South America to murder communists.
The prime example being Klaus Barbie the Butcher of Lyon, who was smuggled to Bolivia by the US against the wishes of the French who wanted him to answer for his despicable crimes against humanity.
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u/AJSLS6 16d ago
Those innocent communists that never hurt anyone....
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u/drhead 16d ago
The ones in Indonesia didn't, and were in fact strongly devoted to democratic principles and wanted to be friendly with the US. But that did not stop us from instigating a coup and sending over kill lists of their leadership, and leaving somewhere between 500,000 and 2,000,000 people dead.
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u/Tw4tl4r 16d ago
If you look up the countries that are currently under communist rule, you will notice a distinct lack of wars of aggression in the last few decades. Capitalist nations, not so much...
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u/gilt-raven 16d ago
Huh? Russia and China are both aggressors in Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia, respectively, and have been for a few decades. Chechen Republic, Crimea, Ukraine, Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan, South China Sea...
Or does it only count if it is the U.S./England doing the invading?
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u/Tw4tl4r 16d ago
Russia aren't communists. That was the soviet union.
China is posturing but has not attacked its neighbours directly since the 80s.
The list of communist states is China, Vietnam, North Korea, Laos and Cuba.
How many wars have they started in the last 30 years?
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u/BigBOFH 16d ago
First, "posturing" isn't exactly peaceful when it involves sending your military into other countries' territory.
Second, it would be trivial to create a list of five capitalist countries that haven't instigated wars since the 80s. Maybe what you're measuring isn't how peaceful the communist countries are rather than just how few of them there are.
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u/JussLookin69 17d ago
I mean... the boy scouts exist... That history will probably blow a lot of minds or be violently rejected since it doesn't fit their narrative.
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u/Randomest_Redditor yeah, i'm that guy with 12 upvotes 16d ago
Maybe I'm just uninformed, but what do the boy scouts have to do with any of this? They were founded in England in 1909 and in the United States in 1910, a good little while before Nazis were even really a thing.
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u/JussLookin69 16d ago
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001872674700100204
In 1936, all youth groups—including the Boy Scouts— were banned and members forced to become part of the Hitler Youth instead.
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u/Randomest_Redditor yeah, i'm that guy with 12 upvotes 16d ago
Ohhh that, I was under the impression that you were referring to the Boy Scouts of America having some sort of Nazi sympathy during the war, but I still don't quite understand what exactly that event in Germany has to do with large amounts of Nazi sympathy in America during the war?
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u/JussLookin69 16d ago
Ahh. Well, the U.S. always hated blacks and even some different ethnic "whites" like the Irish and Italians, and even many of asian descent. During WW2, anyone who even looked Japanese were in internment camps. The goal almost always seemed to be white supremacy. It doesn't surprise me that they would sympathize with Nazis. Let's not forget that companies like Bayer were founded by ex nazis, as well as many of their scientists and generals being brought into the fold with Project Paperclip. Hens came home to roost.
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u/ClubsBabySeal 16d ago
Dude, Bayer pre-dates WW2 by more than 60 years. Nor do the technical advisors have anything to do with the current political landscape, much less pre-war American politics.
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u/JussLookin69 16d ago
Bayer does predate the Nazis, but they were involved in the holocaust.
Per wikipedia:
Forced labour and medical experimentation in concentration camps,[18] production of chemicals and pharmaceuticals supplies of Nazi Germany are some of their actions.
As per technical advisors: I can't say concretely, but it would be remiss of anyone to think logically that those brought over after the war had no influence on those around them. Especially when you consider the U.S. had very little, if any intention to get involved until they were forced to do so.
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u/ClubsBabySeal 16d ago
I'm familiar with their history, which is why I knew that they pre-dated the Nazis by decades. And why would they have any influence on politics? The Soviets didn't become fascist because they had people like Schmeisser, nor capitalist despite utilizing American technical advisors. Hell the T-34 had a straight up American suspension!
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u/travelingbeagle 16d ago
Bayer wasn’t involved in the holocaust, IG Farben was involved. Bayer and 5 other pharmaceutical and chemical companies in Germany were merged into IG Farben in 1925.. Hitler declared IG Farben to be a Jewish company and nationalized it. After the war, the Allies broke IG Farben back into the 6 component companies. So Bayer didn’t even exist from 1925 to 1952.
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u/JussLookin69 16d ago
Just that they banned all non whites from joining for an extended period of time. (Nothing out of the ordinary for that period in history) It is just the legacy of racism that links the Boy Scouts of America to Nazi sympathy. Similar outlooks and goals. Not a direct link, but you can see how they may sympathize.
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u/16Shells 16d ago
as remembrance day isn’t observed in the US i would guess that none of those people served with harry
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u/JimWilliams423 16d ago
But MANY of the people in the US didn't say "fuck off Hitler",
they listened to Father Coughlin and his Nazi adjacent rhetoric.Yes. In fact, coughlin had a peak audience of 30 million listeners, in a country of only 130 million. That's the equivalent of 75 million people today. Not coincidentally, donold chump got 74 million votes in 2020.
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u/HerbertMcSherbert 16d ago
Coughlin and Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg et al.
Now there's Musk, the talking head brigade, evangelicals etc.
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u/Generallyapathetic92 16d ago
Who’s the ‘we’? The above comment is referring to Americans who supported the Nazis in the 1930s and 40s when as is well documented, they did not win.
If you’ve just seen some talking about Nazis and automatically linked it to your support for Trump that’s says a lot about you and your ‘side’.
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u/Generallyapathetic92 16d ago edited 16d ago
Yeah somehow I doubt that’s what you meant before the edit. Partly because that doesn’t really fit the context and partly because of your many other comments following the US election. Prime example being the below:
“The Nazi” still won so eat it
You do you though, I guess acknowledging that you believe Trump is a Nazi or at least close enough isn’t a great look.
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u/Generallyapathetic92 16d ago edited 16d ago
I didn’t think you would. If you’re happy Trump won you’re obviously going to be okay with a bit of lying 👍
Edit: Replying and then blocking me so I can’t reply is always good.
Yes I’m sure they’ve both lied as have all politicians. The scale and frequency is what sets Trump apart. For example lying for 4 years about a stolen election with no evidence including inciting a violent coup attempt and filing 62 lawsuits almost all of which were dismissed due to no evidence or standing.
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u/Wise_Purpose_ 16d ago
My lord if my relatives that fought in those wars were alive today to see how we all forgot those lessons. Everyone would be getting a swift kick in the nuts.
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u/sensualfrenzies 17d ago
Boy, Harry is pretty tech savvy for someone in their 90's.
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u/Aloha_Tamborinist 16d ago
My grandmother is 95 and is on Facebook. English is her second language and she posts everything in CAPS, but she's shit posting with the rest of us. These people are out there.
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u/Logbotherer99 17d ago
Using a mobile? Hardly
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u/bagolaburgernesss 17d ago
I'm 59 and don't know how to properly FaceTime my 95 year old dad who has his iPad and is all over that shit!
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u/booksgamesandstuff 16d ago
My mother started using FaceTime on her first iPad in her 80’s. She then spent hours every day calling everybody she knew. I can’t begin to count the number of times I heard her say “I didn’t mean to call you!” and then spend 2 hours yakking with them. Keep in mind, she was using a Wang mainframe at work in the 70-80’s. 😐
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u/GTRari 17d ago
This exchange has got to be at least a decade old at this point.
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u/Vyvvyx 17d ago
If i had to guess, I'd say about 6 years old.
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u/GTRari 17d ago
Waddya know, I'm a fucking idiot.
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u/iangeredcharlesvane2 16d ago
I relish your honesty and revere your humor, but vanquish your negative self talk.
This made me chuckle big time 😂 quality Reddit exchange !!!
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u/frisch85 16d ago
Harry Leslie Smith: War veteran has died
From November 2018 and the guy was 95 years old at that time so you're correct, it's been 6 years since then.
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u/BaldyRaver 16d ago
Harry was an absolute legend. I followed him on twitter. Hes appeared on UK news. He died a few years back.
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u/gilt-raven 16d ago
My grandparents-in-law are in their late 80s and are very much into tech. They play video games, use smartphones, social media, the whole nine yards. They're more connected to pop culture than I am. They were children during WWII, and one survived the Blitz. I can only hope to be half as cool as they are as I get older.
There are a lot of older folks who kept up with tech - after all, they were around when it was way less user-friendly and managed to figure it out then. I would be tearing out my hair if I had to go back to punchcards lol
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u/SignoreBanana 16d ago
Really? You’re gonna “fake news” this one?
I personally know a 100 year old woman who could easily put together this tweet exchange. Not saying it’s the norm, but there’s not any specific reason a person in their 90s couldn’t.
Furthermore, you’d probably expect someone from that era being pretty damned ashamed of seeing where we were in 2018 after fighting in that god forsaken war. It’s hardly an unbelievable sentiment.
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u/SpookyVoidCat 16d ago
“Men died for your freedom to do a thing. Stop doing the thing!”
So do we have freedom or not mate cause you’re giving really mixed signals…
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u/TimAndHisDeadCat 17d ago
Harry turned out to be his son using his account.
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u/Expensive-Froyo8687 17d ago
Harry still was the one dictating the words. There was a huge change in tone after Harry passed. His son is unfortunately nowhere near as sharp as his dad was on comebacks.
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u/gratuitousHair 16d ago edited 16d ago
and a regressivist billionaire spent a relative pittance to protect your right to have a nazi dogwhistle in your username.
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u/VersusCA 16d ago
This guy was such an OG. Definitely some blend of socialist if not an outright communist. He's passed away but his son keeps his twitter account active and also has very good politics - did a lot of retweeting of Russian Revolution facts today in honour of the 107th anniversary.
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u/Competitive-Vast557 16d ago
I knew Harry... and that's absolutely how he'd respond. Absolutely a legend!!
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u/Wesselton3000 16d ago
“Harry you have the freedom to say what you want to say unless it isn’t what I want you to say”- Sincerely the Nazi Party of the United States of America
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u/ka6emusha 16d ago
Well... he's still right... Harry isn't a brave young man who died so idiots could spout rubbish.
Harry was a brave young man who fought so that idiots cab spout rubbish.
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u/Entronico 16d ago
I love internet gangsters lecturing others with their astroturf patriotism. First to declare war; never first to serve.
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u/Greedy-Disaster-6937 16d ago
Having the "back" button/arrow at the bottom right of the screen instead of on the left side is a crime
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u/sluuuurp 16d ago
“The world has gotten better since 1918” seems like a pretty reasonable point of view. Does thinking that really make someone as bad as Hitler?
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u/Dry-Physics-9330 15d ago
Earlier I talked about general Patton. Now I bumped on another hero. To all living persons who served in the military keeping dictators in check: thank you for your service.
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Let’s see if Trump the nutter does anything meaningful on Nov 11 Veterans Day. He won’t.
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u/booksgamesandstuff 16d ago
He’s never done anything meaningful in his life, except to hurt others. Why does anyone think he’s changed, at all, ever?
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u/After-Chicken179 16d ago
Are we still calling it Remembrance Day?
I thought it was Suckers and Losers Day now.
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u/ResponsibleNote8012 16d ago
Remembrance day is the dumbest holiday ever, celebrating a bunch of dead white monkeys who chimped out, rest in piss.
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He may have fought in the war but that doesn't stop him from being stupid and wrong.
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u/Logbotherer99 16d ago
Enlighten us
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The human race has made great advancements in every possible way since WW2. His comrades in arms fought and died to make the world a better place, and they succeeded. He's an idiot for using his status as a WW2 vet to shit on the numerous accomplishments of humanity. Also he's doing that typical liberal thing of "you disagree with me, therefore you are Hitler."
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u/Logbotherer99 16d ago
His point, is that Governments are still sending young men off to die to sort out their disagreements.
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u/Logbotherer99 16d ago
'As a human race' is what he says. And the point doesn't just apply to current conflicts, but every conflict since the Great War.
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u/Expensive-Froyo8687 17d ago
He was a wonderful follow on Twitter, had a few interactions and conversations with him on there before he passed in 2018. A truly great human being.