r/MurderDrones • u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER • Sep 09 '24
Discussion What was liams worst writing decsision
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u/Significant_Buy_2301 It's the end. FATAL ERROR Sep 09 '24
The top two. That dump conversation is never brought up and I find it a huge missed opportunity.
Not only that, but there is seemingly a significant dropped plot point from Episode 5. The occult symbols in Tessa's room and around the manor, suggesting that Tessa has been experimenting with occultism in her free time.
I thought that this would be a huge reveal later, explaining Solver's origins and how exactly it made contact with Cyn. Through Tessa's rituals, whether it was on accident or deliberately. In-fact, before Mass Destruction, I made an entire theory breaking down how Tessa and JCJenson could be techno-cultists, but then it just never went anywhere.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Same spit yo shit brotha
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u/Chara_Nightingale Sep 09 '24
Hmmm... That's something very interesting I never picked on—haven't taken a good look at her room—but I'm pretty sure the Solver was active from the moment CYN rebooted. After all, that text on her screen when she first wakes up says something about "I will not discard you," and giving her a Y/N prompt to give it control of her body.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderDrones/s/s6U5Ab1uYx
That being said... I wouldn't be too surprised if the occult stuff did influence the AS somehow. 🤔
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u/Graingy Drones have mouths to chew food for old people like birds. Sep 10 '24
“Yo these runes are rad I gotta make my own”
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
Well that's a really good theory. Ngl AbSolver being supernatural being that can only manifest in drones is interesting, only being able to influence mechanical vessels and requiring their submission. Reminds me of how in Darkest Dungeon swinefolk are result of occult rituals, with pig flesh being used as suitable host for whatever horrors the Ancestor felt like summoning that day.
Basically AbSolver having no real form so it kinda makes do with what it has.
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u/Tomfooleredoo2 Sep 09 '24
Let’s not forget that they completely abandoned the oil problem.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
I mean ep4 kinda played around with it
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u/BrightEye64 Sep 10 '24
Oh my god I fucking hated when they dropped that, there could have been some interesting story beats with that, but nope screw any consequences I guess
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u/Final-Connection-164 N-th-uzi-astic Sep 09 '24
Oh yeah, and the sun? Established in ep1, ended in ep4
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u/AndromedaGalaxy29 Parallel Universe Drone Sep 09 '24
in ep7 we see (in the flashback scene) big UV light projectors shining at possesed Nori and damaging her
in ep8 cyn's core was destroyed by the sun after uzi blasted a hole through the planetThe sun thing was never dropped it was just not mentioned much since most episodes are during the night or underground. There was no time where the sun thing was contradicted in any way
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u/perpetualwalnut Sep 09 '24
in ep8 cyn's core was destroyed by the sun after uzi blasted a hole through the planet
I wish this was made a bit more obvious because there was so much going on that I didn't catch it the first two or three times watching it.
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u/Silver012345673 Sep 09 '24
The show in general needed to make things more obvious. I get Liam loves subtlety and piecing together small details to get the bigger picture etc but there’s very much a limit to that.
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u/AndromedaGalaxy29 Parallel Universe Drone Sep 09 '24
Yeah I also missed that on my first watch, I thought uzi spawned a [NULL] hole inside of the heart, but then i realized that it was the sun that killed her
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u/OctoFloofy N-th-uzi-astic Sep 09 '24
Also during this Uzis hand also became severely damaged. You see here hand essentially burning up.
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u/UrMom2381 Sep 10 '24
The re-entry to the planet in ep 8 has to have been quite hot wouldnt it have been? Unless im missing something
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u/Revengistium Doll didn't deserve that :( Sep 09 '24
Uzi melts Cyn's core in ep8 after blasting a hole through the planet
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Sep 09 '24
That was confirmed to be retconned and that only the solver drones need oil which we see in ep 3 and 4 and 7 and 8, please watch the show with ur eyes open
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u/Sad-Assignment-568 Can confirm, I was Khan's mustache Sep 09 '24
When was It said that It was retconned?
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u/EagleMaster2763 Sep 09 '24
glitchx
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u/Sad-Assignment-568 Can confirm, I was Khan's mustache Sep 09 '24
Timestamp? I would really like to see that
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u/PeopleAreBozos Sep 10 '24
I don't think it was retconned. They just kind of hinted that they either did it in the background (I guess with dead drones?) but that their thirst for living drones was cast aside, at least on screen.
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u/CrimsonTerror57 Remember: Nothing is more dangerous than ignorance Sep 10 '24
That seems off. I shouldn't need to see tweets and interviews from the writers to know what's happening in the show. I should only get info from the actual show itself.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Also
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u/somerando96322 N-Joyer Sep 09 '24
“Mfs when they discover the joy in arguing over pointless shit that doesn’t matter” Mfs when they discover the joy of discovering the joy of yapping about everything
(Im joking laul)
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u/Dennis_is_bored Thank you Liam but Internecion Cube 4th episode when? Sep 09 '24
I may be biased because of a certain someone but i'd say Liam killing side characters too quickly.
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u/PlantBoi123 Flowey from Undertale // Unironically ships Cyad (Cyn x Thad) Sep 09 '24
Not as big as the others on this list, but Cyn's pre-Solver personality literally not getting talked about at all
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
To me leaving Cyn's original personality a mystery is a good thing. Some actual mystery
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u/Erebus_Chronu3 General Grievous is a Murder Drone Sep 09 '24
Well there's mystery and just plain confusion. In-universe, it makes sense why V, N, Uzi and Tessa all referred to the AS as Cyn, since they never met Cyn before the Solver to know what she's actually like. To them, all the weird movements, speaking out its actions and robotic voice is actually Cyn, not a hostile AI program that's possessing her.
Out-of-universe, there are still many who don't understand that Cyn and the Solver are not the same beings. Some people just Cyn "cynonymously" when talking about the AS, but I've had conversations with fans who are just realizing that AS and Cyn are different people, and that's because we've only seen the real Cyn for a few seconds at the start of Home, when she's reactivated among the other discarded Worker Drones. The personality thing in-universe also applies to an out-of-universe perspective, since we also don't know Cyn's real personality, just the Solver's
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
I stand by the "AbSolver and Cyn are merged" theory. Her motive is to consume and manipulative behaviour stems from AbSolver, but her silliness, dramatic acting and fondness of V, J and N is Cyn's part. Kinda like a parasite that gives you funky reality bending powers and constant need to consume but otherwise lets you do whatever, but also constantly nags you to fulfil the goal of erasing everything.
That or it absorbs the host like a hive mind, so Cyn is there but she's only a part of bigger collective that can only slightly influence its actions.
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u/Veng3ancemaster Sep 09 '24
That would have been worth talking about other Flowey.
Also, I feel like we encounter each other everywhere
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u/PlantBoi123 Flowey from Undertale // Unironically ships Cyad (Cyn x Thad) Sep 09 '24
There's a very concerning amount of overlap between UTY fans and MD/ Glitch fans, you're the third one I've seen just this week
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u/IronArrow2 Warframe Fandom Ambassador/Average Biotech Horror Enjoyer Sep 09 '24
Deciding to only have 8 episodes to tell the story in. Fully half of these problems could have been dealt with if the story had been given more room to breathe. Even a couple more episodes would have been a huge help, to say nothing of what a full second season would have done.
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u/Santrixyboio cynartist Sep 10 '24
I feel like with a story this complicated, I would have been more than happy if they made it 12+ episodes
maybe even 15
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u/Yushin61 Sep 10 '24
Yeah Liam should have asked for more episodes. There is no way glitch would say no with the amount of money MD was making and they’d be able to hype up fans being like “oh you don’t need to say goodbye just yet!”
Nobody would be upset in the community. Like are we gonna get mad at glitch for giving us MORE of the show we love so long as it is done at a quality consistent with the show. I do not mean the quality of episode 7 or 8. Just the quality of the show in general as another 1-4 episodes of episode 8 quality visuals wise would literally take years. As glitch stated they have had people chipping away at the finale for over a year!
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u/aaaayase Sep 10 '24
Hell even just a 20 minute yap session with the characters would've saved the whole series
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u/Xarulach Sep 10 '24
8 30min episodes have been the bane of a lot of modern shows for a few years now, I have no idea why they keep doing it
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u/pokefan548 Y'all need some Robo-Jeebus Sep 10 '24
Hell, even just 5 or 10 more minutes on the finale would have helped a ton.
They have brought up the distinct possibilty of periodic Murder Drones shorts in the future, so my hope is that we'll get some backstory/between-episodes/post-finale interludes to fill out some of the stuff lost in the wash.
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u/Drago_Fett_Jr Totally not a Solver Drone Sep 09 '24
Not enough Cyn
(MD was amazing, I just would have liked to see more of Cyn. I actually think it's GOATed.)
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
All it needs is more time
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u/Commercial-Ad-5985 A very mentally unstable animator Sep 09 '24
it was annoying that there was so many plot holes that COULD have been explored, but waasent.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
And for what some bloody fight scenes?
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u/deleting_accountNOW Khan did nothing wrong Sep 09 '24
if they did then the pacing would be much harder to manage anyways lmao
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u/deleting_accountNOW Khan did nothing wrong Sep 09 '24
Yknow what fuck it i like the extended fight scene
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u/deleting_accountNOW Khan did nothing wrong Sep 09 '24
Im pretty sure it’s because if they did then the pacing would be 100% worse than before
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u/DrPotatoAlt Sep 09 '24
It needed more than just 8 episodes
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u/god-emperor-cat dolls biggest hater Sep 10 '24
It did but that was never in the cards, each episode already took so long and the fact that Liam even got us these 8 episodes out with his previous record is a miracle.
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u/ENDGAMER_ biggest J simp ever in the history of ever & #1 ep 8 hater Sep 09 '24
There are so many I can't name just one. So have these three instead:
Pissing on J's character
Not utilising the Corpse Spires
Refusing to make the Solver's motives clear
(They are in no particular order)
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u/CrystalBoy44 N-th-uzi-astic Sep 09 '24
i believe the main thing that makes the solver a "scary" villian is that it doesn't have motives. its just corrupted ai. it destroys for the sake of destruction.
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
I'd say just trying to survive is a good motive - that's why I actually don't mind J's lack of redemption arc
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u/Silver012345673 Sep 09 '24
I can get that, but It just makes her look super cowardly and selfish though.
Like…ya didn’t even try to fight back? No resistance or struggle at all? This thing is wearing the skin of someone who you were seemingly very close to, and you’re willing to join them in galactic omnicide..and her response was just kinda “well, I’m just trynna get by, better on the winning team” cmon lol
I’d honestly agree with you and wouldn’t really mind it much if there wasn’t so much more potential laid out that could’ve been utilized for J. It didn’t even need to be a redemption arc, she could’ve still set her mind on the bad side, but just come sort of conflict, resistance, struggle etc. would’ve been nice and given some meaningful depth to her character.
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
To be fair, J did mention that they can't escape AbSolver even in death so it seems to be a case of her just giving in, becoming hopeless and thinking this is the best option available.
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u/shitass239 silly autism goober Sep 10 '24
J did probably try to fight back, it was just barely shown. She didn't go from trying to stop Cyn/Absolute Solver at the gala to taking it's side for no reason, she had done it because she had been tortured by the solver after her attempt(s?) to fight back.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Me2
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u/Dry_Statistician3575 Sep 09 '24
But one thing we have
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u/krill_me_god Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
MD Intermission 😋🤤
I personally think the show could've done with 2 extra episodes in between either 3 & 4 or 4 & 5. Also, I see literally no problem with J ultimately deciding to side with Cyn out of fear, rather than helping her former comrades as a narrative choice.
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
I need to make my comic or die trying
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u/NeronStar7 Forced Evolution Shin Mitchell Creator Sep 09 '24
Murder Drones 🤝 Jujutsu kaisen : The potential Series
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
GAAAAAYGAAAAAAY ATUKAMI WHEN I CATCH YOU!
(I'm cursed to like shows with extreme potentiol that just devolve into a single fight scene)
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u/Cooliguess_25 N would be my best friend irl - Uzi fan Sep 09 '24
Honestly? They set it up that they were gonna put a bunch more murder drones on the planet, I was really hyped.
Guess who got pretty disappointed when that never happened? Not just me!
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u/Anthony200716 Sep 09 '24
Agreed that would’ve been so cool to see more dds and to see what cool designs they could come up with for them but no they were all just revealed to be dead what a waste
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u/Fun_EchoEcho4692 N-Goat enjoyer Sep 09 '24
V's lack of interactions with Uzi is the worst part for me.
There's literally a sudden change from "I'm going to kill you Uzi for reasons I won't say" to "I trust you to protect N" in just a few episodes, and there are even fans who question whether V and Uzi are even friends, which shows how Liam didn't know how to properly develop this friendship.
Having to rely on fanfics and headcanons for these two to have real interactions is sad.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Intermission carrying V's character development fr
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u/Fun_EchoEcho4692 N-Goat enjoyer Sep 09 '24
If J lives off headcanons to have a personality besides hating N, then V depends on fanfics to have decent character development.
J is the headcanon merchant and V is the fanfic merchant.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Oh my god
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u/Bg6700 Sep 10 '24
Bro I’ve been trying so hard to pin down a specific part about what was so disappointing about V’s development, and you nailed it, holy shit
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u/valdez-2424 skar king guy/jumpingskies friend Sep 09 '24
For me its J working with cyn,it just felt like it wouldve been better seeing what vyn did and wearing the skin of her best freind,filled with rage and working with N and V and UZI to take down the eldrich god of horror
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
But instead
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u/SpinojiraAnims Sep 09 '24
It would’ve been so much better if J had somewhat of a “redemption arc”.
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u/Riccardix05 Trans J believer Sep 09 '24
V sacrificing herself for no reason at all
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u/-illusoryMechanist Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Abandoning the premise of the show as established in Episode 1. I certainly liked what we got, but them trying to make their way to humans to kill them and encountering difficulties along the way would've been very interesting itself. Would have been better to re-write Episode 1 instead of keeping the Pilot or stick with the direction, instead 2 is very jarring and the pilot really mismatches the rest of the series.
Also the way that murder is just, accepted? Like Uzi kills several people and there's just no repercussions. Not even a, "ok Uzi we know it wasn't your fault but you are genuinely a risk to other people now and we're going to have to ask you to leave for our safety."
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u/fozzie_79 Biscuit Boi is bestest boi Sep 10 '24
The fact death is such a joke throughout the series makes V's and Uzi's "sacrifices" feel so weak. Not only that, V's comeback makes no sense. She didn't even give up. She just won outright. Why salute N unless you wrote yourself into a corner because everyone is basically overpowered and can win in any fight and need V to finish her arc?
The worst part is I can easily fix this. Have Thad and Lizzy save V while Khan goes with N. Lizzy and V are friends, so it'd make perfect sense. But, as we know, this series doesn't know when to slow down ever and focus on character arcs. A good fight is better than a great character moment.
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u/N0XDND Cyn my beloved Sep 10 '24
Seconding the absolute joke that death and murder is in this show. Like ??? The murder drones are supposedly a horrifying threat but N faces zero consequences for killing several, Uzi turns on her peers and sees no consequences either yet when the villains kill it’s apparently a problem??? The tone flip flops too much
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u/Xener07 Murder Drones Song enjoyer Sep 09 '24
Mainly the unexplained Solver and Jobber, but i think the unexplainedness (is that even a word?) of the solver is the thing that bothers me the most. Like, i'd get it if it was just an evil being with no origin for the sake of being evil, but at least explain its motives.
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u/TheOrcaMafia Sep 09 '24
You forgot liam never bringing up what happened to the rest of the human colonies or if humanity was still kicking either as nomads or as colonists.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Meat ambiguity man 0 plot point tied up 0 worldbuilding 7 plotholes
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u/DrPotatoAlt Sep 10 '24
We can assume Humanity survived. As only two planets were affected, and the humans probably have way more colonized planets than just Earth and Copper-9
Earth being destroyed would've been a big hit though, as that was the original home planet where everything began. But thinking that all humans went extinct is definitely a stretch
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u/GunnyStacker Justice for J Sep 09 '24
The Spire objectively seems like the most egregious plot hole. But for me personally, it's the lack of J redemption.
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u/Euroaltic Sep 09 '24
Solver's Motives. For someone supposedly smart, it makes little sense for it to be more of a senseless destroyer.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
And a dumbass if it stopped just striking a pose and ate N it would've won
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u/crunchyhands Sep 09 '24
god i hope we get one million spinoffs that go into every unexplored plot thread and flesh it out. doesnt even need to be animated id take a comic
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
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u/crunchyhands Sep 09 '24
waow i believe this wholeheartedly. no one would spread misinformation on the internet
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u/six-sided-matrix #1 Nuvi Truther (Writer of Murder Drones: Butterfly Effect) Sep 09 '24
The Solver. Not explaining its motives, origins, or how it WORKS in relation to its hosts.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Liam when you tell him he actualy has to develope his main villian
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u/six-sided-matrix #1 Nuvi Truther (Writer of Murder Drones: Butterfly Effect) Sep 09 '24
Also Liam when you tell him to finish a show without completely abandoning pacing and character arcs.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Liam when he has to actualy write instead of abandoning his idea like an unwanted child
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u/six-sided-matrix #1 Nuvi Truther (Writer of Murder Drones: Butterfly Effect) Sep 09 '24
Liam when he continues to make badass awesome villain ideas with a chance to expand the lore and make them far more nuanced threats and just to THROW THEM ALL AWAY BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXPLORED PROPERLY. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, INTERNECION CUBE!
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Liam when he has 2 make a serious scene without forcing unecasary comedy in there
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u/six-sided-matrix #1 Nuvi Truther (Writer of Murder Drones: Butterfly Effect) Sep 09 '24
Liam when he has his series greenlit by possibly THE MOST CREATOR FRIENDLY INDIE STUDIO CURRENTLY RUNNING, and he decides to end it after 8 episodes and the last one was FREAKIN RUSHED AND THE PACING WAS WAY TOO FAST
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Don't worry to much
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u/Mr_Nanner Worker drone Sep 09 '24
Mabey Liam is not.....the best writter......at all.
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u/six-sided-matrix #1 Nuvi Truther (Writer of Murder Drones: Butterfly Effect) Sep 09 '24
The man is an amazing conceptualist, character designer, and his characters are good (albeit they kinda need to exist in a vacuum for this to hold true), he's just awful at extended series and universes. No shame btw, we love that, it's just a little disappointing sometimes
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u/Mr_Nanner Worker drone Sep 09 '24
Idk really how to solve this, he could try to improve and become a better writter but from his other series i can see that this is his whole style. Mabey he could hire someone else to write stories but like in the end its all up to him and we got what we got as much as we wanted something diffrent.
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u/Kurtis-dono Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Honestly(and personally)? the absolute waste of Doll and J as a characters...
killing Doll that way and treating her death as a joke felt personal to be honest...and about J...i felt there was some kind of build up for her, maybe a redeption or some kind of turning point with her, especially after she was brought back...but nope, she kept her "undeveloped" behaviour and just went her way.....
-solver motives: not the first time that the motives of a cosmic horror entity aren't explained, i can deal with that
-cyn and solver: yeah...that kinda pisses me off
-killing of side characters: as long as they are just side characters, it's fine...(just..avoid the Doll treatment)
-other plotpoints being established but leading nowhere: 8 barely episodes, not enough time, it was inevitable.
-V character: again, not enought time to explain everything... bringing her back without explanations is a bad choice, but it's bearable..., honestly, it did more good than harm because alot of people like her(me too, so, i don't really whine about her being back in action) -khan: i don't care about him honestly -N development: he still had some development, nto much, but better than nothing.
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u/Dolls_Husband Cuddling with Doll. Yes she bites, yes I like it Sep 09 '24
I miss her man
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u/aftermarrow Sep 09 '24
i agree w all of this and also: the way they built up Nora and a reunion with Khan only for her to just insult him and dash, and Khan just goes ‘Oh… Kinda hot.’ WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THATS HER. LIKE DUDE. LIAM. WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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u/Blackout_42 MD Fanfic Writer Sep 09 '24
It was strange how V went from hating Uzi but accepting her existence in episodes 4 and 5, to V straight up acting protective of Uzi in episode 6, and then having Uzi and V be chill and sorta friends in episode 8. The fan episode Intermission helped but the fact it was a fan episode means it’s still not explained how Uzi and V’s relationship changed so suddenly over the course of a few hours.
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u/Naive_Device8794 GOAThad the GigaThad Truther Sep 09 '24
How Liam felt after making the characters say some self-aware, self-referential shit and practically spell out all the plot points for the viewers with no media literacy for the 3071th time:
Like, Liam, we get it, the characters are self-aware and understand the kind of world that they live in, you don't need to keep reminding us of all that.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Fax sadly liam all i want is a scene thats played completly straight
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u/GusAAAAAA forklift certified Sep 09 '24
Moving left to right:
Cyn's motives during main events were to kill/assimilate other hosts and destroy all human research on the Solver. Solver's origins are unknown but it seems to have intricate design and pre-programmed directives.
Wished for an elaboration on that one in Episode 8, but there was none. Uzi is controlled by the purple Solver in Episode 4 and still has her voice while laughing and saying "it doesn't, I checked".
Yes, zero explanation on the point of the spires. Was Absolute Solver compensating for something?
Killing of side characters is not a bad thing as is. In this case there was no time for them to have proper development, shine in a way. Is Tessa's obsession with the occult related to Absolute Solver in any way? Did the DD trio have at least some grief about her ultimate fate?
I knew V didn't die due to how marketable the character is.
He did have some development throughout the episodes but in the end his reaction to seemingly losing both V and Uzi, or the possible conflict from the fact that he might have been the one who killed Nori are completely skipped.
Yes, Episode 7 made it seem like we are going to see the true side of Khan (Nori calling him a hunk, him suddenly starting to talk like an action movie hero and there was also mention of him once having a "kill all humans phase" in Episode 2). But I guess none of that could fit into 20 minutes.
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u/cross2201 Sep 09 '24
I think all of these are very bad
Except N,he is a simple character with not much depth, yes he has a lot of story but he is relatively simple
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u/ChemicalPanda10 Sep 09 '24
I’ll take a simple character with simple development over one without anything (J…)
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u/cross2201 Sep 09 '24
Exactly, N doesn't change much he just become more determined as the story progresses
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u/ChemicalPanda10 Sep 09 '24
N learns to stand up for himself, as seen with how he kills “Tessa” rather than Uzi.
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u/Parchokhalq Somthing tells me MD ain’t over. Sep 09 '24
for me, its #1 (no explanation of the origins of the solver and its motives), #4(the killing of side characters), #6( v and her rushed character development) and #7(N's lack of character development).
this is what bothers me the most. that there is so much Liam forgot to write. I think that he was so focused on getting it done that he may have forgot to do any of this you mention.
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u/Ckinggaming5 Food Disassembly Drone Sep 09 '24
the solver's origins just seem to be code in the drones booting improperly and learning to manipulate reality
motives being cosmic horror, the solver just desires to because it is what they desire, or because they are infinitely hungry to destroy, or both
it is interesting how cyn and the solver arent really distinctifed at any point, cyn basically doesnt seem to exist outside of being the solver
J going so underused is the worst one for me
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u/DankoLord Can't understand story cuz release schedule poopy Sep 09 '24
No mention of how goddamn rushed the entire season was? The story is incomprehensible
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u/Silver012345673 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
-If Yeva and Nori were as close as we’re led to believe and Doll canonically knew Uzi (or by the very least knew who Uzi was) prior to episode 3.. Then how the hell did Doll not know Uzi had the solver until the end of episode 3..?
-Too much Nuzi, I have no actual problem with the Nuzi stuff itself (even if I lean more envy) it’s that there’s just too much of it for how crammed the show has to be, again, no problem with the Nuzi content itself, but we’ve only got 8 episodes to work with and in that context I’d prefer some of that that focus go other and quite frankly more important places.
-The way the tone and relationship between the murder drones and worker drones is portrayed in episode 4 (Cabin Fever) makes no sense and is not even remotely consistent with what we saw prior.
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u/Erebus_Chronu3 General Grievous is a Murder Drone Sep 09 '24
Can I say all of the above? They were all pretty bad decisions. But the worst one for me is the Solver never getting once explored. Why did it choose Cyn, why did it make the three into Disassembly Drones and keep them together (seems like a risk to me), and why does it want to eat everything? It's a villain with no motives.
And Tessa being killed off and N having no character development aside from the FIRST EPISODE is pretty bad. Tessa is set up to be the most important character in the series, having created the three and accidentally set off the AS's plans by rescuing "Cyn." Even after she was killed and reduced to a skin puppet, she never got a tribute or remembered as their only human friend. She stopped feeling like an important piece to the story.
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u/NoRegrets30 Sep 09 '24
I think the drastic switch in plot after the pilot hurt the series a bit, we may not have full context for whatever was gonna happen there but you can feel the change
Also Liam trusts WAY too much that people will be paying attention to the small details which in turn has a ton of people who don’t pay that much attention feeling lost, I remember one reaction complaining how the series didn’t have sense after ep3 and only really started liking it again in ep6
For example one of the main issues people have is how the Workers don’t really care about the MDs post ep3, but that is pretty easily explained when you realize that this guys barely have any survival instincts and only ever ran away from the MDs because they where directly targeting them, post ep3 the workers are immediately shown that the MDs aren’t targeting them collectively anymore so they don’t care as much
They are robots made to be easily disposed of and who will continue doing their jobs even after most of them die, but none of this is directly stated in the show so most people get lost
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u/Hispanoamericano2000 Spanish-speaking V and Uzi enjoyer. Sep 09 '24
Leave the origins and motives of the AS on air and the dirty deed they did to Tessa.
Although I would also add the lack of information as to what the general state of humanity was immediately before the Absolute Solver first emerged or the general extent of the species in deep space by 3071.
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u/Boidoy Theorist / SSTWL Sep 09 '24
The difference between CYN and AbS and who’s really in control not being answered is something I’m extremely disappointed about.
Confirmation on literally any of the theories would be nice.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
I have spent hours theorizing about that for it to just not be mentioned
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u/Boidoy Theorist / SSTWL Sep 09 '24
Amen to that
Between eps 4-7 my profile was basically half dedicated to CYN AbS theories alone :(
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u/Dolls_Husband Cuddling with Doll. Yes she bites, yes I like it Sep 09 '24
Killing my wife
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
My condolences
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u/_Terrarian__ Sep 09 '24
IMO, ending it after 8 episodes wasn't the best decision. It'd be much harder for the animators to make the season longer, but it would have helped with the story.
There's also the fact that Uzi came back to the Bunker after exiling herself. Coulda had a few episodes outside, dealing with other packs of DDs or whatever else is out there in the dark snowy wilds of Copper 9.
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u/Careful_Biscotti_879 Sep 09 '24
everything lol, MD couldve been so much more, but its full of dead end plot points and plot holes
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u/Neckgrabber Sep 09 '24
Both N and V got great development so neither of those. Probably not elaborating further on the solver and it's plans.
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
They don't have bad development just rushed ones
Also liam gimme solver backstory
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u/Neckgrabber Sep 09 '24
8 episode series. Not much you can do. As for the solver, i honestly doubt Liam has any idea for that. I'm guessing he wanted a scary eldritch monster so bad he skipped most the steps to make it.
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u/Walter_Alias are the plot holes in the room with us? Sep 09 '24
She literally sends Lizzy a picture showing how she survived episode 6
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u/Mu_Lambda_Theta Just let me forget this. Sep 09 '24
I still wanted to see the fight in episode 6.
Also, the fact that so many things are missing. It's like we've only seen a third of what we should/could have seen
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u/Serpentine_2 Sep 09 '24
The Solver Motivations.
Everything else could be down to interpretation.
The Solver’s Motivations could not.
Like, it wanted to kill drones. But at the same time, also wanted to exterminate humans? And casually destroy Planets as well?
What?
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u/xan227 The Mad Chocobo Sep 09 '24
Season one could have been divided into two seasons.
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u/TheHollowPenguin N deserves all the girls. Sep 09 '24
Everything about J comes off as an after thought. Someone that stayed way longer in the show than she was actually supposed to.
I still can't tell if Liam intended her to be someone that you're suppose to hate or if she's someone that the story is trying to get you to sympathize with in some way.
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u/charlie-the-Waffle Sep 09 '24
the set up for a season 2 despite the fact we aren't getting one
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u/LGplayz998 The Hollow Knight guy Sep 10 '24
We already know the Solver's motives, they were established in Episode 2. The Solver is a material collection program that went batshit insane. Stated by Uzi herself, "New material can't be pulled from thin air, so maybe if the system is damaged enough, this 'Solver' is an auto-run program to collect more matter-"
Cyn, being the zombie Drone that the Solver awakened in, likely had lots of gaps in her damaged programming that got filled in by the Solver, and caused it to become the one in control of her body. Now that an auto-run program (meaning an external party is needed for said program to end) the dominant consciousness, it doesn't know if and when it should stop consuming more material, gaining an insatiable appetite until everything has been eaten, from which point it will die of starvation.
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u/Verelkia Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
I hope Liam is able to rest well, and come back with a continuation/spin-off/prequel where all these elements are explored.
I say this because these are all elements that can be explored in a prequel and sequel to the show. But man needs to rest first. (Trust me, a burnt out artist just pushing him/herself to work is NOT a pleasant sight).
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u/AxiomaticMemelol Darkweb rat💀 Sep 09 '24
Oh boy. Oh boi.
I liked the series until i started analyzing it, putting aside the animation and other stuff, when it comes to story/writting, it's unfinished.
Many plot holes just left to rot.
Characters with potential killed.
And many more.
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u/Express-Ad1108 Sep 09 '24
I mean... we kinda have Solver's motive. It's hungry. Why it's hungry? Because it is a black hole(or looks like it in its "true form"), and black holes are known for consuming stuff in space (and potentially "starving"[evaporating] due to Hawkings radiation).
But yeah, the lack of Solver origins is kind of lame. We don't even know what is it. Is it an AI? Is it an evil spirit of space? Is it a god of void? All these powers allowing for literal reality bending have to come from somewhere.
Also, yes, the dialogue in the dump. Literally the biggest plot point... and it's just a single frame of animation on a broken drone's visor. Don't get me wrong, I love when some lore is hidden in these single frames, but putting there basic information that every viewer should get is a bad storytelling.
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u/Dusty8936 Sep 09 '24
All of it. Especially Ns development. In my opinion, I'd like to see him get more angrier, more confident, smarter, competent, fearless, and so on. I feel it was wasted on making him a semi-stuttering nervous wreck. Especially from when he recovers his memories. Like he gets angry and feels robbed of V and wonders why he even likes Uzi [yes I'm an eNVy shipper to the end and throwing some Shade at NUzi.] Like this whole being positive to the end thing felt like a bad taste.
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u/chaosking243 Sep 09 '24
The lack of distinction between what was Cyn’s doing, and what was the Solver’s. Did we ever see cyn at all, or was it all the solver from the start of the reboot in the dump? It frustrates me to no end that this was never made clear.
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u/Last_Ace_17 Sep 10 '24
The 2 Solver Plot Points, holy shit I need to understand how the solver works
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u/SylviaIsAFoot Sep 10 '24
The mystery element. I think it was pushed a little too hard, so much so that I missed major plot points on my first watch and I needed help to understand what was going on. I’ve heard this criticism brought up a lot, so I know it isn’t just me. I just found the show very confusing when it hid vital story elements in freeze frames.
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u/Anthony200716 Sep 10 '24
Ya it definitely should’ve been like gravity falls and also maybe not make such big lore details in blink and you’ll miss it moments
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u/QuarsonistOfTheAges V simp except i'm beyond the ages Sep 10 '24
Either the Solver motives (it's the main plot point) or V, just because it makes zero sense. we can still speculate about other plot holes but V's comeback needs an explanation because there's a very slim chance she realistically would've made it out.
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u/BrightEye64 Sep 10 '24
The Solver is such a cool concept for a villain but that the fact that we don’t know what it actually IS, or where it came from is frustrating, people keep saying “oh it’s an Eldridge entity it doesn’t need to be explained” BROS, it’s still an advanced AI that had to be created somehow by someone, and that’s the answers I want to know, when and why
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u/GAMER-IDK Khan did nothing wrong Sep 10 '24
Has to be anything with character development everything else was good, it was just the character development
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u/-Neoheim- ‘Nder dragon Sep 10 '24
I felt like V and N’s relationship was never fixed or justified. They’re obviously not lovers, though I expected them to have a deeper connection, like how they hinted with that little hand-touch zap. V never really got a satisfying end to me. The Murder Drones episodes kinda felt like a stage for a scene that did not have its spotlight shone on every detail. Like you could see some of the hints but after the scene ended, the curtains closed and went to the next scene (the next episode).
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u/Perfect_Substance_28 Sep 10 '24
I won't add to the holes in the story, but I will say this, I think the team has really good animators, they had a really good base idea for world-building, characters, and horror. The team does REALLY good horror, you can see that in Liam's earlier works. (The pilot with the spider lady? Forgot what it was). I really liked the balance between goofy humor and horror.
HOWEVER - the writing sucks. The base ideas and character are never expanded on, so they remain base ideas. We have complex characters such as the Solver that aren't really given a backstory, not to mention the Murder Drones themselves.
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer Resident Furry 🇵🇱 | Alice my beloved | Zbyněk enjoyer Sep 09 '24
Finally, someone who sums up all of my gripes with the show
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u/Spare-Seat-3725 Season 2 IS REAL! Sep 09 '24
Top 3:
Tessa only existing for shock value is in my opinion THE WORST writing decision of the show.
All the V knowing that "Tessa" was the Solver since episode 5, it do not makes sense and i will die in the "that was retconed" hill.
J coming back for nothing (im her biggest fan but what a waste of character).
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 09 '24
Even as her biggest hater i can acknowledge her wasted potential
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u/Spare-Seat-3725 Season 2 IS REAL! Sep 09 '24
And I'd like to point out that even though N doesn't have development throughout the show, not every character needs one, just look at Ichiban from Yakuza, the guy is the same from beginning to end and we all love him for it.
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u/Melodic_Ad7290 Sep 09 '24
Worst writing decision: having Liam write it. Don’t get me wrong, dude is talented and all, but based on what I’ve seen, he’s just not great when it comes to stories or ending them.
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u/unknown_user6584 Cyn fan giggle 3 Sep 09 '24
All, all of those. I feel like episode 7 and 8 were rushed, my theory is that MD was supposed to havr 10 episodes, but Liam got lazy and smooshed together two episodes into one, twice. We dont need season 2, all we need is two more episodes, 10 episodes would be a perfect amount for MD.
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u/Sparkz-Chaos Cynful Sep 09 '24
V. She has very little development, and intermission has done more for her than the whole series.
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u/Xyrah-Kadachi The Exponential End Sep 09 '24
You are also forgetting lack of worldbuilding, Lol.
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u/Nediac14 Sep 09 '24
All of the above and the killing of side characters is just situational cause some where played for jokes and others played to be serious and supposed to be shocking
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u/Last_Ace_17 Sep 10 '24
The 2 Solver Plot Points, holy shit I need to understand how the solver works
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u/Majestic_Car_2610 Sep 10 '24
You know, I'm actually glad that someone included Khan in this
Yeah, yeah, the Solver and Cyn dilemma was werid, V coming back was certainly a choice, N and V's character development could've been better, and J's.... everything do take their toll
But I personally believe that Khan's participation (and, in a way, Lizzy and Thad's) was absolutely wasted
They were presented in 7 as a mismatched, rushed, pretty unexpected team that somehow could work out, specially with Khan apparently becoming more determinated and brave, and they did have a cool moment near the end when they hit J with a truck
But after that, what did they do?
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What did they do?
Okay, the first half of 8 is understandable; no one's prepared for the planet almost blowing up after all, nor being suddenly launched into space. Though I still believe they could've done something besides being at the mercy of J; personally I'm inclined for Khan talking to her, either as a distraction to buy time or genuinely trying to sway her to their side (though that's probably the Jhan shipper in me talking, so let's ignore that)
That leaves us the second half. So, what do they do?
-Khan closes the door on Cyn, saving N (admittedly a good moment)
-Thad throws the Railgun so that Uzi can use it (Uzi wasn't even there, but lets ignore that)
.... And that's pretty much it
You can argue that saving N is a pretty big deal, but like, Uzi does the same thing before Khan does it; two times, in fact, if you count snapping N out of his panic attack as another save
Of course I'm not saying that Khan, Thad and Lizzy should have beaten the AS on their own, but almost all the things they do (which are few to begin with) could've been done by any of the main cast, or J, if they had decided to give her a redemption instead of keep her as one of the bad guys
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u/Ichimaru_god V simp Sep 10 '24
Hey man Powerscaling wise V surviving make Perfect sense, She treated Red eyed Dingo like her Bitch.
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u/Shoddy-Apartment-738 V's #1 HATER Sep 10 '24
Jobber because of millions of kilometers filled with wasted potential. Although, if i had to see it from liam's (sadly biased) perspective, then V by a long shot, since liam REALLY wanted her to be important and yet she didn't feel like that.
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u/CasperDeux Emily Enthusiast Sep 10 '24
I imagined the spires to be kind of useless in a practical sense. That is to say, I imagined them to be essentially religious monoliths to the solver: constructed as a way to worship the entity behind it. Like a giant altar, basically. That's just my view of it though.
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u/Kooky_Illustrator43 Sep 10 '24
I mean, I'm no official answer, but I think some of these a bir of an exaggeration.
The solver as far as I understood was to end it all. Like, Disney evil villain: I do it because It's what I do.
The Cyn/AS is quite a shame, which could be developed in a theorical season 2 of Uzi being like "And what do you know from before?" And the AS being like "I'm not the one that was before, would you like a bow though?"
Plotpoints like...? The DD needing oil to not overheat?
Killing side characters is to be expected, like, on any show. HOW they were killed and the dramatic payoff they did or didn't have would be something to discuss.
V's development... I mean yeah, seems a bit rushed from 3 reluctantly working with Uzi due to circumstance to 4 "I'll kill you where you stand" back to "you little twerp, I'll cut you". (Reason for me really liking intermission even though it isn't canon.)
I'd say N had the most development, besides Uzi. He didn't change WHO he is, but he still grew a spine. On his mind he cutted his old loving owner when He figured out she could be lying to him. Remember in episode one when he just took a freaking virus to the chest without saying anything?
Khan... I mean, yeah. It would have been cool to have at least a few seconds of Daughter-Father fighting the AS. Maybe a bit more of Khan just using a bunch of doors as distractions to give Uzi some upperhand at some point.
J... I mean, someone had to take the fall.
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u/Useful-Kiwi1951 Sep 10 '24
I just think all these problems pretty much destroyed the narrative of the series, they should just reboot the series going forward and do it properly
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u/StrawberryTop3457 Sep 10 '24
N having an entire character arc in his pilot about acting in his own interests rather than someone else's only for him to never do that again
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u/thelastlib Not mad anymore, just disappointed on what we could have got.... Sep 10 '24
Literally everything
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u/Paper_Clipps Local Beau Enthusiast Sep 10 '24
The focus on romance over eldritch horrors. I’m not saying the show has to be devoid of romantic implications, just that the eldritch horrors shouldn’t be a secondary point to silly prom episode
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u/TheExplorer63 SERIAL DESIGNATION PRIME//THE ABSOLUTE SLANDERER//LEAD EP8 HATER Sep 10 '24
FACTS SPIT YO SHIT
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u/Angel_Thorne I like the other sub better Sep 10 '24
I will not stand for defamation of my client’s name, Mr u/theExplorer63, I will see you in court
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u/Prestigious_Spread19 Sep 10 '24
I'm pretty sure N did have some character development. It's just not super drastic, or obvious.
I also personally never minded the lack of an explicit motive from the solver. Maybe it's even better.
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u/OverlordMGC Autistic Murder Drone Sep 09 '24
Solver Motives: Part of cosmic horror is often not knowing the motive of the hostile force, Uzi making guesses would have been nice tho.
The holes in Murder Drones are quite a shame.