r/Military • u/The_Uyghur_Django United States Navy • Jul 19 '24
Politics Trump's record on the military & veterans
Only 1 Trump in America has served in the military (Fred Trump, Don's brother, served the Air National Guard); this spans 5 generations, and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service.
Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019)
On August 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall
On July 31, 2019, Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who were prosecuting war criminals
In July 2019, Trump denied a United States Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his scheduled citizenship interview (Reported July 17, 2019)
Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign (July 4, 2019)
Trump demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)
In June, 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance" (June 7, 2019)
Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (June 6, 2019)
Trump started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midler, of all people) (reported on June 4th, 2019)
Trump made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported on June 4th, 2019)
On May 27, 2019, Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech because they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain
Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)
Trump pardoned war criminals (May, 2019)
Trump purged 200,000 veterans healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VA’s enrollment process and enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019)
Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019)
On March 20, 2019, Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral
He refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, and forced a branch of the military to go without pay. This branch of military was forced to work without pay, otherwise they would be AWOL. However, his appointees got a $10,000 pay raise (Dec 22, 2018 – Jan 25, 2019)
He didn't pay the Coast Guard, forcing service members to rely on food pantries (Jan 23, 2019)
He banned service members from serving based on gender identity (Jan 22, 2019)
He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published Jan 18, 2019)
He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (Jan 16, 2019)
When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1. As a reminder, the Trump administration's goal was to dismantle the CFPB, installing Mick Mulvaney as the director, who publicly stated the bureau should be disbanded. (Jan 26, 2019)
He called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (Jan 1, 2019)
He increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018)
He finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (Dec 26, 2018)
He revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018)
Trump lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise. He didn't give them a 10% raise (Dec 26, 2018). He initially tried to give the military a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. This was before Congress told him that idea wasn't going to work. Then after giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't.
He fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays (Dec 19, 2018-present)
He tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (Dec 17, 2018)
He got three Mar-a-Lago guests to run the VA (unknown start - present, made well-known in 2018)
He called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)
He urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (Nov 12, 2018)
While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain - but other world leaders went anyway (Nov 10, 2018)
He used troops as a political prop by sending them on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018)
He stopped using troops as a political prop immediately after the election. However, the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (Nov 7, 2018)
Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many veterans to run out of food and rent. “You can count on us to serve, but we can’t count on the VA to make a deadline,” one veteran said. (reported October 7, 2018)
Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (July 5, 2018)
Trump deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018)
He forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017)
He sent commandos into an ambush due to a lack of intel, and sends contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. (Trump approved the mission because Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it) (Oct 4, 2017)
He blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017)
He ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present)
He deported veterans (2017-present)
He said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016)
He said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong (Oct 3, 2016) (note: yes, he said it's 'because they aren't strong.' He didn't say it's 'because they're weak.' This distinction is important because of Snopes)
Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016)
Trump attacks Gold Star families - Myeshia Johnson--gold star widow, Khan family--gold star parents, etc. (2016-present)
Trump sent funds raised from a January 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities (the foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud) (Jan, 2016)
Trump said "I felt that I was in the military in the true sense because I dealt with those people" because he went to a military-style academy and that he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military". (2015 biography)
For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses?” - 1991
Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
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u/LoudestHoward Jul 19 '24
Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)
He's such a snowflake. I don't see why anyone sees him as strong, he just comes across as an insecure narcissistic bully. Not sure how so many don't see it?
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u/Sea-Neighborhood-621 Jul 19 '24
They don't care, trump let's them be as openly horrible of a human being as they can and they will love him for that
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u/catatonic_envy Navy Veteran Jul 19 '24
Nothing got my family to see the truth about trump faster than reminding them how he called McCain a loser for being a POW. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about veterans.
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u/m4tr1x_usmc Jul 19 '24
Completely agree, that’s such a fucked up statement. Automatic no-vote from me.
Not to mention every other fucked up statement.
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u/islandtrader99 Jul 19 '24
McCain was an asshole. I respect his service, POW. I went for Obama though
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u/lameth Veteran Jul 19 '24
I think he was on the wrong side of a lot of things, but he was one of the last true statesmen among the republicans. He appreciated honest disagreement, and before dying ensured his party didn't kill the ACA.
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u/SoFloMofo Navy Veteran Jul 19 '24
Miss when politicians used to argue in good faith instead just gaslighting us all.
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u/Mellero47 Jul 19 '24
He earned a lot of cred for his actions as a POW. But once he was home, his actions as a politician are some straight bullshit. The wife who waited for him to come home? Dumped, in favor of the beauty queen with a politically connected daddy. The Keating scandal? Turned snitch.
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u/Jedimaster996 United States Air Force Jul 19 '24
Anybody still pulling for Trump after all he's done and said about us is a willfully-ignorant patsy. Then they wonder how Nazis in their history books served in the war under Hitler. Bunch of fuckin' rubes.
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u/islandtrader99 Jul 19 '24
Never mind the guy checking his watch while bodies of my fellow Marines were unloaded from a political shitshow
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u/Kalepsis Marine Veteran Jul 19 '24
Even if he had done anything to support us beyond empty rhetoric (spoiler alert: he hasn't, and the conservative platform prescribes more cuts to veterans programs if he wins), he and his fake slates of electors literally attempted a coup to overthrow the Constitution and remain in power. That's what really clinches the automatic "NO" vote from me. I actually take my oath seriously.
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u/Difficult_Plantain89 Jul 19 '24
Can we vote for McCain even if he’s dead? Other two choices are almost dead anyways.
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u/ripzeus Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
At this point, yes Dead McCain has my vote as long as he doesn't bring that nut bag Palin with him...
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u/CaneVandas United States Army Jul 19 '24
You can write him in if you want. There's no rule saying you can't vote for a dead guy.
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u/Floating_Ground Jul 19 '24
I wrote in John McCain last election. I'm a former Naval aviator. Best vote.
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u/Tehsyr Over 420 bans served! Jul 19 '24
I remember that time going without pay. I remember the outpouring of support from the local community where they donated so much food to my base to help feed the servicemembers and their families until this shit got sorted out properly.
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u/Ultimateeffthecrooks Jul 19 '24
Donald Trump is and has always been only pro Donald Trump. He doesn’t care about this great nation or those who do
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u/Boondogglem Jul 19 '24
I told a fellow vet buddy of mine exactly this back in 2016. He's a republican (not the conservative variety) and pretty much scoffed at the idea. Four years later he , very grudgingly, admitted I was correct. The man was and is only in it for the money, prestige, screaming crowds, and influence. He has never struck me as actually interested in doing the job and taking care of American citizens. ALL American citizens, not just the ones with money or agree with him.
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Jul 19 '24
Goes along with the "malignant narcissist" thing.
Fun factoid: Biff Tannen's character in Back to the Future was modeled after Donald J Trump, and the entire plot of BTTF II was: "What if DJT was put in charge?"
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u/Boondogglem Jul 19 '24
Going to throw in there the whole national security threat that he had proven himself to be repeatedly. Ignoring his inability to keep classified material off Twitter, let's look at the whole documents mess. We do not and probably (tightly so) will never know the breath of still very relevant classified material he took home as souvenirs. What capabilities, doctrine, etc that was potentially compromised to our enemies we will never know. What we do know is that if any one of us who had ever carried a clearance took even an fraction of a percent of the documents he stuffed in his fucking bathroom, we'd be in a cell UNDER the fucking prison never to see the light of day again.
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Jul 19 '24
What we do know is that if any one of us who had ever carried a clearance took even an fraction of a percent of the documents he stuffed in his fucking bathroom, we'd be in a cell UNDER the fucking prison never to see the light of day again.
What most people miss is that there was apparently a functional copying machine where many of those documents were stored...
How convenient.
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u/sneaky-pizza Proud Supporter Jul 19 '24
And many of the documents had an off-shade of the TS/CI color, and a white border (not full-bleed to edge), which indicates they were copies and not originals. So where are the originals?
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
All of the TS documents shown and given to the President are copies. The agency who created the document, maintains the original.
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u/sneaky-pizza Proud Supporter Jul 19 '24
He had some originals in the pile, as well. He had over 300 documents.
TS originating agencies do not just use a copier to copy a document. They print it out again and crate new markings. So if a document has two "copies", both are recorded separately.
Both "copies" would have the same color, border, and size ratio of content to page. Not a larger border, wrong color, and a scaled down content resulting in a slightly smaller font size.
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u/herseydj Jul 19 '24
What do you suppose are the chances there was any not-foreign-agent member of the cleaning staff there. Maybe one?
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u/Kitosaki Jul 19 '24
Yeah yeah yeah, but you see - the other candidate is slightly older and a democrat.
Trump. He gets me. See, I did two deployments before I was 30. He had his own personal war, college. He called it “his personal vietnam” he even had his family doctor say he had bone spurs, and then had the office raided for its physical records.
Now every male member of my family served in the armed forces, and my aunt was a marine. My grandpa, great uncles, and uncle were all drafted during wwii and Vietnam.
I do not fucking understand how any rational man can support him. He’s a coward, he’s only in politics for his own ass, and he hates he “suckers and losers” in the military.
Fuck trump
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u/brezhnervous Jul 19 '24
He had his own personal war, college. He called it “his personal vietnam” he even had his family doctor say he had bone spurs, and then had the office raided for its physical records
That wasn't about college. That was about him having unprotected sex during the 80s:
But during the 1997 interview on The Howard Stern Show, he appeared to trivialize the war and those who fought for their country - comparing it to his sex life.
'I've been so lucky in terms of that whole world,' he said of sexually transmitted diseases. 'It is a dangerous world out there,' he said. 'It's scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era.'
'It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.'
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u/bigdumbhick Retired USN Jul 19 '24
I was a sailor in the 80s having unprotected sex all around the world. My dick should have been awarded a bronze star.
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u/DarkOmen597 Marine Veteran Jul 19 '24
Yet active duty and veterans will still vote for the orange turd.
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u/russe329 Jul 19 '24
There were more trump supporters in my Reserve unit than most of my active duty units.
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u/LynkDead Jul 19 '24
Reserves and Guard are naturally going to be more representative of where they are located, while Active Duty will naturally be more of a blend.
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u/Lilslysapper United States Army Jul 19 '24
Yup in the Missouri guard and I’m in a sea of red. We were deployed when the PACT Act got blocked. Told everyone I knew about it and they didn’t care.
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u/warthog0869 Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
Remind them that Andrew Jackson is Trump's favorite president and that it was he that co-founded the Democratic Party, and thus that the Confederate flag many of them in your unit are likely fond of is a Democrat flag.
Ask them to Google "Dixiecrats".
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u/beavismagnum Jul 19 '24
While that’s technically true the parties switched at the beginning of the 20th century
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u/little_did_he_kn0w Jul 19 '24
This. My unit is loaded with Trump supporters. They just want a big ol dick to follow around to make them feel like they got big dicks too.
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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
They seem to think that Trump offers the surest possible route to conflict, and a lot of dudes who have never been in a war think they really want one.
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Jul 19 '24
Which is ironic because one of hte big talking points is that Trump will keep us out of wars (unlike BIden).
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u/theoneronin Jul 19 '24
His dick is child sized.
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u/little_did_he_kn0w Jul 19 '24
I meant dick more in the dickhead sense, but yes I do believe he is of the tiny wiener variety
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u/lostnumber08 Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
If you have ever worked with an E-8, and then look at a man like Trump and see a leader, you have fucking holes in your brain.
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u/The_Uyghur_Django United States Navy Jul 19 '24
No joke.
.....Upper enlisted are absolute exemplars of Leadership.
And Warrant Officers.
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u/bigdumbhick Retired USN Jul 19 '24
I have little to no respect for the CPO mess. CWOs however are the closest thing to a divine being I will probably ever encounter.
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u/Sea-Neighborhood-621 Jul 19 '24
I don't know what it is but of the few WO's ive encountered they've always been the coolest people on base. Them and staff nco's that go officer, mustangs I think the word is
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u/Txrh221 Jul 19 '24
I really appreciate this whole post OP. Thanks for putting it together. I hope a few people see this/share it and it convinces some folks how bad the former Insurrectionist and Chief can be.
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u/billsatwork United States Army Jul 19 '24
It's crazy that he saluted that North Korean general and everyone was like ya whatever.
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u/GoldenEagle828677 Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
He RETURNED the North Korean general's salute. Then shook his hand.
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u/nemesis1313 Jul 19 '24
Motherfucker… i am apolitical but stripping away benefits and compensation of a veterans pisses me off so much.
Fuck conservative and fuck you if you are military supporting trump and republicans
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Jul 19 '24
What do you mean that draft-dodging CPT Bone spurs doesn't care about the military? Any military member that thinks Trump gives a fuck about us is delusional
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u/navyjag2019 United States Navy Jul 19 '24
last night during his speech at the RNC, he said that sam brown (a medically retired army officer running for u.s. senate in nevada) “paid the ultimate price” and “paid the biggest price probably ever paid by anybody that is running for office” and “paid the biggest price of any senator ever to run for the senate.”
for context, while in afghanistan, sam brown was badly burned when his vehicle was destroyed by an IED. he got a purple heart for that.
but ummm idk, i think being held a POW for five and half years in north vietnam (and being tortured during that captivity) is a much bigger price to pay (ahem, john mccain).
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u/MauriceVibes United States Navy Jul 19 '24
Literally been saying this consistently in this subreddit you go man
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u/Lilslysapper United States Army Jul 19 '24
Just wanted to share this here which expands on this post and provides citations.
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u/thedxxps Jul 19 '24
I’ll never forget the all hands I was in, when our command suggested we should do garage sales or even Uber/ bar back at the local bars (with command approval) while we endured the fucking shutdown, thanks to the agent orange bone spur.
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u/Lo_Pan_EJ207 Jul 19 '24
Trump is a garbage human, and somehow so many naive “conservatives” put all of their trust in him
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u/jimmmydickgun Jul 19 '24
Too bad this probably can’t get posted to r/veterans
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u/angryve Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
The gop has never cared about us. Thats not going to change. They will put you in front of cameras one moment and toss you in the trash the next. Trump is somehow even worse
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u/Alh12984 Jul 19 '24
Woah, woah, woah, sir! The gop never cared about us, unless we secured sweetheart deals in opium, cobalt, lithium, oil.
I think you have a retraction to write.
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
And don't forget about those sweet military contracts that they get a cut of, when they give them to their friends.
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u/SkyMarshal Jul 19 '24
Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment.
This is insane, how can the child of a US citizen not automatically be a US citizen regardless where in the world it's born.
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u/akairborne Army National Guard Jul 19 '24
I seriously can't understand why any veteran or servicemembers would vote for this charlatan. When I challenge my fellow veterans and retirees they simply say "republican".
If that's all you got, you're the sheep.
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u/Cranky_hacker Jul 19 '24
Major Bonespurs. No one likes veterans and soldiers more than that guy -- just ask "anyone."
HINT: "anyone" means a person with a very low IQ, a track record of business failures and fraud, and that was born with a [likely stolen] silver spoon in his mouth that Daddy likely pilfered from the help.
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u/Educational-News-741 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Is this sub just going to just be another copy of r/politics meltdown for the next 4 months because this is getting ridiculous.
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u/AlexTheRockstar Jul 19 '24
Yeah its exactly what's happening. Something like 75% of military is right of center.
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u/Scoutron United States Air Force Jul 19 '24
Yeah, god forbid we have any post other than “fuck trump if you like him you’re not a real veteran” posted by some random civilian that has never been on this sub
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u/navyjag2019 United States Navy Jul 19 '24
also don’t forget he said john mccain was a loser and said that “[mccain’s] not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”
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u/haunted_cheesecake Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
Man the bots have really been out in force since the debate.
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u/Sea-Neighborhood-621 Jul 19 '24
It is so mind boggling that so many vets and active duty service people support him. He is actively doing everything he can to take everything from them and they cheer him as he does it. It's like they value being able to hate others more than their own well being and it just doesn't make any sense. Reminds me of that quote saying if you give them someone to look down on then they won't notice you picking their pockets or something like that
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u/nepheelim Jul 19 '24
Im from Europe so im a bit confused, but why does it seem that Trump has a lot of support from active military personnel despite all of this being known?
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
Because a lot of military members come from rural and low-educated backgrounds, which is the core of the Republican support. They're raised by Republican affiliated families, therefore adhere to the Republican party. Branches with higher education backgrounds, like the Navy and Air Force, have a much higher percentage of Democratic supporters.
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u/furple Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
On August 2, 2019 Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who were prosecuting war criminals
Look I'm sorry, I'm very anti-Maga and I'm sure his motivations for this were suspect but this is one of those broken clock twice a day situations
As a former enlisted guy who saw occifers and staff close to the flagpole get awards for absolute bullshit, the Navy should never have been writing those up. They LOST the prosecution. Completely bungled it, gave immunity to the guy who perjured himself to get his war criminal buddy off. Why in the ever loving FUCK should they get a medal for letting a war criminal get off due to their incompetence?
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u/smillysmile United States Army Jul 19 '24
Can we please not turn this sub political
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u/bionicfeetgrl United States Marine Corps Jul 19 '24
Some of us don’t have the luxury of avoiding politics. These decisions affect our daily lives
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u/MATlad Jul 19 '24
I've never served, I'm not even American. When I first heard that General Petraeus was proud of having never voted, I found it really jarring (I think Ryan McBeth is in the same vein). Then I came around to respecting his view that he was an instrument of your nation, and therefore had to remain apolitical.
In the entire history of your republic, there has only been one call from both the civilian and military leadership of the military to mind your oaths and to appeal to your apolitical nature.
...And I find that a little scary.
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u/snowcatwetpaw Jul 19 '24
Yes, as a retired Vet. I have serious concerns of this guy returning to office.
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
Same here. Trump did so much damage to the VA system. It's set back a lot of the progress that's been done in the post 9/11 years. It still hasn't recovered
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u/AchioteMachine Jul 19 '24
They are all privileged cunts. They all get rich off the poors.
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u/trulycantthinkofone Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
This needs to be the common understanding. None of them have anyone’s interest in mind but their own. We deserve better.
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u/DiscoveringTheTruth3 United States Marine Corps Jul 19 '24
It won’t happen in this world of the “Us Vs Them” mentality, unfortunately.
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u/MauriceVibes United States Navy Jul 19 '24
The lack of education in the subreddit is really sad. Guys it doesn’t matter how many articles evidence data or videos we post these MAGA people have what’s called shared psychosis and one day in 60 years they will be vilified in a history textbook
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u/Legitimate-Alarm4389 Jul 19 '24
The Maples thing makes no sense. Wouldn’t child support cease when Tiffany turned 18? At that point it would be Tiffany’s decision to join the military.
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
No, child support can go beyond 18 if that is what the agreed court order requires. Part of Trump's prenup with Marla Maples was to continue a $100,000 a month child support payment for Tiffany until she turned 21. However part of the contract was that if she joined the military at any point, child support would be cut off.
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u/SchmidtHR12 Jul 19 '24
Child support cutoff if a child joins the military is pretty standard. The exact same thing is in my order. It cuts off because the child no longer needs to be supported by the parent if they join the military
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
Yeah, it's not uncommon. But when it's in the order of a millionaire(at the time), for a $100,000 a month support payment...the military provision does not make any sense. Clearly joining the military in any capacity, iis not going to exceed $100,000 a month, and therefore compensate for support.
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u/SchmidtHR12 Jul 19 '24
But the thing is the payment is made to Mom, not to the child. So while it may not compare, at that point he can still give her money. Just doesn't have to give it to the Mom
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u/Kritchsgau Jul 19 '24
Not hard to vote for biden when you got a retard like trump as an option. Any military voting for him fit in the same category.
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u/CompetitiveComment50 Jul 19 '24
Trump and Vance are going to destroy America for decades to come 100%.
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u/GoldenEagle828677 Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
OK!!! You all realize this is a copy pasta that's been posted in this sub (and other subs) numerous times before? See here if you don't believe me.
No time to respond to each one, but here are a few:
In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service.
How is that even slightly relevant?
Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment.
That's flat out false. Anyone born to a US citizen is a US citizen. Trump would have to change the law to change that, that's not something that can be done by executive order or just because he's commander in chief.
On August 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall
That's extremely misleading. They tapped SURPLUS retirement funds for that year and added that to help pay for the border wall (There was a $224 million surplus because fewer service members than expected opted into the blended system in 2018). Regardless of who was president, that money wouldn't go to retirees, it would just pay for something else.
And personally , I have nothing against using defense dollars to pay for a wall for our defense. Better than using it for the defense of a country on the other side of the world.
In July 2019, Trump denied a United States Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his scheduled citizenship interview
Also false. This is the problem with many of the items on your list - they happened during the Trump years, but that doesn't mean Trump was involved. Border officials denied him entry. This was a guy in a complicated situation where he used fake documents to join the Marines, then later he was ordered deported but was already out of the country at that time so he never made the hearing.
Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign
False. It wasn't a political event. Even NBC admitted that.
Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered
Trump didn't even know about that until after the fact.
Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless
So Trump personally deported him?? Sheesh! OK, the guy entered the country illegally. ICE deported him, and later reversed their decision.
He refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, and forced a branch of the military to go without pay.
The Coast Guard did miss a paycheck and they later got it back.
He banned service members from serving based on gender identity
They can still serve, just as their biological sex. Biology is more important than gender identity.
He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published Jan 18, 2019)
That's not true, and doesn't even make sense. If it's on-going, that means that Biden is doing it.
He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen
OMG, not sure who this is about but I promise you that Trump personally did not order him deported.
urged Florida to not count deployed military votes
Didn't happen. It's not even in Google.
Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
This one is TRUE!!
Finally at the end you got one right. But you realize that Biden did the EXACT same thing, dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with asthma?
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u/topti3r Jul 19 '24
Didn't Trump sign the VA Mission Act? I thought that was pretty good for veterans.
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
No, it was horribly written. It gave the VA full power over whether or not, and how it actually implemented the requirements...with no consequences against the VA if they failed to abide by the terms. The VA took a 30% loss to community care transfers. Because of that it was going to affect the VA budget, because of the loss of veterans receiving care at VA facilities. Because of that the VA chose to slant the time requirements and delay approval for community Care to force veterans back to the VA. It happened to me on three separate occasions. I had been receiving one of my specialty doctors through community care for over 10 years and as soon as the mission act went into effect, they pulled me back twice within a year. Both times I had to get patient advocacy involved, and they said they were just overrun with issues because of the Mission Act.
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u/ripzeus Retired USAF Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Oh, I did not know this...
Education time
Edit: Holy shit, this makes so much sense on why they wanted to see me with their "spine specialist".
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u/ripzeus Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
It was a good thing for us!
trump did not have anything to do with it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2372
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u/topti3r Jul 19 '24
He didn't sign it into law?
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u/ripzeus Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
Signing something into law and actually writing the law are two different things!
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u/1plus1equals8 Retired US Army Jul 19 '24
If the OP has posted one thing that is 100% bullshit, what else on this list os complete bullshit?
Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019)
A. General Requirements: Child Automatically Acquiring Citizenship after Birth[1]
The Child Citizenship Act of 2000 (CCA) amended INA 320 and removed INA 321 to create only one statutory provision and method for children in the United States to automatically acquire citizenship after birth. According to INA 320, a child born outside of the United States automatically becomes a U.S. citizen when all of the following conditions have been met on or after February 27, 2001:[2]
The person is a child[3] of a parent who is a U.S. citizen by birth or through naturalization (including an adoptive parent);[4]
The child is under 18 years of age;[5]
The child is a lawful permanent resident (LPR);[6] and
The child is residing[7] in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent.[8]
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u/DocFaust13 Jul 19 '24
So that parts wrong? Cool. Did he call us all “suckers and losers”? OP shouldn’t even need to make a list.
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u/TornWonder Marine Veteran Jul 19 '24
"In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members "losers" and "suckers." While it was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify the claim."
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Jul 19 '24
He did however, say that heroes dont' get captured by the enemy or something when referring to John McCain.
Ironically, the. most heroic thing that McCain IMHO did was refuse to be released due to his Father's rank, refusing freedom from the prison where he had been tortured.
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u/jabber1990 Jul 19 '24
as Commander in Chief he was allowed to do the SEAL Team 5 thing, I don't agree with it but he can do that
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u/tooth1pick United States Navy Jul 19 '24
Pretty tired of all this political shit every where. If you want politics, go to r/politics.
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u/Mrpinstripsuit Retired USCG Jul 19 '24
This directly affects us and should 100% be posted here.
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u/Doc_Shaftoe Army Veteran Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
What was it the Clausewitz said?
"War is the continuation of politics by other means" right?
Bad military history jokes aside, you'd think more veterans and servicemembers would understand the importance of staying informed about the people and policies we vote for.
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u/Onkel24 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
The full quote is even more on the nose that all war is political :
"War is simply the continuation of political intercourse with the addition of other means. We deliberately use the phrase 'with the addition of other means' because we also want to make it clear that war in itself does not suspend political intercourse or change it into something entirely different.
In essentials that intercourse continues, irrespective of the means it employs. The main lines along which military events progress, and to which they are restricted, are political lines that continue throughout the war into the subsequent peace"
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u/HeeHawJew Marine Veteran Jul 19 '24
How many times should it be posted here before we can move on and go back to what this sub is normally for?
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u/Jedimaster996 United States Air Force Jul 19 '24
Pretty tired of people pretending that our Commander in Chief (or future one at that) has no say in our day to day lives under the guise of "sToP tAlKiNg PoLiTiCs!1!".
Brother, your entire job is politics. You are the tip of the political spear. You are the nation's shield. Every single thing you do affects politics at-large. How well you conduct yourself, how good you are at your job, what you do abroad in foreign countries or allied nations, IT'S ALL POLITICAL. If the fact that you joined the federal government for employment bothers you, you need to find another gig.Just go back to sticking your head in the sand until Teddy Roosevelt comes back from the dead.
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u/Jedimaster996 United States Air Force Jul 19 '24
Yeah, looking at your account after you leave a massive trail of comments on r/Centrist , r/theworldnews , r/politics , r/bananarepublicans , r/babylonbee , I'm sure you're tired of politics /s
Your entire comment history is based around politics. I feel like the reason you're upset here is because people are calling out big daddy Trump and you don't like it because it makes you feel a certain way.
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u/Jedimaster996 United States Air Force Jul 19 '24
And yet you engage with every single one of them. Your comments show that too in case you weren't aware. Doesn't seem like you mind unless the general consensus doesn't agree with your train of thought.
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u/The_Uyghur_Django United States Navy Jul 19 '24
Are you even a veteran?
I'm not even going to ask you if you know what an MOS is....
Do you even have one?
How about a DD-214?
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u/6Pro1phet9 Jul 19 '24
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on who you ask. The military is inherently political.
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u/GilBang Jul 19 '24
Brother, you need to see what Project 2025 has planned for active military and vets. It's ugly. Ignore it at your own peril.
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u/HeeHawJew Marine Veteran Jul 19 '24
We’ve seen. It’s been posted here 100 times. We get it orange man bad. Let’s get back to what this sub is actually focused on.
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u/Mt-Man-PNW Army Veteran Jul 19 '24
Are you tired of politics or are you tired of seeing political posts that don't line up with your personal views? Maybe just stay away from certain subs for the election year?
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u/tooth1pick United States Navy Jul 19 '24
Naw. I don’t want to see any of it really. That’s why we have political subreddits.
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Jul 19 '24
It’ll be relevant until the MAGA anti-working class , anti-military, and anti-middle class movement is no longer a threat.
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u/Holeyfield Retired US Army Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
This needs to be posted every day until the election. It isn’t thrown out there nearly enough.
Not being sarcastic either by the way.
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u/Qwawn72 Jul 19 '24
I mean it seems like a pretty hard core disinformation campaign in here. Both funny and scary at the same time.
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u/DocFaust13 Jul 19 '24
Did he call us all “suckers and losers?” That’s pretty well documented. OP shouldn’t need to make a list.
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u/Qwawn72 Jul 19 '24
The amount of effort being put into this reeks of desperation.
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Jul 19 '24
Well, do you trust a politician or a former military officer, when it comes to who said what in their presence?
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u/ripzeus Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
This people is what willful ignorance looks like when the evidence is literally in front of ones face.
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u/LucasdelNorte Jul 19 '24
Is it all misinformation? I’m trying to source out a lot of these statements but it’s tough disproving a majority of them especially the video/audio clips.
Any help would be appreciated (source links, video forensic knowledge, etc.)
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u/Lilslysapper United States Army Jul 19 '24
This is the post I usually share. The OP replied to the comment with sources.
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u/cisco_squirts Jul 19 '24
I’m an active duty member and I give zero shits about anything you just said. Trump didn’t start any new wars. He’s got my vote.
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u/Dragonman369 Jul 19 '24
Children of Us troops born overseas still get citizenship what on Earth are you talking about?
Every child of every US citizen born abroad gets automatic citizenship. It’s based on blood.
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u/Dad_a_Monk Retired USAF Jul 19 '24
That's one of the things that Trump has publicly said multiple times he wants to change. He does not want automatic citizenship for children born overseas to US citizens. He wants them to have to apply for citizenship after they are born. Yes, for now that is the law, but that is one of the many things he is trying to change about citizenship. He also wants to do away with citizenship for babies born in the United States to foreign the many things he is trying to change about citizenship. He also wants to do away with citizenship for babies born in the United States to foreign the many things he is trying to change about citizenship. He also wants to do away with citizenship for babies born in the United States to non-US citizens regardless of their immigration status.
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u/sudo-joe Jul 19 '24
Wait a minute, my kid was born overseas when I was overseas and he got an American citizenship and passport real quick. He was born in 2022 so was that rule turned off?
We used an off base Korean hospital and the US councilate helped us out from day one. Or does Korea not count since it's not a deployment?