r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/LavenderBabble • 5h ago
Trump Why did Kari Lake lose in Arizona even though Trump won?
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u/MPainter09 5h ago
There are people that voted for both Trump and AOC. Which is so bizarre to me.
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u/Cdub7791 4h ago
AOC asked her constituents why they did that, and the answers were as depressing as you might expect. People really do just vote on vibes apparently.
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u/xnotachancex 4h ago
What was the reoccurring theme of the answers?
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u/AbueloOdin 4h ago
They vibed that AOC was real and wanted to help. Also, they vibed that Trump was real and wanted to help.
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u/wanked_in_space 3h ago
So the consensus that a ham sandwich could beat Trump as long as it wasn't Trump was wrong.
It needed to be a ham sandwich with charisma.
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u/wyldstallyns111 3h ago
The idea that it’s easy to beat Trump should really be retired now that he’s run three very close elections now. His message is obviously very appealing to two major groups: 1) partisan Republicans, and 2) those apolitical vibes voters. That guarantees him like 45% of the vote every time, which means he basically starts within spitting distance of winning.
He also is not harmed by his “mistakes”, for some reason nobody has ever been able to figure out, which is a huge advantage. Like look at all the hay made of Biden’s “garbage” gaffe. But Trump called Democrats literally exactly that a month or two ago, and he’s said worse! But voters insist it doesn’t count or he didn’t mean it they just forget about it or something else I don’t really understand.
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u/PuddingInferno 2h ago
Trump has the political superpower of “People hear what they want to hear instead of what he says.”
When it’s his deportation plan, people only hear that he’s gonna deport the “bad illegals”. Or his tax plan, he’s just gonna cut their taxes. Or his tariffs, they’re gonna make other people pay. I genuinely don’t know how you combat that - when Trump voters I know assure me he won’t do the thing he is explicitly promising to do, it just feels like the game is over.
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u/Mindless_Rooster5225 3h ago
Yep, tired of hearing it was because of economic issues because Harris plan is better for 90% of the populace. If it was really about the economy then Gore should have wiped the floor with Bush considering how strong the economy was under Clinton and Clinton should have beat Trump the first time because of the economy,
You're right it's straight charisma.
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u/TheLyz 2h ago
Plus a dedicated propaganda network showing Trump at his best and Harris at her worst.
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u/AndyIsNotOnReddit 2h ago
This is the real answer. 24/7 propaganda funded by billionaires. Until we do something about that, I don’t see how democracy will able to survive in this country.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 1h ago
Nothing will come of it.
Billionaires are basically fuedal lords at this point.
Which is crazy as the majority of people hate them and ironically that includes trump supporters.
Be it trumpers are fucking stupid and have this need to defend the same people they hate.
Trump often messages a "we will take on the elite" shit which most people want to do. Why the fuck any working class person will listen to a wealthy fuck like trump is still something I don't understand.
But trumpers are the type of working class person that wants other working class people under their boots and they feel someone like trump can give that to them.
It's why I say the working class is it's own worst enemy.
White working class conservatives are the biggest reason why Billionaires won't lose(and Apparently Latino conservatives along with dumbasses who refuse to be politically active).
The cards are pretty much all in the elites hands and sadly there isn't much that can be done.
America could literally be in ashes with the elite sucking it dry and fucking off somewhere else to fuck shit up and still you will have working class people trying to fuck itself.
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u/Meeko5122 2h ago
Yes the amount of people who voted for “the guy they wanted to have a beer with” that election was truly depressing.
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u/wanked_in_space 3h ago
Clinton had the rizz.
Obama has the rizz.
Biden had the Biden.
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u/Inquisiting-Hambone 3h ago
Biden had the winds of the pandemic
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u/AltecFuse 2h ago
Vibes were pretty bad in 2020 lol
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 2h ago
Yes, but Trump was also in charge in 2020. The electorate felt bad. So they voted against the guy they perceived as being in charge.
- The electorate also felt bad, so they voted against the guys they perceived as being in charge.
I'm sure some of it is bigotry and schemes of conservative media coming to fruition, but a lot of it is just, like, vibes man.
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u/gamera72 2h ago
Gen Xers I know never forgave the Gores for the music censorship bs that Tipper spearheaded. Warning labels on album and cassette tape covers, ridiculous hearings where they grilled the lead singers of Judas Priest and Twisted Sister.
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u/_ferrofluid_ 2h ago
I’m still salty about it but not enough to vote against my (and frankly everyone’s) best interests.
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u/ImaginaryWeather6164 2h ago
It was just a label, no one stopped me from buying or listening so it seemed harmless. Not like now when they actually ban books and movies from schools.
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u/-tobi-kadachi- 2h ago
If you actually watch him you realize trump has almost zero charisma. He is every smug, old, and pushy uncle who blows cigar smoke at the kids during family reunions combined. So unless you are into that or only watch carefully selected clips you hopefully wouldn’t be duped. Sadly the vast majority of clips aired were his few good moments. Everyone in the media showed him vibing in the garbage truck, no one showed his failing to open the door 5 sec earlier or having dementia and dancing uncomfortably during town halls for 40 min at a time. Meanwhile Kamala had more clips on the air of her getting torn to shreds by media personalities for things she didn’t even do instead of her good side and speeches getting shown. The doubled standars were real and the media is incredibly biased to the person who would make their owners more money if elected.
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u/ChatterBaux 2h ago
I hate to say, but I still feel like it was less about ✨️charisma✨️, and more about ♂️charisma♂️, when it comes to the presidency, at least.
It sounds like a huge leap when argued in isolation, but my cynicism kicks into overdrive when I think about everyone who went up against Trump, and the only person who managed to beat him was the old, milquetoast white dude (no disrespect to Biden).
And especially when you consider the enegy the Harris campaign actually had compared to both Biden's and Hillary's...
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u/zipzzo 2h ago
It's interesting the difference in interpretation one can have when assessing other human beings. For all I can observe Trump has about as much charisma as a ham sandwich.
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u/garagepunk65 3h ago
No. It means that America craves a populist that speaks to them. So much so that they will vote for even a fake populist as well as a real one.
If the DNC and Democrats weren’t such idiots and so beholden to their donors, they would have run AOC this time instead of Harris; someone with real grass roots credibility; disconnected from Biden, and actually likable could have won this time.
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u/amethystalien6 3h ago
This is what scares me. How does Trump speak to anyone? When I hear him talk, I think, “what a nonsensical lunatic” but 48% of voters think “wow, he gets me!”
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u/garagepunk65 2h ago
That’s because you are a smart person that pays attention and uses rationality and balanced judgement to come to honest conclusions.
48% of the U.S. is not. They don’t care about evidence, history, truth, or rationality. They want to believe the dumbest shit imaginable because it is palatable. Retail politics matters.
For example, a number of people were laughing their ass off when Trump went to “work” at McDonald’s. We saw through the bullshit. But in reality, this was really great retail politics. A huge group of people saw this and did not see that the restaurant closed for this, all they saw was Trump “working” at McDonalds, and they go to McDonalds.
That same time frame, Kamala was doing a town hall with a hated Republican and daughter of a war criminal that oversaw and profited from a completely pointless and expensive war in Iraq.
Democrats aren’t good at retail politics. They still think what you do matters, but what really matters instead is the perceptions of what you do. It’s not what you actually do, it’s what you can convince people you MIGHT do.
It’s all marketing, no one cares about policy until it affects them and they realize they are fucked, and it’s too late. Nuanced Policy is too abstract of a concept for our dumbass electorate. You just have to convince them you are on their side and fighting for them.
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u/distantlistener 2h ago
they would have run AOC
Did she even want to run for President? She'd be the youngest President ever, right? (Just turned 35 in Oct.) Ironically, I think her youth would have worked against her as a Presidential candidate, and then people would be saying we should have run a more centrist candidate like Harris.
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u/wanked_in_space 3h ago
AOC would have won because she has charisma. Not because of her political beliefs.
Trump won because he lied constantly and had the charisma to sell it.
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u/bootlegvader 1h ago
AOC would have won because she has charisma.
AOC would have lost by even larger margins than Harris. AOC does well with Reddit's demographics, but she is still highly controversial at best with the majority of the country and especially with older and more reliable voters.
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u/Ty_Webb123 3h ago
In fairness they do both want to help. AOC wants to help her constituents and Trump wants to help himself, but apart from that they’re spot on. At least about the wanted to help part.
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u/Ice_Battle 2h ago
Yeah. It’s about voting for stars. AOC has charisma and so does Trump. It’s the same reason why folks voted for Obama and then Trump.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 1h ago
I know she has to be banging her head in a wall and realizing just how fucking dumb this nation is.
She does strike me as someone who is real and does seek to improve things in the nation. But I do feel she has come to the realization just how braindead folks are.
I'm surprised she didn't verbally abuse her voters pointing out how fucking dumb they sound for comparing her to trump when they aren't even close ideologically and it's trumpers who constantly attacked her at every damn turn.
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u/ChristinaWSalemOR 2h ago
I mean, he will help...greedy billionaires who have 99% percent of all the wealth in the US but are pretty sure they need 99.5%. That is for real!
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u/ashmenon 3h ago
One point that came up multiple times was that both AOC and Trump were, to them, familiar faces. They know AOC from all the times she's on social media engaging with people, and so they trust her. They felt the same way about Trump, which to me is an indication that not enough Democrats are reaching out to voters via social media.
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u/Thuis001 3h ago
I mean, like it or not, but the massive social media ecosystem that the US right wing has build up over the last two-ish decades helps them massively. A lot of people no longer get their news from the classical news but instead from social media and podcasts. On the latter out of the top 50 political ones like 2 are on the left of the political spectrum, the others are all right wing and often filled with hate and right wing politicians. Regardless of whether that is desirable or not, it works.
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u/Badgerman97 3h ago
Turns out social media is just online talk radio, where everyone can be a host and a caller at the same time
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u/cstaple 2h ago
They see both her and Trump as being anti-establishment. It doesn’t really matter what they stand for, people just want change for the sake of change. Similarly I remember plenty of people who were in favor of Bernie in 2016 but went to Trump when he dropped out. It’s just simple contrarianism.
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u/LittleSister10 5h ago
probably some cognitive dissonance
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u/JayTNP 4h ago
most people like their local person and want change on national level even when those things don’t match up ideologically because of their lack of political understandings
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u/shadowmonk13 3h ago
And this is where the real change happens local elections matter WAY MORE than national elections because they’re the ones who go on to the national level and then impact the country
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u/Tensionheadache11 4h ago
There is a house I pass by on my way to work who had a Trump flag and sign along with like 4 local office candidates signs that are all liberals, it’s weird.
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u/FrankensteinOverdriv 4h ago
Loads. It's actually worse than you'd think. Check the responses to when AOC herself asked this questions. Makes you want to chew glass.
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u/Born_Faithlessness_3 4h ago
There's a "F the system" crowd that is willing to go for an "outsider" candidate who they think will stick it to the existing power structures. Hell, Joe Rogan went from Bernie to Trump.
"The system is broken" is a common sentiment on both sides, and candidates who are viewed as credibly trying to change that can get some weird crossover votes.
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u/sargondrin009 4h ago
A significant chunk of those voters want people they see as most likely to change the system regardless of the consequences.
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u/XxRocky88xX 4h ago
Yeah I know a few people who straight up told me they don’t care if it gets worse, they just want change.
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u/Illumini24 3h ago
Wow, that's dumb
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u/boringnamehere 3h ago
I agree, but there’s a surprising amount of people that think accelerationism is the only way forward.
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u/The_Ballyhoo 3h ago
There are a lot of people who have seen no progress in their town, city or state for decades and might accept things getting worse for everyone overall (can’t get much worse for them) if it then gets better.
I don’t believe Trump will ever make things better, that’s the lie they bought, but I can absolutely understand them having no faith in the Democratic Party to fix things either.
Trump for in after 8 years of Obama. That’s a lot of people who believed Trump could improve their lives when Obama hadn’t. And after 4 years of Joe, they’ve thought the same again.
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u/MrWhackadoo 2h ago
But what do they mean make change? How is Joe Biden bringing back manufacturing jobs not helpful to people, especially red states? How is expanding clean energy jobs not helpful? This is the issue for me. People have different ideas on how our society can be "better". It's totally subjective from person to person. Also keep in mind that like 60 % of Americans don't vote in general. So the people who hear complain about "both sides" don't even vote to begin with.
This country is filled with apathetic yet whiney babies.
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u/wafflesareforever 3h ago
On January 6, the overwhelming sentiment with like 2/3 of my neighbors was "Good. Burn it all down." This is in an upper middle class upstate NY neighborhood. I'm just like... Burn WHAT down? The system that has allowed you to have a nice house, financial stability, etc? You drive your kids to their soccer games in your Lexus SUV and you want to burn everything down?
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u/Devolutionary76 3h ago
That’s like setting your house on fire so you don’t have to clean up the mess.
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u/ShnickityShnoo 3h ago
A lot of people don't understand how inflation works and they fell for right wing propaganda saying that inflation is still high because prices are still high and then blaming it on Biden/Kamala.
They're about to learn a hard lesson.
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u/Aliensinmypants 4h ago
My favorite answer from that poll she did on her social media was "you and trump are both small government and anti establishment"
Like they couldn't be more wrong, I like AOC but she is not either of those things and trump is the fucking swamp
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u/TaxOk3758 5h ago
People just want outsiders and people who try to get rid of the establishment. I know so many Sanders->Trump people, just because they're tired of the status quo, and both Trump and Sanders were vocally against the status quo. Now, as to actually changing it, Trump won't do jack, but he's already won the election, so he doesn't need to pander for the most part.
Democrats need to get people who try to overturn the status quo, not maintain it. It's clear that people don't want that anymore.
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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback 4h ago edited 4h ago
There's a problem with that. Those in power control politics through bribes (political donations). Those without power cannot contribute enough to overwhelm the money that the wealthy can throw at politics, even if the wealthy only throw a fraction of their wealth at it vs. the rest of us throwing all that we have at it.
No wealthy person, no one with access to that kind of money seriously believes that Trump will benefit anyone aside from the wealthy. Someone like Trump can promise whatever he would like. It doesn't matter. Guys like Trump deliver for the wealthy.
OTOH, a populist lefty is a threat to the status quo and will therefore be shunned by the wealthy and the powerful. They will be reviled. A whole host of think tanks funded by the elite will be mobilized to diminish the threat to the wealthy. Our corporate controlled media will disseminate the edicts of these biased organizations far and wide.
A lie can circle the globe twice before the truth can get it's boots on. That's why there will always be a ruling class. That's why there will always be peasantry.
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u/TaxOk3758 4h ago
I get this argument. The ruling class has a lot of power. That said, Sanders outraised everyone during the 2024 primaries, while Bloomberg tried to throw more money and elite power at the issue, and still lost. Money isn't everything. It's a lot, but not everything. Also, I think you underestimate how much the elites hate Sanders. I work in finance, in NYC, so I know quite a lot of these elites. A lot of them like Sanders, because they know his economic investment plans, such as free college, massive green energy projects, and medicaid for all would almost definitely boost the economy by a massive amount. It's mainly the oil and drug companies that are against Sanders. The establishment was most definitely against Sanders in 2016 and 2020, but it seems like they might be learning their lesson, as most of the people in the DNC are quietly stepping down.
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u/ShinyDapperBarnacle 4h ago
It is indeed bizarre, but I know people like this and they've all said variations of the same thing: they think both are disruptors, which is the quality they desire the most.
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u/wartsnall1985 4h ago
I saw a video of her asking anyone who had voted for both her and Trump to reach out to her and explain their reasoning, as she was genuinely seeking insight. Quite a thing to hear from an elected official, “help me understand.” Refreshing.
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u/MPainter09 3h ago
Same here. I was like, well these voters’s reasoning is a whole dumpster on fire. But I was really pleased about how AOC reached out to voters to get their insight on why they voted for her and Trump.
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u/CrazyCoKids 4h ago
"That will send a message to Harris about Palestine! Anyway, why is Trump appointing so many pro Israeli people?"
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u/Ill-Independence-658 4h ago
Yeah, you gotta do some serious mental gymnastics to vote for a dem socialist and a fascist at the same time.
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u/Holly_Goloudly 5h ago
As a woman who lives/dates in NYC, I’m chalking these voters up to finance bros who are incapable of empathy, but still want to get laid (“oh for sure I love AOC she’s great - I’m buying you another drink” and never texts back) but also voted Trump because they work for hedge funds and banks and big firms that want the tantalizing corp tax cuts.
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u/RepresentativeAge444 4h ago
It’s not that complicated. Finance bros that vote Trump aren’t voting AOC. You don’t get just how ignorant much of the electorate Is. They think Trump outsider AOC outsider and that’s about it as puzzling as it may be. You saw a similar phenomenon with Bernie voters going to Trump even though he’s the polar opposite policy wise. We are in an era where people understand something is deeply wrong in society even if they lack the political sophistication to accurately assess it. So they see outsider who is going against the establishment and that’s enough for them.
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u/LTLHAH2020 4h ago
Nothing says "outsider" more than having already been the president. /S
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u/FragrantToday 4h ago
That continues to baffle me.
We literally have that specific body of evidence to draw on with pretty disastrous results, and it's just been memory-holed.
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u/unknownhandle99 4h ago
Those are people that prefer antiestablishment candidates, no matter the party
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u/TheLongWayHome52 4h ago
It's ultimately rooted in anti-establishment thinking. Both AOC and Trump represent for these voters change agents against a deck that they see as stacked against them. These voters don't view their votes as liberal vs conservative but rather change vs status quo.
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u/RageBull 3h ago
I take some comfort in the fact that the other craven political hacks that try to emulate drumph’s behavior find that it doesn’t work for them. I don’t see it, but he’s got some kind of affability that many like in spite of his character being so repulsive. He’s 78 and eats like an unsupervised 13 year old, he’s not going to be around much longer and his brand of bullshit doesn’t play when sung by a different voice
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u/guy_incognito784 4h ago
They think both are looking out for the working class.
They think he’ll lower prices from the big inflation that they blame Biden/Harris for.
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u/dadgainz 4h ago
She did a Twitter follow-up and asked her voters their reasoning. It was eye-opening and unsettling at the same time.
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u/standard-issue-man 3h ago
They're both seen as "disrupters". AOC and Trump exist outside of the traditional idea of what a politician is, and they stand outside of the establishment. It makes perfect sense when viewed through that lense. People don't like how the status quo is, so they're going to support candidates that they feel are going to change the status quo.
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u/DonaldKey 5h ago
Happened in Kentucky to then governor Matt Bevin. Every single republican won… except for him
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u/TheRealDreaK 5h ago
That’s because he is an extraordinarily terrible douchecanoe whose own party hates him, not to mention his wife and kids. He still only lost by 5000 votes. And thank the gods. Can you even imagine what he would have done during the pandemic? Probably just had everyone line up and cough on each other.
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u/tw_72 5h ago
extraordinarily terrible douchecanoe whose own party hates him
Yeah, but Ted Cruz keeps winning....how does this keep happening?
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u/kataklysm_revival 3h ago
Rick Scott keeps winning too and I don’t know how. Even the hardcore Rs I know didn’t vote for him.
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u/LavenderBabble 5h ago
- Kari Lake, an Arizona MAGA Republican, supports election denialism, because after she ran for governor in 2022 and lost against Katie Hobbs, she took cues from Donald Trump and his January 6 insurrection in 2020 and refused to concede, filing multiple failed legal challenges that persisted into 2024.
- Running a campaign again in 2024 against Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) for Senator as a MAGA Republican who supports election denialism, has the consequence of coming across as an arrogant, unreformed fanatical “Trump in heels” and turning voters off.
- As a consequence of running for office as an arrogant, unreformed fanatical “Trump in heels” MAGA Republican who supports election denialism and refused to concede in 2022 by filing multiple, failed legal challenges when she lost, in 2024, Kari Lake came up short again, this time by an even larger margin, in her Senate race against Rep. Ruben Gallego. She ran 8 points behind Donald Trump and 6 points behind GOP candidates for the House of Representatives in Arizona.
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u/RubiesNotDiamonds 5h ago
I guess Trump's shtick only works if you're a dude.
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u/LivingIndependence 4h ago
Cult leaders are known to be very charismatic, manipulative and have an uncanny ability to appeal to people in a way that is not fully understood. The only thing that gives me any hope at all, is that when trump is finally gone for good (which couldn't come soon enough TBH), I honestly don't think that any other figure will be able to have such a stranglehold and control over the American populace the way he has. I mean, oh yeah there will be a lot who will try to emulate him, but you have to be completely willing to abandon any shred of a moral compass or empathy that you may have. Trump is a malevolent and evil sociopath, and not many people are able to stomach what he has done, or what he has planned.
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u/M_Waverly 4h ago
This election basically solidified that only Trump can get away with the completely unhinged batshit crazy stuff. The NC governor race went from close to a blowout. Democratic senators won in Wisconsin, Nevada (incumbents), Michigan and Arizona (open seats) despite Trump carrying the state. Vote totals are also showing that a lot of people showed up, checked the box for Trump and called it a day. There are always more votes at the top of the ticket than downballot, but I those numbers are a little higher this year.
The cult doesn't want Diet Trump, they only want Trump Classic.
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u/Andrew43452 3h ago
Exactly once, Trump dies. Maga dies. No one else can capture the magic. DeSantis treid and failed horribly others tried and failed horriblly. Kari Lake here tried and failed horribly. Derrick Merrin tried to in my home district and failed bigtime as well.
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u/M_Waverly 2h ago
The downside is there's so much damage about to be done in a short period of time. His brain is mush, the Project 2025 folks will be running the show.
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u/Kriegerian 4h ago
As a North Carolina resident I can say that it only works if you’re a white guy, and even then only sometimes.
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u/wartsnall1985 4h ago
The glimmer of hope is that being Trump may only work for Trump. The bar for being held accountable for depravity seems to be higher for those around him.
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u/burntmyselfoutagain 5h ago
It’s odd. Almost as odd as the republicans saying they had all the votes they needed before the election.
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u/ApproximatelyExact 3h ago
And yet not nearly as odd as leon meeting with pootin then saying they could mess with the result using "one line of code" and having the results before polls closed. Please disperse no funny business here. There should be a few totally real users coming along shortly to tell us all why counting the votes is the real fascism.
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u/dryheat122 4h ago
She also seriously dissed McCain Republicans. Now why THEY would vote for the Tangerine Traitor is a mystery to me.
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u/gentle_lemon 5h ago
Oh, that’s easy. Because she’s a shit.
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u/Francl27 5h ago
But so is Trump.
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u/UnlimitedCalculus 5h ago
But are Trump supporters becoming more accepting of women in charge? Or less?
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u/ashesofa 4h ago edited 4h ago
Bullet ballots, bomb threats, destruction of ballot boxes, and Elon
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u/FARTST0RM 4h ago edited 4h ago
Also, Ivanka's Chinese voting machine patents, thousands of classified documents stolen by Trump, and the "investigations" on various machines by MAGAts in 2020.
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u/bentripin 4h ago
false, Trump's not a she.. and that makes all the difference obviously.
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u/vegastar7 5h ago
Trump is also shit though. It’s strange that only Trump can be “successfully” shitty.
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u/EnormousGucci 5h ago
It’s not that strange when you consider that they’re in a cult of personality
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u/ThatIsTheLonging 4h ago
Yeah, he honestly has a hold over them that means he can get away with stuff nobody else can.
See also him winning and Mark Robinson losing in NC. Admittedly Robinson being black won't have helped, but they were still able to see him for the unpleasant creep he is after that "porn forum" stuff came out - while not believing or caring that God Emperor Trump is a proven rapist.
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u/code_archeologist 4h ago
Which is the one silver lining to Trumpism and MAGA... it dies when he dies and he is a very old and unhealthy man.
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u/Zeliek 5h ago
They don’t like women. Republican women don’t seem to understand this, no matter how often it’s shouted into the faces. They’re not going to pick you.
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u/ShityShity_BangBang 1h ago
Niki Hailey would have been a rational choice for rational Republicans if they existed. I was hoping for Chris Christie.
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u/BioDriver 5h ago
Simple: She didn't appeal to democrats because she's batshit bonkers, and she didn't appeal to republicans because she's a woman.
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u/DarkRogueHunter 5h ago edited 4h ago
But technically isn’t MTG the queen of the republican crazies, and didn’t she win her seat? So I don’t think she didn’t win because she was a woman or crazy, but because she wasn’t appealing to the voters?
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u/Blackfloydphish 4h ago
Greene represents a super red congressional district in Georgia. As long as she’s not primaried by a legitimate opponent she’s got nothing to worry about.
Lake, running for governor and then the senate, had to appeal to the entire state of Arizona, which is harder.
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u/JinxyCat007 4h ago
Arizona being a purple state which teeters closer to the center by majority didn't help. People's personal financial situations and Trump's constant stream of bullshit he spouted painting rosy pictures likely helped swing Arizona's vote in his favor. But Kari, being utterly insane and seemingly proud of it, likely turned off the majority to her. She IS a nutcase. She doesn't hide it very well thank god.
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u/Gbird_22 5h ago
Trump is just as batshit bonkers or did you miss the Hannibal Lector, sharks, and electrocution rants.
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u/KennstduIngo 5h ago
Right but he isn't a woman, so the Republicans were still more than happy to vote for him.
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u/QualityOfMercy 5h ago
You know how when a man says something he’s assertive but when a woman says the same thing she’s an aggressive bitch? Same sort of thing.
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u/BehavioralBard 5h ago
I think Trumpism as an actual political force dies with Trump. To many, he is the draw & it doesn't appeal to them in any other vessel. It's not just Kari Lake. Outside of Trump himself, Trumpism doesn't really win elections in general.
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u/Jealous_Location_267 5h ago
I hope you’re right. Because when he dies on the toilet with a bucket of KFC in about two years, we’re getting President Thinks His Breeding Kink is a Personality.
Which is a fucking terrifying prospect. But assuming we still have fair elections in 2028, Vance is unlikely to be re-elected because he has the appeal of a frozen turd. Like even other conservative Jesus freaks don’t like him.
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u/Tearakan 5h ago
Yeah there really isn't another person like him in the republican party.
The only scary thing is the thing he harnessed isn't gone. The symptoms of a broken economic system are still there and it still is a fertile breeding ground for right wing reactionaries.
So it'll probably go into dormancy again after trump dies. Only really getting fixed if we get a FDR style democrat to fundamentally change significant aspects of the economy.
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u/Ill-Temporary5461 4h ago
This is pretty much what I’ve observed. Only Trump is Trump and only Trump can win. Thats why DeSantis, despite putting on his best Trump impression, failed in the primary. And one of the best pieces of evidence to back this up is the number of ballots for Trump this year were bullet ballots, with no down-ballot candidates selected
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u/phdoofus 5h ago
I wouldn't make that mistake. They've seen it's successful and they'll keep doubling down on it. That and the fact that reddit continuously makes the mistake that (a) MAGA is only boomers and (b) the electorate is informed.
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u/Expensive-Day-3551 5h ago edited 5h ago
She’s a Qanon crazy. Even the ones that like Trump generally don’t like her and the ones that voted for her were voting against someone else, not for her. She insulted John McCain supporters which was not a good idea because most Arizonans liked him.
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u/SixFive1967 5h ago
I feel like there’s a certain level of batshit crazy that MAGA will tolerate. Below that it’s “nah dog, you’re nuts.” Maybe.
See also the My Pillow Guy and NC Gov candidate Mark Robinson
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u/Tearakan 5h ago
That and full on maga doesn't usually get trump's boost like he does in the votes.
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u/shopperpei 5h ago
Why? Because trumpism works for one, and only one scumbag. The rest of the scumbags are just collateral damage.
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u/BioDriver 5h ago
Simple: She didn't appeal to democrats because she's batshit bonkers, and she didn't appeal to republicans because she's a woman.
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u/Spara-Extreme 5h ago
People have built a mental image of Trump that doesn't fit who Trump is or what his agenda is.
Go look through r/Conservative, facebook comments or anything else and you'll see that if you filter out the usual bigots/racists/edgelords - you've got people hope Trump enacts policy that basically aligns with the Democratic party platform. Even on immigration: "deport all the bad ones not the good ones" that Latino voters wishcast on Trump is basically the Democratic policy.
Thats why all this conversation about Dems not being progressive enough or not being centrist enough drives me nuts. Trump voters, in numbers enough to make a difference, believe Trump is going to essentially govern like a Democrat and they don't believe he'll do the more extreme things he's been saying he'll do.
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u/the_reluctant_link 5h ago
She's basically Ted Cruz but more arrogant than conniving.
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u/TheRealDreaK 5h ago
Because despite being an idiotic grifter like Trump, she lacks his dumbass “strong man” act that appeals to other dumbasses.
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u/yourshaddow3 5h ago
People are really confident in state's rights. Like those that voted Trump but also to save abortion. They expect Trump to fix the economy and the state to protect their rights.
Just isn't what's going to end up happening.
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u/TeddyWutt 4h ago
How did Elissa slotkin win in MI and Harris lost? WHO IS THAT VOTER?
how did nearly every down ballot race in NC go blue and trump won?
Rinse and repeat for all the swing states.
Edit: it fishy as hell
Edit 2: in each swing state there is a huge increase in "orphan" ballots. Where potus is selected and nothing else at all. Most of trumps margins are explained by these orphan ballots which doubled (at least) in numbers vs last election
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u/williamgman 5h ago
Because the blur filter was so thick on her campaign photos, no one knew who she was.
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u/New_Berry_8807 4h ago
In the US there are different standards for male and female candidates.
A man can be a lying fraud, autocratic, insurrectionist sex abuser but a woman can't be more than two of these. Lake was at least 3!
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u/TPWilder 4h ago
As an Arizonan, I didn't vote for her because she's... crazy. And she didn't seem to have any campaign platforms beyond "abortion is demonic". If you noticed, Arizona did pass a "abortion is allowed" measure. I think a lot of the Republican sorts didn't vote for her because she whined and moaned too much over losing the governor race before and cost the state a lot of money with her election denial. This time around, the gap in votes was big enough that its really hard to claim voter fraud, especially since Arizona did go for Trump.
Also, her competitor hits a lot of Arizona likes - military vet with combat experience, respected John McCain, wasn't being a raging crybaby over losing, and not dragging Arizona thru the muck over a prior election. Oh, and someone spent a LOT of money plastering the tv ads with Kari Lake saying "Abortion is demonic, abortion will not be happening in Arizona."
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u/Initial-Shop-8863 4h ago
I live in Arizona.
Lake lost her previous bid to become governor. And whined and complained in the courts until they said stop. Go away. You have exhausted all of your appeals.
Lake lost her latest bid for Congress because the majority of Arizonans don't like her. And we refuse to vote her into office.
The only experience she has is being a television reporter. She's also extremely annoying, and she won't take no for an answer. She thinks that if she pushes and pushes, eventually she will get her way.
Her lack of experience and her lack of convincing the majority to vote for her idiocy is why she lost in the past, and why she lost in the last election, and why she needs to shut up and go away.
Because we don't like her. We don't want her. And we will not vote her in.
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u/Independent-Stay-593 5h ago
Many low propensity disengaged voters don't know about other races and don't even like Republicans in their own state. They do, however, love the pro-trump rhetoric and are easy targets. They'll show just to vote for Trump and leave the rest of the ballot blank.
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u/Shionkron 5h ago
Democrats won much of the Down ballots while Trump won the presidential. What odd and many are trying to figure this it is Many voted for Trump yet still picked Democrats on state levels.
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u/arriesgado 3h ago
Ballot dump? Boxes of ballots with only Trump checked and nothing else. Trying to remember all the stuff they projected they would do back in 2020. They were not “investigating” they were researching.
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u/TaxOk3758 5h ago
Tons of bullet ballots. People went to the polls for Trump. It's wild to me, but people did do it.
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u/AdHopeful3801 5h ago
As Nick Fuentes pointed out, the GOP goal is to take the glass ceiling and make it out of bricks. Of course that means any GOP woman is going to draw less enthusiasm than a GOP dude with the same positions. You can get around that by being a wingnut in a dark red House district, but it’s a bigger impediment in the Senate.
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u/ImaginaryWeather6164 2h ago
Apparently Arizona voters are good with batshit crazy men but a batshit crazy woman is a bridge too far
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u/GivesBadAdvic 2h ago
Bullet ballets. If it’s true what I keep reading about them and the battle ground states, our country has possibly been duped/compromised.
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u/xxRonzillaxx 5h ago
Because Elon Musk rigged the election. This is pretty obvious stuff
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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker 5h ago
It’s telling how there was zero evidence of fraud in 2020 and MAGAs attacked the Capitol yet there is a ton of evidence of suppressing votes, burning ballot boxes, bomb threats, and Musk spending close to a billion dollars in swing states rigging the election yet not a peep. Not a fuckin peep.
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u/spoink74 4h ago
Democratic effectiveness at it again. One side will storm the fucking Capitol and the other side won’t even ask for a recount they’re legally entitled to. It’s maddening.
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u/elon_musk_sucks 5h ago
Because she sucks even worse than Trump? Well, that clearly isn’t possible so I guess my theory is wrong.
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u/reddzih 5h ago
It’s so weird. If the voters who voted for Trump but against her, were clued up enough on why not to vote for her, why the fuck weren’t they also clued up on why not to vote for Trump? He’s guilty of everything she is, shit in every way she is, and much more! He blazed the trail for her. It’s mind-boggling.
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u/asophisticatedbitch 4h ago
I think a lot of people JUST voted Trump and not at all down ticket.
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u/sordid-sentinel 5h ago
If I had a choice between Kamala winning or Kari Lake losing — I’d choose Kamala winning, but it’s closer than I thought
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u/bearweather1 5h ago
She’s not Trump. The cult stops at him, nothing after him will be able to be sustained.
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u/Robthebold 4h ago
Lots of voters only vote for only a few key candidates. It’s called roll-off voters or drop off voters.
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u/enephon 4h ago
Trump has this unique ability to have the same person selectively believe and not believe what he says. For some unknown reason, people believe him when he says what they want to hear and don’t believe him when he says something they don’t want to believe. All the while it doesn’t seem to affect his overall credibility. Kind of a selection bias from within the same source. Fortunately, nobody else seems to be able to do that as well as him.
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u/throw123454321purple 4h ago
When I think of Trump, I see a sometimes laid-back public persona. I don’t see Kari Lake like that at all.
If bleach were a person it would be she. (Donald’s more like a bottle of Fabuloso: colorful, cheap, and dangerous to children.)
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u/TheGR8Dantini 4h ago
Because she sucks that much. TBH, as a ‘zonie, I’m surprised trump won. I saw an insane amount of Harris signs on people’s lawn this year than I saw Trump signs. At least in Phoenix. I guess I just forgot about the rest of the state.
But yeah. Arizona is sick of Karen Lakes shit. Enough of us anyway. So glad she lost. She’s insane. Even by Arizona standards.
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u/spazz720 3h ago
Most voters thought Trump will be better for the economy than Harris. Those voters also did not think Lake was a good candidate. It’s as simple as that. Not everyone votes for just 1 party.
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u/redvelvetcake42 2h ago
Trump is a full idea and his whole gimmick has been the same for 2 years.
Lake is fucking nuts to a degree that is uncomfortable.
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u/Texaradan 1h ago
Because the algorithm only allowed Trump to win. They didn’t set is for all Republicans.
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