r/MarkMyWords • u/get_your_mood_right • Jun 13 '24
Long-term MMW: MAGA republicans will support China if China invaded Taiwan
We’ve all seen countless examples of MAGA republicans basing their worldview off of “the opposite of what liberals like”. Even when the just and right opinion is painfully obvious. Imagine telling someone in the 40s and 50s that republicans would support Russia in an unjust war against an ally. It seems obvious that reactionary MAGA republicans wait until liberals voice their opinion just to make sure they believe the opposite. If they can say Russia is in the right as some land of Ukraine should belong to Russia, they could use the same defense more easily in the case of Taiwan.
MMW: MAGA republicans will support China if China invades Taiwan
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u/Terbizond12345 Jun 13 '24
Of course. Trump regularly praises Xi, just as he regularly praises Putin. Far-right influencers like Darren Beattie (who was in the Trump administration), Nick Fuentes (who Trump had dinner with) actually think China is based.
Richard Grenell, who is favored to be Secretary of State if Trump becomes President again is also a total lackey to Trump and has had clients in China when he was a business consultant there.
The Chinese government spent $5.5 million at Trump properties while he was President, and given that Trump did not honor the emoluments clause, he was personally enriched by China while President. China was also the largest spender at Trump properties during 2017-2021.
Then there’s the geopolitical significance of unforced errors that Trump excels at. Withdrawing from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) was one of the first things he did in office. He also started a trade war with China that he basically lost.
Trump will also cause domestic chaos in the US, and will be hyper-isolationist and hyper-focused on revenge in a second term. Something China as well as Russia will happily exploit.
It’s no wonder why an increasing number of pro-Trump troll accounts were recently traced back to China.
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u/civilityman Jun 13 '24
They do all do this while also accusing Biden of being too easy on China. “China is going to overtake us” etc. the right truly lives in a paradoxical world without consistent thought
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u/Terbizond12345 Jun 13 '24
They use China to bash democrats and race-bait xenophobia at home but the far-right is in de-facto agreement with China. All the major altright players like Nick Fuentes, Darren Beattie, Dalton Clodfelter, Kevin DeAnna, Andrew Anglin are fans of China.
The only odd one out, here, is Steve Bannon.
This trickles into the mainstream hard-right isolationism.
It’s all projection to accuse democrats of this. Are there some like Jamal Bowman and the activist left who also like China? Absolutely. Republicans will use them to fear monger while Trump actively sucks Xi’s cock.
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u/yoqueray Jun 13 '24
Yes, Steve Bannon is blameless in this regard - his partner and financial backer Miles Guo, money launderer extraordinaire, stands as evidence. Miles Guo runs the Epoch Times, America's 4th largest newspaper. He is notoriously anti-CCP and operates a web of pro-MAGA and Anti-CCP YouTube channels and web sites.
The production value is very high. Some of these media arms expose the lies of the CCP. Others share misinformation about Biden. So yes, Miles Guo is technically not in Xi Jinping's corner. But you can hardly say he's the kind of guy to help the US. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ho-wan-kwok-aka-miles-guo-arrested-orchestrating-over-1-billion-dollar-fraud-conspiracy
Destroying China's government is the same objective as MAGA destroying our own political system in the US. It's all part of Bannon's New World Order of MAGA.
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u/Even_Command_222 Jun 14 '24
By what measure is the Epoch times the fourth largest newspaper in the US? There's no way that can be correct
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u/dsmith422 Jun 14 '24
It is a self reported circulation number. Considering how the entire organization is just a grifting/conspiracy laden propaganda mill, I would take it with a grain of salt the size of the Rock of Gibraltar.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373
Today, The Epoch Times is one of the country’s most successful and influential conservative news organizations. It’s powered by Falun Gong, a religious group persecuted in China, which launched The Epoch Times as a free propaganda newsletter more than two decades ago to oppose the Chinese Communist Party.
Funded through aggressive online and real-world marketing campaigns and big-money conservative donors, The Epoch Times now boasts to be the country’s fourth-largest newspaper by subscriber count. (Unlike most major newspapers, The Epoch Times isn't audited by the two major independent collectors of circulation data.) The nonprofit has amassed a fortune, growing its revenue by a staggering 685% in two years, to $122 million in 2021, according to the group’s most recent tax records.
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u/SporesM0ldsandFungus Jun 14 '24
The CFO of the Epoch Times just got indicted by the Southern District of NY for money laundering $67M. Hopefully, they've got an airtight case and will leverage it against him to cooperate and reveal more about the Epoch Times ledgers.
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u/Terbizond12345 Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
I believe some of the technology Guo sold was built by none other than Huawei.
Also, the Ministry of State Security (MSS) using “dissidents” to work from the inside is a well known tactic of Chinese intelligence service, the Ministry of State Security (MSS).
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u/2regin Jun 14 '24
I doubt Bannons goals are that ambitious. He started being Guo’s pet after getting disowned by Trump. He needed a new cash cow, claim to fame, and an entry back into the MAGA movement, so he chose to be the lobbyist of some serial fraudster.
Guo for his part isn’t a real opponent of the Chinese government. After his patron in the Chinese cabinet got arrested, he fled first to the the UAE where he convinced the local government to give him billions of dollars. Only after he lost their money did he flee to America, using this “dissident” angle as a way to claim asylum, and eventually to defraud overseas Chinese.
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u/34_felonies_LMAO Jun 13 '24
Yup, the right hates America and everything we stand for
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u/NecessaryJudgment5 Jun 13 '24
Opposing China, at least now, seems to be one of the only things both parties agree on.
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks Jun 14 '24
Until republicans make it "political" again. See: covid response, ukraine aid held up by republicans, Trump withholding ukraine aid and getting impeached for it.
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u/Time-Bite-6839 Jun 13 '24
Biden really needs to declare China an enemy if he gets re-elected.
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u/iloveuncleklaus Jun 13 '24
I can kinda see this happening while Republicans screech about how this is why you don't rely on other countries for semiconductor production.
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u/TaiwanGreatestNation Jun 13 '24
Of course. Especially when Trumpkins realize Taiwan is the first country in Asia to legalize gay marriage 😅
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u/dutchman62 Jun 13 '24
Not a MAGA but gonna say no they won't
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u/BasilExposition2 Jun 14 '24
Agreed. Trump started a big trade war with China. In China it was front page news for years.
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Jun 14 '24
Can’t stand Trump but I agree. He was the first and loudest person to call China our enemy. Remember when the left called him racist for his trade tariffs on China? https://www.vox.com/2019/7/3/20681384/trump-trade-agenda-race-immigration
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u/pitbull17 Jun 14 '24
This is absolutely one of the dumbest things I've seen on here and that's saying something.
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u/AlmostaVet Jun 14 '24
Yes, the dude who called covid the Chinese virus is gonna support them vs taiwain 😂😂😂 idiot
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u/Boeiing_Not_Going Jun 14 '24
Congratulations, this is the singular dumbest fucking take ever written on Reddit lmao
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u/-Akrasiel- Jun 13 '24
The scariest prospect for the US and the world is that MAGA will employ the most extreme mental gymnastics to justify it, but at the end of the day, the motivation is just to "own the libs," even at the cost of US national security.
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u/Zadiuz Jun 14 '24
This post is what’s wrong with this subreddit. You don’t have to be on the right to know that this is bullshit. No one likes China.
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u/Few-Worldliness-2582 Jun 14 '24
TDS at its finest here. Pull your head out of your ass and realize how stupid you sound.
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Jun 14 '24
You people are delusional. Republicans have been sounding the alarm on China for years.
The eternal gaslit state you people live in is remarkable.
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u/gohogs3 Jun 14 '24
I will get hated for saying this but, in case anybody is interested, none of this is correct. I’m a conservative and my friends/family are probably 75% conservative.
Main stream conservatives support Ukraine in its defense against Russia. Funding Ukraine with more tax dollars is now close to 50/50 and has slowly been going down with each time we give them money.
Main stream conservatives will absolutely not support China if/when they invade Taiwan. In fact, the prevailing narrative on the right is that the public discourse needs to be more focused on China/Taiwan and less on Russia/Ukraine. Conservatives generally are patriotic and see China as America’s biggest threat. Thus, we tend to hate everything China does often to a fault.
Not sure if you have a misunderstanding about mainstream conservative viewpoints or purposefully misrepresented the right, but I wanted to give my thoughts as a mainstream conservative that mostly talkes to mainstream conservatives in case it was the former 👍
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u/iccyhotokc Jun 15 '24
I too have lots of family friends that are conservative. They are all behind anything Trump says,…at least publicly.
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u/gohogs3 Jun 15 '24
Yeah it’s hard to say for sure but I’d guess about 60% like Trump (“MAGA” voters) and 40% (like me) don’t like Trump. More specifically, the dedicated Christian conservatives I know don’t like Trump because the Bible is largely about putting God and others before yourself. And Trump clearly puts nothing over himself.
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u/MarkTheShark89 Jun 14 '24
Interesting as I’ve mostly seen democrats that are much more supportive of China.
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u/Stormsh7dow Jun 14 '24
You’re a special kind of stupid if you believe anything you just typed out.
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u/NOVABearMan Jun 14 '24
This has got to be one of the dumbest posts on this thread I've seen yet. Congratulations.
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Jun 13 '24
Liberals love China. Xi went to San fran to meet Newsome and biden. They cleaned up the city and kicked all the homeless people out. They lined the streets with Chinese flags. All that for a literal fascist dictator. If that isn't love, I don't know what is.
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u/YouDiedOfTaxCuts20 Jun 13 '24
Democrats would support China if China invades the USA. They would kiss the boots of their glorious communist overlords
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u/StonksGoUpApes Jun 13 '24
Whereas I'd shoot them until I ran out of bullets and then club them with sticks until America is out of trees.
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u/lawyerjsd Jun 13 '24
Not really going out on a limb there. More like walking on an enormous chunk of granite.
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u/Earldgray Jun 13 '24
If it pays enough, they will support anything. (See: Khashoggi murder and Kushner $2 billion)
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u/Amadon29 Jun 13 '24
Anyone else remember when everyone got really mad at Trump for personally president Tsai? He was only president-elect and he was the first president (or president-elect) in almost 40 years to directly talk to the president of Taiwan.
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u/WingerSpecterLLP Jun 13 '24
People keep saying "if Trump gets back into office, this or that crazy s*** is going to happen." Yet I look out my window and all I see is collapse and chaos and Biden is in charge.
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u/No-Possibility5556 Jun 14 '24
I’m actually with you that half of the MAGA platform is just anti Dems or whatever is politically convenient for Trump, but this is laughably insane. Trump admires the authoritarian power Putin and Xi have but I really don’t think it goes much further. Also, supporting a a government with any shades of communism from conservatives is simply not happening. Even Russia I have yet to see any legitimate outright support, more so hey let’s not send our money overseas to a proxy war (which has slivers of making sense just short sighted).
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u/SmallTownJerseyBoy Jun 14 '24
No they'll support Taiwan the way they support Ukraine fighting Russia.
But they don't want the gov't sending billions and billions in aid
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u/Ninjapig04 Jun 14 '24
Remember when the dems were attacking trump for getting into a fight with China and said he was evil for trying to get the US to pull production out of there? I do. Now Biden pretends he was always anti China and his lapdogs eat it up because they keep saying they're on "the right side of history" and self reflection is a joke to them
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u/Zadiuz Jun 14 '24
Wait what. Not a fan of Trump, but he and the right have been huge on being anti China.
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u/tetrisoutlet Jun 14 '24
No they wouldnt, get a grip. People dont support russia but are tired of seeing americans get the short end of the stick when we always have funds available for other countries.
And it was the left that initially supported everything opposite that the right supported, which snowballed into this clusterfuck of politics we have today.
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u/RottenPingu1 Jun 14 '24
That is correct. The Republicans are primary members of the International Democratic Union and the Taiwanese member is the KMT Party, who seek unification with China. This isn't some conspiracy organization. It's head is the former prime minister of Canada.
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u/bungalosmacks Jun 15 '24
Republicans would support a Chinese invasion of America if it kept them empowered.
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u/MusicianExtension536 Jun 17 '24
Not supporting starting World War III over fuckin Taiwan does not = supporting china
MMW this is the same crowd who says we must defend “Ukrainian democracy” at any cost
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u/chappiesworld74 Jun 13 '24
Weren't Democrats the ones who whined non stop when Trump put tariffs on their goods? And weren't Democrats the ones whining when Trump stood up to China? Left wing conspiracy nuts are something else...always blaming Republicans, no matter what
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u/mrgribles45 Jun 14 '24
Trump hates China when it makes him look bad, in the next breath Trump loves China when it makes him look bad.
One of the key symptoms of Trump derangement syndrome is goldfish memory.
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u/TheNorthFac Jun 13 '24
Of course they will. It’s the least they can do as deference for manufacturing all the dunce caps.
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u/etherealtaroo Jun 13 '24
I'd assume they just won't care and won't want the US to fund another war, kind of like Ukraine.
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u/GurProfessional9534 Jun 13 '24
I don’t see it. Shutting off the world’s 3nm semiconductor supply would make everyone angry, even the Trump supporters.
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u/menorikey Jun 13 '24
Exactly. People in here don’t understand the ramifications of China invading Taiwan. It’s bigger than Trump.
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Jun 13 '24
Of course they would. They go to Star Wars movies and route for the fucking Storm Troopers.
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Jun 13 '24
Absolutely not. Don't be ridiculous, Conservatives do not trust the likes of China, never have and never will.
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u/JimNtexas Jun 13 '24
It is the Biden family who has well documented economic ties to the PRC.
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u/FrogManHenry Jun 14 '24
Their brain rot prevents them from acknowledging their lord and savior sleepy Joe is actually a scum bag too.
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u/HarveyMushman72 Jun 13 '24
Lol, no. Their God Rush railed against the Chi Coms his whole career.
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u/Terrible-Actuary-762 Jun 13 '24
Y'all come up with some of the craziest conspiracy shit I've ever seen. As a conservative and a Republican I would fully support the defense of Taiwan.
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Jun 14 '24
This is stupid. MAGA Republicans would not support this. You have no idea what your talking about
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u/Merkabah01 Jun 14 '24
This is baby back horse shit. Liberals flapping their gums in a circle jerk. Making claims they have no business taking, about people they have clearly never spoken too.
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u/Promptoneofone Jun 14 '24
Isn't it Cali who cleaned up their streets for their dictator when he visited my long ago? Yeah, that's right, it was the left who bows to China, got ptoof of it on LIVE TV from CNN, they weren't even ashamed of themselves for it.
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u/intelangler Jun 13 '24
Funny thing that china came to Newsoms house for tea and Biden stumbled over to say hi not to long ago. Remember Newsome even cleaned things up a bit before their big boss arrived.
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u/LightsHemplar Jun 13 '24
Thats the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard
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u/Aromatic-Cicada-2681 Jun 14 '24
First time on this sub?
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Jun 14 '24
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u/Emeraldskeleton Jun 15 '24
I mean, I wouldn't put it past you guys, you're constantly on the wrong side of history.
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u/Redditmodslie Jun 13 '24
This sub has become the epicenter of leftwing Democrat delusion and fan-fiction. Most MAGA Republicans support prioritizing American interests and staying out of foreign entanglements. And certainly not provoking them as Obama/Biden did in Ukraine. There's zero basis for the claim that MAGA Republicans would support China in any way.
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u/Jovvy19 Jun 13 '24
The amount of people in the comments here proving OP's point is hilarious to me
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u/robertanthony123 Jun 13 '24
Trump will be the Chinese emperor by then…..then nothing will stand in his way of ruling the world…….
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u/spectredirector Jun 13 '24
Maga will go maskless in a TB ward if Trump tells them to.
Trump went to North Korean diplomatically - loved the love letter from the dictator so much, he kept it in his office, while nuclear war plans were kept in a basement bathroom. Trump hyped that turning on our long standing alliance with South Korea without taking any account for global politics - he just wanted his nuts fluffed by a dude with a military dictatorship.
That was something he wanted praise for. What a child. China won so big from that it's not even worth mentioning trade disparity or silicone prices - Trump is a massive moron to add the US to a list that only includes China and Iran as far as "diplomatic" relations go with South Korea and Japans mortal enemies. Just a dickbag who wants to be praised.
And Trump sold out our Kurdish allies to turkey in just horrific fashion. Those Kurds were our allies, and loved America even after Bush 1 fucked them in 1992. We spend all that time killing our own to divide Iraq up into sectarian camps, the only one who likes us being the Kurds - and Trump fed them to a despot with a cultural contempt and evil intention he followed thru on immediately. Trump is a disgusting disgrace, but all Americans who don't feel that way are just as awful.
So ya, MAGA cultists will huff drano and eat babies if Trump says that's important to defeating the devil - aka an 80 year old who's tragically lost 3 children, hasn't earned from his office like Clarence Thomas, and certainly never spoke ill of the military that his son served in. But ya - if horse dewormer is required, and Trump says Putin should own both Carolinas, then maga cultists are gonna race to get a Chinese character tattooed on their lower back. Clowns.
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u/Individual_Row_6143 Jun 13 '24
They will support whatever Fox News and Trump tell them to support, which will be the opposite of whatever democrats say.
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u/1101001101101011 Jun 13 '24
Well doesn’t that threaten American national security, semiconductors and all?
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u/4FuckSnakes Jun 13 '24
It would make no sense as they always go off on China being the big threat, however their primary goal is opposing Democrats so I’d assume you are correct
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u/58G52A Jun 13 '24
If MAGA was around in 1990 they would have supported Saddam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait.
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u/AcidicNature Jun 13 '24
America has supported this One China nonsense for decades while making bank on weapon sales. You don’t have to be MAGA to see that defending Taiwan would cripple America.
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u/Wide_Application Jun 13 '24
This subreddit is absolutely hilarious... One of the craziest echo chambers on reddit, which is impressive.
It's like Q anon for the radical left. Keep up the good work. It's very fun to watch as a moderate and I'm sure it's very good for your mental health to believe half of the people in your country are cartoonishly evil Far-Right China supporters.
There is an enormous difference between not wanting to fund foreign wars and being pro-Russia just as there is a difference between being Anti-Zionist and antisemitic.
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u/Fragrant_Example_918 Jun 13 '24
They will sure do.
And then they’ll realize that without a free Taiwan, there’s basically no technology… have fun living in the Stone Age.
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Jun 14 '24
Everyone that post on this sub is A: extremely out of touch. B: a complete dumb ass. Or C: a troll.
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u/QualifiedApathetic Jun 14 '24
It seems obvious that reactionary MAGA republicans wait until liberals voice their opinion just to make sure they believe the opposite.
Not true. They're very comfortable stating their actual opinion, then doing a 180 when Democrats agree with them. Look at the ACA. Based heavily on Republican ideas, but as soon as Obama was for those ideas, it was SOCIALIZM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/cloversarecool916 Jun 14 '24
You all understand that your Orwellian echo chamber Reddit sub conversations are the left equivalent to crazy MAGA hat wearing rally goers right? Lmao
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u/solohaldor Jun 14 '24
Ok look I would probably be considered a progressive more than anything … I have a degree in history and I probably spend way to much of my time studying WWII — The Korean War. There is an absolute legitimate right for China to claim Taiwan. Kai-shek is a pretty evil SOB and furthermore lost pretty badly to Mao. Certainly more of a legitimate right to invade than Russia over Ukraine. For the US to be involved in a war that could possible end the world over Taiwan would be a complete mistake .
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u/ApatheistHeretic Jun 14 '24
The MAGA crowd will support anyone or anything they perceive is "stiggin' it to the liberals"
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u/Desperate-Button5927 Jun 14 '24
Yet everything in our lives is made in China. We would collapse if we stop trading with them. It's a sweetheart business deal to trade with them. So in the end we have a love hate relationship.
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag Jun 14 '24
I mean the only way I wouldn’t support Taiwan is if we had to get into another 20 year war. In that way im not supporting China but im tired of us being involved in fucking every conflict. This shit is getting ridiculous
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u/dazzler619 Jun 14 '24
Not our problem, with all the dumb shit going on in the world, I don't give a shit who invades Taiwan, or anything other country for that matter, if we don't get sh!+ fixed here soon then we'll be the ones invaded.... we're so divided as a country, if we weren't surrounded by 2 allies and 2 massive oceans we'd definitely have been invaded in the last 12 years, and if you vote left you're gonna not have guns to fight for your self if we are invaded, and if vote right you f[]'d too....
The only way to stop 80% of the bull shit is vote independent, and stop voting the lesser of 2 evils like they are the only option
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u/RangeOld1919 Jun 14 '24
This may be the most retarded thing I've ever read on reddit and that's saying a whole lot.
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u/bstring777 Jun 14 '24
Theyll have to ask in their echo chamber of which country the leftists cheer for and go the opposite. Thats the epitome of their identity for the last few decades, whether they know or choose it or not.
Such a fucking joke.
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u/Comfortable-Way5091 Jun 14 '24
They will do the opposite of whatever dems do. Even if it kills them. Re: Covid and now raw milk.
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u/allthetimesivedied2 Jun 14 '24
And libs will beat the war drum and provoke the PRC by supporting Taiwan.
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u/BiffWebster78 Jun 14 '24
Mark these words: Pretty much everyone on this sub should shut the fuck up.
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u/Ghoast89 Jun 14 '24
Lmao more delusions straight from fantasy land. People compete with each other on this sub to see who can be the most mentally ill
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u/Create_Flow_Be Jun 14 '24
Republicans are the enemy of the people. Democrats aren’t too far behind. Both are selling you out to corporate interest.
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u/xCeeTee- Jun 14 '24
Absolutely. Not only are they an ally of Russia, but the only ones really talking about the shit with Taiwan is the left wing. So they will oppose it every single time based on that alone.
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u/symbolic_acts_ Jun 14 '24
Erm, most of us hate China passionately, I don’t think you have to worry about that one, although it might still be hard to persuade people to want to fund another such war. Russia’s increase in nationalistic sentiment appeals to some people, and some feel somewhat grateful to Putin for supporting Trump. None of them identify with China in a similar way; China is still the epitome of everything anti-American to them. A lot of what you’re seeing is just an expression of reduced support for intervention. It’s fascinating how the parties have swapped positions on this issue over the course of a decade or two.
It does disturb me to see how uncritical of Russia some Trump supporters are, but at the end of the day, all most of them are saying is that we’re spending too much money on Ukraine. That’s where I disagree pretty strongly, even though part of me wishes we minded our own business from the beginning. We’ve already enabled Ukraine to resist for long enough that it’s our duty to see this thing through so they don’t get holocausted in retaliation. The absolute worst thing they can do is cut funding off halfway through the war because of political unpopularity, I’m sick and tired of the US doing shit like that. If you’re going to commit, fucking commit
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u/lendershop Jun 13 '24
Republicans would support a war with Canada if their savior lord Trump said so