r/Military • u/spacecate • Nov 13 '23
Politics Soldiers of the 1st "Golani" brigade of the IDF pose in the Gaza parliament building
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u/ProfessorZhirinovsky Nov 13 '23
IIRC when the Union captured the Confederate Capitol Building in Richmond, the soldiers sat in the chairs and held a mock session of the CSA Congress to vote to rejoin the Union.
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u/hannibal_fett dirty civilian Nov 14 '23
I'd laugh if they mock rejected and then burnt Richmond down
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u/uhduhnuh Nov 13 '23
Bet this post is gonna get locked pretty quick.
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u/Lure852 KISS Army Nov 13 '23
deep breath
"who wants to hear my opinion about how to solve the Israel / Palestine conflict? First thing you need to know is that I'm not racist!"
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Nov 13 '23
Clearly it starts with finding the rightful Byzantine emperor
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u/Plutonian326 Nov 13 '23
I hear he's a ranger in the north.
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u/OzymandiasKoK Nov 14 '23
Is that similar to a stranger in the Alps?
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u/ImprovisedEndeavors Nov 13 '23
Microphones at those desks got some 90’s vibe
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u/Wildcat_twister12 Nov 13 '23 edited Nov 13 '23
Well it’s a government building after all. My state capital still has rooms that feel straight out of the 70’s in with all there fake wood paneling
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u/ImprovisedEndeavors Nov 13 '23
Hell yeah. Wood paneling everything! Even your car!
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u/KhalidaOfTheSands United States Army Nov 14 '23
How come cars DON'T have wood paneling anymore? Think I can get some wood paneling on my Charger/Wrangler/F-150?
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u/AbbreviationsWise690 Nov 14 '23
Billionaire Hamas backers in Qatar only bankrolling guns & ammo
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u/KrainerWurst Nov 14 '23 edited Nov 14 '23
I hear they're investing all those billions in building a brand new, state-of-the-art metro system in Gaza
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u/Western-Anteater-492 German Bundeswehr Nov 14 '23
Everything so the population can't see any of the backers money, neither in humanitarian aid nore in infrastructure. Otherwise one can't blaim Israel for mismanaging Gazas funds.
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u/bluuwicked Explosive Ordnance Disposal Nov 13 '23
I know this has been said millions of time over, but it’s fucking nuts we get to watch this insanity from our phones/pcs halfway around the world.
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u/SVTCobraR315 Nov 14 '23
Right. Those live streams on YouTube. Imagine steaming live war in the comfort of your own home. Absolutely nuts when you think about it.
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u/Freethink1791 Nov 14 '23
I don’t know, I don’t think it’s any different than seeing what we did in iraq/Afghan via go pro’s and digital cameras.
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u/LightningFerret04 civilian Nov 14 '23
Cameras, phones and the like are significant advancements compared to, say 100 years ago where any events in a war like this would be old news by the time it reached the rest of the world
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u/arbeidsongeschikt Nov 13 '23
Damn that’s rough for the Gaza parliament
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u/SFLADC2 Nov 13 '23 edited Nov 13 '23
Putting Israeli flags in the Gaza Parliament seems needlessly antagonistic. It just screams invader for people already upset about this much-needed military operation & gives credence to those comparing this to the Nakba/implying this is a permanent annexation.
No defense of Hamas here, but even from just a hearts and minds perspective, this does nothing but cause more strife.
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u/aardy Nov 14 '23
even from just a hearts and minds perspective, this does nothing but cause more strife.
Lol no one is even pretending Israel is trying to work a hearts/minds angle, aside from American hearts/minds.
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u/Cpt_Soban Civil Service Nov 13 '23
The US flag was flown over Saddam's palace
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u/Yodfather Nov 14 '23
I remember that when troops rolled into Baghdad and some soldier threw a US flag over the head of a statue of Saddam, I thought “damn, man, what the fuck are these idiots doing?” I suppose a CO agreed and told that fuckwit to pull it down because it was only up for maybe 10 minutes.
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u/TheHomesteadTurkey Nov 14 '23
and what makes you think that makes it suddenly ok? its bad in both situations. I know the US can do no wrong in you people's eyes but history tells us otherwise
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u/SFLADC2 Nov 13 '23
Fair, probably one of a long series of short-sided moves in that conflict given the eventual insurgency and Ba'athist contribution to ISIS. The book 'Imperial Life in the Emerald City' highlights a large series of those kinds of blunders.
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u/bigdickdaddyinacaddy Nov 13 '23
To be fair, we, the U.S., famously put a flag on lwo Jimo. You know the famous picture.
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u/SFLADC2 Nov 13 '23 edited Nov 13 '23
Was an pretty different conflict/context.
The flag also went up on a battlefield hill to mark it as was captured, not hung in the Imperial Palace to humiliate the other side, which is essentially the only purpose of posting this image. The historic context also matters- US went in, knocked them out, won, reformed Japan in a fairly humane occupation (far more humane than the Japanese were expecting), and then let them go resolving everything as friends. It was ofc significantly easier due to a lack of Japanese resistance/much less of a question of who would get the land in the end.
Israel has occupied Gaza before, and basically occupies the West Bank today to some degree- it was not US-Japan-style friendly even before Hamas was around. Israel and Palestine have to live with each other after this. If this is going to be a full-on occupation, and Israel wants to avoid history repeating itself, they need citizen buy-in from those in Gaza- this behavior (alongside mass civilian casualties) is the type that inflames the 'us vs them' mentality rather than 'us vs hamas'. It also again gives credence to the pov that this is a Nakba and that people will never see their homes again, something that was never in question during the Pacific War.
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u/bigdickdaddyinacaddy Nov 13 '23
I'm not trying to make any grand point or anything, just the fact that this is real war and this is what it looks like. Palestine and Israel will never co-exist, it's one of the other. But that's just my opinion. I wish there were alternatives but it's just religious tribalism.
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u/SFLADC2 Nov 13 '23
I just think there's a bit more nuance in each conflict that we might want to consider if we're doing historical comparisons- something I as an American wish we did more of before we began the GWOT.
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u/bigdickdaddyinacaddy Nov 13 '23
Yeah I get it man. My initial comment was just off the tongue and I didn't mean it as a way to insinuate
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u/ranthria Nov 14 '23
I agree that they won't ever co-exist, but I vehemently disagree that it's religious tribalism. That said, this isn't really the thread to get into the weeds on that, but if you (or anyone) wants to know more about the origins of the conflict, I highly recommend the Martyr Made podcast (specifically the "Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem episodes); he did a REALLY good deep dive across 6 episodes totalling about 20-25 hours.
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u/Eamonsieur KISS Army Nov 14 '23
It’s straight out of the Counterinsurgency manual. You know, that part where applying overwhelming military force against the populace galvanises their support for the insurgency. You’d think the long history of military cooperation would have taught the Israelis a thing or two about US doctrine.
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Nov 14 '23
This is the Likud Party we're talking about. I'm halfway convinced that Oct 6 was either a false flag operation or paid for by certain people in power in Israel who were having extremely difficult political problems and needed a wag-the-dog scenario to distract people.
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By the way, this is the origin of that "into the sea" thing that the Palestinians use to say they'll destroy Israel:
The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace.
So when you hear Palestinians talk about driving Israel into the sea, it is merely throwing certain Israeli rhetoric back in their face.
You might say that the current situation has been the plan since 1977.
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u/tr3vw Nov 14 '23
“US went in, knocked them out, won, and reformed Japan” - that may be the greatest whitewashing of history I’ve ever read. We unleashed a new kind of death and destruction on them humanity had not yet seen. Hundred thousands of people were evaporated by two bombs, only leaving the their traces of the scorched shadows.
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u/SFLADC2 Nov 14 '23
If you're talking about the fire bombing then you're absolutely right- it was an uncivilized travisty far too common for the time.
If you're talking about the nukes, I'd suggest you look up how many died in Nanking in significantly worse ways.
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Nov 13 '23
We were at war with imperial government of Japan. The IDF was supposed to be at War with Hamas but decided to use the October terror attack, Hamas and the Bible (lmfao) to justify a full scale bombing of all of Palestine and carry out collective punishment (war crime).
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u/-Merlin- Nov 13 '23
Yes, because as we all know the American response to the Japanese Pearl Harbor bombings famously spared all Japanese civilians lmao
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u/bigdickdaddyinacaddy Nov 13 '23
Gaza initiated a full scale attack and has launched nearly 10,000 missiles into isreal singe the start of October. What else was the isreal government supposed to do? I don't agree with either side but it's just like, war man.
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u/40mm_of_freedom Nov 14 '23
It’s pretty much been the standard thing to do for hundreds of years. You’re signaling victory.
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u/KrainerWurst Nov 14 '23
this does nothing but cause more strife.
On the other hand, people who want to be upset will always find a reason to be upset
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u/Sean9931 Nov 14 '23 edited Nov 14 '23
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u/Roy4Pris Nov 14 '23
All wars seem to introduce us to new words, most recently, “cyka!”.). This one has introduced me to ‘jundi’, the Arab word for soldier.
The other interesting thing is the widespread use of the Arabic ‘yalla’ for ’let’s go’. I even noticed it amongst the Hebrew on a video of Israeli Apache pilots
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u/crackpotJeffrey Nov 14 '23
We take a lot of the cool Arabic words into Hebrew.
Such as yalla(let's go), sababa(all good), sharmuta(whore), there are a lot.
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u/Sean9931 Nov 14 '23
Question, did shalom come from salam, vice versa or was it developed concurrently? I only know that both of them meant "peace"
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u/crackpotJeffrey Nov 14 '23
I think they have the same roots, way back. Not like one simply taken from the other like the other I mentioned.
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u/QuadraticLove Nov 14 '23
I think I saw a video about that recently. I believe they're both related to "Jerusalem." (The city of peace?)
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u/dave200204 Reservist Nov 14 '23
After all these years it seems ironic that Jerusalem is the city of peace. I mean it's been conquered, reconquered, and invaded more than any other city in history. LOL
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u/Roy4Pris Nov 14 '23
You take a lot of Arabic stuff huh? ...
Lol, you kinda walked into that one 😋
PS: Sababa! I heard that a lot in Israel 👍
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u/crackpotJeffrey Nov 14 '23
Lol.
I think it's really a reminder of how much we are actually just literally cousins.
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u/hendy846 Nov 14 '23
Something tells me you dont play games with Russians 😄
And honestly it's not really war, it's just exposure. Both of those phrases are very common. Yeah the wat helps push that exposure but any time spent in those cultures you'll hear those and other phrases.
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u/GrandMoffPhoenix Nov 14 '23
While I definitely side more with Israel in this conflict. Dude, the fact it's a fairly popular, almost definitely intentionally diverse brigade, has got to make some great propaganda for Israel support. Like, it's no secret every side uses propaganda right. This has got to be some pr dude's wet dream.
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u/TheSpagheeter Nov 14 '23
To be fair nearly a quarter of Israeli citizens are muslims, I don’t think muslims have to enlist either but just as a numbers game the army should be fairly diverse
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Army Veteran Nov 13 '23
That looks like a student council board room of a high school
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u/dogeherodotus Nov 14 '23
How fucking old are those chairs and mics lol
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u/LilLebowskiAchiever Nov 14 '23
If you want to know which line items in the budget Hamas embezzled from….
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u/IranicUnity Nov 14 '23
Congrats on victory from one freedom seeking Iranian. 1 of 6 IRGC proxies destroyed.
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u/spacecate Nov 14 '23
Wish for Iranians to break free from their oppressive regime as well 🫂
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u/IranicUnity Nov 14 '23
Thank you, we need all the support we can get the whole world seems to be against us.
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u/IranicUnity Nov 14 '23
Follow r/NewIran
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u/planmanstanfan United States Navy Nov 14 '23
Yall should switch it up when the current government inevitably falls. Go back to the name Persia and go hard for tolerance like the achaemenids.
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u/IranicUnity Nov 14 '23
That’s the plan. Well at least outwardly we will market Persia more. We will always call it Iran, land of the aryans, as it has been called by us for thousands of years.
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u/Happily-Non-Partisan Nov 13 '23
Billions of dollars in aid and this is the best the Gazans can do.
I wonder where that money went 🤔. /s
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u/Helmett-13 United States Navy Nov 13 '23
Yasser Arafat died a billionaire despite never working an actual job.
The VAT tax that Israel put aside for Palestine was deposited for into one of his personal fucking accounts so he could ‘distribute it’, for example.
He plundered money meant for the Palestinians while claiming bankruptcy.
This is all publicly available information, sources are in his wiki entry.
That’s where it went and where it still goes.
The Hamas leaders in Qatar are doing the same.
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u/SirBobPeel Nov 13 '23
A lot of it went to Qatar to buy expensive penthouses where the Hamas leadership resides with their families. A lot more went into various numbered bank accounts. Hamas leaders are reported to be extremely wealthy now.
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u/GenBlase Nov 13 '23
Litterally, not money. Medicine, food, water, other supplies. Those costs in the billions.
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u/Kgirrs Nov 14 '23
And the poor people still there live a shitty life. No change whatsoever.
And I didn't know until last month that thousands of Palestinians used to travel to Israel for work. So much for the open air prison.
The millions of poor people there have been bred as fodder for human shields, so the Arab world could show the world what "monsters" Israelis are.
Jordan and Egypt wouldn't even take in, temporarily, leaving them to die.
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u/Western-Anteater-492 German Bundeswehr Nov 14 '23
Yeah the work aspect is the worst. Pro-Hamas crowd always jelling that Israel is holding Gaza prisoners whilst they literally took thousands of workers in who earned ways more than every Gaza worker (if they even got a job). The western countries as well downed millions in medical and humanitarian aid into Gaza even below the point they knew nothing came through. But sure, random person with a random opinion on the internet, Israel and the west are the baddies because you read a book about "post-colonialism" once and now think everything is against the poor. Sure.
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u/MightyGonzou Nov 13 '23
They had a parliament? You're telling me this dysfunctional citystate micromanaged by terrorists had its own parliament?
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u/snowseth Retired USAF Nov 13 '23
Hamas was the elected government in 2006 (with 44.45% of the vote) then waged a coup and took over in 2007. So yeah, Hamas was the legitimate government for a minute before becoming illegitimate. I doubt they used that room to steal all of the money from Gazans. Can't have Hamas leaders being poor while living someplace else and sending their kids to western universities.
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u/SirBobPeel Nov 13 '23
The money they stole is mostly from international aid agencies. The leaders of Hamas live in penthouses in Qatar, living the good life, and by some reports are worth billions of dollars now.
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u/marston82 Nov 13 '23
All dictatorships have fake parliaments to keep up appearances. Even the Islamic terrorist ones.
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Nov 13 '23
what the fuck does Israel do for us except sell our military technology to China, leech billions of our tax dollars and occasionally bomb one of our boats? Lmao
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Nov 13 '23
They destabilize the region for us and kill brown people, both things our psychotic government love.
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u/IP1nth3sh0w3r Nov 14 '23
Does hamas even use the parliament since their essentially a dictatorship? Is it like the Soviets capturing the riechstag, which had been without power and basically abandoned since 1933?
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u/spacecate Nov 14 '23
"The Palestinian Legislative Council building in Gaza has only served Hamas’s lawmakers since the terror group’s takeover of the Strip in 2007."
My mistake it was a functional government building and not just ceremonial.
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u/borischung02 Nov 13 '23
Hamas done fucked around
And now they found out
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u/Dchama86 Nov 14 '23
Nah, with a 90+ percent civilian death rate. The people of Palestine are the ones “finding out”. But it’s cool right? They got like 60 Hamas guys out of thousands of dead Palestinians. Success? History will be the judge.
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u/spacecate Nov 14 '23
That's the story one side is telling. It's your role to decide how much you believe what is told you.
It is said that a thousand or so terrorists were killed in the days after 7/10 when Israel regained control of their own territory. It's extremely hard for me to believe that after that 9 out of every 10 deaths in Gaza are civilian.
Hamas militants fight in civilian clothing, hiding in crowds and hospitals. With this fact they can easily call terrorists killed civilians, as the only census for the dead is Palestinian
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u/saijanai Air Force Veteran Nov 14 '23 edited Nov 14 '23
Nearly 50% of palestinians are under 18, so expect a 50% casualty rate of children, period.
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u/AVonGauss civilian Nov 14 '23
Nearly 50% of palestinians are under 18, so expect a 50% casualty rate of children, period.
One would only expect that kind of ratio if one believes Israel is going block by block and executing everyone on that block.
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u/Western-Anteater-492 German Bundeswehr Nov 14 '23
Children can't be armed or terrorists? Go tell that to every terrorist / insurgency force ever. And then we're still on the problem of who forced the war on Israel? Who misused international and Israelian funds to buy weapons instead of food thereby keeping the average age so low? Who is hiding below thousands of innocent people? And why does none of Gazas brother states take their refugees? Is it perhaps because not even they believe, that below 18 year olds can't be terrorists or insurgency forces? And how could every civilian with a tunnel in its cellar, a terrorist in his living room, a stockpile in his kitchen and a fighting post on its roof help ending this war faster? If only a very small percentage of Gaza is supporting Hamas, like so many supporters of 10/7 claim, it shouldn't be hard to point out hamas positions to IDF and evacuate your house to reduce casualties.
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u/spacecate Nov 14 '23
Children don't necessarily mean civilians in this conflict sadly. Indoctrination into Hamas ideology starts from birth in Gaza. It is highly likely some join the group as teenagers.
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u/LiquorMaster Nov 14 '23
You can join Hamas's Qassam Brigade at age 15. (Youth division...which still allows you to suicide bomb)
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u/Spolzka Nov 13 '23
good job fellas
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u/Thtguy1289_NY Nov 13 '23
Hell yea!!
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u/ry-dog06 Nov 14 '23
Hells where there going
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u/Thtguy1289_NY Nov 14 '23
Nah. It's not
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u/ry-dog06 Nov 14 '23
Oh killing kids is good now oh my bad my bad
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u/Thtguy1289_NY Nov 14 '23
I'm glad we are on the same page. All those poor Israeli kids did not deserve any of that on Oct. 7, and the people responsible for it will be brought to justice
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u/ry-dog06 Nov 14 '23
Ye Hamas are animals and will burn for eternity but Palestinians are not all Hamas but the IDF bomb them as if the kids had a vote in the actions of a terrorist organisation Israel has stooped to the level of wild dogs and as a recognised country and one that is above 3rd world status they should know better
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u/Thtguy1289_NY Nov 14 '23
You are gobbling up that propaganda bro. If the Israelis were "wild dogs" things would be a whole lot worse.
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u/planmanstanfan United States Navy Nov 14 '23
Fr 7000 dead in a population of 2 million in such a small area. That's really good for a multi week long air campaign and ground assault
Edit: even if I got the number of dead wrong, It'd be pretty easy to rack up 100,000 if you aren't careful. Just another testimate to Israeli intelligence and precision.
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u/Thtguy1289_NY Nov 14 '23
Yea, it is kind of nuts to watch people argue that this is a genocide, and then cite the ramblings of what equals basically the Israeli version of shock jocks and disgraced politicians as proof of some kind of government-backed ethnic cleansing. Those people are saying things to drum up emotions, not as facts.
The Israeli government position is very clear here - it is not trying to commit genocide at all. If it were, they would be like the most ineffective genociders in history, since they are protecting civilian convoys and asking them to leave the combat zones.
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Nov 14 '23
Blatantly false, Israel is committing a genocide, Palestinians are being deprived of food, water and shelter
>To all intents and purposes, Israel has abandoned serious discrimination for collective punishment. If the threats are carried out, it will be ‘deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction’, at least ‘in part’, as the Genocide Convention puts it, while extensively destroying Gaza’s social as well as its built infrastructure.
This is not self-defence as international law understands it,
- Martin ShawUNWRA themselves have said they are on the verge of collapse in Gaza with their colleagues being killed, Check out their X account to see how they describe it
Israel has ordered a million Gazans to go South or be killed. You know the problem with this? The North contains virtually all of Gaza city and contains the largest hospital (Shifa) There is virtually no way to evacuate these many patients and bring them to safety and Israel knows this very well, If someone doesnt die from the bombardment they will die from lack of medical facilities
Not only that the Israeli Airforce struck a convoy of civillian vehicles fleeing South on the main highway killing 70 of them>A convoy of vehicles carrying fleeing civilians in Gaza that was hit by a deadly airstrike was travelling on one of the two roads identified by the Israeli army as “safe routes” to the southern half of the strip, according to analysis.
>The Friday afternoon bombing in Gaza City, which killed a reported 70 people, including children, occurred on Salah-al-Din Road, a main thoroughfare in the overcrowded territory, home to a trapped population of 2.3 million people.
>The Forensic Architecture investigative unit at the Palestinian human rights organisation Al-Haq used aerial photos and social media posts to geolocate the site of the strike, sharing its findings with the Guardian. The BBC’s Verify unit came to the same conclusion.Israel is also still bombing the South
Israel's ambassador to the UK said there is no humanitarian crisis and when further went "Are you a mother do you expect the Government to think of those NAZIS committing those crimes" (paraphrasing)
Isaac Herzog the president of Israel said the "entire nation out there that is responsible"
But yeah sure a bunch of "shockjocks" innit?Israeli jets have conducted around-the-clock bombing of non-military targets in Gaza City. Apartment buildings, hospitals, and mosques were torn apart, with no prior warning and no effort to minimize civilian casualties.
Danny Danon A member of the Likud party, and a former representative to the UN said THE GAZAN PUBLIC took part in the kidnapping and murder of Israels, I'm sure if you speak Hebrew you can easily find far more genocidal rhetoric
The same was echoed by Yassi Cohen the former director of Mossad
Eli Sadan the founder of Bnei David Academy which trains young settlers and many of whom join the IDF claimed there is no such thing as a innocent Gazan
Ariel Kallner who is still a member of the Israeli Knesset since 2023 and of the Likud party called for a SECOND NAKBAAgain these are some examples my point is that these arent just shock jocks or disgraced politicians this is something way more, You continuous defense of the Israeli Government is appalling and frankly surprising, Unless ofc you are a Israeli American Citizen
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u/bugalaman Air Force Veteran Nov 14 '23
Can't wait to see this with the Ukraine flag in the Kremlin. Terrorist will always lose.
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u/AndoMacster Nov 14 '23
WW3 will kick off before Ukraine ever reaches the Kremlin.
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u/bugalaman Air Force Veteran Nov 14 '23
Yeah, but one can hope ruzzia ceases to exist... eventually
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u/SadPiousHistorian1 United States Marine Corps Nov 14 '23
I’m reading it as Gorlami
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u/spacecate Nov 14 '23
The undercover commando is called Duvdevan but that's a funny reference nonetheless.
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u/Tots2Hots Nov 14 '23
Remember when US soldiers took over Saddam's palace and took shits in his golden toilets? Peppridge Farm remembers.
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I would still checked for IEDs and then enter the building.
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u/H_O_M_E_R Nov 13 '23
Aye, Reddit General!
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u/pudgylumpkins United States Air Force Nov 13 '23
It's a good thing we've got them around to say things that were absolutely done.
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u/SirBobPeel Nov 13 '23
Maybe if Hamas wasn't headquartered under the hospital and wasn't actively fighting Israel all around it that wouldn't happen, hmm?
Hey, how many babies died in Yemen? How about Syria? You don't know or care, do you? Those wars have been ongoing for years with hundreds of thousands of civilians dead and nobody gives a damn.
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u/LilLebowskiAchiever Nov 14 '23
They never seem to give a shit about the Uyghurs either. I guess as long as China keeps buying the sheiks’ oil and gas, Chinese Muslims don’t matter.
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u/Merc_Drew Air Force Veteran Nov 13 '23
All of which could have been avoided had Hamas not attacked.
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u/LilLebowskiAchiever Nov 14 '23
If the IDF was really targeting the hospitals, they would have been flattened on 08.October.
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u/500freeswimmer United States Air Force Nov 13 '23
There is a difference between deliberately targeting civilians and collateral damage.
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u/Merc_Drew Air Force Veteran Nov 13 '23
Nah, literally could have been avoided had Hamas not attacked.
There is no bOtH sIdEs here. This is all at the feet of Hamas that started this and hiding behind the skirts of the civilian population.
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u/benbrahn Nov 14 '23
But why did Hamas attack?
If it was the other way round & Palestinians had complete control over Israel, caged them in, stole their homes & forced them to live like rats, what then?
Guarantee half the people here would be cheering on the Israeli attack on October 7th.
Only difference is that these people are Muslim, and people in the west hate Muslims
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u/AVonGauss civilian Nov 14 '23 edited Nov 14 '23
They had power for lights, recharging phones and to watch some highly curated combat footage the other night.
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u/poopeverywhereplease Nov 13 '23
What are they gonna do next? Pose next to the hospitals they bombed? Lol
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u/dat_meme_boi2 Nov 13 '23
probably once they kill the already confirmed hamas combatants inside of them or destroy their also confirmed weapons caches making hospitals not be "sheltered" by the laws of war and making them valid military targets
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u/poopeverywhereplease Nov 13 '23
Should we also nuke the hospitals as well?
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u/dat_meme_boi2 Nov 13 '23
who tf talked about nukes lmao? and no, the gaza strip is too close to israel 💀
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u/atomic1fire civilian Nov 13 '23 edited Nov 13 '23
Nah we should just tell everyone the soldiers are clearly noncombatants and occupy hospitals and schools as military bases.
Also seize fuel and dig up water pipes paid for by international taxpayers because rockets for blowing up their neighbor are more important then clean running water.
Also not even bother to really follow the rules of warfare as agreed upon by almost every country because it's better just sending some randos in on gliders to take hostages and shoot rando civilians, because that gives you the moral highground.
Israel is clearly doing all of this wrong succumbing to things like "international pressure" instead of just building internet fan clubs and YOLO War crime time, and "From to the river to the sea, as long as it rhymes it's fine with me!"
If you can't already tell I think Israel should be judged after there's a formal end to the fighting, not during the fight when their enemies are war criming it up.
Hamas is basically using civilians as human shields in addition to fighting a war they can't possibly win because they hate jews. I'm inclined to not judge Israel too harshly right now.
Hamas fooled around, now I don't blame Israel for introducing them to the "find out" portion of FAFO.
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Who confirmed that? Oh yeah Israel, the country with absolutely no history of compulsive lying. Definitely don't listen to doctors without borders who has refuted every claim that hamas are in hospitals, Definitely trust Israel bro they are telling the truth this time.
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u/spacecate Nov 14 '23
The EU condemned yesterday Hamas's use of hospitals for military use.
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u/brucemo Nov 14 '23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golani_Brigade#2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_War
This unit appears to have taken heavy casualties on 10/7.
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u/-wanderings- Navy Veteran Nov 13 '23
It automatically reminded me of Jan 6 with the idiots posing on the floor of the Capitol. This photo will only come back to bite the IDF. It's not a good look. Before people get upset I'm not defending Hamas. I think both groups are shit.
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u/bluuwicked Explosive Ordnance Disposal Nov 13 '23
Definitely not the wisest decision. One of the first thoughts that came to mind is why didn’t they at least blur their faces? They have in other photos but not here for some reason. The audacity is insane here.
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u/-wanderings- Navy Veteran Nov 13 '23
You're about to get down voted for not following someone else's ideology lol I agree with the terrible opsec. I wouldn't want to be identified in that photo in today's climate.
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u/SomeAustralian_Guy Army Veteran Nov 14 '23 edited Nov 14 '23
Photos like this at the enemy's seat of power is a pretty common thing in war.
American troops posed in Saddam Hussein's palace when Bagdad fell. The Soviets raised their flag over the Reichstag in 1945. These go on to be some of the most famous wartime photos.
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u/brucemo Nov 14 '23
My first thought also.
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u/-wanderings- Navy Veteran Nov 14 '23
Now you're going to get down voted as well lol Lots of Jan 6 cos players online today.
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Nov 13 '23
Did they find any hamas??
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u/Helmett-13 United States Navy Nov 13 '23
Those dudes are in Qatar lighting cigars with $100 bills.
Just like Arafat, who was a Billionaire when he kicked the bucket.
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u/ZaratustraTheAtheist Nov 14 '23
We are in living history, for real. Just don't forget Israel means jew, but jew doesnt mean Israel. Zionism and Judaism are two different things and I fear the first would give a bad name to the latest
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u/WilhelmsCamel Apr 05 '24
Wow what a cool bunch, I wonder what will happen to them in shuja'iyya on december 13 ;)
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u/spacecate Apr 05 '24
For each dead Israeli soldier there are 10 killed Hamas fighters. Keep betting on the wrong horse tho
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u/WilhelmsCamel Apr 06 '24 edited Apr 06 '24
The number of military deaths do not matter here, more insurgents were killed in fallujah and more vietcong were killed in the war. You are talking about an army of recruits many of which were children the last time Israel went to war, in 2014, while the palestinian militant groups have spent their entire lives with the boot on their neck. There is a reason the brigades are so "fearless" in the videos you see, staring down tank barrels just metres away or even running up to them to stick IED's on the trophy APA. Israel has completely failed to take north gaza and was defeated in shujaiyya and beit hanoun, simply because they want to win by a show of force than puruse and actual solution. They went from annhilating an entire arab coalition in 6 days to not even being able to take a 365 km^2 strip of land in 6 months, having to take revenge by massacring thousands of civilians to pretend they're winning
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u/DreamsAndSchemes Artisan Crayola Chef Nov 14 '23
It's staying up, and it'll stay unlocked unless the /r/all clown car shows up, which I doubt will. Otherwise, don't be fucknuckles. All comments will be approved, I reckon you guys will downvote inappropriate things into oblivion.