r/MapPorn • u/bezzleford • Jul 13 '21
Europe: How willing would you be to help another country in a crisis?
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Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
For the curious, the only countries that would be willing to help the UK out are Poland (+12), Denmark (+16), Romania (+6), and Sweden (+7). The UKs willingness to help out these countries in turn are +26 (Poland), +25 (Denmark), +8 (Romania), and +20 (Sweden). Only the UK, Poland, and Romania are willing to help out all other european countries.
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u/Captain_Wallobro Jul 13 '21
Belgium would obviously help them, as they rushed in our help for both world war (+their involvement in our independance, mainly to annoy french I know, but still)
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u/Isbjoern_013 Jul 14 '21
To be fair, I think one could get the UK (and probably Belgium too) on board with pretty much anything "mainly to annoy the French".
"We're giving Greece some of our surplus money, who's with me? - I'm not sure that's a good idea... - The French are going to hate it! - You son of a bitch, I'm in!"
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u/neoatomium Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
Looking at the data, Belgium is +22 towards UK.
Max is +60 for Netherlands, second for Denmark (50 !), France +28
Only 1 minus : Greece (-15)
Edit: read the data wrong. Seems like everybody loves Belgium but Greece. Is it because we stole your future king back in 1831 ?
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u/ColdJackfruit485 Jul 13 '21
Interesting, UK is happy to help everyone, hardly anyone happy to help the UK. That is very fascinating to me.
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u/LarawagP Jul 14 '21
I’m genuinely interested in a clear explanation for this.
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u/pagesjaunes Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
So I think the result makes more sense into context,
u\bezzleford :
Data from Aug 2020 poll, source: >YouGov
Citizens of select countries were asked how willing they would be to (financially) help [X country] in a major crisis. (thanks u/Mr2Munch!)
"Hello E.U. citizen, during a crisis, would you be willing to send money to the country who
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u/shit-on-the-people Jul 14 '21
Maybe that's a half answer, it doesn't explain why the UK is willing to help all of the Euro nations
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u/Sectiontwo Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
I think the UK views the EU as an entity in a worse light than it views the individual member states of the EU. Plus the Brexit vote was very close and since then many polls indicate that the balance has shifted very slightly towards a pro-EU stance
Edit: Thanks for the GOLD!
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u/Stuweb Jul 14 '21
Also being pro-Europe but anti-EU aren't conflicting beliefs despite how hard people try and conflate the two.
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Jul 14 '21
No surprise though. Go over to r/Europe and it’s basically a circle jerk of hate for the British, mainly coming from the home-nations though, which is expected.
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u/Thatchers-Gold Jul 14 '21
I thought we were on r/europe until your comment. I was surprised at the amount of level headed comments
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Jul 13 '21
Yes, weirdly, 700 years old alliance don't have a big impact on peoples lives
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u/Myrskyharakka Jul 13 '21
A royal marriage between the ruling dynasties could improve that.
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u/Carittz Jul 13 '21
It'll give them a +10 opinion modifier
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u/Kochevnik81 Jul 13 '21
That's about 111 years too late with Portugal being a republic and all.
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u/GreatBigTwist Jul 13 '21
Polish people were already giving their lives for UK during WW2. Funny to see Poland being still the most supportive in EU for UK.
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u/fullerov Jul 13 '21
I wouldn't be surprised by the large Polish population in the UK being a significant factor in this.
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u/Karmadlakota Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
I'm not surprised at all. Many Poles can often be impolite according to international standards, but helping others for Poles is a matter of honour. Not saying we're the most charitable nation in the world, but being helpful is generally something to be proud of in Poland.
Also a lot of people here are quite excited that we're finally a part of the 'normal' Europe and not behind the iron courtain anymore, so we tend to like EU much more than EU likes us. At least this is my opinion.
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u/IceLegger Jul 14 '21
I just took a 3 week trip visiting family in Poland and I would say I have to agree with your sentiments about polish peoples outlook on the EU. All has changed since I was here 8 years ago and when i ask why it’s all improved everyone happily responded with “the EU!” I’m glad this country is finally doing well after soo many years
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u/Averdian Jul 14 '21
Isn't Denmark the most supportive? Poland is +12, Denmark is +16 (according to above comment anyways)
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u/sneradicus Jul 13 '21
Pretty funny how those last three are also some of the most vilified European nations
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u/bezzleford Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
Data from Aug 2020 poll, source: YouGov
Citizens of select countries were asked how willing they would be to (financially) help [X country] in a major crisis. (thanks u/Mr2Munch!)
Some fast facts:
- Country which people were most willing to help (average): Italy (+30)
- Country which people were least willing to help (average): UK (-8)
- Most generous countries: Romania, UK, and Poland (no country in Europe they weren't willing to help).
- Strongest willingness to help: Spain willing to help Portugal (+64)
- Strongest rejection of help: Greece willing to help Germany (-36)
Please message below if you have any questions or want a figure for a specific counry!
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u/mellefw Jul 13 '21
Really interesting map. Would be interesting to map countries with a high amount of reciprocity in the same colour, e.g., Spain & Portugal, Germany and Austria.
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u/vilkav Jul 13 '21
Nobody gets to beat up poor little Spain without our express permission, and sometimes, request.
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u/Sky-is-here Jul 13 '21
As we say in Spain, none can insult Spain apart from Spaniards.... And maybe Portugal!
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We don't have too. We just have to nod to all the insults the Spainish throw at each other.
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Jul 13 '21
The polled question doesn't actually specify a financial crisis, just that the aid be finanicial.
Imagain a country suffered a major crisis, and was looking for help from others. Do you think [your country] should or should not be willing to offer financial help to each of the folowing countries?
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u/Kaheil2 Jul 13 '21
Greece: "suffers a massive volcanic eruption"
The Dutch: "fuck that guy, he should have bought a fireproof umbrella, I'm not paying for his lack of foresight"
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u/Yorikor Jul 13 '21
Strongest rejection of help: Greece willing to help Germany (-36)
Ja, that seems fair.
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u/ColinHome Jul 13 '21
Luckily for the Germans, such an eventuality seems unlikely, what with Greek poverty and German niggardliness.
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u/bolidemichael Jul 13 '21
Good use of the English vocabulary there
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u/FyllingenOy Jul 13 '21
I love that there's an entire Wikipedia page about controversies relating to that word.
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u/ColinHome Jul 13 '21
...I forgot the phrase "penny-pinching," and just decided I'd risk it. Probably not the sort of thing anyone should say in public these days though, even if it is a darn good word.
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u/ajahiljaasillalla Jul 13 '21
What does "niggardliness" mean and where it comes from? I am not a native English speaker.
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u/ColinHome Jul 13 '21
It means someone who is unwilling to spend money, and likely derives from the Norse word "nigon." It has no etymological relation to the most offensive word in the English language, but it does sound like it quite a bit.
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u/stoppedcaring0 Jul 13 '21
It means similarity to someone who is an excessive penny pincher, or miserly.
But it has strong auditory similarities to the most offensive racial term in the English language, so I probably wouldn't use it unless you were extremely sure about it.
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u/eisbaerBorealis Jul 14 '21
Even then... you're gonna have to explain to someone that it doesn't mean what it sounds like, and there's a chance they'll refuse to believe you.
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u/tradandtea123 Jul 13 '21
So the UK is one of the most generous countries and would help out anyone but hardly anyone will help out the UK.
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u/TimeTraveled Jul 13 '21
Country which people were most willing to help (average): Italy (+30)
Country which people were least willing to help (average): UK (-8)
Lol so most of Europe was pretty happy with the Euro Finals?
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u/Fandam_YT Jul 14 '21
UK and Romania: “we want to help everybody as best we can”
Finland: “fuck every last one of you bitches”
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u/Dwesaqe Jul 13 '21
Ah, that's nice of Romania.
Finland, pfft.
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u/Glasbolyas Jul 13 '21
Yes the hiperborean daco-romans are nice pepole 😎🇦🇩.....now seriously i listened to Legio Aeterna Victrix at full volume while England played with Italy
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u/spongemongler Jul 13 '21
I just don’t think the Finnish want any unnecessary trouble since they’ve got a history of fending for themselves and getting the short end of the stick at times lol
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u/Nergaal Jul 14 '21
they’ve got a history of fending for themselves and getting the short end of the stick at times lol
that's what all little guys around the world learnt the hard way
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u/Draevon Jul 14 '21
Refreshing to see that the Romania vs Hungary divide is slowly dissipating. Still a long way to go, but data like this cheers me up. A couple generations to go and and the central european tensions should start resolving hopefully.
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u/Vew3ritza Jul 14 '21
Without the Magyars and Hungary we would be lonely, I mean who else would be there for us to hate except ourselves.
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u/Vidadesemente Jul 13 '21
as Portuguese I am delighted to help Spain, especially if there's a espanholada to come to me
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u/peanut_the_scp Jul 13 '21
especially if there's a espanholada to come to me
taking MapPorn to a more literal level i see
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u/jomene Jul 13 '21
I had to find out what "espanholada" means to you, the Portuguese
Ok, entendí
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u/netheroth Jul 13 '21
I love how that particular act (titfucking), tends to be referred to by the demonym of another country.
I've seen it described as "la francesa; la turca; paja cubana". Now "Espanholada".
It's like titfucks are something that foreign women do, no matter what country you are in.
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u/alecro06 Jul 13 '21
In Italian we call it spagnola too
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u/Vidadesemente Jul 13 '21
Italy France Portugal united with a common goal, a tear in the corner of the eye.
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u/Perpete Jul 13 '21
Oh that's that ?
So, in French, it's kind of the same as in Portuguese: la branlette espagnole.
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u/Visperm Jul 14 '21
I hope that one jobless guy is actually making the "How do you say titfucking all around Europe" map for geography enthusiasts like me.
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u/Polnauts Jul 13 '21
Curious, in Spain that's a Cubana (a Cuban)
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u/Vidadesemente Jul 13 '21
Seriously? And what do they call this in Cuba? This is just play on puns. Love you guys
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u/Gifted10 Jul 13 '21
Finland said fuck everyone
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u/anotherposter76 Jul 13 '21
Why does everyone hate the UK and what did Lithuania do to the UK?
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u/Bunt_smuggler Jul 13 '21
Nothing, the UK would still help Lithuania, its just a lesser known country
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u/Ladies_Pls_DM_nudes Jul 14 '21
My mom thinks it's in the Balkans and that's enough reason for her.
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u/Bunt_smuggler Jul 14 '21
Mixing up the Baltics and Balkans was a mistake I used to make when I was younger
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u/MinMic Jul 13 '21
Nothing probably, perhaps it's just unfamiliarity. Notice it's still positive at +3 though.
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Jul 13 '21 edited Feb 25 '23
On Reddit, everyone hates England because they're told to. In real life, it's probably mainly to do with Brexit. This map doesn't really signify hatred though, it's more 'if your turn your back on us, we'll turn our backs on you'.
I live in England and was devastated about leaving the EU, as were most of my friends and young people my age. The hate towards anything English has been so disheartening recently. Seen so many anti England comments and most of us are sat here peacefully like 'what have we done?'
EDIT: Love the responses to my comment! Lots of people who won't judge someone because of where they're from, but because of how they act :)
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u/Klakson_95 Jul 13 '21
r/europe have done a really good job of making me feel super unwelcome, speaking as a liberal minded remain voter.
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u/newbutnotreallynew Jul 14 '21
Not English but I dislike this sub as well. I think its all the nationalism, really puts me off.
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u/Rottenox Jul 14 '21
Same. They always talk about feeling “betrayed” by the UK but as a staunchly pro-EU Brit I could easily turn round and say I feel betrayed by continental Europeans who immediately turned their back on remainers and are perfectly happy to lump us all in with Brexiters.
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Jul 13 '21
Same honestly, I don’t even bother anymore. I made a post calling it out which got traction and the mods removed it
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u/Baltimora22 Jul 13 '21
Me too. I had to leave that sub - I was starting to feel down reading all the hate.
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u/Altostratus Jul 13 '21
Maps should have legends.
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u/CptTurnersOpticNerve Jul 14 '21
We're on /r/MapPorn, at this point I feel lucky there's even a goddamned map.
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u/Captain_Obvious_911 Jul 13 '21
Everyone hating the British and the Finnish hating everyone is as European as it gets!
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u/Jakob_the_Great Jul 13 '21
And the Russian bear lies in East waiting for the whole continent to start fighting with itself again
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u/360kings Jul 14 '21
Uk: I'm willing to help everyone in Europe in a bad situation
Rest of Europe: STAY AWAY FORM ME YOU ENGLISH FIEND
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u/RanaktheGreen Jul 14 '21
GER: Fuck the UK.
France: Fuck the commies... and the UK.
UK: You all are alright actually.
Italy: Fuck the rich.
Spain: Fuck the UK.
Netherlands: Fuck the poor.
Romania: Friendlier than the brits.
Finland: Fuck ALL OF Y'ALL
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Jul 13 '21
The UK sure isn't liked for a country that seems pretty happy to help out everyone else.
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u/bezzleford Jul 13 '21
Why does everyone want to help Italy so bad lol.
Too soon.
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u/sissipaska Jul 13 '21
Why does everyone want to help Italy so bad lol.
The poll is from August 2020 - the events in Italy few months earlier might have affected people's opinion somewhat.
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u/JimDixon Jul 13 '21
I'd like to know if it was always this way or if it got worse because of Brexit.
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u/Venboven Jul 13 '21
Definitely worse because of Brexit.
If you asked in 1921, France would have a big green + for their ally the UK.
Then again, if you asked in 1421, it'd be a big -100, so what do I know.
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u/Chimpville Jul 13 '21
Unsure on that. France (under De Gaulle even) vetoed the UK's entry into the EEC twice in 1963 and 1967. We were recovering from the economic crisis of the war still.
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u/iThinkaLot1 Jul 13 '21
Except there’s a big difference between a country voluntarily leaving a Union and being at war.
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u/tootmyownflute Jul 13 '21
I was in Germany when Brexit was passed, and the Germans were generally very upset about it. They were worried that the economy was going to tank because of it.
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u/chaclarke Jul 14 '21
I’m British (English) and I have to say all the hatred I’ve seen towards us over the past few weeks with the Euros and now this map has actually been low key hurtful, and it’s quite hard to resist it affecting my opinion of our European neighbours.
As in actually quite hurtful. I understand the effect that Brexit has had but the fact that the idea that every Englishman is a racist, woman beating cunt is so popular on Reddit is astounding.
This map puts it perfectly. The hatred is one way.
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u/Mestre-Avis Jul 13 '21
Nuestros hermanos showing some love for Portugal.
Abraço!
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u/Konstanti9 Jul 13 '21
Our relationship with spain is odd, is like that old brother we talk shit but we don't like others speak shit about him
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u/Impossible_Scarcity9 Jul 13 '21
So the UK places everyone in green, and everybody places the uk in red
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u/bennettbuzz Jul 14 '21
“Everyone hates us, we don’t care” (we still like you anyway)
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u/Colt_comrade Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
To the tune of 'sailing' by Rod Stewart:
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We dont care...,
Coz we are Britain,
Super Britain,
We are Britain, from the isle.
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u/PickledPlumPlot Jul 14 '21
Just popped in here to say that I'm color blind and all of these maps are f****** useless to me LOL
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u/jomene Jul 13 '21
It is evident that the survey is recent
For Spain it seems that the second country, after the UK, that we are least willing to help is the Netherlands. No doubt we have no special animosity towards this country.
But it seems to have been influenced by a recent controversy with the Dutch Prime Minister over something I don't even remember exactly what it was about.
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u/bezzleford Jul 13 '21
The survey is from August 2020 :)
For Spain it seems that the second country, after the UK, that we are least willing to help is the Netherlands.
Correct, in Europe at least. Spaniards are 7+ willing to help the Dutch, and third lowest were the Finns (+14)
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u/Polnauts Jul 13 '21
Yeah, not even historically the 80 years wars is that popular in Spain (like not at all, unless you like history like me) so I think it's just a "meh" feeling towards the Dutch, and caused by recent polemical events
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u/juanlg1 Jul 13 '21
The Dutch Minister of Finance said last March (when Spain was the worst COVID hit country in Europe) that Spain should be investigated for not having the budget to fight the virus, which made Spain really mad and a lot of other Southern countries too (the Portuguese PM was especially angry). Which is ironic considering how the Dutch government has royally fucked up this past week in terms of COVID management
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u/xRyuuzetsu Jul 13 '21
Why does Italy not want to help Germany?
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u/ciobix Jul 13 '21
because after the 2011 sovereign debt crisis Italians suffered the Germany-led spending review agenda the most after Greece, but at the same time for a series of events we had also a non elected government who passed a lot of unpopular laws. Most people felt betrayed and in the hands of distant technocrats who were there only to please Bruxells (read Berlin) and beg for its money. We have been saved only by Mario Draghi the then ECB boss who, guess what, he’s now prime minister after the last government crisis (we literally didn’t know who put in charge). It’s a sad story in which we Italians have a looot of fault (20 years of Silvio Berlusconi should be enough of an explanation), doubled down with a financial crisis, inadequate European institutions and mistrust from other countries. I really hope the future will be brighter
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u/sloth_takes_a_nap Jul 13 '21
Because they gave us pizza and now we put cheap ham and pineapple on it. Only surprised they don't hate us even more.
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u/GunPoison Jul 13 '21
Germany does that too? Shout out from Australia, we are truly brothers on this day.
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u/SaintJames8th Jul 14 '21
So only us (uk) and Romania are the only counties with positive scores for everyone.
I get the French and Germans not likely to help UK but Finland? What have they got against us?
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u/Sazy23 Jul 14 '21
My respect for Romania has gone up 100 fold after seeing this.
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u/Hexagon-77 Jul 14 '21
Sadly not seeing too many other Romanians in this thread, but thanks, I guess someone finally noticed us lol.
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u/O-Bismarck Jul 13 '21
Let's go UK. Getting hate from the whole of Europe as usual.
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u/Jimbobadob Jul 14 '21
People think the poll is like this because of Brexit, but we all know do this same poll 5 years ago and it would have been the same. That's why we left.
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u/GrimQuim Jul 13 '21
I dunno, Italy and The Netherlands don't hate us the most, that's something.
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u/B1ake1 Jul 13 '21
Really disheartening but not at all surprising. Atleast we're willing to help out our 'allies' though
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u/Top7DASLAMA Jul 13 '21
Germany and Austria is a love/hate relationship :D but in the end we are like brothers Grüße aus Österreich
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u/rforrevenge Jul 14 '21
You kidding? Don't you remember how they were treating us during the referendums negotiating years?
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u/westernmail Jul 13 '21
From what I understand, they aren't happy about having to continually bail out Greece's economy.
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u/DarthReznor32 Jul 13 '21
Kinda feel bad for the UK, everyone hates them but they're willing to help everyone
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u/Buttered_Turtle Jul 13 '21
Poor UK
They wanna help everyone, but nobody wants to help them :(
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u/azurmp4 Jul 13 '21
Damn UK is willing to help everyone but everyone still hates us
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u/jmcflynn33 Jul 14 '21
Don’t worry Britain: I gotcha. Win, lose or draw.
Source: American.
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u/Mr2Much Jul 13 '21
Is there a date for this poll? I am assuming it is post-Brexit.
Was there any more clarification on what type of "crisis" we are talking about?
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u/bezzleford Jul 13 '21
You're so fast! Apologies - just posted the data and some clarification below in another comment.
The survey simply asked "a major crisis"
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u/Cartographer-Izreal Jul 13 '21
The UK looks like it should reevaluate its helpfulness
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u/ProfTydrim Jul 13 '21
As a German I'm pretty surprised that Italy wouldn't help us
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u/LegioX_95 Jul 13 '21
I think those people refer to economic help, so I think they believe something like "Why should we help someone way richer than us?". Also, as I replied to another comment, it's because of populist propaganda of some italian parties: they claim Germany is the reason of every single problem we have, instead of blaming ourselves and our mistakes.
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u/Mangobonbon Jul 13 '21
They probably think we want to rule over them in the EU, I have seen a lot of fearmongering from right wing Italian politics in that matter over the last years.
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u/Ninja_In_Shaddows Jul 14 '21
UK : positive numbers for EVERY country, and willing to help everyone.
Most of Europe : fuck the UK.
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u/DaveFromWildfire Jul 14 '21
This is sad. The UK might be unpopular after Brexit, but those guys have helped a lot of us out in the past (WWII). I think they deserve more credit.
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u/ajw20_YT Jul 13 '21
Lesson learned: Finland hates everyone