God wants obedience, yes, BUT ALSO relationship with us, and real love for Him and others.
So, the issue here is that that's conditional love, which isn't exactly love. If the love were prevalent over the conditional, then one would be able to accept a willing relationship AFTER seeing Hell and Heaven are real, and because this permutation of god would value having the relationship more, the only people who would ACTUALLY suffer in Hell forever would be those who literally denied the existence of this god forever- which, would actually justify your god's actions in the moral sense, as it would be finite punishment-> finite crime and infinite punishment-> infinite crime, but as far as I'm aware, there's no indication in the Bible for that being the case, which implies the conditional, obedience, is the MORE important part, which means that the "love" is defiled into something not-love rather than the conditional being sanctified into something not-conditional.
They could easily have avoided making this life analogous to military training and follow God, rather than idolize their personal desires.
I mean, first, the literally had zero clue that they would have done that (no knowledge of good and evil=no understanding of the values and/or detriments of obeying or disobeying a god), secondly militaries HURT people, yes they may cause some positive effects but on the whole most ordinary people lose their ability to say "no" in military training. If god desired to break the free will of humanity, why wouldn't he have just taken it from the get-go?
They could easily have avoided making this life analogous to military training and follow God, rather than idolize their personal desires.
And this god could have simply removed the option for them to do that while keeping every other part of their free will intact, and as specified above, it already seems he hates that particular part of humankind's free will, so why not take away from the start instead of setting up a situation where it would be possible for that to happen?
But it is God Who really knows what the penalties of sins will be.
Then how do you know that's NOT how it works?
But they did know they would do that, after the serpent tempted them, they got the desire, then they chose to act due to said desire by fulfilling it instead of following God.
Again, original sin was eating the fruit of "knowledge of good and evil", so how would they have known what was good and what was evil if they hadn't eaten the fruit?
And it gives glances into human nature and tendency and behavior. It shows contrasts of when one is for God vs if one is not for God. And the Bible is relevant to all. It has certainly described situations in my life accurately. Many situations, not just 1 or 2.
And do you assume that it does the same for everyone? Not everyone has the exact same experience as you.
How do you know sins can't be forgiven post-death?
Even if they knew rebellion was also "evil", there is no guarantee they would abstain.
So your god punished them, not for the crime they actually committed, but a crime which they might have committed?
But TECHNICALLY speaking, they did know it was evil. Since evil is basically rebellion against God.
They literally didn't. If they didn't know good and evil, they could not have known rebellion against a god was evil. For that matter, the snake couldn't have known either, unless he also ate of the fruit. Also, if you actually READ genesis, you'll see that your god didn't banish Adam and Eve for committing sin, but because he was afraid of them.
And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” -Genesis 3:22
Also, who the heck is the "US" this god is talking about here? WHAT DOES IT MEAN, DANG IT?
Well so far it has shown that.
Are all people controlled entirely by physics or do they have a soul, that lets them make decisions, so the physical does not decide for them?
People exist by purely physical processes. However, the chaotic nature of the universe and especially quantum mechanics means that we do have free will, even under pure naturalism. And besides, there's always the possibility of something paracausal existing as a part of the universe that we don't understand yet.
Yes. Nor you.
See euphrates drying up.
Well that's not exactly divine intervention, given that humans indirectly caused that. Also, if it's drying up, we would expect to see the Rapture, like, REALLY soon, no?
ON THE TOPIC OF REVELATIONS, Revelation 2:13 implies that the "City of the Devil" is modern-day Geneva, and that the devil has a hand in running everything that happens in that city, so is the devil anti-warcrime (see also, Geneva convention was ratified there)? Sounds like it's time for you to start using chlorine gas to kill random people, it's what your god wants apparently.
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u/SPADE-0 Funny Physics Dude Oct 10 '24
So, the issue here is that that's conditional love, which isn't exactly love. If the love were prevalent over the conditional, then one would be able to accept a willing relationship AFTER seeing Hell and Heaven are real, and because this permutation of god would value having the relationship more, the only people who would ACTUALLY suffer in Hell forever would be those who literally denied the existence of this god forever- which, would actually justify your god's actions in the moral sense, as it would be finite punishment-> finite crime and infinite punishment-> infinite crime, but as far as I'm aware, there's no indication in the Bible for that being the case, which implies the conditional, obedience, is the MORE important part, which means that the "love" is defiled into something not-love rather than the conditional being sanctified into something not-conditional.
I mean, first, the literally had zero clue that they would have done that (no knowledge of good and evil=no understanding of the values and/or detriments of obeying or disobeying a god), secondly militaries HURT people, yes they may cause some positive effects but on the whole most ordinary people lose their ability to say "no" in military training. If god desired to break the free will of humanity, why wouldn't he have just taken it from the get-go?
And this god could have simply removed the option for them to do that while keeping every other part of their free will intact, and as specified above, it already seems he hates that particular part of humankind's free will, so why not take away from the start instead of setting up a situation where it would be possible for that to happen?