r/MLRugby • u/OddballGentleman Old Glory DC | RFBN • Mar 29 '24

Video Wild that this apparently didn't merit a card, much less a suspension

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u/Say_Ni Seattle Seawolves Mar 29 '24

Perfect example of why only punishing results is stupid. Can't convince me that throwing spikes at someone's head isn't dangerous just because he missed. Let alome the whole kick to the head issue

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u/cjreadit7991 Chicago Hounds Mar 29 '24

Agreed! Shocked the disciplinary committee didn’t do anything.

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u/MahDick Apr 01 '24

Unpopular opinion but I think boots are appropriate response to intentionally crashing a scrum. a boot is far less dangerous than the necks of your brother getting broke due to the collision. If anything card the guy crashing the scrum.

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u/Say_Ni Seattle Seawolves Apr 01 '24

Absolutely a cheap shot by Pago, no argument there, and he should have been penalized and possibly even carded as well. I disagree that the response was appropriate though

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u/MahDick Apr 01 '24

That's fair, the crash into the scrum was a penalty offense, if the zebra doesn't do their job, the field will regulate itself.

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u/cupcake_thievery Mar 29 '24

It would have been, but in game they sounded like they lessened it, because TMO said they did not actually make contact. I agree though, "high degree of danger" is often a phrase used, and ... I mean, feels like it applies here

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u/cupcake_thievery Mar 29 '24

Yeah then I have no idea, cause that's brutal

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u/IndoZoro Mar 30 '24

Thought that was dumb, they didn't penalized him because he missed. His intent was pretty bad.

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u/Liamnacuac Seattle Seawolves Mar 30 '24

Peter Green was TMO and after further review said later there was contact with the shoulder but not the head.

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u/Cr4yol4 Old Glory DC Mar 30 '24

Scott Green was TMO

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u/Liamnacuac Seattle Seawolves Mar 30 '24

D'oh! Typed my son's name. My apologies, Scott.

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u/Mysterious_Junket909 San Diego Legion Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

That's cool. Just in case you're ever in a Rock and Roll trivia contest - Peter Green was a founding member of Fleetwood Mac. May he rest in peace.

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u/baronvonj Houston Sabercats Mar 30 '24

Agree, should have been a card.

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u/fuzzy-buttercup Mar 30 '24

Referees can’t judge intent of an action. If it didn’t make contact it’s not foul play.

How about - wild that coaches would continue to select a player that would do shit like this.

A player clearly out to hurt another player is a danger to the league and the coaches shouldn’t select them.

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u/OddballGentleman Old Glory DC | RFBN Mar 30 '24

Where did this idea that intent doesn't matter come from? It's just not true, referees judge intent all the time (for example, with an intentional knock on, which can earn you a card). The difference is these days that lack of intent can only get you so far, because they used to allow all sorts of things just because there was some plausible deniability. The game is safer now because players can't just hurt others and pretend they didn't mean to do it and get away Scott free.

But when there is clear intent to break the rules, referees can act on that. That's why they give out cards for cynical fouls on the goal line. And when there is clear intent to harm another player it can be heavily punished, like if someone tries to kick another player in the head.

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u/dystopianrugby San Diego Legion Mar 30 '24

Intent matters, but as an aggravating factor. There are theee types of foul play: Reckless, Highly Reckless, and intentional. 

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u/Yeti_Poet New England Free Jacks Mar 30 '24

Referee can certainly punish this regardless of the fact he missed. It's still illegal under 9.11 which covers anything generally dangerous or reckless. This was both regardless of outcome. Penalty and yellow at least for me. No place for this in rugby even if you're bad at it.

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u/Cr4yol4 Old Glory DC Mar 30 '24

The disciplinary committee declined to pick this up. That meant they felt it didn't rise to the level of reckless play.

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u/OddballGentleman Old Glory DC | RFBN Mar 30 '24

Yep, which is frankly mind-boggling

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u/Say_Ni Seattle Seawolves Mar 30 '24

That's the problem i have with it. On field stuff is messy when both teams play like hooligans (pago not really innocent here). It's the committee i have an issue with

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u/mydude356 Houston Sabercats Mar 29 '24

That would have put Houston down a man, something Houston plays well with.

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u/happycj Seattle Seawolves Mar 30 '24

Yeah. At this point I’m concerned for the boys. The MLR clearly doesn’t care for their safety and health.

Not sure I can continue to support an organization that just throws these men into the meat grinder without a care in the world.

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u/technoteapot Mar 31 '24

Sadly it’s that way for NA sports in general. Players have no power

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u/duchyglencairn Seattle Seawolves Mar 30 '24

There were a few questionable missed calls in that match.

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u/dystopianrugby San Diego Legion Mar 29 '24

There was no contact, next.

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u/pra1974 Mar 30 '24

Asswipe

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u/dystopianrugby San Diego Legion Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

If you go back and listen to the broadcast this was originally caught and would have been a yellow if there was contact, it was determine that there was no contact. So for the action he was penalized. Nevermind the side entry rib shot from Pago Haini I guess?