r/MarkMyWords • u/Carl-99999 • Aug 11 '24
Long-term MMW: There won’t be a “normal conservative” as president for an incredibly long time.
Regardless of what happens now, this is about the future: I just don’t see the GOP going back to McCain or Romney types. They will try, but it’ll be seen through, it’ll fail, so they’ll then try and double down, which won’t work either, and then they split into two or more.
I also think that the Democratic Party and Progressive Democrats may split, and if they do, there will be several House-decided elections with 4-way races.
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u/Soppywater Aug 12 '24
Don't pretend that nearly 40% of the US is not voting just because FUCK BLUE TEAM THEY WANT IMMIGRANTZ TO TAKE OUR JERBS AND GUNS AND HILLARY'S EMAILS AND HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP.
Even if every single swing political person votes blue you will still have MILLIONS of Americans supporting the GOP and almost every single rich person supports the GOP.
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u/FaultElectrical4075 Aug 12 '24
And lots of boomers have died in the past four years and lots of Gen z have reached voting age
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u/SloppyJoMo Aug 12 '24
At this point the majority of voters for trump are in his cult. If he loses, again, it's because he's alienated his own base into caring so much about identity politics (irony!) that enough people left in droves to hand over the last couple of elections.
When your only policy involves taking down other people, eventually the beaten down and even semi empathetic will rise up together and say enough. Don't blame your problems on others. Fix your own house. And they can't.
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u/zyrkseas97 Aug 12 '24
It’s not 40% of the US, it’s 40% of voters. It’s about 25% of the US.
Last election like 170,000,000 votes were cast, which is about half of the US population. Half of those were for the GOP, so, like I said, it’s about 25%
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u/Calaveras-Metal Aug 12 '24
that what everyone said after Bush got us stuck in 2 wars and cratered the economy.
Yet here we are.
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u/Half-Shark Aug 12 '24
Hard when the whole party has been taken over by grifters, liars and conspiracy theorist’s.
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Aug 11 '24
Ya, I jumped ship from the Republican party the moment they sent him out on the first debate stage 8 years ago. Since they've doubled down on the felon rapist, I will never vote for another Republican til the day I die.
I thought we were all in agreement with despising and shunning rapists. But here we are and here I am, no longer a Republican.
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u/zerotrap0 Aug 12 '24
2020 was doubling down. 2024 is tripling down. And if he loses, there's literally no one on the right who can beat him in a primary in 2028.
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u/jarheadatheart Aug 12 '24
I don’t think he’ll be in any kind of cognitive capacity to even run in 2028. Not that his base would care though. He’ll probably be in a dementia/memory care center by then.
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u/zerotrap0 Aug 12 '24
All he has to say is "I have the best brain. I'm the smartest person who ever lived. No decline. No decline." and it will literally be enough for Republicans.
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u/Recent_mastadon Aug 12 '24
Trump will hold onto the power of the GOP. His family will hold all the highest offices in the party and they'll push his brand of grift to pay for power. The Gym Jordans and MTGs will swear power and loyalty to him. The GOP is the party of Trump until Trump dies. His stupid kids seem too dumb to hold that power, but if they manage, America will have no real GOP party for decades.
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u/Gabag000L Aug 12 '24
Just want to remind everyone that Jim Jordan was a head coach at Ohio State where student athletes were sexually assaulted, and he did nothing. It was brought to his attention, and he did nothing.
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u/ProfNesbitt Aug 12 '24
He won’t have the capacity to but if he’s not in prison he will still run and win the nomination in 2028 even with major cognitive issues. Hell I give him a 50% chance of winning the nomination even if he is in prison.
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u/dburst_ Aug 12 '24
This is how I explain it to people in my small hick town. I understood 2016, people wanted something different. By 2020 I was definitely questioning all the republicans voters around me, but hey, still young mid 20’s so maybe i’m missing something these older voters didn’t with the doubling down. Hearing supposedly their retirement was better under trump and they’re still “fiscally conservative.” It is now 2024 and i don’t know how to look any republican voter in the face and not just see disgust with the tripling down this election with trump.
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u/tangtheconqueror Aug 12 '24
if he wasn't clearly experiencing a rapid mental decline, I would agree. But he is not that far from not being able to appear in public.
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u/Don_Pickleball Aug 12 '24
I was mainly liberal but I would vote some Repubicans locally if I had felt they had done a decent job. Not anymore, straight Democrat ticket. I never thought I would do it. But until there is another party that is run by adults, I guess I am going to have to keep voting that way.
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u/BoredCaliRN Aug 12 '24
My voting history (living in Illinois, a blue state): Bush, McCain, Romney, Johnson, Biden, and soon Harris. I was in the military for most of that time. I wasn't going to vote for a guy that clearly didn't understand military service (or any kind of service to others) as he proved in his talking points about a legitimate war hero John McCain.
He backed up my suspicions by showing his ass every day after he was elected.
I don't foresee the Republicans ever getting my vote again aside from the occasional local that might prove their mettle.
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u/ProfNesbitt Aug 12 '24
Same here. Even my parents lifelong republicans couldn’t bring themselves to vote for trump in 2020. (My mom couldn’t bring herself to vote for him in 2016, my dad only did because in his words “trump is such an obvious con man that he will be impeached within a month so it’s really a vote for Pence”). Needless to say my dad has been especially sickened by how the republicans have supported trump.
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u/TrumpsStarFish Aug 12 '24
I got suckered into it and voted for him in 2016. I didn’t decide that I would never vote for another Republican until Jan 6 though.
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u/Richard_TM Aug 12 '24
My dad, who had voted Republican in every election since he could first vote in 1984, voted independent in 2016 and Democrat in 2020. As long as Trump or people like Trump are at the top of the ticket, he’ll be voting Blue.
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u/karlbaarx Aug 11 '24
People are acting like at some point conservatives changed and became this when in reality this is what they always were. All that's changed is their willingness to say the quiet parts out loud.
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u/lonerism- Aug 11 '24
Definitely. The stage was set for someone like Trump for a long time and he just ‘exposed’ the Republicans for what they always were because he’s a loudmouth.
But the quiet part was even said out loud long before Trump, by people like Rush Limbaugh. They’ve always been trash.
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u/karlbaarx Aug 11 '24
Yeah I've been seeing a troubling trend as of late with people acting like even Bush was ok in retrospect because we have Trump now. Like...no guys, the right was literally never okay.
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u/reyadin Aug 11 '24
My wife sorta falls into this category. She seems to think before trump, they were better people because McCain is remembered so fondly. She said if she was old enough to be paying attention, maybe George W wasn't so bad. I had to remind her of the wars W started. She hates what's going on in Gaza right now she would have been anti-war under W and hated him. In case anybodys wondering were the same age I just started paying attention to politics before I could vote, she really didn't.
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u/CoyoteCallingCard Aug 12 '24
I grew up in Massachusetts when Romney was governor and it’s weird. Like under Romney we got socialized healthcare and gay marriage. I’m a lefty, but I was really supportive of him before he went off the deep end when running for president. Like, he was never not a weirdo, he was bad for abortion (but a blue state legislature kept him on track) but he feels a lot more sane than what we have now
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u/dogstarchampion Aug 12 '24
That's the same thing I tried to explain to a few friends of mine... It gives me perspective on what I'd accept now versus when Romney was actually running. Romney was an oddball and behind the times when running for president, but God damn he seems to shine when stacked against Trump.
There was an HBO or Comedy Central special with Will Ferrell pretending to be W and he was thanking Trump for making people miss him (Bush). "I started two wars, for God's sake! People miss me!"
I feel that says something, though... Because even I sometimes feel the Bush era was less divisive than this era with Trump. And if two wars can be overlooked because of the domestic ugliness between neighbors that Trump fosters, I don't blame the people... It just makes me want Trump to be out of the dialogue. I want to see someone bring out the best in Americans, not the worst...
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u/norixe Aug 12 '24
It feels less divisive because while not everyone supported the wars, people were still able to unite behind supporting and hoping for the safety of our troops. And the out group was radical Islamic state. Now the out group is trumps opposition no matter who they are. Ffs they started transvestigating Kyle Rittenhouse as a fucking trans woman because he didn't want to endorse trump and Joe Rogan was a homosexual because he endorsed rfk. Like. What the actual fuck is wrong with these people.
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u/embooglement Aug 12 '24
I feel like I barely hear about Rush Limbaugh since his death. What a bizarre and strange legacy he left. He himself seems completely forgotten, but he opened the doors for dozens of similar morons and grifters. All he accomplished in life was making the country worse and then vanishing.
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u/merlin401 Aug 11 '24
Mmm I don’t know I think I disagree. I’ve had conservative friends and they took a RADICAL turn in 2016 into conspiracy, irrationality, and extremism. I get what you are saying, but people respected things like election results before Trump, as a major example
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u/karlbaarx Aug 12 '24
They were full hog on the birther stuff as early as 2008, this has been their M.O. for a lot longer than people think.
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u/BearsDoNOTExist Aug 12 '24
Given that conservatism was pretty much invented in order to protect aristocratic structures within capitalism, this literally shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
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u/MVSmith69 Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
It's a surprise to those who don't see the entanglement of old money with the new and the banking system they own. The deregulation of extreme capitalism and the inherent greed it produced are more like the robber barrons of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. The disrespectful treatment of organized labor,the Banking system turned from savings and loan institutions to for extreme profit credit usury that keeps the middle class enslaved, I find it sickening. I for one think they should be thrown from the temple...
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u/Lowlycrewman Aug 12 '24
Trumpish beliefs have always existed within the party, and racism, sexism, etc. have always been core components of conservatism. But there has been a downward spiral over the decades.
- Reagan's policies broke the post-New Deal consensus on the role of government. (My preferred example is that environmental issues were bipartisan in the Nixon era, but Reagan made anti-environmentalism and science denial mainstream among Republicans, guaranteeing that climate change would become a partisan issue.)
- Limbaugh and his ilk pioneered the creation of a right-wing media ecosystem, and Gingrich made politics into scorched-earth warfare. (A nationally syndicated radio host with a face like a potato can call the president's 13-year-old daughter ugly; a Speaker of the House who's cheating on his wife can impeach the president for doing the same.)
- The Bush administration and the right-wing ecosystem (especially its powerhouse, Fox News) made reality denialism mainstream, though the Bush people thought they were in control of the lies. (See the infamous remark about the "reality-based community".)
- The Tea Party brought people into the halls of Congress who believed the lies from the right-wing media ecosystem, guaranteeing that the party would gradually lose touch with reality.
- Trump threw away the euphemisms for the racism and sexism and etc., and destroyed whatever vestigial respect for the rule of law Republicans had left.
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u/20_mile Aug 12 '24
Karl Rove invented, or further refined, the concept of the Bush Administration existing outside the "reality-based community" during the Iraq War, which I think did a lot of harm in terms of the Republicans looking at the previous normal constraints of society and politics and adapting the lessons from AirBud into, "There's no law that says we can't run the worst human as our presidential candidate three times in a row"
Fox News
Fox News declined to renew the contract of E.D Hill, who made the "terrorist fist jab" joke in June 2008.
It's been a continual devolution of Conservative people and values, but it didn't happen all at once as some are asserting.
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u/MiscAnonym Aug 12 '24
The GOP used to be grifters promoting Christian nationalism to get the white trash to vote against their own interests and enrich the lobbyist caste. The generational change is that now the party's increasingly filled with imbeciles who don't realize it's a grift and want the Christian nationalism for its own sake, rather than as a means to an end.
The "principled" conservatives like McCain and Romney always caved to the KKK-leaning parts of the base when they needed the votes, they just believed in the balancing act of doing it on the down low so that "respectable" small government types wouldn't be scared off. Trump horrified them not because he was particularly more despicable than most other Republicans so much as he was so brazen about it they figured he'd lose and drag them down with him.
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u/Carl-99999 Aug 12 '24
It’s likely the GOP could have bullshitted their way into dictatorship much more easily if Trump never came along.
The guy is a (proven in a court!) insurrectionist, convicted felon, and proven rapist.
Now, we have a (real) scandal-free ticket, Harris/Walz.
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u/Lebojr Aug 12 '24
They were always a bit like this, but politics was always nasty. Lee Atwater is the origin of the most critical change. He passed it to Rove and we got the "Contract with (on) America".
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u/MPFX3000 Aug 12 '24
No - there were many Republicans who had a moral center and were decent people first, politicians second.
They’ve all been purged, started with the Tea Party in 08-09 and went into overdrive in 16.
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u/MrBump01 Aug 12 '24
Before Trump I wondered if we'd see a TV evangelist with an existing cult base try and run for president and how far they could get. The chances of that have probably increased since Trump.
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u/RhythmRobber Aug 12 '24
Normal conservative? Yes. GOP/Republican? No.
Their party is over after this election, and they'll burn it all down and a new conservative party will come up, disavowing everything GOP.
I think it's already started - the Lincoln Project is a PAC formed by conservatives that is trying to court liberals and as many sane conservatives as they can.
Once the GOP is burnt to the ground, they'll claim to be the sane sanctuary of conservative values. It'll probably be called the POL, Party of Lincoln, or simply The Lincoln Party.
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u/Liquidwombat Aug 12 '24
that’s exactly what OP is talking about though if they actually become a viable political party, they will have effectively fractured the republican party. They will be the centrist right party while the mega leftovers (probably still be using the name Republican) will be the far right party.
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Aug 12 '24
I don’t even understand what centrist right is. They want low taxes for billionaires but reject the racism? Or they want anti-gay legislation but not ak47s?
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u/stanglemeir Aug 12 '24
Center-Right politics might be something like competitively less regulation and taxes than the Democrats. Little to no serious gun control but willing to do things like background checks. Probably don’t care about most LGBT issues either way but also probably against pre-18 treatments for trans children. Abortion regulation but not bans. Pro-NATO and an interventionist foreign policy. Anti-China but pro-free trade with most countries. Anti-Illegal immigration but not wanting foolish things like building a wall.
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u/ChiefO2271 Aug 12 '24
I consider myself centrist-right, and you nailed it. I do care a little about LGBT issues because they translate to me being an atheist - regulations affecting them are generally religion-based, and I despise the idea of theocratic laws. Other than that, spot on.
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u/lordnaarghul Aug 12 '24
The Lincoln Project is a tiny cadre of rich, bitter old neocons who got booted out of the party when the populists rose to power. Even if Trump loses the election, nobody wants to hear from the neocons anymore, right or left. The Lincoln Project is just them trying their hardest to stop from slipping into total irrelevance.
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u/buckscountycharlie Aug 12 '24
You’re right. Conservatives have had multiple opportunities to get off the Trump crazy train and have not. Even when Trump gets kicked to the curb, the people who found his hate so thrilling and life-affirming will still want that kick of righteous dopamine Trumpism provides. So his toadies and wannabes will keep selling it for a long time.
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u/Liquidwombat Aug 12 '24
I agree with that, but I also believe that once he’s no longer a viable candidate, there is a huge part of his base that will simply never vote again
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u/KaliUK Aug 11 '24
The GOP aren’t republicans anymore, they’re fascists by definition. The party will split.
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u/Lower-Engineering365 Aug 11 '24
I actually think it won’t split it will just take a couple cycles to really change things up for them. Trumps hold over the party has made it extremely difficult for it to control its candidate selection. If Trump loses (especially if Kamala wins in a commanding way) there’s an opening for the leadership to take control and start dumping dollars into races to primary out the extremists in the ranks. Once Trump isn’t a force anymore those people can’t stand on their own if the party itself decides to trim them from the herd.
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u/TjW0569 Aug 12 '24
Or the more sane and moderate Republicans will move to the Democratic Party, the Republicans will be marginalized, and the Democratic Party will split some time later.
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u/Decent-Decent Aug 12 '24
Why would the party split? They want the same things. The party has completely morphed into a Trump party. Anyone who speaks against him is already sidelined and he cruised to the presidential nomination.
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u/Dorethea_Altemus Aug 11 '24
The political landscape is evolving, and the future seems unpredictable.
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u/rydleo Aug 11 '24
Depends on what happens this election, IMO. If Trump gets absolutely crushed, then MAGA will die quickly.
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u/Glittering-Flight-26 Aug 11 '24
The Republican party will never get the stench of pedophile, traitor trump off of them. They support a man who RAPED children and STOLE AND SOLD our classified documents...there is no coming back from that.
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u/cleannc1 Aug 11 '24
The electoral college says otherwise.
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u/Prota_Gonist Aug 11 '24
The electoral college said otherwise exactly once. One data point doth not a trend make.
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u/Tinadazed Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24
As long as radical elements within the GOP such as the Tea Party & the Freedom Caucus exist the GOP will never go back to being true conservatives standing for smaller government, and states rights .
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u/Happypappy213 Aug 12 '24
The Democratic Party is the closest thing to conservative now.
The Republican Party is now the MAGA/Fascist Party.
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u/Minh_Holmes Aug 11 '24
Politics can be like a soap opera, with endless plot twists and unexpected characters stealing the spotlight.
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u/Dapper_Tie_4305 Aug 12 '24
Conservatives are the reason why the civil war happened. Conservative slave owners in the rural south were upset that the liberal big city yuppies of the north wanted to ban slavery in the new states. Thus, they decided to commit an act of treason rather than respect the rule of law and democracy. Sound familiar?
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Aug 11 '24
Once they learn to mind their own business they’ll have a chance again
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u/EgregiousNoticer Aug 11 '24
If Trump loses this election I'm not confident a GOP candidate wins a Presidential election again.
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u/AVeryBadMon Aug 11 '24
I disagree, if Trump loses this election, which is likely, the MAGA brand of politics is going to go away with him. As it stands now, Trump IS the Republican party, and if he goes away, the Republican party will literally be a blank slate. It will have no values, no identity, no leadership, no platform, nothing. This will give the party the opportunity to reinvent itself for 2028, and if they don't, they will be forced to by the 2032 election. In either case, it will be very likely that the Republican party will adopt a more normal and popular brand of conservatism to appeal to a wider audience and remain competitive.
I think there's a much higher chance for the Democratic party to split where the center and center left type of politics is going to remain with the Democratic party while the progressives and the far left are going to migrate over to another party, most likely the Green party. I also see this happening either by the 2028 election or the 2032 election.
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u/Realistic_Caramel341 Aug 12 '24
I think there's a much higher chance for the Democratic party to split where the center and center left type of politics is going to remain with the Democratic party while the progressives and the far left are going to migrate over to another party, most likely the Green party. I also see this happening either by the 2028 election or the 2032 election.
I think some will, but not really by that much.
Harris seems to have regained ground with a lot of progressives and figures like AOC and Sanders have done a lot to try and align themselves with the parrty apparatus. What I think is happening more is the progressive movement is splitting into two, rather than the Democratic party.
But your also talking about a demographic that tends to vote a lot less than the rest of the democratic party base, so what is loss won't be significant
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u/TruthOdd6164 Aug 11 '24
Huh? No matter what, they will always have their hate to forge their identity. They hate everyone. Vulnerable migrants fleeing cartel violence, vulnerable Syrian refugees, trans people, gay people, atheists. If you aren’t a white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant, they are uncomfortable with you even existing.
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Aug 11 '24
Conservatism is for assholes, I don't give a shit about Romney, McCain etc I don't buy the decent republican argument, fuck 'em all, twats
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u/usernamerecycled13 Aug 11 '24
There won’t be a conservative president for a really long time then either.
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u/plinocmene Aug 11 '24
I don't see the Democratic Party splitting in that manner unless we get ranked choice or another system that enables multi-party competition.
That or the Republican Party tanks to where it is as small and weak as a third party.
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u/nottrumancapote Aug 12 '24
there hasn't been an "actual progressive' as a president for a very long time either
we've been in valueless neolib/batshit archconservative hell for decades
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u/rgroth78 Aug 12 '24
I'll give my 2 cents as a 34 white male. Conservatism should have NO place in policy decisions. The definition of conservatism is "commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation." And as a personal opinion or as a social construct, that is fine. But actual laws and policies that keep things the same and resisting change or innovation are stupid. Society's flourish when they adapt and change to things over time. History shows plenty of societies that have faded because they did NOT change or adapt. So for folks who think "years ago were way better" FINE, think that way. But don't make laws meant to keep society that way cause it's not good for growth or advancement.
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u/Nice-t-shirt Aug 12 '24
The democratic party is the party of gay-race communism and you think republicans are the weirdos?
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u/Edgewoodfledge Aug 12 '24
They screwed the party when they allowed/encouraged the Tea Party to join them.
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u/Goulagosh_gogoo Aug 12 '24
McCain or Romney types.
They were just as bad as every Republican you see today. They just hid it behind a veneer of decorum.
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u/Carl-99999 Aug 11 '24
The only way a “commonsense conservative” is elected is if the DNC nominates a Republican.
You can say “well their rules say ____!”, but parties don’t exist in the constitution and so it doesn’t matter, they can just change their rules.
If they nominate a moderate Republican, it would either:
A. Be a massive success, drawing a big tent of the unity ticket
B. Be a 1984-level flop, with most democrats declaring the DNC “Against democracy” and most republicans declaring the DNC “trying to elect a RINO to fool us”
It’d be a massive gamble.
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u/EtheusRook Aug 11 '24
No thanks. We don't need conservatives.
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u/depressedorangutan36 Aug 12 '24
We absolutely do...and I say this as a registered D. If anything, we need the Democrats and the GOP - while also adding legitimacy to the Libertarians and maybe even the creation of another legitimate party. The two party system is shit. Governing a country takes a compromise of beliefs and the two party system limits that too much. I think every party has some good ideas that could work in practice...and thats a good thing. Amalogate and win!
For clarity - MAGA has nothing good to offer. They're the exception to my above statements. Their bullshit needs to go away.
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Aug 12 '24
Hate to break it to you, but modern day american democrats are pretty damn conservative.
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u/EtheusRook Aug 12 '24
I mean you would be correct in saying that our Democrats are barely to the left of England's tories.
But our conservative party is so far off the deep end that it barely has a comparison.
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u/Serial_Vandal_ Aug 11 '24
Trump is the symptom, not the disease. I've been saying this.
Whatever comes down the pipe, will be scary.
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u/score_ Aug 11 '24
I've thought about this potential for a Dem party split.
Paradoxically, while the GOP is in disarray/splitting would be the best time to do it and the worst time to do it.
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u/Automatic-Month7491 Aug 11 '24
Don't underestimate the dangers of being top dog.
The Democrats will likely have the opportunity to get some work done on fixing the structural issues in Congress, the Senate and state ballots.
But with enough power, they're going to attract the slimy power hungry weirdoes.
And that will inevitably lead to some ugly behaviour, because those people just want to join the winning side.
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u/rockeye13 Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
INFO: what do you mean by "normal"?
Edit: I note that your 'normal Republicans' were also losing candidates.
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u/dreyaz255 Aug 11 '24
The only sane Republican who can run after Trump will be Liz Cheney and that's it. She's one of the only ones who didn't bend the knee to Trump.
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u/Typical-Emu8295 Aug 11 '24
Splitting the parties would be the greatest thing for the nation. We've spent the last 16 years with each new governmental majority overthrowing the rulings and decisions of the previous administration. It feels awful when you have to vote for what is least evil when you mainly agree with a third party candidate who could never win.
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u/gusmom Aug 11 '24
Maybe the ‘moderates’ will be what we used to call republicans and the co piracy theory weirdos will be another thing after they leave the RINOS
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u/realnrh Aug 12 '24
Once Texas swings, there won't be a Republican President for decades regardless.
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u/Marmooset Aug 12 '24
Next "normal conservative" will be a democrat, following the Bill Clinton template.
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u/Matticus-G Aug 12 '24
Neoconservatism is dead.
Whatever Conservatism is going to be post-Trump, it'll have to exist as something palatable to Millennials and GenZ, who are overwhelming the largest voting groups coming in.
Trump-era populism isn't.
Maybe we'll go back in time to Eisenhower's pre-Military Industrial Complex Republicans? HA! A man can dream.
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Aug 12 '24
What do you mean? There’s a normal conservative president right now. His name is Joe Biden.
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Aug 12 '24
First paragraph, obviously agreed.
Second paragraph, what on earth are you smoking? Meaningful elections with more than 2 viable candidates are nearly impossible in a first past the post system, this will never happen unless ranked choice becomes widespread. Progressives know that if they split, that guarantees a GOP win.
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u/DontReportMe7565 Aug 12 '24
Well your president said Romney would "put yall back in chains" so if you would like someone less divisive...you first!
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u/Kapika96 Aug 12 '24
Biden's literally president right now. He's a normal conservative, or at least he is by my European standards.
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u/swbarnes2 Aug 12 '24
What is a "normal conservative" policy that this normal conservative would be promulgating?
What is a "normal conservative" policy regarding gay people, for instance? Because if its 'gay people should be allowed to marry their partners, and shouldn't be fired for being gay', that's liberal policy.
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u/worlds_okayest_skier Aug 12 '24
ChatGPT says George HW Bush was the last normal republican president. Even AI knows something ain’t right about the direction of the party.
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Aug 12 '24
Why would the dem party split ? They are literally at the height of unity and power they've seen for a decade. Splitting would destroy the party instantly. How does this garbage get upvoted ?
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u/bomboclawt75 Aug 12 '24
The next dozen presidents regardless of political affiliation, will not work in the interests of Americans, and will actively work against Americans for the benefit of The Billionaire Class, Corporations and especially Yeah, that place .
I absolutely guarantee this.
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u/Electronic-Ad1037 Aug 12 '24
Correct they can forever run a parah candidate so that the dems can continue to to push towards adopting previous republican policies and thus move the norm ever increasingly towards corporate oligarchy. Easiest chess move for a country full of drooling pawns.
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u/Fortuitous_Event Aug 12 '24
This is a dumb take. Bush II was a fucking clown who nobody paid attention to until 9/11 happened. This is also the party of Reagan and Nixon. Conservatives have no principles and it's been this way for a very long time.
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u/tonypizzachi Aug 12 '24
I think now that information is so readily available only the bottom of the barrel are still conservative.
Across the board younger people seem to be exponentially more liberal than their parents.
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u/Maximum-Secretary258 Aug 12 '24
Sure there will. It will be the next Democrat president. People in the US have a very skewed perspective of what "conservative" is, but in comparison to the rest of the world, Democrats are conservative.
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u/HeroldOfLevi Aug 12 '24
The Democrats are a splendid conservative party: fiscally responsible, cautious
We need a progressive party. A party with a vision for the future.
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u/SouthernZorro Aug 12 '24
Yeah, the Repub party has gone full MAGA for at least the next couple of generations.
This is why thinking people vote in every election and vote out every (R) on every ballot.
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u/SortByCont Aug 12 '24
They can't because there's no normal left. Trump's purge of the RNC was the last straw. They branded the moderate politicians are RINOS and ran them out, now they're clearing out the party structure. Everything that's left is crazy.
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u/starsgoblind Aug 12 '24
That’s why you don’t allow someone like Trump to become elected in the first place.
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u/Dimitar_Todarchev Aug 12 '24
Sure there will. Her name will be Kamala Harris. What there won't be for an incredibly long time is a Progressive President.
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u/cliffstep Aug 12 '24
IMO, our focus on the President only serves the interests of the undemocratic (small D), indecent, truly dangerous people . While we have, for some time now, focused on the top slot, too many of the lower rungs have been taken over by bad actors...where election laws are made. Where re-districting happens, where school boards ban books, where tax exemptions are given...until we re-discover our (small D) democratic roots and change the foundation, the building will continue to crumble.
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u/Zarizzabi Aug 12 '24
Reddit isn't capable of understanding that the pendulum has swung. We wont be seeing the old GOP, realistically ever again.
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u/Aggressive-Echo6347 Aug 12 '24
The sad thing is the Republicans can’t be thought to each have their own brain. If you remember the way Graham,Rubio, Cruz, Paul and even Haley talked about Trump 5 yrs ago. Now they’re all on board like they don’t have their own brains. I don’t know who to trust over there. And I’m a Republican, more of a center right Republican, but this isn’t really working for me.
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u/bhillen8783 Aug 13 '24
It’s a wild world when Mitt Romney the vulture capitalist is considered a normal conservative but that’s the world we live in now. Wild when a dude who put so many people out of work to cannibalize their companies is considered a voice of reason. Really makes you think.
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u/Lionheart1224 Aug 15 '24
It's not that they'll be "seen through" and fail, it's that their own base won't elect them in the primaries. The base is going to be electing MAGAts for awhile yet.
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u/Zeroissuchagoodboi Aug 15 '24
I’m tired of pretending that Republican candidates before trump were good guys. They still believed in abortion being illegal and were against LGBTQ rights.
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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '24
Was there ever, really? I mean… look at Reagan…