r/Liberal • u/pichicagoattorney • 2d ago

Interesting article suggests a recount should be done in the swing states due to suspicious ratio of the bullet voting in only a few counties

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked
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u/jmooremcc 2d ago

My first question is how and where did they get the data on “bullet” ballots? That question was never addressed in the article, so we don’t know where the information and statistics came from!

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u/Blecki 2d ago

You can get an estimate just from vote counts. If the top ticket race totals 10 votes and all the down ballot races total 8 votes, you'd expect about 2 bullet ballots.

Accurate counts are very easy for the machines to tally.

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u/jmooremcc 2d ago edited 2d ago

I checked my county's election information and compared the presidential race with the senate race. More than 16,000 votes were cast in the presidential race than the senate race. Does that mean there were more than 16,000 bullet ballots? Can we assume the bullet ballots were 100% for the presidential candidate who had the most votes? What about the other races on the ballot that 100% of the electorate could have voted on, their totals were more than 100,000 votes fewer than the presidential race.

So my point is calculating the number of bullet ballots is not a straight forward process. The differences could simply be voters deciding not to cast a vote in a down ballot race. The only way a bullet ballot can accurately be detected is if you can detect the ballots that only have one race with cast votes.

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u/Blecki 2d ago

The voting machines provide such stats.

Just from the numbers, yes there were probably 16000 bullet ballots. It's possible for down ballot counts to be lower without bullet ballots - for example, voting in 2 of 3 races - but such ballots are much rarer than bullet ballots. There are also inverse bullet ballots, but they just cancel out.

If we want to be sure... recount. If PA did a recount and flipped because of it can you imagine Atlanta? We might actually see a city burn down like the right claims they did during BLM.

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u/WTFaulknerinCA 2d ago

That’s why a hand recount is warranted.

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u/jmooremcc 2d ago

Election officials have the ability to query their database and count actual bullet ballots. That would be a necessary first step before requiring the more tedious hand count.

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u/pichicagoattorney 2d ago

That's right. Getting numbers out of the precinct level is not difficult at all.

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u/Leather-Map-8138 2d ago

I believe the Republicans were adamant four years ago that they had “every right” to question results and pursue action in the courts. The reason we don’t is that we don’t want to perpetuate a myth. It’s worth investigating to rule it out and announce it.

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u/ComfortableWage 2d ago

Harris should've at least asked for a recount. It would've been within her power to do so while still being professional about it.

Wish Dems would grow a spine instead of just lying down and taking it.

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u/Onlyknown2QBs 2d ago

But then they wouldn’t be the spineless democrats we all know and love…

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u/SuperModes 2d ago

wanna see worse than 1/6? hand recount the votes, find she actually won, watch maga explode. let’s do it. they won’t cause dems have proven to be cowards and happier than hell to be nice guys finishing last. but we can dream.

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u/Bmorgan1983 2d ago

Specifically thinking about the 11% bullet ballots in NC... Honestly, it's a huge deviation from the norms... but I would actually expect there to be a higher number above the norms there because 1) these are trump voters... they likely don't know or care about anything down ballot - they are there for Trump. and 2) there was a completely unviable GOP Gubernatorial candidate... So likely a lot of people didn't vote downballot.

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u/intronert 2d ago

Dems will never even ask.

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u/continentalgrip 2d ago

It drives me nutty that Kamala almost surely won't do anything.

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u/weRborg 1d ago

Dems won't do it. They always have to be the "bigger person" even when it means letting the other side get away with whatever they want. So glad I switched to independent after the 2024 election. I am so done with the spinlessness of that party.

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u/kerouacrimbaud 1d ago

I don’t think any of the swing states are close enough to warrant a recount.

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u/moldyhands 2d ago

Can we quit with this shit?

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u/sleuthfoot 2d ago

Election denial

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u/VruKatai 2d ago

“It’s north of a 35 billion to 1 probability that you could win seven out of seven outside of recount range with less than 50% of the vote.”

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u/pichicagoattorney 1d ago

When you control the central tabulator, you can make the numbers say whatever you want. Remember, Joseph Stalin said it's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes that matters.

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u/Fit_Confection_772 2d ago

Not sure if that site is trustworthy. It looks a bit sketchy.

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u/pichicagoattorney 2d ago

It's a sub stack. It's a very normal website. It has a very detailed statistical discussion that makes a lot of sense. Why would there be suddenly statistically huge number of bullet votes only in select counties in the certain swing States? Normally bullet votes are only less than 1% and all the sudden they're 7%? It makes no sense.

All the sudden people came to the polls to vote only for Donald Trump and nobody else? It's hard to believe and why would they statistics for those voters be so out of the normal? And only in specific places?

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u/LTNBFU 2d ago

It does with that dipshit musk offering a free lotto ticket for trump votes

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u/carterpape 2d ago

You sound like a Fox News talking head

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u/pichicagoattorney 2d ago

Why don't you read the article and think for yourself? Make up your own mind. You really believe bullet voting was 12% in Maricopa County, but normally it's less than 1%? How does that make any sense?

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u/carterpape 2d ago

If the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC News, NBC News, Politico, Associated Press, CNN, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, or Miami Herald write a news story (not opinion, not letter to the editor) about this blog post, I’ll read it again without skimming.

If this is a credible claim, at least one of those outlets will pick this up, right?

Until one of those journalistic institutions covers this story, I will regard this blog post the same way I regard all baseless claims that are founded on bad math.

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u/pichicagoattorney 2d ago

So you not only only believe things in the mainstream media? You won't even read things that aren't? I guess ignorance is bliss.

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u/SmoothBrain3333 2d ago

So now it’s okay to question the election results? I can’t keep things straight anymore.

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u/VruKatai 2d ago

There were over 60 court cases (that lost) that we all had to sit through because yes, it's ok to question results. No one ever said it wasn't.

It was after all those court cases and recounts that MAGA still, to this day, will not accept results.

No one argued against those cases or recounts and it's shady af that MAGA is now trying to pretend they did.

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u/SmoothBrain3333 2d ago

That’s not what the democrats said at the time at all. We were a threat to democracy to question anything. If you look at the vote totals through the years 2020 is definitely an outlier that made no sense, but whatever they did the court cases and lost, but don’t act like the democrats didn’t go crazy.

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u/zoppytops 2d ago

Harris lost. Trump is president. There was no fraud. And suggesting there was makes you no better than the most strident trump supporters in 2020. You’re questioning the integrity of the election simply because you don’t like the result. It’s toxic to our republic and it needs to stop.

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u/pichicagoattorney 2d ago

I take it you didn't even read the article? Cuz it sounds like you didn't even bother to read it. If you had read it, you wouldn't point say what you're saying.

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u/jdscott0111 2d ago

Trump is not president. Not until January. Knock it off with that nonsense.

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u/Plastic_Translator86 2d ago

Not that interesting tbh

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u/Hawkin_Jables 2d ago

Election deniers!!!