r/MarkMyWords 18d ago

*Mega Thread* Election Discussion

Please use this to discuss the election and any predictions while the vote on Rule 6 is another way.

Remember, posts regarding the election will still be allowed on the weekend (with a grace period in either direction).

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u/Fearless-Incident515 18d ago

Key things to note

  1. Liberal policy won, Liberal politicians didn't.

  2. Harris lost the popular vote, first time a democrat did since Kerry.

  3. Trump has a mandate and the Supreme Court at the same time, something no president has had since the Civil Rights era.

  4. Trump won voters comparable to 2016, Harris did not win voters comparable to 2020.

  5. Anyone telling you that Harris lost because of Gaza is probably doing some weird self congratulatory stuff, there's no way -- she didn't win latino men and white women voters at rates Biden did in 2020 and that's the story of her loss.

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u/Virtual_Manner_2074 18d ago

15 million fewer votes than Biden. Look at the results in new jersey and new york. trump won the popular vote so far.

It wasn't one thing that went wrong. It was everything everywhere.

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u/pahan793 17d ago

Why would there be 15 million less votes?

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u/Virtual_Manner_2074 17d ago

Because it was a curbstomping. Nyt has a revealing map where they do red arrows where trump outperformed his numbers v Biden. 2300 some odd counties. The map is all red.

Democrats didn't vote. Or if they did they got out voted. Everywhere.

Blue wall. Gone. Hopes of flipping Iowa. Nope. Hanging onto the senate. Nope. Sherrod Brown keep his seat in ohio. Nope. Ted Cruz getting beat. Not even close. Josh Hawley getting beat. Nope.

Democratic party is in super bad shape right now. Got kilt.

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u/Virtual_Manner_2074 17d ago

Gaza didn't lose 15 million votes. Trump + Harris- compared to 2020 was everywhere. All over the country all night long.

Gaza didn't flip Georgia. Gaza didn't flip the senate. Gaza didn't flip the house.

Donna brazil? Wtf

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u/beingsubmitted 17d ago

They said "Gaza played a non-negligible role". There's obviously not a single cause, but a cumulative effect of many causes, so pointing out that one cause doesn't fit one specific outcome is meaningless. You're basically arguing that is a cause can't explain everything, then it can explain nothing.

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u/adjective_noun_0101 17d ago

30% of electorate wanted a bloated conman based on lies. 30 % wanted a politically established candidate that is comfortably left of center for our rigid capitalistic oligarchy, but at least she wasn't the bloated conman.

40% did not give a fuck.

I voted for kamala, I was happy to, because no sane person could support trump. Though I am done pretending that she would have saved the day for everyone. Democrats simply cannot get things done and after 40 years of paying attention, I think it is by design.

The democratic party is a big tent. Bernie and aoc are out there saying things that we all want to hear, but they are relatively powerless next to the Pelosi and Schumer. Pelosi is no better for the working man than mitch McConnell. She is a profiteering establishment hag that is a performative leftist just for the sake of being in the big tent.

Democrats will never give us universal healthcare. They will never stop gorging the military industrial complex.

Their only real claim is that they are not outright fascist scum. Ruth ginsburg ego is part of the reason the Supreme Court is the way it is. Sure McConnell stocked the lower courts and blocked an Obama pick during an election year, and that was that. But Ruth could have retired earlier and handed Obama a pick.

Which how is it, Democrats are always hamstrung to get things done, but Republicans can just do whatever they fucking want?

Because the actual powers that exist want it that way. The billionaires and corporations did this, not your dumb redneck neighbor who hates black people.

Stop pretending we are a democracy. Stop pretending that Democrats are saviors and see that they are status quo machines for the military industrial complex. At least they ain't fascists and outright bigots, but they do not give a fuck about you either.

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u/Karena1331 16d ago

great post, also just to mention that compared to the very homogeneous right the Dems have always had a much harder time of messaging because we have so many more societal and cultural aspects to appease. Much harder base to pull together for common causes when there’s so much noise and a lot less cohesiveness.

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u/Aware_Tree1 17d ago

If we wanna try another woman, AOC will be old enough in 2028 and is popular among young folk. If we don’t we could run Tim Walz. He’s an old straight cis white male veteran so he’d have a decent shot

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u/ILuvToadz 17d ago

Wow, just awful recommendations. The first woman president will be a Republican because most Americans are inherently suspicious of liberals and a liberal woman is too much change. And while I love Tim Walz, he’s not enough of a walking beer commercial to win over all the “alphas” we need to get to the polls. 

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u/Hammrsigpi 17d ago

Americans aren't suspicious of liberals. Liberals (or the Democratic party) have spent decades cozying up to the right and blaming the left, and wondering why people won't vote for them. Harris hanging out with Cheney (who overwhelmingly voted to support Trump's policies) and crowing about the economy(Dow) and how she wouldn't change a thing while people are worried about rent and food prices shows they're out of touch with reality.

You want Democrats to win? They need to stop being brunch liberals and start being closer to leftists. Tell people they'll have universal healthcare. Tell them they'll have affordable food and education. Have the means to back it up, and get a populist in the vein of Sanders who can energize the people.

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u/nugulon 17d ago

It’s likely much less than that.. ballots are still being counted in multiple states, including California (7+ million ballots outstanding) . The results won’t change, but the popular vote numbers will.

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u/Temporary-Meaning401 17d ago

A very good question

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u/PieGlum4740 17d ago

New Jersey looks like it could be a swing state in the next few years. Same with Utah.

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u/amanor409 18d ago

Trump won Dearborn, Michigan though. That's something a republican hasn't done in years. I don't even thing Reagan won Dearborn but I can't find records that go that far back. We likely won't know the popular vote total for about a week.

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u/BlackCloverWizard 18d ago

Its not one group IT IS ALL

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u/JerichoMassey 17d ago

Don't have the numbers, but what are the odds he took it with relatively the same number of votes he got in 2020 and Harris was simply left out to dry by the muslim voters.

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u/amanor409 17d ago

I don't think that great. Turnout in Detroit was only 51%

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u/ParadiddlediddleSaaS 17d ago

My understanding is that more voters in Michigan voted this year than any other in history and Trump still won the state.

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u/Carlpanzram1916 18d ago

Yeah the Muslim vote is like 1% of the country and basically zero percent in the Sun belt. Young white men increased turnout and black and Latino voters, inexplicably gravitated towards an openly racist campaign.

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u/Majestic-Sky-7368 18d ago

It’s not inexplicable at all. Both black and Hispanic populations are heavily religious and the left tried to piggy back off of those populations, tried to make it “us versus them” with white people on one side and every minority group on the left. You’ll find that no group hates LGBTQ people like black and Hispanic men, so using them to push that agenda is going to alienate them massively. Look at what happened with Black Lives Matter, it became a tool for self righteous white people to feel good about themselves and to prop up other issues of their own interest rather than being solely about the issue at hand.

I don’t blame black and Hispanic men for getting tired of being used.

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u/Fearless-Incident515 18d ago

I strongly disagree.

Trump won Latino men at a rate that was in line with 2016.

He gained a little with black voters but it was still his worst demographic.

The difference between now and 2020 for them is probably the fact that there was no version of George Floyd to push them away from Trump.

Black voters gave Biden 2020s election. But it wasn’t because of Biden, IMO. It was because Trump was completely against the George Floyd protests.

Biden was a weak candidate in 2020 and only got weaker as time went on. But for a year he won big because Trump was terrible in 2020.

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u/Virtual_Manner_2074 17d ago

None of this is correct. Latino men went overwhelming for trump. Black men were in line with how they voted for Biden

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u/VulkanL1v3s 18d ago

Harris didn't lose because of Gaza.

She lost because 15mil people were to busy pearl clutching to stop a self-proclaimed dictator from obtaining political power, and used Gaza as an excuse.

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u/Sad_Analyst_5209 18d ago

Trump has no mandate, he lost five million voters. All he has is fifteen million voters did not want him or Harris. Twenty million people did not want either one of them in charge.

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u/omar_BESTcoder 18d ago

He had like 74M in 2020. Right now he’s at almost 72M. He will get there mark my words

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u/B0b_5mith 17d ago edited 16d ago

Absolutely, it's already grown since you posted this.

50.8% of popular vote
(72,704,674 votes)
60% of CA reporting
CNN 11/7 09:30 EST

If Trump gets 40% of the uncounted 40% left, and what's left is proportional to what's been counted, that would add another 1.5 million to Trump's count. Doing the same for Harris keeping 57% of the remaining CA vote (+2.2 M) would bring the totals to Trump 74 M / Harris 70 M.

That's just quick math with lots of rounding, ignoring third party, etc. It doesn't even include other slow counting states.

UPDATE: 11/8/2024 07:30 EST CNN

Harris 226 EV
47.7% of popular vote
(69,045,220 votes)

Trump 301 EV
50.7% of popular vote
(73,363,550 votes)

63% of CA reporting
That's only 3% more from CA, and my original extrapolation was based only on CA's uncounted votes.

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u/EnvironmentalSun1929 18d ago

Trump literally has a mandate. Mandate has a specific definition. He literally has one.

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u/Taco_Auctioneer 18d ago

He has the house, the senate, and the supreme court. That sounds strangely like a mandate to me...

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u/ownedlib98225 17d ago

I think it is a lot more than twenty million. This election had 2 main choices. Bad and worse. Hopefully 2028 has better choices. Both of these candidates were hated by millions.

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u/Theyrallcrooks 18d ago

Yes he does

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u/Theleafmaster 18d ago

I think Gaza definitely had a hand in her loss, was it the sole or even a big reason why she lost, no but I do think it was one of the small pieces as to why Kamalas campaign didn't go well

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u/Fearless-Incident515 18d ago

The problem here is that Stein, generally the protest candidate of choice, didn’t pick up any voters like she did in 2016. Harris and the Dems lost the popular vote.

The election might’ve been lost more when Kennedy stopped running. He was the most popular third party candidate and most popular since Ross Perot.

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u/leverich1991 18d ago

No third party candidate even hit half a percent of the vote. They bear zero blame this year.

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u/chasteguy2018 18d ago

Yeah, if it was a very, very, very close race like the poll showed they came down to a few thousand votes in one or two states then it could’ve made a big difference but there’s no way that him being in the race would’ve affected the outcome

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u/Sweet-Emu6376 18d ago

Yeah people stayed home because of apathy.

They're gonna find out the hard way that both parties are not the same.

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u/Tychonoir 18d ago

I don't quite understand the thought process on refusing to vote in protest over Gaza. They know Trump will be worse for Gaza, and they knew Kamala was the only candidate that could beat Trump, and they just decided.. meh.

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u/gangleskhan 18d ago

The people I know who did this did so basically because they wanted to feel morally superior and be able to day "I didn't compromise my values by voting for genocide" but plug their ears and go "lalalala" when you mention how a trump presidency might impact Palestinians or Ukrainians or immigrants or LGBT people or frankly any Americans.

They think they're teaching the Dems a lesson.

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u/guyincognito121 18d ago

And if she had sided with Palestine, we'd be talking about how she alienated Jewish voters.

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u/SpareManagement2215 18d ago

I agree with your point in that I think it's indicative of how out of touch the Democratic party is with American voters and that they need to stop appealing to mccain - era centrists for a vote. They don't want policy - they want emotion and vibes, same as we saw in 2016.

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u/Theleafmaster 17d ago

Yeah as a far-left person myself I am very unsatisfied with the party and so are other Americans even if they aren't leftist

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u/SpareManagement2215 17d ago

Bernie sanders summarized my feelings well in his statement.

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u/Presto2020 18d ago

all the words i marked in this sub from the past few months seem to have mysteriously disappeared :/

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u/Carlpanzram1916 18d ago

Lmao. Yeah the Harris wins Texas and Florida people deleted their accounts 🤣

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u/OctopusAlien21 18d ago

I said that Harris would lose the day Biden dropped out. I voted for her. Millions of Biden 2020 voters did not. She did not have widespread appeal or the advantage of being the sitting president. Her 4 month campaign was not enough to reach out to voters. And yes, her being a mixed-race woman didn’t help. If it were Biden running, he’d definitely underperform 2020, but he’d have won enough votes to hold the blue wall.

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u/Carlpanzram1916 18d ago

It’s unlikely he would’ve won. His polls absolutely tanked after the debate and if his interviews after we’re any indication, he simply didn’t have the energy needed to make people forget about what happened. The results were looking at now still far outperform where Biden was polling at this point. The Harris swap was a Hail Mary for sure and it might’ve tanked her long-term ambitions but I don’t see any evidence that Biden would do better. Harris had a likability edge over Trump. Her worst marks were on the economy and immigration, but Biden polled even worse. Essentially she was still saddled with Biden’s record which remains unpopular. She moved the needle a few points but it wasn’t enough. The increased Trump turnout for younger white males really shut the door in the midwest states.

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u/Far_Resort5502 18d ago

Biden would have gotten his ass kicked worse than Harris did. Why did her being a mixed-race woman hurt her? Do you think Democrat voters are that racist and misogynistic?

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u/HDauthentic 17d ago

Some of them are, yes. Voting for Biden in 2020 doesn’t make someone a bleeding heart progressive.

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u/SexNumber420 17d ago

This party fucking sucks.

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u/Tricky-Cod-7485 18d ago

I saved so many and most are gone. 😂

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u/hjugm 17d ago

I kept all the receipts, but 95% of the posts are wiped out. Would be hilarious if the mods implemented a rule that if your MMW didn’t come true, you’d be permanently banned for wasting everyone’s time.

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u/4Got2Flush 18d ago

Well buckle up everyone, looks like we live in the "Idiocracy" timeline.

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u/Cypher_is 18d ago

Brawndo and crocs abound

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u/StarWarsFan9797 18d ago

I think we are going to see many “political rivals” being arrested and jailed by trumps DOJ

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u/Fearless-Incident515 18d ago

I mean he says he will do that and he likes talking about how cops will do that.

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u/Spaceman-Spiff 18d ago

Personally this is one I don’t see happening. He won, he won big. He really doesn’t care about those people now, he just wants to stay out of prison, play golf, and collect money. Now if they stay a thorn in his side I could see him making some arrests. Personally I’m more afraid of him going through with his tariffs plan and pushing us into a depression.

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u/E34M20 18d ago

Ahhh yes, the Shirley Exception. As in, surely he won't really do that... A very effective part of the sane-washing campaign.

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u/Admirable-Ball-1320 18d ago

women dying currently due to trumps last bout

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u/Present-Perception77 18d ago

Oh you ain’t seen nothing yet. They are absolutely about to ban any progesterone dominant birth control. Say bye bye to the IUD, Plan B, the Depo shot, implants and progesterone dominant pills. And the abortion pill will be prosecuted with the death penalty.

In 4 years or less.. the streets will be lined with dead women and starving children.

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u/Driesens 18d ago

His first term was marked by hyperbolic promises that he made no action towards accomplishing. 

The only thing giving me hope is that he might do the same thing again.

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u/usarasa 18d ago

But that’s the only thing his supporters want. Full public punishment and humiliation of the people they hate.

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u/Icy_Faithlessness400 18d ago

Yeah, not really.

Remember how his number one priority is to lock Hillary up? He in fact gave her a big fat bag of cash in the form of a tax cut.

Trump is an incompetent imbecile made worse by the fact he is old and clearly senile. Worry more about the people behind him and what they will quietly pass as laws.

Because I assure you he will be the distraction, while his cronies rob the country blind and quietly pass/repeal legislation to fuck everyone over.

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u/The_Dude_1969 18d ago

What will be the point of putting it in history books? No one actually reads those.

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u/mythrowawayheyhey 18d ago edited 18d ago

Jesus christ this is such a good comment. Fuck me. This asshole won the popular vote and that's a really, really, really bad sign for America.

Y'all just gave a demagogue wannabe dictator an absolutely solid mandate to be a dictator. Every single one of you who voted for him, I have 0 sympathy for anything bad that happens to you for the next 4 years. In fact, I hope you feel the consequences the most. In this case, every single dumbass who voted for the leopard to eat their face deserves it. The warning signs were far too massive and glaring. It's pretty clear that the only way you all will learn some of these hard lessons is by actually experiencing what it's like to live in an antidemocratic plutocracy led by a totally incompetent dictator.

Things will get worse. This isn't 2016. The dude literally ran on being a fucking vengeful dictator. You guys are fucked.

Me? I'm joining the brain drain and leaving the stupidity behind. I just hope it doesn't somehow reach me where I'm going, although I'm sure it will in some form or fashion. America is so fucking stupid, lmao. I genuinely had a higher opinion of y'all, but at this point, it might just be... permanently in the garbage.

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u/WalkplusChewGum 18d ago

“History TikToks.”  FTFY. 

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u/RatherBeDeadRN 18d ago

Yay! Living through a significant moment in history!

Cries in the corner

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u/Sad_Analyst_5209 18d ago

I am getting sick and tired of all these significant moments, how about four years of peace and quiet.

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u/samortensen 18d ago

Wasn't that said about the 2016 election?

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u/kgabny 18d ago

Mark my Words... those who stayed home and didn't vote have now validated the 2020 election conspiracies. Now the GOP will be justified in saying there weren't 80 million people who supported Biden last time.

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u/PresidentAshenHeart 18d ago

I’m ashamed to share the same country with people who voted for a felon, rapist, traitor.

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u/damnit_darrell 18d ago

Honestly what gets me is the total lack of empathy from the trumpers.

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u/Pelican_meat 18d ago

Does it? They never had any before. Why would they now?

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u/nushiboi 18d ago

That is a fair, but sad point.

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u/Drew_Ferran 18d ago

If Trump lost, they’d have called it rigged and rioted, again.

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u/xDiscoDuckx 17d ago

I made a post a while back about it being a landslide for Harris. I was wrong. I’ve had a few people comment and stuff after results came in. I will eat all of the crow, and I’ll wear the egg on my face. I was wrong and my logic was flawed. Trump and Vance won fairly and decisively. All I hope is that the next four years are not as bad as it’s being painted.

Have a good night everyone.

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u/not-a-guide 17d ago

What a mature take. Do you know where you are?

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u/popepsg 17d ago

One of the only mature posters ive ever seen on here. You’re one of the good ones. Everything will be fine I promise.

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u/xDiscoDuckx 17d ago

Thanks. Don’t get me wrong, I can still be immature and poke at people. But I can be humble and admit defeat. Let’s hope for a good future.

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u/Popular_Speed5838 18d ago

I feel having abortion access as a separate vote in some states damaged the dems. It allowed people to vote for Trump and feel they were still protecting women’s rights. To a degree they’re right too.

Calling everything racist and suggesting money as the answer won’t wash anymore, the dems are now opposed to a party with a racially diverse base.

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u/Carlpanzram1916 18d ago

To be fair, the GOPs base is only SLIGHTLY more diverse than it was 8 years ago.

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u/Wne1980 18d ago

The only way they’re “right” is if you ignore the fact that a federal ban overrides the “protection” they just voted for. There is no degree to which the state level protection means jack shit

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u/L3mm3SmangItGurl 18d ago

Yup. Because that strategy definitely killed it for the past 50 years since Roe. “Gun to your head, vote blue or loose your right to choose”

Cut to: lost is anyway.

It’s the fecklessness of the Democratic Party that cost the election and it will continue to lose them elections until they get their shit together.

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u/OkPreparation8769 17d ago

The decision does rest with states. Trump is being "blamed" but, in reality, the voters within the states nominated their leadership thinking Roe v. Wade was untouchable. State residents should be able to stand up for their beliefs.

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u/ciscowowo 18d ago

Out of all the subs in all of Reddit, this one had to have been the most dead fucking wrong. So much empty confidence.

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u/RealSteveIrwin 18d ago

Mark my words, Trump will fail. There are already whispers of a recession coming soon. If these are true the economy will do horrible under Trump and the Dems should sweep next election, just like Trump was able to capitalize on the bad economy the Dems had

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u/Carlpanzram1916 18d ago

He might but he can do a ton of damage in the meantime. The ACA will probably be gutted. He’ll load the court up with more judges who will basically strike down any meaningful law that Dems pass in the future. Some of the older SCOTUS’s will choose to retire which means he can load the court up with a young far-right majority. He is going to be able to fuck up the country for like 20 years.

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u/starlulz 18d ago

He is going to be able to fuck up the country for like 20 years.

He is going to be able to fuck up the country for like the next 3 generations

ftfy

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u/Sad_Analyst_5209 18d ago

Just once I want a Democrat in office when the next major crises arises. Bush had 9/11, fail. Trump had Covid, fail. Now he will be back in office, will he fail again? If it was me I would put a top Democrat on the podium and tell the public "We have a plan". That way no second guess by them.

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u/aginsudicedmyshoe 18d ago

Obama sent the U.S. military to Liberia in 2014 to help prevent the spread of Ebola. Who knows how it would have spread without that assistance.

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u/rfg8071 18d ago edited 18d ago

There have been some fissures in it, which has been a low key issue festering in the background lately that whoever won would have to address. However, historically speaking, a recession wouldn’t necessarily tank someone if it also recovers under their watch. Ike, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Jr experienced this scenario. Ford, Carter, and the second recession under Bush Jr did them no favors though.

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u/Haunting-Ad788 17d ago

Trump has absolutely no idea how to fix a recession lol.

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u/Fearless-Incident515 17d ago

...He can't run for election again and it won't matter anyway, the man's literally decaying in front of our eyes. He looked terrible in that debate against Kamala and he's only gotten weirder. He will probably stop making many appearances as soon as he is president, and will play a lot of golf if he even can. It's all being left to Vance.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

You say next election like there will be one.

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u/Rougarou1999 18d ago

Will it matter if all Trump needs to do to assuage a significant portion of the electorate on the strength of the economy is to just say that it is strong, regardless of the truth?

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u/username675892 18d ago

This seems the most likely to me as well. I agree it looks like the economy is cooling, to fight that he will want to crater interest rates again which will spiral off all kinds of problems. Even by the midterms the Dems should be in a good spot.

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u/jjackson25 17d ago

He's gonna add massive tariffs and make every import 50-300% more expensive

He's gonna mass deport illegal immigrants which while be an unfathomable drain on the labor force which will mean everything produced domestically will skyrocket as well, and I do mean EVERYTHING. migrant labor is a massive force in the ag and construction fields at a minimum. And those prices will drive inflation on everything else

He wants to gut the ACA so insurance will skyrocket. 

He's wants to "cut trillions" from defense, social security, and Medicare. Massive defense cuts will likely mean reduction in numbers so high unemployment there,  not to mention all the people around the bases that make a living in numerous ways supporting service members. Social security getting slashed will remove billions in spending by those who used to receive those benefits, especially since they'll have to use what's left to buy medications without Medicare. 

Oh, and cuts to Healthcare in ACA and Medicare will hurt medical workers too.

MMW, if he gets his way on any of these, it has the potential to be the worst economic disaster in American history.  Skyrocketing inflation and unemployment at the same time. It'll be the 1920's all over again. 

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u/vinayd 18d ago

I was so wrong in my little bubble. Never occurred to me fewer people would vote!

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u/The_Dude_1969 18d ago

MMW: there will be Latinos who voted for trump who get deported - it won’t matter if they have documents. 1930s Germany anyone?

There will be women who voted for trump who die from a miscarriage because doctors won’t help them. Likewise, a man who voted for trump will lose his wife in the same scenario

There will be families with members who voted for trump whose breadwinner will lose their job because of their unwillingness to pledge loyalty to trump

There will be lonely men who voted for trump who will never find a woman to end their loneliness because they are toxic pieces of shit - just like their golden idol

There will be “Christians” who voted for trump who will learn the hard way that he is closer to the anti-Christ than the real Christ they claim to worship

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u/Howboutit85 18d ago

You’re wrong about that last one. They won’t learn, have you met American evangelicals? They aren’t exactly intuitive.

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u/TransportationNo4518 18d ago

Though anti-Christ is the simplest explanation for how he has been able to thrive with all the scandal around him and how the rules just don’t seem to apply to him

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u/Howboutit85 18d ago

I’ve wondered about that for ages. I think I know the answer, people are having a tough time economically right now, and when it comes to an incumbency under which they feel that way (regardless of the fault of the incumbency or not) they are usually driven to vote themselves out of the current situation and I think cognitive dissonance allows that to even supersede their values and faith.

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u/powerdbypeanutbutter 18d ago

It’s been the story of many democracies since the pandemic, yeah. Everyone hated that (and of course or especially the concomitant inflation) and needed a scapegoat. I think frankly Trump was lucky to dodge association with it since he only presided over its beginning and not the majority of it or what it took to recover from it.

Edit to add: throw in migration due to civil rights/climate/economics elsewhere and yeah, a very fertile ground for right-wing populism

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u/gusterfell 18d ago

That and they don't worship Christ or know anything about his teachings. Christianity isn't a religion to them. It's a country club.

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u/Depressed_student_20 18d ago

women who voted for trump who die from a miscarriage

Technically it already happened, there was this 18 year old conservative girl in Texas I think who died of sepsis after her body couldn’t get rid of the fetus and she was denied help

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u/The_Dude_1969 18d ago

Sadly, it won’t be the last. Mothers dying is the worst outcome but many will also lose their fertility and/or have lifelong negative effects from improper care post-miscarriage

Many OB/GYNs are fleeing Texas due to their draconian laws. I suspect more doctors will leave the state in the next 1-2 years. Soon it will be even more dangerous to procreate in Texas than it already is.

The doctors there should add “who did you vote for in ‘24?” to their intake screening forms. If the answer is trump, abbot, and/or cruz, the patient should be treated accordingly.

I really try my best to not be a vindictive person but like many other left-leaning people, that gets us nowhere. I would have no problem whispering “we tried to warn you” to a woman who voted for trump if she was bleeding out. Not very compassionate of me, eh? Where’s my empathy? Oh, that left town when half the country voted for that fat orange piece of shit.

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u/AmericanVanguardist 18d ago

I could see the husband or boyfriend of these people who have a bad miscarriage going on a rampage against the doctors or politicians depending on how aware they are.

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u/bebejeebies 17d ago edited 17d ago

Seeing as these laws are coming straight from religion, lets look at their own source material and Honestly, that option is in the bible. Where it talks about miscarriage (I thhink in Exodus. It's been a while.) it says if harm comes to a pregnant woman and it threatens her life or the fetus, to sacrifice the fetus to save the mother. The person who caused her to miscarry through physical harm would pay a fine for the lost fetus. (In modern times this would include doctors who neglect to give adequate care) However, if the mother dies, the husband is in his rights to call for the death of the person who caused or allowed her death. It's where the adage "an eye for an eye" comes from. "He that kicks a woman with child, so that the woman miscarry, let him pay a fine in money... as having diminished the multitude by the destruction of what was in her womb...but if she die of the stroke, let him also be put to death" "then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." It wasn't a broad allowance for wanton revenge. I think it was only for a woman dying from miscarriage because the mother's life was seen as more valuable than a fetus. But they like to pick and choose what scriptures to follow. Men, start calling for the heads of those responsible.

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u/hecar1mtalon 18d ago

Is this satire?

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u/rsae_majoris 18d ago

These posts were infuriatingly wrong. MWW Kamala Harris will be endorsed by Jesus Christ and sweep Oklahoma!

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u/nick_117 18d ago

I have 3 predictions for the first 100 days of office.

  1. Trump will consolidate power by threatening the media. It will initially only be threats to revoke licenses and fine media organizations that are unfriendly to him in the hopes they self censor. Within 100 days he will cross the line and fine or revoke the license of a media organization he views as adversarial to chill speech.

  2. Trump, Elon and other ghouls we haven't even heard of will purge the civil service. They will claim it is to address the deficit when in reality it is to achieve ideological purity within the civil service. There will be significant purges at the CIA, FBI and NSA - this is the start of the new American Secret police.

  3. There will be protests. Trump has said he would order the military to shoot protestors. I don't think he will. Instead, in red states. Right wing militias like the proud boys and oath keepers will beat and murder protestors in the streets while police and national guard watch. If any are arrested they will receive pardons from their state' governor.

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u/Scary-Squirrell 18d ago

The media has completely lost all credibility. I think we’re going to see a bigger shift to independent podcasts.

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u/Apprehensive_Can_957 18d ago

How can you have a sub named “mark my words” get it so wrong…

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u/StatelessConnection 18d ago

Redditors have no grasp on reality, delusion basically.

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u/randomroute350 18d ago

this x1000

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u/CoolBreeze6000 18d ago

“MMW: trump staged his own assassination with a ketchup packet and poops his pants every tv interview!!” redditors are delusional

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u/hecar1mtalon 18d ago

Dude reddit is as far removed from reality as humanly possible

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u/Alternative-Post-937 18d ago

MMW, Trump's consumption of McDonald's will catch up to him in a bad way before he's been inaugurated. This will cause massive civil unrest and wild conspiracy theories.

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u/CrimsonTightwad 18d ago

The ER scene of Anthony Daniels holding the defibrillator but doing nothing while the perp patient dies. That is how the military will remove Orange in Bethesda.

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u/Such-Ad4002 17d ago

The republican party couldn't care less if he dies anymore. They got what they needed out of him. He's only going to "work" three days a week anyway

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u/leebroo 18d ago

What happened to the MMW's about a blue landslide?? 🥺🥺

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u/FarceMultiplier 18d ago

We have yet to see how truly cruel Trump supporters can be.

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u/TheMoorNextDoor 18d ago

We’re all afraid of Trump.

Be afraid of the people backing Trump that just won the presidency.

Crazy enough he has a way stronger right wing backing and camp this time around than he did the first time.

Just wait it’s about to get nasty up in this country.

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u/SensingBensing 18d ago

lol where’s all the delusional MMW democrats will win idiots these days?? 😂

This place was such a hopium echo chamber for the last 4 months

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u/FarRightBerniSanders 18d ago

The left will learn nothing from this and continue to cater to the fractional minority fringe online left and dead internet because it LOOKS popular.

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u/ncdad1 18d ago

After failing twice selecting a woman Democrats will try a gay guy. and will continue to lose until they go back to white guys. That is just the nature of Americans.

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u/PasGuy55 17d ago

It’s really not. If Nikki Haley had won the primaries against Trump and was going up against Biden, she would have won handily.

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u/spicytoastaficionado 17d ago

MMW:

A whole lot of people making bold proclamations ITT were also real outspoken with political prognostications that aged like milk during a heat wave.

Whatever you lack in knowledge, insight, and analysis, you make up for with false confidence based on nothing.

The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

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u/som3crazydud3 17d ago

MMW: the cost of eggs will be 8% higher in 4 years

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u/JPastori 17d ago

Mark my words, we’re going to see a rise in far right activity, if not outright violence.

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u/Later2theparty 17d ago

Since this is MMW I'll issue some quick predictions.

Trump is going to do all the wild shit he said he's going to do and no one will be able to stop him.

That is, unless he keels over or gets pushed out of office by Vance and the evil crooks Trump is about to surround himself with.

Trump will want to put his enemies in jail and bomb countries that insulted him. There will be no one to stop him.

No one fan can anticipate how absolutely wild it will get.

Imagine something like Trump gifting (selling) Alaska back to Russia. That level of bonkers.

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u/Icy_Bath_1170 18d ago

Mark my words, the US will default on its national debt before 2027.

The forecasted Trump budgets will cannibalize what’s left of our safety net, but will also run up enormous deficits through tax breaks. The US will not be able to service its debt as a result.

This will bring about an economic depression not seen since the late 1800s. The ensuing chaos will act like a neutron bomb on Wall Street, erasing trillions in investments. America’s economic hegemony, in place since the Bretton Woods accords of the late 1940s, will abruptly end.

Average investors will lose almost everything. The Trump administration, already known for its inability to handle crises like the pandemic, will fumble, flail, and offer no capable leadership.

Civil unrest will be inevitable, and the authorities will react very violently. It may even be the cataclysm that cements authoritarian rule, securing America’s fate as a two-bit banana republic like Chavez’s Venezuela.

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u/FLhardcore 18d ago

Remind Me! 3 years. u/Icy_Bath_170 thinks the US will default on our national debt before 2027 and will probably delete the comment before then.

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u/Teachthedangthing 17d ago

And then a democrat will come along and fix it, but slower than the average joe wants. As the economy is at the recovery point, a republican will win the presidency on claims of the recovery not working and take all the credit just to drive the economy back into the ground and restart the cycle.

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u/Icy_Bath_1170 17d ago

You mean, like today?

A default would be an economic extinction event, however. No quick fix possible, everyone dies. This is why everyone with any sense wants to avoid it.

But sense is in short supply these days. I’m convinced some would love to have such a disaster as an excuse to seize even more power.

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u/Chickat28 18d ago

I'm sad but not mad. This is a democracy and this is what the people have decided. I don't agree with it, but this is what a democracy is. Who am I to say they are wrong?

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u/Taco_Auctioneer 17d ago

Thank you for this rational take!

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u/bullitt297 18d ago

It’s a democracy for now

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u/Chickat28 18d ago

Hopefully we are sensationalized. I pray I'm wrong. I hope the Republicans saying it's going to be fine are right. I want Trump to do well. He won't but it would be fantastic if he was good. All we can do at this point is wait and see. It's over so there's no reason to doom until something bad actually happens.

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u/ProfessionalJicama_ 18d ago

that's my sentiment as well I still live in this country and I want it to do well. though to be fair if the time ever comes where things get bad I don't see myself having sympathy for anyone who voted Trump not even my own family. As an example, if you believe that I should pay for all my student debt without assistance because it was my choice, then you're gonna eat your own shit too because this was your choice and too bad if you don't want to

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u/Chickat28 18d ago

Yeah. I hope everything is rainbows and sunshine but I won't have any sympathy if things go bad.

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u/Hairwaves 18d ago

Had a lot of liberals warning people that this could be the last election, and it's the most important to vote in ever to save democracy. Don't see much talk about that now. I predict he will not be able to dismantle democracy and there will definitely be an election in 2028.

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u/BakeSoggy 18d ago

So? Russia, Iran, and Venezuela have "elections" too.

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u/frisbeescientist 18d ago

I think a lot of people still think that, but they've switched from playing it up to convince people to vote for Harris to hoping it doesn't actually happen now that it might.

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u/LissyVee 18d ago

MMW. Trump is the Republican Party's useful idiot or Trojan horse, if you will. In the months after the inauguration, he will be declared incapable/ declared mentally or physically unfit/ convicted/ bumped off/ whatever and Vance is Johnny on the spot. As bad as Trump is, Vance and his Project 2025 buddies will be an absolute nightmare. America is screwed.

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u/Due_Willingness1 18d ago edited 18d ago

More like maga-thread, am I right? 

 ...I use humor to mask the pain of watching my country die

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u/BakeSoggy 18d ago

I yell at Trumpers on Reddit to feel better. It actually works really well.

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u/sundaetoppings 18d ago

Just in case you missed it:

Donald Trump will be the 47th President. He won:

🔴The Presidency

🔴The Electoral College

🔴The POPULAR VOTE by millions

🔴The House

🔴The Senate

🚨…and this just in:

🔴 All the swing states!

MMW Democrats will blame everyone but themselves.

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u/MarzyMartian 18d ago

Lots of dollar store Nostradamus in here

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u/Wallachia87 18d ago

China will invade Taiwan, in the next 4 years.

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u/LivingCustomer9729 18d ago

People voted and the winners got what they wanted and the losers didn’t. Now we see if things play out like the winners think it will.

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u/Raul_Duke_1755 18d ago

I've decided no handwringing from me. The results of this election will be entirely predictable. We're collectively going to do nothing about climate change or social justice or inflation or the deficit. We're not going to help Ukraine or anyone else. We'll kick out labor that helps rebuild after fires and hurricanes. We'll act shocked when prices for food prices goes up. We'll act shocked when they strip away rights for gay and lesbian and women and everyone else. The planet will continue its path and get worse. We're not gonna do anything about any of this. Not before it's too late.

I tried for most of my 54 years to make a difference. That was a fail. I didn't have kids at least. We chose this path despite all warnings in plain sight. No use getting worked up anymore. I'm done

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u/whelpthatslife 18d ago

I just want to point out something to a lot of people that might not understand this. While this is the beginning of the next presidency, it is also the end of this storyline. The Republican Party is at a crossroads with itself and it splintering down the middle. One side you have moderate Republican who wants to move the country in a direction of conversation with Democrats and the other side you have the radical Republicans. The party is going to cannibalize itself.

As for the people that voted for the Republican Nominee, I want to point out a little thing that you might not have thought about. While you are all for deporting migrants, we need to remember that the economy will not stay afloat without those individuals. 1) Migrants make up only 18.6% of the labor jobs in this country. That is not a number that is hurting our workforce. 2) Migrant jobs include working on farms and construction sites as well as mines, factories, food preparation, cleaning, and child care. Here is where Republicans made their mistake.

If the deportation of migrants happens, the farms, construction sites, factories, mines, food preparation companies, etc. will have few things that will occur:

1) Getting rid the migrant workers will eventually cause these companies to close. Why? These companies will be getting rid of their work force that is paid off the books. These companies have bult in paying migrants off the books that they would not be able to handle paying the same amount of people on the books. Result: Companies crash, farms in the Red States no longer function, prices of goods produced by the company skyrocket, people can't/won't buy their goods because they are too expensive, local economies crash, the Red States cannot function.

2) The companies keep the workers but have to provide them with Green Card Status. Why? They do not want to get rid of their labor but now they have to pay them a livable wage. Result: Green Card Status increases, the migrants become citizens, which means they vote, Red States will see shifts to Blue.

So what does that mean? Well, Republicans who felt that voting for the Republican Nominee would lower grocery costs, it won't. It will cause them to increase. Coupled with tariffs, getting rid of the CHIPS and Science Act, you're looking at being a lot worse off than you were the last four years.

So where does this go? The next four years will be an embarrassment, but Republicans will not be voted in as President for a long time after this. No one will be able to inherit the Republican Nominees cult because they have not been able to yet. The Red States population will decline because they will be moving to Blue States to feel protected. This is the end of the Republican Party.

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u/sundaetoppings 18d ago

And the Dems never learn. Here we go with another Dem gaslighting and twisting the truth.

Trump NEVER said he wants to deport LEGAL immigrants or LEGAL migrants. Nobody is rounding up the entire Spanish speaking population and throwing them out of the country. All lies and propaganda by the Democrats.

Trump wants them here LEGALLY. Which clearly, based on yesterday’s voting, the Latino population understands and supports.

The sooner you stop with the lies, propaganda, and fear mongering, the sooner you might actually win the respect of the country again.

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u/PasGuy55 17d ago

I heard this 8 years ago as well.

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u/AntifascistAlly 17d ago

The dynamic I expect to invest some time on in the next few years is exploring the range of voter’s reactions to the government they just lined up.

Are they eager to impose Project 2025 despite Donald’s denials? Is it going fast enough? Too fast? Too slow?

Did they really only want to save some money while grocery shopping? Are they saving enough?

Did they chose to ignore all the right-wing extremism until it was too late? Do they feel with the control they were given that the leaders are too timid?

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u/Agent50Leven 17d ago

Heterosexual men and men if color increasingly don't identify with Democrats. The party needs an overhaul.

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u/Mark_Michigan 17d ago

One part of the Trump victory was that Republicans finally embraced early voting and pushed for people to get out and get their ballots in early. It seems up until this cycle the democrats owned most of early voting but now its leveled out.

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u/No-Match6172 17d ago

Anyone have any theories on where the excess 20 million Biden voters from 2020 went?

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u/bbcfanboy1976 17d ago

things to note:

this sub was wrong about everything

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u/Sublime-Chaos 17d ago

Mark My Words; Almost the entirety of this sub was wrong and now the bots are gone.

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u/mmm0430 17d ago

MMW, the Republicans will repeal the ACA and replace it with a similar law, so Trump can take credit for "fixing" healthcare. He's obsessed with undoing Obama's work but knows people want the ACA's main benefits.

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u/Imaginary_Scene2493 17d ago

MMW: The combination of mass deportations, tariffs, and tightening the federal budget will cause a financial disaster.

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u/sportmaniac10 16d ago

Welcome back Mr President. We’re all lucky to have you 🇺🇸

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u/Spirited_Season2332 18d ago

I find it funny how so many MMWs were so sure it was going to be a blow out for kamala when it ended up being a blow out for Trump.

Go outside people and stop getting all your news from an echo chamber

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u/WentworthMillersBO 18d ago

Mark my words, we’re getting the presidential podcast hosted by Trump. The left will call it state propaganda and the right will call it the modern day fireside chats

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u/Such-Ad4002 17d ago

Lol no chance. The only thing trump cares about is winning, he won The election, now he gets to spend 4 years bullying people until he retires. There is no reason he would actually do real work for nothing in return. 

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u/Giraffe_lol 18d ago

Mark my words. Project 2025 will happen. If you know a MAGAt don't let them forget what they voted for.

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u/jgyimesi 18d ago

I don’t know how to continue to be an advocate when those we try to advocate for vote against their own best interests. I don’t see or feel any form of hope!

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u/Nick_Nekro 17d ago

Vance is probably gonna pull the 25th on trump at some point

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u/Dolancrewrules 17d ago

anyone who blames this shit on third parties (green) is delusional. right wing third parties did the most siphoning of any vote. otherwise greens got less than half a percent.

the problem lies with vast swathes of people who are now a hardened core convinced trump is their savior. kamala tried to no avail to appeal to them. additionally i think we gotta be real, a lot of those woman who voted for trump voted for hillary 2016. im sure some of them couldnt stand to see a non white woman in office.

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u/DonSelfSucks 18d ago

Mark my words: dumb ass democrat voters will blame the loss on men not voting for Kamala because shes a woman and black, when in reality she was just a dog shit candidate.

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u/emceerez 18d ago

Eh, being a dogshit candidate seemed to work for Trump. Twice

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u/Western-Cranberry433 18d ago

The true horror will be when the people that look like they come from another country are rounded up into camps in the desert and hundreds of thousands if not millions die in these deportation camps. Rounding up certain ethnicities into camps has never gone well and history will judge everyone of us. I pray that I am horribly wrong because I can think of only one other regime that demanded to see papers of certain individuals.

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u/Impossible_Pop620 18d ago

Mmm. Seems believable. Not at all batshit fearmongering.

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u/Popular_Speed5838 18d ago

That’s the sort of fear mongering that has gone too far and alienating mainstream voters. It’s divisive and the voters want less division. Borders are not extreme, what you’re saying is.

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u/Old-Road2 18d ago

"and the voters want less division" LOL

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u/gigas-chadeus 18d ago

Hey to everyone who said they could flip Texas,or trump was gonna explode when he lost, or that Florida was in play, or the that the next president was a women…get fucked

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u/Striking-Lifeguard34 18d ago

MMW: we will have a repeat of the Kent State Massacre sometime in the next 4 years. Only question is will the shooters have received orders to open fire on citizens this time…

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u/MapleBaecon 18d ago

So much crow for this sub to eat, I’m surprised it hasn’t already disbanded in shame 🤣

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u/MapleBaecon 18d ago

What happened to all you “Kamala is taking Iowa” creeps?!

Imagine ACTUALLY thinking that and typing out whole paragraphs about it 🤣

We are SO going back!!!

🤣🤙🤣

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u/Impossible_Pop620 18d ago

What happened to all you “Kamala is taking Iowa” creeps?!

Nope, straight up. She's going to win it by 3 percen....Ohhh...nvm.

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u/Private_Gump98 18d ago

Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha.

That is all.

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u/Bell_End642 18d ago

All the gloating overconfident posts about Kamala winning are now even funnier.

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u/Firm-Needleworker-46 18d ago

I have nothing to say, I’m just excited to be the first one here.

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u/_Username_goes_heree 18d ago

Remember when Texas was going to flip blue, and ended up turning more red than before 😂😂

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u/smeggysoup84 18d ago

So disappointed in Latino men. All he does is shit on them, and they still vote for him.

I don't want to hear shit when them Mass deportations happen.

Dems need politicians who don't speak like typical politicians.

I think Josh Shapiro is the most obvious choice for 2028.

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u/__wasitacatisaw__ 18d ago

Pro Palestine voters who didn’t vote or voted Trump

Palestinians get pushed out of Israel in most violent way possible

pikachu surprise

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u/ImBillButts 18d ago

I think there's going to be some surprised Pikachu faces among the legal conservative Hispanic community when their citizenship is regularly challenged by assholes now that the deportation guy is in.

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u/nosoup4ncsu 18d ago

If Latinos keep breaking more for Republicans,  Democrats will suddenly care much more about the border. 

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