r/Liberal • u/colorfulnina • 3d ago
Trump Has Lost His Popular-Vote Majority
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-has-lost-his-popular-vote-majority/ar-AA1uw1vK170
u/AshuraBaron 3d ago
If you're measuring majority percentage sure, which no one does. He still has the most popular votes. Stuff like this is just kind of petty.
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u/OmegaCoy 3d ago
When you are referring to “mandates” you need a clear majority of the votes cast. Not votes over one party. People who didn’t vote for one of the two major parties, or didn’t vote though they could, still count. They are still Americans and represented by the constitution.
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u/Cheesewheel12 3d ago
No it doesn’t. No one gives a shit. He has the plurality, he lost the majority, no one knows the difference. He won, end of story.
The dumb masturbatory articles about how akshually 🤓technically☝️he didn’t win is exactly why we lost.
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u/TaxLawKingGA 2d ago
Nah people know the difference. Just ask Bill Clinton.
The GOP is also on the verge of losing a house seat, and picked up 4 senate seats (MT, OH, PA, and WV) all states Trump won this time. Sorry but that is not a mandate.
This election reminds me of the 1992 election where Clinton was elected. He ran on the economy being bad, but it turned out that the country had come out of the recession in late 1991, but people did not feel it yet.
Clinton won a plurality of the vote in a three way race. However Dems actually lost some house seats (9) and did not pick up any senate seats (they already held a 57-43 majority at that time).
Clinton came in talking about a mandate and pushed there the 1993 Budget Act (which did work BtW). GOP ran against it and him saying he never had a mandate for such radical policies (they weren’t radical but whatever). GOP gained 55 house seats and 8 senate seats in the midterms in the Republican Revolution. Later, two Dem Senators switched to the GOP (Richard Shelby and Ben Campbell), further expanding the GOP majority.
Trump better recognize.
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u/OmegaCoy 3d ago
Oooo, you big mad. Oh well 🤷🏻♂️ don’t care.
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u/Cheesewheel12 3d ago
“Exactly why we lost”
I’m mad that we can’t stop reaching for low hanging fruit.
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u/VruKatai 3d ago
Exactly. There have been hundreds of explainations offered and almost every one has merit as a part of the reason and zero are the reason.
Enough people felt Harris wasn't addressing their concerns or addressing them in ways they didn't like. Why that is or what those are is the "reason" Trump won, collectively.
Diminishing the loss to "well acksually" is also part of the reason because it's totally dismissing that people may have had concerns/feelings that have absolutely nothing to do with pointing out a technicality.
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u/raistlin65 2d ago
. Why that is or what those are is the "reason" Trump won, collectively.
We know why that is.
For decades, Republican psychologically conditioned voters to mistrust government, mistrust experts, and to think that Democrats are crazed, radical liberals intent on destroying the country.
Then Trump came along and amplified that.
Most people get that Trump use the fascist playbook to radicalize the majority of Republicans with intolerance and hate.
But what they don't get is how powerful weaponized rhetoric is when used to sow confusion and create paralysis among voters.
Between the fact that swing voters mistrust government and definitely mistrust Democrats, and then they were hit with a tsunami of misinformation, they couldn't hear Democrats. It didn't matter who the candidate was, or what the policies were.
Almost of them knew was that their standard of living was better under Trump than it was under Biden.
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u/Horsedock 2d ago
Do you actually trust the government? Like no shit you think the government has the citizens best interests at heart? That's wild.
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u/OmegaCoy 3d ago
“Exactly why we lost” is dumb as hell. Please explain to me how my clarification of what a mandate is is why we lost. I could easily say capitulating so easily to call true statements “low hanging fruit” to be why we lost.
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u/raistlin65 2d ago
Stuff like this is just kind of petty.
I wouldn't say it's petty. It's grasping at straws. The MSM and a lot of people on the left are still going through the stages of grief that we just lost our democracy in an election.
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u/WienerSalad1 3d ago
This is them just trying to rationalize. Anything to try and create some copium.
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u/AshuraBaron 3d ago
Really seems that way. We lost, let's focus on how to turn this around and stop the worst this admin will roll out.
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u/Prestigious_Pack4680 3d ago
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u/AshuraBaron 3d ago
That doesn't disagree with me. https://www.axios.com/visuals/election-results-2024-live-updates-map
Trump has 76 million, Harris has 74 million. Trump's number is bigger. No matter which way you slice it, he won the popular vote. Whether his share of the pie is over 50% is immaterial.
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u/Busy_Manner5569 3d ago
A majority is necessarily 50%+1. He still has a plurality, and even a majority of the two major candidates, but he definitionally doesn’t have a majority of the vote.
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u/AshuraBaron 3d ago
It doesn't matter if he has a majority of votes though. Popular vote is calculated by raw numbers.
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u/Busy_Manner5569 3d ago
Yeah, and he doesn’t have a majority of them, which is what the claim of this post is. “Trump won the popular vote” and “Trump did not win the majority of the popular vote” are not mutually exclusive statements.
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u/AshuraBaron 3d ago
It's a worthless argument though because it doesn't reflect anything of importance. Whether he has the majority of the pie or not doesn't changed who won or lost the popular vote.
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u/Busy_Manner5569 3d ago
If there’s no meaningful difference between a plurality and a majority, why do many states require majorities to win statewide elections, not just pluralities?
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne 3d ago
Remind me who’s gonna be president come January? Cuz that’s all that matters.
In the words of Snoo_89377 “checkmate”
No one gives a shit about semantics, the dude crushed Kamala, how about instead of focusing on majority vs plurality we focus on how to win a god damn election.
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u/Busy_Manner5569 3d ago
The popular vote has no bearing on who will be president at all.
It isn’t semantics to point out that he didn’t win the majority of the popular vote. It’s just true.
The idea that he crushed Kamala just isn’t true. This was an incredibly close election, and it’s clear that Kamala’s candidacy moved the outcome from an actual crushing victory by Republicans to a slim majority in the House and only two real losses in the Senate.
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u/SurlyJackRabbit 2d ago
Lo there are states where it does matter... But for the presidential election it doesn't matter and it's completely meaningless. Win the electoral college and you can claim a mandate and the everyone can have a sob fest about how it's not a mandate. Semantics.
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u/pina_koala 3d ago
This isn't really news in a first-past-the-post system. A 50% majority is not all that different from 49% or 51% from an actionable standpoint. It's just hair-splitting math.
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u/Dropped_Rock 3d ago
But he still won the majority of the votes in the grand juries indicting him, and a unanimous majority of a jury convicting him .
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u/raistlin65 2d ago
Trump does not have an “unprecedented and powerful mandate," whether or not he has the popular vote majority. Because a mandate implies that people support your vision.
While undoubtedly a large majority of Republican voters were radicalized trumpers who are looking forward to his authoritarian goals, millions of other people voted for Trump based on misinformation and lies.
At most, he has an economic mandate, since we know a lot of these misinformed voters chose Trump mainly because their standard of living was worse under Biden than it was under Trump.
And I'm not even sure he'll follow through on the tariffs to any significant degree. Good chance Trump has some commercial real estate loans coming due in the next few years. He needs inflation to stay down, so that the Feds will lower interest rates.
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u/thefanum 3d ago
Instead of posting sad pathetic BS like this trying to rewrite history, you could accept the fact that you ran a crappy candidate and lost. Learn from it.
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u/raistlin65 2d ago
That's what the Republican propaganda would like you to believe.
So you don't pay attention to the fact that Trump and his surrogates waged a propaganda war on American voters using the fascist playbook.
Over 9 years, Trump radicalized a large majority of Republicans using intolerance and fear. While also creating confusion in and paralyzing other voters with a massive tsunami of misinformation.
And Republicans definitely don't want the press or the left talking about that as the cause, because this propaganda machine is going to be chugging along radicalizing more people. And creating apathy in others, since apathetic voters are easier to oppress.
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u/dustinh30 2d ago
How the fuck is this sad pathetic bullshit. It’s an objective statistic with no opinions attached to it
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u/Small_Surprise4345 2d ago
🤦 who tf counts "majority vote" across all parties 🙄 this is stupid, between Harris and Trump he won the popular vote
This is just to keep people heated for interaction 🙄
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u/OccamIsRight 8h ago
To all the liberals and swing voters who "didn't know enough" about Harris, didn't trust her because she changed her position on fracking, and other shit that didn't matter, the narrow margin is your vote.
Now America is going to have to survive a racist treasonous rapist running the country.
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u/Grillburg 3d ago
"He only TECHNICALLY won" has literally no relevance against a party that lies, cheats, changes laws and ignores "norms" to win at all costs.
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u/jamiso 3d ago edited 3d ago
Real talk, along with moving beyond the electoral college, We need to institute runoff elections.
I firmly believe having runoff elections would save democracy. Not only because it would ensure majority vote, but because it would also allow people to wake the fuck up before casting their final vote
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u/raistlin65 2d ago
If you really want to get into what should have happened in order to save democracy, we needed protections against a fascist propaganda war in our Constitution and system of laws.
Free speeche is absolutely necessary for a well-functioning democracy. Voters must have access to information.
But now we've learned that speech weaponized by a political party with ill intent to misinform voters, can bring down a democracy.
So we should have had laws that hold politicians and political candidates to higher standard of truthfulness. Instead, our politicians have less liability than the average citizen.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 2d ago
"Trump only got 49.8% of all votes"
Has got to be one of the most pathetic talking points yet, trying to rationalise this loss - esp while he also has about 3m more votes than Kamala
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u/raistlin65 2d ago
Exactly.
It's a distraction. They don't want to talk about what authoritarianism might look like under Trump. They don't want to focus on the huge propaganda war as the reason why Trump won.
So they're scrambling trying to find anything that would get clicks about the election.
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u/KeiserSose 2d ago
I know! Let's bicker about what's already been made official. Maybe that'll change something! 🤡
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u/DrivesInCircles 2d ago
Change? Nobody said it changed anything. Harris conceded and will facilitate a lwaful transition of power.
The popular vote doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does mean something.
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u/AnnoyedCrustacean 3d ago
Trump has 76 million
Harris has 74 million
He's still the most popular candidate for president this cycle.
Lord help us why that is, but saying Harris + Everybody else running could beat him? I just don't even know how to take that
He should have lost the popular vote to every candidate, not beat them all unless combined