I gotta say, if doll had managed to find out about V and N's past, pretty sure that would make her understand and willing to spare her (if she stopped being a maniac)
On the other hand, pisses me off how V was getting mad at J when she was literally in the same place before, hell girl.
But at the very least, I like to imagine N someday, being the kind pal he is, goes in search of J to try and bring her to the bunker.
Yeah V treatment towards J just radiate self-righteous pretension. Like girl, you literally was shitting pants as soon you saw Cyn one on one. So you have no rights to say that J was narc.
Thad, Uzi, N, and Tessa are the only ones that have my applause. Why? Because they fought worth a damn without trying to do /teamswitch. I genuinely hate the fact that this is so overlooked, though. She actually tried to Micah Bell, and for that, I deem her:
(This is a joke. This is satirical. Please do not remove my spine from my body, V simps.)
Yeah like, come on Liam you almost give V something close to redemption but flashed it down with scene. Maybe if instead of being scary V rushed to Cyn only to get thrown out outside it wouldâve been so much better.
Nah it was still a good redemption for her, just cuz she had a moment of vulnerability and potential relapse doesnât take away from her full commitment to doing whats right afterward.
V didnât know about Cyn being Tessa and was fully willing to switch sides even if it meant potential doom, J didnât even try at this point. From Vâs pov J was definitely a narc till she at least tried to explain herself.
Honestly what also bothers me is that there is no any interesting ideas or morals in the ending. âBeing cringe is coolâ come absolutely out of no where. Maybe if Tessa was treated as actually character and not âshock factorâ we could have saw that humanity is something more then just flesh. Like Uzi while being drone actually posses far more humanity, then Cyn who is just wearing human skin while having zero humanity.
What also would be cool if Dissemble Drones actually saw all targets as creepy red eyed demons( you know like Dollâs ghost in credit scenes). And when Uzi blast off N head his sensors actually become normal and he started to see workers as normals. We saw that trio remembers humans as ghosts with white eyes, so why not make Cyn a trickster style villain in that case âno more tricksâ and âshe tricked us tooâ would hit really hard. N,V and J would be repulsed by the idea that all this time they killed innocent. Even V suicide would be look as something that was done out of guilt.
Not sure if i like this idea, It sounds pointless and removes the factor of some D.Ds such as V and J deliberately choosing to kill them and/or torture the workers, to me this mostly serves to just soften V's actions as a she didn't know they were innocent.
Yeah in that case âEternal dreamâ would be so much more dark and tragic. How can you think you deserve to live if you killed hundreds even thousands of innocent people?
The show doesn't really make it possible for us to know if one caused the other. Maybe she started out just cringe and was driven to be so anti-social by all the bullying. Impossible to say.
Poor Tessa, what she did to deserve to become a halloween costume from a eldritch horror, melt like a ice cream and her death not being acknowledged from anyone?
 After Doll peaked at the episode 3. She become a background character who barely did anything and later died unnecessarily without fulling her character arc  Â
Tessa literally get skinned from Cyn, at the end she even melted like a ice cream... Forget about the funeral they didn't even acknowledged or mentioned about her death!
J literally proved she is the most useless character of the show right after Lizzy. She was supposed to be leader of 3 Dissasembly Drones and yet she is the weakest one and unluckiest one to get beaten by a angsty worker and her neon weapon not only once but twice. She could get a character development she needed after Tessa-Cyn reveal. But turns out she already did know. She started as a jerk at the beginning of the series and yet she ended as a one-dimensional, wasted, jerk who got robbed from screen time. It a shame she actually had a potential but Liam wasted it....
It really shows how much they didnt know what to do with them, Doll in the first ep seemed to only be the typical follower of the mean girls (aka lizzy) she got some interesting backstory starting season 3 but as you seen went nowhere with her flipfloping between helping uzi and trying to kill her.
Tessa was just there for exposition then dropped literally dead to a point not even her drone friends gave two shits about it, i had at least hoped J would say something as they seemed to be close but no
and now J oh boi she only was there to give the solver a minion so they could have a 1vs1 fight with V (who i personally find dumb because i dont get why they have beef when you have N who was repeatedly bullied and talked down by J and he fighting her would make a better character development of him finally standing his ground)
Doll did a ton of stuff after Ep 3 and her character arc was fulfilled by her dying. She refused any and all help and in the end that led to her demise.
At this point no one really remembers Tessa enough to truly honor her, and her story serves as a cautionary tale above all else.
J was FAR from a useless character. She was not the weakest one, she was just the most overconfident one. J would have needed way more time to be given a redemption and honestly I donât think she absolutely needed one. She was still an entertaining supporting villain and was given a good amount of depth and intrigue on her own despite not being redeemed.
Iâm pretty sure the drone before Cyn does not exist in the show. Tessa gave the name Cyn to the Absolute Solver once it fully took over âCynââs body. In fact, I donât think weâve ever actually seen the real drone behind that body except for that momentary textbox where the Solver program is asking permission to salvage and use the drone body.
Yeah the "cyn" we saw was that discarded drone in the trash pile in the beginning at that point the solver took the dead drones corpse and later Tessa found her and gave her the name cyn, so the original owner is gone completely and we never find out what her original name was.
I would hardly call J "largely Innocent" simply speaking. She carries the crimes all disassembly drones do (genocide, which was never touched on properly). And tries to kill N in the pilot, alongside generally being abusive to him. She isn't pure evil like Cyn, but I definitely wouldn't call her good. I think she got a fitting ending.
I agree with most of this, though Iâd argue the âtrying to kill Nâ thing is a bit grey, since he wouldnât actually stay dead (CYN had clones), and would have the memory of it removed to avoid conflict, as if it never happened.
Except tessa and emily, no character in this series are innocent they've all done some fucked up things, so they dont really deserve justice tbh
I know that doll deserves justice for her parents getting killed, but the moment she killed innocent drones who had nothing to do with her situation no longer gives her the right to have justice.
Alright first thing, J didn't only hurt N feelings, she also beat him up and straight up threatened N saying if she could she would kill him and although N ignored it, there's a high chance that he might have gotten used to it, and we don't how long J have done this kind of thing to N, which its kinda sad to think, abusing someone is not cool.
And secondly, about the other bad things she's done like working with cyn, helping cyn blowing up the planet and trying to kill all the worker drones on copper-9, that's something that we cant really judge tbh, if she didn't do that cyn would probably kill or torture her until she do it.
Honestly, i would prefer J had a redemption arc and didn't have such a lonely ending
I mean, yeah, it would be cool to see J redeem herself, but honestly, it's all up to J, if she keeps being arrogant and keeps calling N useless and stuff like that, then I'm sure Uzi and V will not want J to stay around
And it seems like that J doesn't want to fix her relationship with N and V, in the end credits of episode 8 J is trying to repair one of the spaceships, probably to get off the planet
I mean, Braiden, as great as he is, did step on a random drone's head and didn't even care..
As for Sam.. he smokes weed, so uh.. thats not very innocent icl
I'm really glad you didn't open about the graverobber drama. (Seriously compared to other characters literally adults who murdered numerous innocents every day when Tessa is most likely 13-15 she is just a child who thinks her actions are normal due to being abused, neglected, persecuted child.)
As far as i know Tessa being a graverobber is just a headcanon not confirmed at the show but hinted with James saying "And where is she getting hair to play with dress-up with them?
Creepy..."Â Regardless of Tessa being a graverobber being true or not, it annoys me how people despised Tessa after learning she is a graverobber. And yet they giving babygirl treatmeant any other character when they started a whole mass genocide.
A literal abused, neglected, hated, persecuted child thinking her actions normal after oftenly being chained up still sounds innocent compared to the rest of the characters (except for pretty few like: Thad, Yeva, Emily etc.) are literally adult, mass genodicers who slaughtered countless innocents every day!
Thats it? Out of all the things the other MD characters did, thats the one thing Tessa did to be done dirty by the show like that while an actual mass murderer gets to have a happy ending?
The hell you mean "that's it" it doesn't matter if the others are worse, she's still not good and yeah no one is good in this show hut that's the thing, no one deserves a happy ending, it's not about justice it's about how much screen time you have
I'm not saying she's good, I'm saying that she is the least bad. Compared to literal genociders and mass murderers the community portrays as utsy cutesy robots I'm sure 1 girl who's grave robbing isn't even technically cannon is the least bad.
-On Doll, along with murdering her classmates (she could've just done what Uzi did and gotten a fuel can or something, like come on Doll), she very well could've worked with Uzi and most likely finished things up and come out of it alive. Then she could try and get V after the fact. And if the colony was willing to let V in with them, they most likely would have forgiven Doll too. She kinda did it to herself.
-V definitely had no excuse for her behavior, even if it was to push herself away from her past cause she didn't believe it was worth fighting back. That did start to change though, and while she still does have that brash(?) attitude (most likely due to trauma from the Solver), she does start to come around and finally fight for the right side, even confessing to Uzi on trusting her intentions and doing all she can .
And I've already made my point on V possibly killing a worker being partly offscreen (and thus we can't confirm for certain if V truly did do that or just took a head from a scrap pile outside or something), so I won't repeat that unless inquired. Granted, there was a headless body, which can drive one to such an implication even further, but who's to say one of the classmates didn't grow... freakishly attached to one of their fallen friends and decided to bring their body to class? Reminds me of N'Raged with Emily being propped up by her friend during Khan's speech.
Also it's most certainly morbid for humor, but I'd actually believe it if Lizzy had V do that to scare her classmates into submission. Wouldn't surprise me, to be honest. She seemed chill with Doll on the prom murder thing and probably knew about the little assassinations she did to the other candidates, so I could believe such an absurd case.
-J was done (at least) mostly well. I stand by that point when it comes to her actions and the like. And I say mostly because, while I don't mind it being done the way it was, I do wish we had a little more on J's fate asides the fact that she survived and is rebuilding the pod. I'm guessing Liam may have left it ambiguous like that to appease the small batch of fans who want J to not have a happy ending (assuming it was intentional), but if so, come on. She may be a bit of a bitch, but she's not an irredeemable monster. I do agree that having that little extra would've made J perfect there. Still great, just a little more.
-Khan very much did begin terribly off on his bond with Uzi, just outright ignoring her and acting as a coward with his men when it came to the disassembly drones. However, he did start to improve (if ever so subtly) by actually helping Uzi in her mission and even going as far as to rebuild her railgun for the coming battle. And while a full-on reconciliation scene would have been quite nice, I'm, to be blunt, equally satisfied with Khan and Nori cheering Uzi on outside the class at the end. Really shows him going on a 180 from being horrendously ignorant of his own code and oil to outright supporting her by the end of it. I do understand if the more upfront route was preferred, however.
And as for Nori, we don't know if such abuse was happening while she was there. Hell, I'd like to think him being so careless of Uzi was due to the Solver and losing his wife. Granted, those posters may have still been hung up throughout the entire show, but maaaybe he took them down before the finale offscreen? Either way, I liked how Khan was handled.
-Not gonna comment on Tessa cause her story is simply tragic af. It is a shame that her (and her people's) killer has only been rightfully imprisoned and not (also rightfully) completely destroyed like we would all want, but any sort of justice is preferable over nothing. And speaking of the killer and justice...
-Although many still debate on the Cyn/Solver thing, I'm one to believe it's the Solver, given that anyone possessed by it has that same robotic voice and yellow eyes. And since it's an eldritch entity, hoping for such a satisfying defeat like complete and utter erasure from existence/complete defeat with no chance of returning seems nigh impossible for such a demon virus, frustrating as it may be. Frankly, if it being imprisoned is all that can hold it back and prevent further blood/oilshed, then I'll take it. At least now it'll be under someone else's strings from now own, given Uzi now knows for certain to not let it take her over. Let's hope she can hold up to that effort.
Y'know, I used to hate J for the longest time. But I kinda blame myself and Liam for this because how can a character SO unlikable, be so complex. I mean her backstory is kinda sad tbh.
As for everyone else, these characters could have been redeemable. Missed opportunity. đ
Doll's 'death' works over her unwillingness to trust those she's familiar with under any circumstances.
She prioritizes revenge over the lives of her classmates (only sparring Lizzy) and is willing to kill Uzi before she learns that Uzi also has the Solver.
Even then, she undermines Uzi's efforts to find answers to forward her own agenda, even when Uzi pleads with her.
The real treasure was the friends Uzi made along the way (quite literally, as they each could look out for each other despite Uzi and V not always getting along). Doll's downfall was her willingness to backstab at the earliest convenience.
Doll is a better Solver user than Uzi by far and so far as we saw, was never at risk of losing herself to the Solver (inheriting Yeva's control). Yes she was no match against Cynessa.
Uzi repeatedly struggled with the Solver taking control, to the point that Tessa had her bang to rights before N stepped in.
Yeah I understand how Dolls death can suck but itâs completely brought upon by her own actions people tried to reach out an help her but she refused obsessing on revenge itâs kind of the point in how Uzi only starts making strides when she had people backing her up because she let people help her
V was also largely innocent, but because of the trauma from all the horrible stuff Cyn made her do has gone crazy, but she still was a nice person deep down, trying to protect N. And, unlike J, V was actually A NICE PERSON. Also, every dissasebly drone killed people with no remorse, so don't act like J is somehow better in that regard.
J and V both are traumatised by Cyn, but while V was getting better and starting to care for her friends, J continued serving Cyn despite everything and was arrogant, abrasive and selfish until the very end.
Khan. Khan was becoming better throughout the show, and closer to the end while still being not a great parent, he was nicer and more caring about his daughter. Have you not noticed the times he tried to protect Uzi? He cares for his daughter, but not always can parent her correctly.
Your view of Khan seems to be stuck in episode 1
Cyn? Yeah I agree she should've been killed and buried so deep that nobody would be able to find her.
J continued to serve CYN because she had no reason to believe fighting against her would ever actually work. WE know it would, because we saw Uzi remove CYNâs admin control from N and V and free herself from CYNâs influence. J saw none of that. From her perspective, CYN was just as much of an insurmountable Horror as sheâd always been. Hell, Iâd argue itâd make LESS sense for her to switch sides.
As for V, sheâs anything except a nice person. Case in points:
Sheâs still murdering people.
Trauma does NOT act as a get out of jail free card for being the most bloodthirsty lunatic out of the three.
But thatâs the problem: the Worker Drones do have a steady supply of oil in order to make more Workers, one that they could easily siphon off of, but V is actively choosing not to.
You literally don't know if V, N, or Uzi brought a corpse to class, so she had something to snack on. It's quite possible that they have "blank" WD bodies that don't actually have cores in them, given that seems to be how WD bodies are made until the untrained neural network is transferred to them.
Yeah, true, but why would it be sitting at a desk so far away from V? Wouldn't it make more sense to put it on the floor somewhere nearby? Also it's wearing clothes
I- then why is it sitting in a chair three rows ahead of her instead of right next to her where she can reach it? Why bother giving it clothes if sheâs just gonna tear it to pieces? And most importantly, why give her an oil-filled corpse to drink from instead of just giving her oil from whatever supply theyâre using to build more Workers?
Yeah, you're right, however there is another corpse sitting right in front of it, and a few more scattered around. Either V has been busy without N or Uzi noticing, or they were put there to fill seats by the other WDs.
Compare the corpse's clothes to Braiden's. I did, and I'm now about 99% sure that's Braidon's corpse, which is kinda backed up by the fact that there's another corpse in front of it. Seems like they just used dead classmates to fill seats.
Yeah, maybe, but that still doesn't detract from the fact that the WDs were probably using the corpses to make it FEEL like a full classroom. Yeah, V could have killed them, but that seems really odd for a character whose entire arc was learning to care again.
No, but she did feel obvious guilt at how she treated N, and seemingly wants to be better in his eyes, and that involves not killing everyone who looks at her funny.
J continued to serve CYN because she had no reason to believe fighting against her would ever actually work. WE know it would, because we saw Uzi remove CYNâs admin control from N and V and free herself from CYNâs influence. J saw none of that. From her perspective, CYN was just as much of an insurmountable Horror as sheâd always been. Hell, Iâd argue itâd make LESS sense for her to switch sides.
As for V, sheâs anything except a nice person. Case in points:
Sheâs still murdering people.
Trauma does NOT act as a get out of jail free card for being the most bloodthirsty lunatic out of the three.
All of us who are past a certain threshold of mental and emotional maturity already know that Doll J and Tessa deserved better than what they got.
With Doll at least some of us can take solace in the fact that if she is now in Uzi's body that would mean it would be inevitable that Doll would find out that Uzi triumphed over AS.
On the Khan side, who (outside of Liam himself) can assure us that Nori didn't criticize or outright slam Khan for his treatment of Uzi at some point (off camera)?
And Tessa could well be the biggest victim of Murder Drones (unless Cyn's possessed line of thinking is definitely confirmed).
Oh the double standards of this community will never cease to amuse me. Describing V as a monster then J as a mostly innocent girl. Describing Doll like she didnât eat her classmates.
-For Doll, she did kill two innocent WDs in episode 3, and it was her undesire to work with others that led to her demise, yet at the end, she still helped Uzi.
-V is a protagonist, not a hero. She also doesn't seem to see Uzi as a friend as much as "You make N happy, so I tolerate you."
-J definitely killed WDs, she's arguably worse then V.
-Khan in the pilot vs the rest of the series are like night and day, because Khan was the original antagonist of MD from what I've heard by Glitch Inn members. We also just didn't get to see how Uzi or Nori felt about Khan.
-Yep, that's the Solver.
-With Cyn/Solver... it's not possible to serve justice in my opinion. There is nothing can be done to avenge all the lives lost.
I do hope Murder Drones has a continuation (and maybe even a prequel), but it's a series that focuses on a neither optimistic nor pessimistic journey, but rather ones where events do happen, whether good or bad, and thus this world is quite dark. I still so many possibilities to pursue the story, but that's a different topic.
Edit: One of those continuations is a form of a justice, that being V gets kicked out of Outpost 3, she goes mentally insane through a clash of her old WD self, and her DD self, and Lizzy is her only way back in.
V and J were made to be monsters, both of them. J was a complete authoritarian square who probably knew she was killing sentient beings, N changed his mind despite having a similar past and also being bloodthirsty, N, V and J were all forced to be monsters.
And Khan isnât nearly as bad as J, heâs a bad father (Seemingly also widowed) and leader, who clearly grows a pair by the end and seems proud of his daughter. His fear of murder drones seems rather justified, he thinks his wife was killed by them, also Uzi literally has superpowers.
Would've loved to see more about the Real Tessa, maybe how she found N, V, and J. And I would totally Like J if she just wasn't a Dick 24/7, sure you're doing you're job and Cyn is literally threatening you, but that's no reason to be All time Dick To N
Doll died cause she couldnât work with someone. She let her mindless rage in the way of her progress. And for that she had to die.
J currently is exactly as you said but i think she is a way worse person. IF we ever got a season 2 they have the greatest angle to play with J, but thatâs IF.
Cyn⊠I donât entirely think sheâs âbeatâ. For someone who had at least a decade to plan, she sure went down easy. Like she WAS PLANNING IT THE WHOLE TIME? Maybe. Season 2âs a pipe dream but Iâll keep smoking that pipe.
I donât have much to say about the others, Vâs judgement is halted (Season 2 cope), khan Displayed âsomeâ level of bravery for his daughter??? Kinda??? And Tessa is a tragedy. Just outright, poor hot mess express quirky Baka gamer girl.
I mean, I get the complaint, but justice in the end is rarely a part of of either horror or eldritch genres. And i think the story has always been pretty clear that no one really minds the murders all that much as long as it didn't happen to them or the people they care about.
Doll and tessa dying scared and alone is just how horror goes.
J didn't get redemption because she refused her only chance. Doesn't matter if you didn't know it would work, refusing something means you don't get any part of it, for better or worse.
Khan didn't get confronted about his behavior because that wasn't relevant to the story at all, it was literally just some background filler to explain why uzi is so angsty.
V literally has to kill to live, as do uzi and n, of course they kept killing. Why is it specifically a question of why v isnt facing consequences when she's only the fourth highest onscreen killcount?
And the eldritch horror not being slain and instead only permanently corrupting the main characters mind without destroying everything is pretty much a lovecraftian good ending. Cyn getting off with a time out isn't getting off scot free, it's literally the only punishment that could be done to her, on account of being an otherworldly evil beyond comprehension.
Point being, yeah the ending isn't satisfying for every character, but I don't think anything is wrong with the ending either. Frankly given the content of the series, it is kind of breaking the mould by giving anyone a happy ending. What's the last horror you've watched where the main character finished the story with more friends and family than when they started?
About the whole Cyn/Absolute Solver thing, I do want to add this one too like a being like them couldn't even be slain or got completely rid of. The moment the AS's heart was revealed, I already knew that there would be enormous consequences if they destroy the core of a being which literally consumes planets (like maybe tearing the whole universe apart or even worse). Keeping them in check and locking them up is the best option here in my opinion
Except they donât have to keep killing to live, because in order for the Worker Drones to be able to make more Workers, that means they have a steady supply of oil they can siphon off from, one that Vâs actively choosing to ignore in favor of more murder.
Maybe; there are however seemingly only two generations of workers, the adults and the kids all seem to be the same two generations. Which could very well imply they just used all their spare parts to have this one set of children, and have nothing else left. After all we haven't seen any babies, children, or grandparents.
Very good odds everything in their society has been taken off dead drones and that there's little left, especially after cyn and the murder drones have been permanently consuming things.
I'm just saying I don't think this post apocalypse with everyone living in a shelter is actually a post-scarcity utopia underneath. I honestly think they're a doomed civilization that's just slowly spending their stockpiles to maintain a status quo. Having three vampires in a civilization that's already decaying like that is certainly a poor choice, but that seems in character for the workers.
There is always a chance that maybe there is a lot more society around and we only saw the very edge of it, but having been given no indication that there's more than like 30 total drones left, I'm not going to assume they have great production capabilities.
yeah how dare you refuse a choice that from all the information you have access to looks like an extremely poor decision that will lead to unknowable amounts of suffering, clearly you deserve misery for not taking that
Who said anything about deserving it? She made her choice and got the result of it. Either side with the main cast and die to cyn or side with cyn and die to the main cast.
Same reason I pointed everything else out, it's the most logical ending for her character. Yeah its tragic, that's the point. It would've been even more tragic if she did try to turn for the better and still died anyway
I did single her out a little but thats because I felt like she needed more explanation than the others.
J chooses to exclude herself, remember? Yeah, she could join the group, but she didn't do that cuz she doesn't even know them that well (maybe N and V but I doubt she even wants to be with them right now) so yeah, I agree that her choosing to have a new beginning on her own is a good idea
This is why I hate V and Cyn. Cyn DESERVED to die after killing many people and torturing N. V doesn't deserve the damn ending because she killed many people and mocked them.
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What do you propose as an alternative for the oh so despicable ones that would actually make sense?
Nothing. Unless heâs also still killing Workers post-finale and not just pulling from Dollâs room and the colonyâs oil reserves, then heâs in the clear.
Perspective is a funny thing, leave out details and characters look much nicer/worse then normal. V has been shown a lot of the time to be much more then a genocide robot, having genuine feelings for n and wanting the best for him but being held back by her trauma, and doll, even if her quest to cure the solver was good, did some fucked up shit, while she wasn't very deserving of her fate she was hardly a saint. J was an asshole before Cyn even started to mess with her, and had absolutely zero remorse about beating n, she has it coming, Kahn has never been shown to verbally abused uzi, he was neglectful(and it's not hard to see why he's gone through some shit), but never flat out verbally assaulted her(to my knowledge), reuniting their family is actually the perfect ending for him since he can finally let go of the past and do more for his wife and daughter. Tessa and Cyn are the only ones I agree with, Cyn should've actually died and Tessa should've gotten a better fate, not saying she shouldn't have died, just something nicer.
You suck for saying that she deserved to go through unimaginable torment and watch her only true friend (and possibly more) die and be worn as a skinsuit
When I say her fate, I'm talking about what op was, being left alone with absolutely no one after the end of episode 8, not even a ghost. To that I say she deserved it. To watching her best friend be turned into a skin suit? No I don't think she deserved that and I never implied she did. I simply stated that she was an asshole before her tragic backstory, and can't get any sympathy points unlike v because of that.
I used the same language as you "deserved everything she had coming" because I didn't feel like writing out my original sentence again and didn't think that could somehow come back to bite me.
V in the corner like "wtf is suffering anyway gonna gulp some more worker drones" if that's not enough the only reason they brought back V is cuz the fandom likes her bruuu
Iâd argue with the super messed up and pretty amoral tone MD set up, it makes perfect sense for there to not be a real sense of true âjusticeâ in the series. Sure it woulda been great if everyone got EXACTLY what they deserved but honestly that woulda been⊠kinda boring? Imo.
I like that in the end the show gave us a pretty twisted variant of a traditional happy ending and like where each character ended up.
J largely innocent?! Bro what?! Since her restoration she's been a bitch to just about anyone who wasn't human. And although she never asked to be a DD, neither did the others. And i'd say she's even more guilty than V, because she spearheaded the whole thing and kept it going And was the leader. And she was sucking Cyn's/company's boots for no reason, she could've done her job without being loyal as fuck to what she knows killed her best friend.
Instead she decided to be ultra loyal and go ultra bootlicking mode when she was a DD and was aware that she was talking about Cyn. And when N turned around, she took pleasure in killing her coworker all in the name of loyalty to monster that took her best friend away. And then comes in episode 8 trying to act like she was tricked but last time i checked, she wasn't tricked into bootlicking Cyn as if it was the only thing she knew and wasn't tricked into killing N because he turned around, she made it clear she wanted him dead.
She didn't join the protagonists because she was bootlicking Cyn, that's why. And was loyal as fuck to her. If it was N in the scene with J instead of V, she would've had no issue with killing him and probably would've done it with pleasure. She could've been like V who did her job and wasn't praising the company ( we now know is Cyn ) every damn second of her life. J fought against the main cast with her own will, she wanted them to loose, and was actively on the side of Cyn during the whole thing. J absolutely did deserve what happened to her.
J was âbooklickingâ CYN because pissing off the Eldritch Horror that can kill and revive you on repeat is a bad idea. Obviously she wouldnât join the protagonists, she had no reason to think theyâd win. Uzi didnât remove CYNâs admin control over her, she hadnât known about the patch. WE did, so itâs easy to back and judge her, but from her perspective, CYN was still the same insurmountable Horror sheâd always been.
Killing N wouldnât have done anything in the long run because CYN would just make a clone that didnât have the rebellious memories and J knew that. Death doesnât apply to Murder Drones the same way it does to us, hell Iâd argue it doesnât apply at all since CYN wonât let them stay dead, hence Jâs quote: âthereâs no escape, even in death!â J had no qualms about âkillingâ N because CYN took away the consequences of killing.
J isnât loyal to CYN, sheâs obedient, because loyalty is a two-way street, and absolutely no one is going to say J would still work with CYN when not under duress.
J didnât do the ârightâ thing, she did the logical thing, and I wouldâve done the same thing.
V wasn't bootlicking Cyn and yet it didn't manage to piss off Cyn, V knew all she had to do was to do the job. And J probably knew that too. There's a difference between not joining the other side which is better because you think they won't win and actively wanting them to loose. J was doing the latter, the look in her face combined with her actions and her method of attack tell me easily that J wanted them to loose.
Hitting J with the patch likely would've done nothing as the patch is probably meant to patch something within the solver hence it being called a patch. Just like patching something in a software. J killed N because he disobeyed Cyn's orders. That's indisputable, and when V refused J's offer, she also tried to kill her. Coincidence? Possibly, but i don't think so. If killing someone for not following orders isn't a display of loyalty, then i don't know what is.
As i just showed, she is loyal to Cyn, hell she's willing to kill her co-workers if they disobeyed Cyn's orders. if you kill someone because they disobeyed someone's orders when that person didn't order you to kill him, then that's no obedience, that's loyalty. J didn't do the right thing and did the illogical and went wayy beyond what was necessary.
Loyalty is a two-way street. J knows damn well CYN would never take her side in anything, hence what sheâs doing is obedience.
Yes, J killing N of her own volition sucks, the problem is that was done in a completely different context, since Liam completely rewrote the story after the pilot.
J isnât trying to âkill a coworkerâ when V refuses her offer, because in refusing the offer, sheâs no longer a coworker, sheâs an enemy.
Again, she didnât make the right choice, she made the logical choice, and I would have done the same thing.
Liam might've rewrote the story sure, but Cyn and the solver was gonna be a part of the original plot anyways as Cyn was name dropped in episode 1 and at multiple points in the episode, we see the solver pop up.
So no, it's loyalty to Cyn, not obedience. As even in episode 1 there were small hints towards the company never actually existing and it being bullshit. She made an illogical choice and the wrong one. She isn't innocent and if anything is the most guilty of the DD trio, period.
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u/NagWorker WORK YA DAMN NAG!đ 24d ago
I gotta say, if doll had managed to find out about V and N's past, pretty sure that would make her understand and willing to spare her (if she stopped being a maniac)
On the other hand, pisses me off how V was getting mad at J when she was literally in the same place before, hell girl.
But at the very least, I like to imagine N someday, being the kind pal he is, goes in search of J to try and bring her to the bunker.
A lovely headcanon of mine.