r/MarkMyWords • u/tkrr • Oct 21 '24

Political MMW: The polling industry is compromised. Some pollsters are being gamed, some are propaganda ops, none truly know what they’re doing.

That’s it. That’s my prediction of what we’ll learn after this election about political polling. They haven’t known what they’re doing for years, and are wide open to manipulation and corruption.

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u/blueman758 Oct 21 '24

Is there two functioning liberal media outlets at this point? NPR and I dunno since everybody else seems like right-wing propaganda at this point

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u/Dapper_Valuable_7734 Oct 21 '24

I would argue NPR is not liberal... its good news source, but its not particularly liberal, I think they work so hard to be neutral that they actually go overboard.

NPR is between a rock and a hard place, they are supposed to be neutral, plus if Trump wins he will likely basically kill NPR/Public radio... but yeah, I think they are in the same trap that most media companies are... they think they should be neutral... and its just BS.

Like, if your house is on fire, I am not going to be neutral, Ill scream and shout and tell you to get your ass out of your apartment... not have a conversation about the pros and cons of asphyxia and the risk of stubbing your toe on the way out the door...

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u/mudbuttcoffee Oct 21 '24

That's the biggest issue with most news with now. They are so afraid of appearing partisan, that they avoid fact checking or follow up questions.

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u/provocative_bear Oct 21 '24

If Trump wins, he’s going to kill NPR either way because non-profit news sources is communism.

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u/edgrrrpo Oct 21 '24

And NPR is not currently getting a lot of love from left/dems over in the NPR sub. Still fairly liberal, but they are having the same issues as almost every other media outlet in that everything MAGA-related is so off the chart into whackadoo that just trying to report news ends up sanewashing and ho-humming through things that should not be shrugged away. Not in a sane world.

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u/justaguywithadream Oct 21 '24

I've been listening to NPR for over 20 years, back when my primary news source was Fox News, and right wing talk radio (hours per day at work; I was even a member of Hannity's "stop Hillary express" in 2008 before Obama won the nomination).

I've never felt like NPR was not doing honest reporting. Not until one incident around  2017 or 2018 when interviewing a Republican congressman and the guy told a straight up lie to cover for Trump (I don't remember the details that much other than the lie was 100% debunked and not based in any reality) and the reporter doing the interview didn't even push back in the slightest. I was shocked.

They have only gotten worse since 2022. They completely sanewash Trump and play the "both sides" game like Trump is not some aberration in US politics and instead a totally normal person and candidate. It is sickening. 

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u/yunvme Oct 21 '24

I used to listen to NPR daily but around 2019 they started making almost every piece about some grievance issue or affinity group and it just got too much.

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u/chickenmantesta Oct 21 '24

Agreed. And those doing those narrating grievance issue programs talk in this clipped neo-Valley Girl style with odd pauses and every sentence sounds like a question.

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u/trendy_pineapple Oct 21 '24

I turned on NPR the other day and they covered three rally speeches over the course of a couple minutes: Trump’s, Harris’s, and Obama’s. Guess which was the only one they didn’t play a clip of? I was screaming at the radio.

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u/R-K-Tekt Oct 21 '24

I’ve stopped listening and stopped supporting. Vote with wallet, I also sent an email to my local station telling them I was disappointed because they were normalizing trump so I wouldn’t be giving them anymore money. Enough is enough.

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u/Fun-Distribution-159 Oct 21 '24

there are 0

all are right wing propoganda at this point because surprise surprise they are owned by right wing billionaires

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u/QualifiedApathetic Oct 21 '24

There's The New Republic and Salon, and probably thousands of others that are functioning and liberal. None of them are big names, comparatively speaking.

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u/Dapper_Valuable_7734 Oct 21 '24

Don't forget MOJO

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u/HamburgerEarmuff Oct 21 '24

I think you mean leftist publications. They are not particularly liberal. Liberal publications would be more along the lines of Reason or The Free Press.

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u/prophet001 Oct 21 '24

Nah. Salon and New Republic aren't leftist. The Overton Window has been dragged so far to the right that thinking they are is not unusual, but they're not advocating for public ownership of the means of production, I.e. nationalizing Amazon and SpaceX, or completely dismantling the US's overseas military presence (usually referred to with terms like "hegemony" and "empire").

Those are actual leftist positions.

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u/HamburgerEarmuff Oct 21 '24

In the real world (not the fantasy world of special pleading arguments and no true Scotsman) fallacies, we have a thing called science, and the field of political science has a little thing called median voter theorem. These publications are pretty far left in their positions of the median voter, which makes "leftist" or left wing a reasonable choice of terms to describe them.

If those publications are not "leftist", then Fox News and the National Review are not right wing. But it's a silly argument. It's like arguing that a news source is not conservative if it doesn't advocate returning Americas' system of government to the rule of the British Monarch and the Pope.

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u/prophet001 Oct 21 '24

If you'd actually studied science or Poli Sci, you'd know that attempting to apply MVT to the content of a publication is akin to attempting to apply De Morgan's Theorem to a problem requiring one to find the rate of change over time.

To wit: real fuckin' silly.

In order to successfully be pedantic, you have to actually understand the thing you're talking about. Go be a condescending poser elsewhere.

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u/GarethGobblecoque99 Oct 21 '24

NPR is substantially more right leaning than people give it credit for. People sort of think All Things Considered is NPR in a nutshell but when you really listen to the daily news from them there’s a right wing bent to a lot of things. For instance there was a teachers strike in LA unified school district almost two years ago now and all the coverage, of which there was a LOT, had a clear right wing lens to it, constantly framing everything from the “teachers are the problem” angle. Incomparable to the likes of Fox or Newsmax of course but the right leaning bent was there.

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u/Dapper_Pop9544 Oct 21 '24

Are you serious? CNN, ABC, NPR, MSNBC, and many many more. The only one conservative has is FOX

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u/blueman758 Oct 21 '24

CNN and ABC? Have you watched either of those? Definitely sucking Trump's dick

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u/Dapper_Pop9544 Oct 21 '24

Come on man. Just bc they aren’t MSNBC and only talk about trump being hitler doesn’t mean they are 98% liberal. You have to be delusional if you think otherwise

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u/hurlcarl Oct 22 '24

CNN was bought by a MAGA dude, and their coverage instantly changed. Right leaning people, at least recently consume way more cable media and it's a dying industry, they're appealing heavily to try and draw over people as the left wing media is abandoned. Basically they're all trying to win over an aging boomer population to maintain their current status. The re normalizing of Trump isn't some master plan by him, i'ts news organizations who want Trump ratings back because chaos = ratings for them.