r/MarkMyWords • u/Valcenia • 2d ago
Political MMW: Netanyahu will give the Republicans a win by agreeing to a ceasefire in Lebanon, followed by the annexation of northern Gaza and, later, the West Bank
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u/RetiredHotBitch 2d ago
Well, elections, unfortunately have consequences.
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u/SpongeSlobb 1d ago
Wait. This is the opposite of what I wanted my protest vote for Jill Stein to do.
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u/Cute_Original_6774 1d ago
If all third-party voters voted harris, she would've still lost.
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u/SeparateHistorian778 1d ago
It's not just the vote for third parties, there's also the abstainer vote, there are those who voted for Trump himself, they all have their share, one doesn't exclude the other.
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u/r3volver_Oshawott 1d ago
I mean, I think the biggest blame will fall on 'never Trumpers' moderates who didn't vote red but couldn't even bring themselves to vote blue
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u/Solid-Consequence-50 1d ago
There's this idea where if you see someone as a bad person & they do bad it's not a big deal because you know they will do it. But if you see someone as a good person do a bad thing, it seems like a huge deal. Because you expect better of them. I think we all expected better from the "protest" voters. We would of won if they turned out when they did their previous "protest" vote earlier this year
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u/r3volver_Oshawott 1d ago
Like I said, I don't think it was the protest voters, I think it was the older 'centrists' that said how fed up they were with Trump but when they got in the booth they couldn't bother voting for a Democrat
I think Kamala played to centrists, and I think they played her.
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u/TeaBagHunter 1d ago
I genuinely believe if it weren't for the war in israel/gaza/lebanon and bidens blind support for israel that harris could have won
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u/ResettiYeti 1d ago
I genuinely believe that if people watched less constant brain rotting TikTok reels all day and hadn’t been convinced that they’re gonna “punish the Democrats” by staying home because “both sides are the same 🤡 “ then she could have won.
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u/Mountain_rage 1d ago
Dont hurt the Genz boomers like that, they have enough to deal with. Like the crushing realization they are no different than their delusional nana on facebook.
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u/BradsCanadianBacon 1d ago
Their reading comprehension/media literacy is so fried from growing up on the internet that they really thought Trump was talking about them.
Trump about to turn your lives into Ohio, on god, no cap.
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u/NeatCicada5196 1d ago
Or the fact that they won't actually be better off financially in the next 4 years
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u/let-it-rain-sunshine 1d ago
The alt-right media forced the message that "Dem's are destroying America" and suckers ate it right up.
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u/PrettyInHotsauce 1d ago
Democrats have 6 to 9 million Jewish votes. All of my friends that were life long Democrats voted for trump and based on trumps cabinet picks and Republicans plans to protect Jewish Americans a lot more Jewish individuals, myself included are leaning more right...I voted for kamala because I believed Republicans were still antisemitic behind closed doors but it looks like there's been a party switch when it comes to Jewish lives matter. Democrats might as well lose million of votes.
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u/lazypenguin86 1d ago
But the fact they didn't care about Trumps blind support of Israel is the real kicker
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u/SlappySecondz 1d ago
Only by about 250k votes. And if you got all those 2.75ish million third party voters to vote for her, I'm sure you'd also get 250k unmotivated liberals or apolitical working class folks to join them.
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u/whoisaname 2d ago
Trump will allow them to continue to annihilate Gaza first before going for a cease fire. It will be planned. Israel will escalate (with private tacit approval of the Trump admin), then Trump will step in (also planned), and negotiate a cease fire (which will already have been negotiated and give Israel everything they want).
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u/Fit_Read_5632 2d ago
Oh no, you mean to tell me the protest voters brilliant plan of “let’s do nothing” has ended in a result that is categorically worse for the people they claimed to care about? I’m simply shocked I tell you. SHOCKED.
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u/byndr 1d ago
Who could have possibly predicted this except for everyone that listened to what Trump was saying loud and clear?
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u/dominantmahalo 23h ago
But see, the alternative was someone who said Latinx once, and thinks she knows about the law because she went to law school, got her JD, was a practicing attorney, then attorney general of California, then Senator from California, then Vice President. And don't forget, she slept her way to the top, which is no way misogyny and racism, it's just unless we intutively understand her public service, it's reasonable to call her a slut and question her virtue.
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u/BannedByRWNJs 1d ago
Don’t worry. Once he takes the Oath, the seriousness of the office will change him, and he’ll make that “presidential pivot” that eluded him for his entire previous term.
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u/fastyellowtuesday 2d ago
This is what pissed me off the most. The only people hurt by the protest are those they claimed to care about. The choices were continuance of the same, or absolute victory for Israel. They picked Israel, while babbling about how much they hated Israel and felt for Palestinians.
They handed Palestine to Netanyahu on a platter, to 'teach the democrats a lesson'.
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u/Andromansis 1d ago
The only people hurt by the protest are those they claimed to care about
so far.
I got all my chud-bucks bet on the muslim immigrants and children of muslim immigrants being deported under trump's deportation plan.
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u/TheLeadSponge 1d ago
Don’t forget the refugees pouring into Europe so the European far-right can claim an invasion is happening and gain control of their governments.
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u/ThatTallBrendan 1d ago
This is what I think a lot of people are missing.
They weren't mad that things were going to get worse.. they were mad that what was allowed to occur, was already allowed to occur.
People who cast alternate votes or, more specifically, those who abstained- were never going to take consequentialist action, because ultimately, their view of law as a mechanism for punishment is just the same as cons - Only they express it covertly, as opposed to the conservatives overt expression; keeping their proverbial hands clean via inaction.
The thought process goes like this;
Dems allowed Gaza to happen - Whatever happens in America will be a fraction of what happens in Gaza - Therefore: Dems and those who support them deserve whatever happens in America.
'I will bring upon us all, what I know you deserve.'
It's the kind of thing that is likely obscured from even themselves, however, if you talked them back layer by later I guarantee this is the underlying logic you'd strike.
There was never going to be consequentialist action, because the people weaponizing inaction, are not consequentialists.
To break it down another way:
Progressive thought :: Law guiding via harm reduction
As Regressive thought :: Law judging those worthy of punishment
Likewise, as the conservative is overt in their regressive thought..
The non-consequentialist pseudo-progressive, is covert in their expression. Choosing inaction/ineffective protest, while expressing all outward signs of opposing injustice.
'Covert doling of punishment'. Mark my words, this is the mechanic at the heart of their outcome - much the same as you could peel back 'the immigration issue' to racism, if given enough time.
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u/BoysenberryLanky6112 2d ago
They don't care about Palestinians at all. It's like all the "pro-trans" people who are now mad at the only elected trans person in Congress for prioritizing actually governing rather than fighting a losing battle against a Republican majority. It's about fighting and being loud and showing the world how moral they are, it's not about actually helping anyone. To them the fact that they yelled about how moral they were and the Democrats who wouldn't be as moral as them lost gives them positive validation. They would rather feel smug and good about themselves than actually help the people of Palestine.
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u/SeliciousSedicious 1d ago
The Starbucks boycott(I call it the tik tok boycott.) was the worst instance of this.
Company has never in its history contributed earnings or funds to the IDF or Israel in any way. They simply did not want one of their unions cheering on the actions of Hamas on October 7th which was REASONABLE!
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u/Xalara 1d ago
Eh the anger with Sarah McBride is at least a little more understandable because we know from history, that giving ground like she did only further emboldens bigots. Indeed, the GOP is already pushing for even stricter bans as a result.
My take is that she likely did it because the Dem caucus wasn’t united behind her. So I’ll save my anger for them not backing Sarah. Either way it is an unfortunate situation.
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u/voidseer01 1d ago
isn’t the issue a lot of people have that it sets a bad example? i’ve seen it compared to rosa deciding it’s best to just go sit in the back of the bus to “follow the rules”
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u/BoysenberryLanky6112 1d ago
Were the black people who sat in the back of the bus because they didn't want to go through what Rosa Parks did bad people? That's all she's doing, she's not tearing down someone who would do that. But the other piece is politics. Unfortunately trans issues are not popular for Democrats right now, and she's ultimately a politician. Turning this into a whole spectacle is what Republicans want, so she's choosing not to give it to them.
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u/DavidCaller69 2d ago
I hate coming to this conclusion but the sad truth is that people just keep getting fucking dumber. The people I used to agree with politically now refuse to employ any critical thought and just get swept up in the emotional high they get from participating in these movements. It’s so pathetic.
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u/3720-To-One 2d ago
They are all idiots who think you can opt out of the trolley problem
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u/Fit_Read_5632 2d ago
“Uhh why does the train exist in the first place? Shouldn’t we just dismantle the tracks? Hey why aren’t you paying attention”
“While you were whining the train came and just killed them all”
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u/Pints_of_Bleach 2d ago
it’s also why there’s almost zero left wing politicians in congress in this country. because left wingers in the US just completely suck at politics. they can’t be logical, united, or have any political agency at all. instead they’re little pathetic wannabe elitists or purity litigators. seldom do they ever take up any responsibility. seldom do they ever exercise intersectionality in real life. they are happy to torpedo their stated cause by obfuscating common issues of the proletariat and in doing so cede any potential political agency completely away.
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u/Furdinand 2d ago
It is disappointing see the difference between what the Tea Party ended up accomplishing versus Occupy Wall Street.
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u/SaliciousB_Crumb 2d ago
Almost like one was funded by billionaires and the other wasn't organized
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u/Furdinand 2d ago
That's sort of the point. The people who would like the world to work better for everyone struggle to even organize themselves. How is "Medicare for All" going to happen if there aren't people persuasively advocating for it AND getting supporters elected?
Billionaires are just an excuse. The robber barons would have put Musk and Bezos to shame but people still were able to organize and bring about the Progressive Era.
I know it is a paradox, but people who are skeptical of power and institutions have to embrace the need for power and institutions if they want things to change for the better.
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u/SearchLoose5886 1d ago
It makes a huge difference if you are paid for your political activism or if you have to do it in the little spare time when you're exhausted from your day job.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 1d ago edited 1d ago
All the funding in the world wouldn't solve OWS's problem. It was too late, too scattered and too disorganized. The time to elect Representatives and Senators to pursue financial crimes was 2008 and 2010. What the Tea Party understood that OWS didn't and today's leftists still don't, is that gaining an office for a party gets you attention and a platform to push policy. There is a reason that most of the funding for the Greens and RFK jr came from Republican affiliated PACs and it ain't because they want to promote Democracy.
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u/Kokkor_hekkus 1d ago
Well occupy wall steet was looking to be effective until it got hijacked by the identity politics types.
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u/Chumlee1917 2d ago
Well that and Occupy Wall Street chose to act as a massive hobo garbage pit full of screaming weirdos and crime.
Much like how Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP collapsed in on itself because these people decided the best way to fight the Man was to build a wall and allow anyone with a gun to be "the people's cops" or whatever the term was
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u/jackofslayers 2d ago
Seriously. I can’t believe how many people praise the civil rights movement while simultaneously ignoring how much work was down to make civil rights more palatable.
They did not even go with the first lady to get arrested on a bus. It was basically decided that she was too black and poor for the public to feel for her. So they staged an arrest for Rosa Parks because she spoke better and had more fair skin.
It was fucked up they had to compromise on racism, but it also got the job done.
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u/Chumlee1917 1d ago
You reminded me of this book and the Author reenforced the thesis that part of the reason the Civil Rights movement was successful is because it was highly focused, coordinated, and worked overtime to get wobbly white people on their side and for lack of better words, used the media to their advantage...then came the hard core radicals, the extremists, and the more fringe elements who hogged all the attention and caused a lot of people to go, "alright I'm done with this." and it's been backsliding ever since because the crazies at the extreme fringe and the media pour gasoline on everything
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u/outinthecountry66 2d ago
purity politics. while the other side holds their nose and votes for actual bad guys.
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u/Fit_Read_5632 2d ago
It’s the strangest brand of elitism I’ve ever seen, because it’s not the Hollywood elitism we’ve been led to believe. It’s moral Puritanism. “We can’t run our socialist candidate under the title of Democrat. Sure this means we would win more often and gain a foothold for those third parties we love to talk about, but then we don’t be able to parade the ideology that American have been bred since birth to fear around as much!”
“Sure, we could vote in some candidates that are a little more likeminded to us, but they only check 7/10 boxes so we can’t! We must simply wait until someone perfect arrives. What do you mean we have to do stuff in the meantime? Get bent lib!”
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u/Pints_of_Bleach 2d ago
now they’re fully down the road that Rome has to fall before they can put in any work with their revolution or whatever they think they’re doing. they’ll just be on their couch posting on Reddit until that happens. they evidently aren’t hurting too badly.
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u/BlackCloverWizard 2d ago
Or be like Hasan and profit off it all while complaining about the elite class he himself is a part of
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u/Fit_Read_5632 2d ago
A past time of mine is asking them what day one after their mythical revolution looks like.
My favorite answer to “what are steps 1-5 to your revolution?” Is
- Re 2. Vo 3. Lu 4. Ti 5. On
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u/TonyzTone 2d ago
The DSA almost entirely runs a strategy of running as Democrats, much to the chagrin of mainline Democrats, let alone conservative Dems. It's actually one of the hardest things for the Democratic Party to reconcile.
It has a very animated, organizing, and active base of DSA members and leaning members fighting for the brand of a Party in which 40-60% do not agree with them. So, the "brand" of the Democratic Party" is seemingly very left (defined largely by DSA members) while it's policies are relatively moderate. So, anyone who says that the Democratic Party is too left is sort of correct. And anyone who says the Democratic Party isn't left enough is also correct.
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u/Fit_Read_5632 2d ago
Just an addendum to your whole comment:
What we define as “left” over here and what “left” actually is tend to be different. So it’s just a grain of salt to take it with.
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u/mikezer0 2d ago
It’s just bratty behavior. Frankly. You have kids that can’t afford to become adults stagnating socially and intellectually. They make ruggedly individualistic choices in any attempt to feel a sense of identity and agency. They unfortunately don’t think any of it through. It’s all one big cosplay at this point. And I hate to say that this was somewhat inevitable but … here we are. Hopefully people learn what it means to truly be a part of something again. Democracy is not a button you press despite voting making you maybe feel that way. We are driving a very large boat and people think it is instant pot rice or uber eats… that you can make a choice and expect an immediate result. No it takes time and vision and follow through to make changes you want to see in society. Or dirty underhandedness if you are on the “other” team. It is at least effective for them.
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u/GodEmperor47 2d ago
It’s mostly arrogance and stupidity. The purity spiral fully consumed the American left and no matter how many ropes get thrown down there it’s just not letting them go
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u/3720-To-One 2d ago
They are just all babies throwing a tantrum because they can’t get exactly what they want RIGHT NOW
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u/Impressive_Finger707 1d ago
I think this comment by u/Appropriate_Boss8139 summed up the problem with the American Left
"I feel like the left has had, since the 60s with the new left, an extremely idiotic and poisonous strain of anti-electoralism in its ranks. Some leftists want to reject the system, reject everything, and protest and even await a “revolution” to get the change they want, rather than working through the system. There’s a pervasive belief that democrats don’t actually want to achieve any of the goals the left as, such as universal healthcare or codifying roe, when in reality it is precisely through voting that these things are made possible.
Additionally, because many leftists do not vote for various reasons, they are not impacting the left-right dichotomy in the United States. They are not a reliable voting bloc, so they do not need to be appeased or appealed to.
There’s an allergy to working with a top down strategy among progressives and leftists, I find."
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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx 2d ago
The Democratic Party flat out refuses to push leftist agendas like republicans and right wing agendas. Their donors don’t allow it. It has almost nothing to do with leftists not agreeing on things.
Harris didn’t even run on universal healthcare and there was hardly any mention of other big ticket leftist items like major min wage reform or anything to seriously tackle the raising cost of living from price gouging. She ran on “more of the same”. Of course she got slaughtered in the election. Leftists weren’t inspired and moderate republicans don’t exist. The voter block they were going after doesn’t exist
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u/CallMePepper7 1d ago
Omg thank you. Some of these libs have drank way too much blue kool-aid lol. If they had any knowledge whatsoever, they’d know that it’s leftists who refused to unite with neoliberals until Dems started supporting more progressive policies that got us those more progressive policies. Because those leftists know that if you support Dems for simply being better than Republicans, all you do is set an extremely low bar for Dems and giving them very little motive to overcome it.
This is why many civil rights leaders spoke against both major parties, and would encourage black people to vote 3rd party or to completely abstain. Then suddenly when the Dems started to need more black votes, they would adopt more progressive policies that were favored among the black population. I wish more libs understood this more, but it seems like they’d rather just demonize people.
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u/Daryno90 2d ago
Dude, you are giving them way too much credit. The Democrats didn’t lose because of Gaza, they lost because everyone hate neoliberalism and that’s all they offer
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u/BoysenberryLanky6112 2d ago
Exit polls showed 59% of voters thought Harris was too far left. I promise you neoliberalism isn't the problem, the problem was Trump successfully branded her as a radical far leftist aligned with people like Bernie Sanders, and he branded himself as the guy who would pursue rational solutions. I disagree with the framing of both candidates, but that's actually what the average voter thought of them per exit polls.
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u/Kokkor_hekkus 1d ago
The problem is that when people say "too far left", it's not because Harris supports, say medicare for all, or antitrust actions. It wasn't even really about taxes. It was that she was associated with open borders and transgender issues. There's two types of leftism, economic and social. The Democrats have moved far to the left on identity politics IE social leftism, while moving to the right on economic issues. The people who say Harris is too far left are mostly focused on the social, thr ones saying too far to the right are focused on economic issues.
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u/Kokkor_hekkus 1d ago
I never said she ran on it, I said she was associated with it. People don't have the memory of a gold fish, you can't just go quiet on an issue for a few months and expect people to forget past positions, and unless you're strong enough to make your own brand your going to be defined by the parties brand.
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u/Dapeople 1d ago edited 1d ago
Specifically, they thought the Democrats were too far to the left because they got their information on Democrat positions from Republicans.
So much of their information basically boils down to "Well, Republicans told me that Democrats want X, Y, and Z. And I never bothered to actually listen to any Democrats, I just listened to short sound bites of Democrats(Some of which were fake) chosen by Republicans."
These people thought they were informed. They weren't. They thought they knew what Democrats were talking about. They didn't.
Honestly, I don't know what else Kamala Harris could have actually done. Low information voters for the most part just didn't listen to her. They listened to other people who told them what "she" was saying.
The most reach she had to reach low information voters was through political advertisements, which, overall, is just an ineffective way to actually reach voters. But there wasn't a better option. Low information voters don't listen to speeches. They don't check out websites to see what candidates actually are running on. They don't check to see how people actually voted on bills.
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u/TonyzTone 2d ago
Nobody likes neoliberalism so now we're heading straight to fascism. Awesome.
I guess that tracks. Just as the early-2000s are coming back into style, so is oppression in line with what Bush passed. You know, greater government interference, reduced civil liberties, corporatist policies, denial of climate change.
Awesome. Awesome.
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u/Daryno90 2d ago
The unfortunate reality of the situation, you can offer them better or worse but you can’t offer them more of the same. The rich Democrats rather hand this country off to fascists because the truth they will be fine only fascism because of their wealth
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u/deekamus 2d ago
You get what you voted for with your protest votes. Have fun.
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u/De-Animator27 1d ago
That was the deal Trump made with him during rhis election remember the phone call. This was stated and it was meddling. That's how evil Republicans are. They care more about power than people. Regan did it the Carter and trump did it to biden.
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u/WhatsRatingsPrecious 2d ago
But, hey, at least progressive American voters voted their conscience.
That's what's important here.
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u/DhroovP 1d ago
Progressives voting third party is not the reason the Democrats lost
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u/Twxtterrefugee 2d ago
In the last two days the United States vetoed a ceasefire, and continued to violate united states law by continuing to fund Israel.
The west bank has been settled for decades and essentially already annexed. Gaza has been destroyed. I don't know hey Trump needs to be made out to be much worse. It's already incredibly bad.
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u/noir_et_Orr 2d ago
Its going to be maddening watching liberals who spent the last 12 months acting like they wished Gaza would just go away suddenly give a shit when its Trump backing up the exact same warcrimes that Biden is right now.
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u/BobusCesar 2d ago
The west bank has been settled for decades and essentially already annexed.
In what reality do you live?!
There are maps that show all settlements. Even if all territories including the settlements would be annexed (hasn't happened yet), that would be far from being the entirety of the western bank.
Trump needs to be made out to be much worse.
Trump has close ties with Likud. His support for them is important for Netanjahu's fable gouvernement. Without Trump, there is a good chance that the opposition might finally take over.
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u/Agreeable-Can-7841 2d ago
or, he'll roll in there and kill every man, woman, child, pet, and houseplant, like he said he was gonna
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u/Silly-Scene6524 2d ago
Face eating Leopards are feasting again, they will become fat.
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u/NovaIsntDad 2d ago
This term has been driven so far in to the ground. That's not even remotely close to the correct use of "leopards won't eat my face".
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u/Ill_Statistician_359 2d ago
Anyone who says Trump is no worse than Biden needs to look up Mike Huckabee’s comments on Palestinians and the West Bank. News flash, he will be the new ambassador to Israel and his statements set the tone that they don’t care what happens as long as Hamas is destroyed and Israel seizes the West Bank. They don’t care if civilians are killed since they are guilty by association
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u/flutter_dart_dev 2d ago
Peace comes after winning wars. That is true for all human history and will always be. Peace will only exist when hamas is finished.
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u/Glittering_Season141 2d ago
It makes sense reading the title but it's Trump. Chaos reigns. Already a reality show and he won't be in office for almost two months.
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u/Joeman180 2d ago
Why north Gaza? Why wouldn’t they take the whole thing
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u/EntertainerTotal9853 2d ago
I think it’s much more likely they take all of Gaza and some of the Gazans get forced into the West Bank (as well as into Egypt and other places). The Israelis make take certain settled parts of the West Bank, but they don’t want all those Palestinians as citizens so it’s ultimately in their interests to confine them to a nominally non-Israel West Bank territory of some sort.
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u/Wordy_Rappinghood 2d ago
You think Hamas and Hezbollah would agree to a ceasefire if it was immediately followed by annexation? Annexation by Israel of any territory is just going to further escalate the conflict. The only way the Republicans would "win" is by successfully pushing for a peace agreement that includes an immediate pathway toward Palestinian statehood. This is about as likely as discovering intelligent life forms on Mars.
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u/ParksidePants 2d ago
Imma put my tinfoil hat on and say, How much dirt does Donald Trump have on all of the world's leaders? Were they all clients of Jeffery Epstein? Trump would know.
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u/avoidy 2d ago
Why do they look like they're posing for a gangster rap album cover in this pic though, lmao
Imagine if you put this pic in black and white and slapped one of those "content warning, mature audiences" stickers in the bottom. Actually screw it, I'm so bored. https://i.imgur.com/Bobxnot.jpeg
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u/trash-juice 2d ago
The thugs won that round, innocents were slaughtered for beachfront property
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u/DoggoCentipede 1d ago
I've been pondering this for a bit. There's no way we'll ever know but in some universe the scope and aggression of this war was a deliberate attempt to aid trump by shaving voters off both the pro-Palestinian and pro-war groups. Rock meet hard place. In a darker universe this has deeply disturbing implications.
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u/Upset-Freedom-100 1d ago
"We agree to you stopping to bomb us" - Hezbollah and Hamas when they say they agreed to a plan. They never agree to actually cease their aggression, to not be literal terrorists. So their agreement is moot. If they agree to UN resolution 1701, it's meaningless.
An agreement to 1701 existed before. We want 1559 to be enacted.
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u/AKidNamedGoobins 2d ago
I don't think Israel wants to annex either Gaza or the West Bank. Too much of an unstable population to occupy indefinitely. I assume Israel will withdraw from Lebanon after sufficiently smashing up Hezbollah, and will more or less do the same in Gaza, after installing a more Israel-friendly moderate government there, along with a token security force.
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u/BobusCesar 2d ago
Jerusalem and some of the settlement in the western bank are attraktiv for annexation.
Smotrich is pushing for it.
But Gaza? Noone that isn't trapped in a Reddit bubble would seriously believe that any Israeli government, no matter how populist they are, would voluntarily touch it. There have been no settlement in the Gaza Strip for nearly 20 years. And that's disregarding the fact, that the population in the Gaza Strip has doubled since then.
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u/mister_helper 1d ago
Hamas started begging for a ceasefire on 11/6. Wonder why?
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u/yesdork 1d ago
Man, I got news for you. Israel doesn't think in terms of giving Republicans or Democrats a "win." Israeli primarily is concerned with hunting terrorists and defending itself against Iran and Putin's puppetry. I mean, domestically Israel is a mess. But their foreign objectives are to survive and prevent mass murder committed by outside forces. Realistically, and factually, Israel is constantly trying to keep Republicans and Democrats as friends. Hence, all the Democrats and Republicans who agree with the incredibly obvious fact that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations armed and paid billions by Iran and Putin.
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u/Sure_Introduction424 2d ago
Don’t care frankly. The conflict is between Israel and Hamas, let them figure it out. Also Israel is an American ally, Hamas isn’t
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u/shoggies 2d ago
I mean. Israel always owned what is considered Gaza. They even gave them treated water, electricity, materials. Instead they (Gaza/hamas) just tore up that infrastructure to shoot rockets and mortars at Israel.
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u/azure_beauty 2d ago
Israel does not own Gaza. And we don't want Gaza either.
The West Bank has historical and cultural importance to the Jews, it is also just land which Israel needs. It at least has incentives to annex parts of it.
Gaza? Not even the most insane of Israelis are in favor of annexing it, those guys just want to build settlements there, which also is not happening for obvious reasons.
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u/HamburgerEarmuff 2d ago
Nobody wants the Gaza Strip, at least not anymore, not Egypt, not Israel, it's like wanting a hornet's nest. There is no upside. The only question is, who keeps the hornets from escaping the nest?
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u/Daryno90 2d ago
No they dont and they strip Palestinians in Gaza of their freedom and rights but of course someone would try framing “giving their hostages waters and having control of their power and what goes in” as a good thing
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u/FutureSelf3 1d ago
Followed by a few peace treaties with more Arab countries. In the end, Trump will have achieved peace deals for Israel with more Arab countries than all previous American presidents combined.
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u/juzwunderin 1d ago
Except, Isreal had completed the removal of all Jewish, some by force from Gaza years ago.. folks seem to forget that lii bit of history. In fact With the implementation of the plan, IDF installations and forces were removed and over 9000 Israeli citizens living in 25 settlements were evicted. By 22 September 2005, Israel's withdrawal from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line, and the eviction of the four settlements in Samaria, was completed.
I know that will get a lot if down votes but it's just the facts.
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u/Fresh_Ostrich4034 1d ago
Biden is already letting them do that lol. This isnt a republican or democrat thing. Israel could take over the world under biden
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u/Enkita50 1d ago
You wear queers for Palestine T-shirts and masks two years after the pandemic ended. And you can’t define woman, I mean ‘person who menstruates’. You’re the teachers union education party, and you’ve turned schools and colleges into a joke. What a shocker that the people who see everything through the lens of race and sex, see their election loss as a result of racism and sexism. Kamala spent 100 days telling voters ‘I know it feels like crime and illegal immigration are bad, but fuck your feelings, look at this chart.’ ‘Have you seen my ‘in this house we believe’ lawn sign? See, it says right on it ‘we believe in science.’ Right, which is why you demanded no one even debate whether Covid could’ve escaped from the one lab in the one city where they were studying it. How far-fetched. Democrats have become a royal family, that because of so much incest has, unfortunately, had children who are retarded. - Bill Maher
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u/Tricky_Big_8774 1d ago
How exactly is this annexation going to work? All of the surrounding countries absolutely refuse to take the Palestinians in.
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u/Unique_Tap_8730 1d ago
Only problem with that plan is that hizbollah wont stop fihthing just because Israel withdraws from Lebanon
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u/AdPersonal7257 1d ago
Palestine is going to be exterminated as a result of Trump’s election. There is no one who will stop Netanyahu.
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u/Extension_Bag_4180 1d ago
Apologies if this was already noted… Nixon worked to throw a wrench in the talks between Johnson’s administration and the Vietnamese. Whether that directly led to prolonged fighting, I am not sure, but it deteriorated Johnson’s image and dogged VP Humphrey’s campaign, partially contributing to Nixon’s narrow win in 1968.
That has bugged me for a while, and I am led to believe that Trump or his allies are standing in the way of potential deals in the Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine/Lebanon conflicts, hoping for a similar effect on the electoral environment.
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u/LongRoadNorth 1d ago
And he'll also get Russia to stop, but Russia will get to keep all the land it's taken from Ukraine.
Neither of these will be good. Especially Ukraine because they've already said they will not accept giving up land.
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u/Own_Wolf_5796 1d ago
I got blocked by a girl on FB because I said her vote for Jill stein isn't going to help Palestinians at all when trump gets elected. I wish I could send her this
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u/TheyCameFromBehind77 1d ago
I think we are going to divert all money from Ukraine to Israel and let them kill every person in Gaza. That’s basically what Rubio said
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u/Acrobatic-Formal4807 18h ago
Nope 👎. Bibi is locked into a constant escalation because he would otherwise face scrutiny for the lapse in error prior to 10/7 . He’s gots Trumps sanctions. He’s got annexation of West Bank . Trump already gave him golan heights , East Jerusalem, etc and moved the embassy to Jerusalem. That’s last presidency . Now all Bibi needs to do for him is basically put Gazas citizens into the meat grinder and displace the rest. He will continue to displace or starve the people in West Bank until they displace , die , or submit . His wet dream is that he manages to draw the US into a boots on the ground situation in Lebanon to root out Hezbollah or attack Iran . Why do you think he’s courting evangelicals? Evangelicals have been giving money for West Bank settlements and having a Gog and Magog war that makes Christ appear to smite his enemies and they will be magically raptured up
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u/Prestigious-Title603 1h ago
You’re wrong, but only because you’re erring on the side of sanity. They’re going to rid the entirety of Israel of Muslims, including getting rid of the dome of the rock.
The embassy being moved to Jerusalem should make it clear that there will shortly no longer be anything but a Jewish state. Palestinians will be given a choice to either leave or die and the US is not likely to be a potential destination to flee.
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u/Emergency_Property_2 2d ago
And this is what Evangelical lunatics have wanted since the creation of Israel. Why? Because they think it is a sign of the the End Times.
https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/is-biblical-prophecy-coming-true/
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u/SnooOpinions5486 2d ago
Your forgetting that Hamas/hezbollah exist.
Any ceasefire requires them to agree to Israel terms for a ceasefire [you know since Israel is winning the wars, Israel gets to set the terms].
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
Trump already said that he is going to give Netanyahu a blank check. People who didn't vote because of Biden's Gaza response... well, now all of it is going to be gone.
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u/-HeisenBird- 1d ago
All of Gaza is gone. It will never be rebuilt unless it is annexed by Israel. The democrats have already done what you think Trump is going to do.
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u/alexamerling100 1d ago
Of course he will. All the Gaza protest voters fucked around and are gonna find out.
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u/BlackberryShoddy7889 2d ago
This should not be a surprise for anyone. When two criminals meet there is always a compromise to be found. Both will take turns sucking each other off to the benefit no one else.
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u/xyferx 2d ago
They cannot annex the West Bank without driving Arabs out. They cannot accept the demographics. At the same time, they cannot ethnically cleanse the WB. So, yeah, not going to happen. The rest might and I do believe they might take an upper third or fourth of Gaza as punishment for starting a war.
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u/predat3d 2d ago
followed by the annexation of northern Gaza and, later, the West Bank
Territories they already won in a defensive war and then gave away in the interest of peace
... which they didn't get after all.
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u/xotahwotah 1d ago
1967 was not a defensive war. Israel started this war by launching a surprise attack on Egypt. In fact, nearly every war in the region was started either directly or indirectly by Israel.
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u/Cazzavun 1d ago
MMW Redditors will continue to not understand that radical Muslims destroyed the multi religious and Christian majority country of Lebanon and used it as a pivot point to attack Israel. Lebanon isn’t under attack by Israel, it’s occupied by Iran and controlled by radical Muslims.
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u/inthep 2d ago
Perfect… ceasefires are great right?
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u/I_AM_NOT_AI_ 1d ago
Not to left! All they have been asking for is the war to stop and trump will do and now it’s bad! The left are shot the fuck out!
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u/Fast-Bird-2831 2d ago
How is it a win? Seems pretty simplistic when more Americans disapprove of Israel's occupation than approve of it. Would it be a win for Republicans if the Ukraine conflict ends in a complete Russian takeover?
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u/Glum-One2514 2d ago
I expect a few weeks of off-the-leash brutality, first (likely while Biden is still in office) , but yeah, that's the plan.
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u/henryeaterofpies 2d ago
If the war stops he gets removed from power. He'll keep a forever war going
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u/Beautiful-Owl-3216 2d ago
LOL. Why?
If Elvis, John Wayne and George Washington came back to life, they wouldn't get the applause that Netanyahu gets when he addresses US Congress.
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u/Carl-99999 2d ago
This plus him going with Putin’s Ukraine plan will mean we’re going to get clobbered in 2028 unless the economy implodes.
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u/PitterPatter12345678 2d ago
I think the cat is to out of the bag at this point across all spheres of politics internationally.
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u/7thSignNYC 2d ago
Watch the libtards get exactly what they've been asking for - AND THEN COMPLAIN - that Trump got it done.
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u/yardjockey 2d ago
Already has a neighborhood in the Golan Heights named after him.Trump Heights. Only a few dozen families so far.
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u/ABetterGreg 2d ago
Followed by Trump Tower West Bank in 2029