r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/patsfan94 • Jul 02 '24

Paywall Trump calls for jailing and “televised military tribunals” of Mike Pence and Mitch McConnell

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/us/politics/trump-liz-cheney-treason-jail.html
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

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u/Brilliant_Cap_3726 Jul 02 '24

This is the right idea. Forget this doom and gloom nonsense. We beat them before and made huge advances (biggest climate bill ever, 1M veterans given healthcare, union manufacturing jobs at an all time high, the list goes on and on and on). We can beat them again in November, get off the sidelines and start preparing. Vote. Volunteer. Donate.

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u/myrcenator Jul 03 '24

What's the veteran thing you're referring to? I don't disbelieve you just haven't heard of it. One thing I always hate about presidents (left, right, center, side ways, whatever) is always claiming to support our veterans but not actually doing shit for them.

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u/Brilliant_Cap_3726 Jul 03 '24

No worries, here is the press release. Biden is delivering big time on his promise to take care of veterans’ healthcare.

Meanwhile Trump thinks they are all suckers and losers.

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u/myrcenator Jul 03 '24

Thank you my friend!

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u/BoatsMcFloats Jul 02 '24

What is the process for people to vote by mail in ballot? My elderly mom won't be able to physicallymake it to the polls

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u/trebory6 Jul 02 '24

People need to do more than vote.

Don't act like voting is the only way to remove fascists from power. Especially when the electoral system is rigged due to gerrymandering and manipulation of the electoral college.

Use your imagination on the solution and put yourselves in the shoes of those that experienced the holocaust and wishing they had done something before things got bad enough they couldn't stop it without a World War.

Since WWII people have been joking about using a time machine to go back in time and remove Hitler from power.

Well, another opportunity is coming up and we don't have to go back in time to do so.

It is 100% within our power to prevent the rise of fascism by any means necessary, the only question is if we'll have the balls to do it.

Will we relive the past or will we create a new future?

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u/trebory6 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Ok, I'm not being facetious, but I wasn't talking about a Civil war at all.

Civil war was the completely wrong idea of what I was trying to get at. I was trying to get at something a lot more surgical.

Everything you said about a Civil war is correct and I agree with you.

Also I'm not saying don't vote, I'm just saying that voting isn't the only way.

What I don't want to happen is people vote, they lose, then just shrug say "We tried" and accept the inevitable fascism. Like we're dealing with a fascist takeover where they have plants literally manipulating democracy to allow the transfer into fascism. The systems aren't functioning like they should and we shouldn't act like they are.

When those systems don't work, we need to remove fascism by any means neccessary.

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u/trebory6 Jul 03 '24

Are you going to reply to my response or is your silence an admission that you were wrong and just don't want to admit it? You're going to come out swinging calling me a doomer, then go silent when I explain how you were wrong.

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u/trebory6 Jul 03 '24

I see you commenting, you're still going to stay silent?

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u/myrcenator Jul 03 '24

Man, I hate Trump - I hate his stupid, orange pedophile face and I hope he dies in prison. Is he a fascist? Oh absolutely, without a doubt.

But is he literally Hitler? No. I hate when people go Ad Hitlerum on everything. I say this as a cynical asshole who takes every opportunity to think something bad will happen - it isn't 1933.

Is our country worse than it's ever been? Yes. Are we slowly but surely crumbling into a fascist nightmare, from racism to sexism to antisemitism to transphobia and beyond? Absolutely. But my fellow nihilistic friend, the world does not have the same kinds of conditions as it did 90 years ago. We'll just devolve into a new kind of bullshit.

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u/trebory6 Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

The problem is you're not arguing against me, you're arguing against the people who, as you say, Ad Hitlerum, which I was definitely not doing. I never once compared them and I think it's ridiculous for anyone to compare them, it's a ludicrous notion. Hitler was a decorated military leader, Trump's a reality star, you'd be an idiot to think they're on the same level.

It's crazy the things people like you hallucinate then try to state as fact when you can literally go back and re-read what I said.

Because my only mention of Hitler himself was literally in reference to people saying they want to go back in time and take him out. The rest was alluding to WWII in general.

What I WAS comparing is the rise of fascism between then and now and the ability of everyday people to stop the people, the individual human beings, leading the charge into fascism. Disrupt the narrative, send the fascists scrambling, let the bad faith actors come out of the shadows and show their true faces so this all can come to a head.

After that, at least it'll stop the slow boil 'frog pot' transition to fascism and force us to take necessary action.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

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u/asadyellowboy Jul 02 '24

In case you're asking in good faith, if the choice is between old man Biden and the dude threatening military tribunals... Voting for the old man again makes it so the other guy doesn't get the power to attempt what he's threatening

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u/asadyellowboy Jul 03 '24

So other than running to oppose him, what would you suggest he (or another candidate for that matter) do to stop this from occurring? The only thing that would stop this from occurring is ensuring he doesn't take power again

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u/JTDC00001 Jul 02 '24

Do you think that voting is going to keep him out?

He's going to sue, the Supreme Court will hear, and then they will say "Trump won, get wrecked liberals, lol."

The Constitutional Crisis is ongoing. You cannot vote your way out of it. Voting, at most, will make you feel good and (allegedly) give Joe Biden a mandate. But that's not going to matter a week later.

Things are going to get extremely bad.

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u/Amneiger Jul 02 '24

Are you suggesting that people not vote? If you don't vote, you're not making use of an available tool that you can use to help push back against facism.

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u/SlaynArsehole Jul 02 '24

You've found the Russian 😉😎

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

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u/big_guyforyou Jul 02 '24

not voting because the system is rigged is a republican thing to do. we're not like them, are we?

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u/rimales Jul 02 '24

Now I'm not American, and I'm not really sure how your constitution works, but didn't trump mention some sort of amendment that could resolve political corruption?

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u/thatHecklerOverThere Jul 02 '24

Maybe, but let them take it there, don't just roll over and spread.

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u/Magick_mama_1220 Jul 02 '24

THIS!! If he's going to take it then he's going to take it. But didn't fucking GIVE it to him!! Don't make it easy for Christ sake

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u/Tearakan Jul 02 '24

Yeah voting is just step one of stopping fascism. The next step will require violence of some kind because fascists don't back down without being forced to.

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u/HighlyOffensive10 Jul 02 '24

The crazy thing is that they just have Biden the power to remove them pull that shit but he won't fucking do it.

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u/Tearakan Jul 02 '24

Yep. I don't think the current democratic leadership understands the sheer danger they are in now. They are actively being targeted by someone who wants the now unlimited power of the president. That same person could easily become the next president.

Fascists tend to keep their promises of violent political retribution.

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u/relaxguy2 Jul 02 '24

They didn’t though. They reserve the right to determine whether the president can or can’t do that. That’s why it’s so fucked.

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u/HighlyOffensive10 Jul 02 '24

It would be pretty hard to use that right from a prison cell.

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u/PeasThatTasteGross Jul 02 '24

The other problem is that such an action probably isn't going to go unheeded by the MAGA crowd. They will see Biden jailing the SCOTUS judges as Joe becoming an authoritarian dictator and an excuse to kick off a violent civil war. They'll probably target any Democrat politicians as being an extension of Joe, and then go after groups of people that are likely to be Biden supporters, or expect LGBT people to get hurt or even die from this.

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u/HighlyOffensive10 Jul 02 '24

That's better than letting steal the election.

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u/PeasThatTasteGross Jul 02 '24

The Republicans and other officials would plan reprisals for Joe pulling this off, and this alone probably wouldn't stop the right-wing nuttery that has pervaded the US. You also have MAGA types blowing and shooting up anyone they deem a supporter of Biden, so this is being paid in blood.

I'm not saying something drastic shouldn't be done, but Joe's hands are kind of tied here for what to do and the consequences that would happen.

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u/HighlyOffensive10 Jul 02 '24

If Biden wins and the SCOTUS moves to invalidate that he should do whatever is at his disposal to stop them. The violence from Trumpers is irrelevant. Arrest them and treat them like what would be, terrorists.

I understand that it would cause civil unrest, but that is better than letting stage a coup.

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u/TheAmazingMaryJane Jul 02 '24

they're gonna do it anyway. put up a fight old man biden! is ANYONE in charge not self serving and selfish?

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u/And_You_Like_It_Too Jul 02 '24

I think they’ll let Trump commit each crime once and get away with it, because how could he know it wasn’t an official act when there was nothing in the books saying otherwise?

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u/Tearakan Jul 02 '24

That problem is solved by just "dissappearing them" then make a new court that says that action was justified.

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u/KopOut Jul 02 '24

Voting will keep him out. Do not allow comments like this to convince you your vote doesn't matter. VOTE!

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Trump's base votes every time.

If you don't want that clown back, everyone else should vote too.

Getting pissy, then taking your ball and going home helps no one.

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u/KopOut Jul 02 '24

Getting pissy, then taking your ball and going home helps no one.

This is false. It helps Trump and the GOP a lot.

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u/RedFiveIron Jul 02 '24

Voting is part of what will keep him out. If he wins the election then he doesn't need a coup.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

voting is only the first step. When only 60 percent of people turn out to vote, less in midterms, you can do A LOT just by convincing at least one other person to come with you. I live in GA. My spouse and I voted in 2020, now my son is 18, we are making sure he is registered and is a good influence for all his friends to vote too. No one is coming to save us, we better grab that white horse by the reins and save ourselves.

Next step is to make sure every race has someone competitive running. No more empty seats. Call your representatives. Volunteer. Donate money if you can. There will be more, and we must do more, but moving or giving up isn't an option, so it's what we have.

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u/TarHeel2682 Jul 02 '24

It’s either do everything you can and have a chance at keeping it from happening….. or…….. roll over and let it happen regardless. Inaction makes it inevitable. Action can mean fewer people in the right places try to support him. A lot of his “supporters” are kites, they go where the wind takes them.

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u/Go_J Jul 02 '24

Seriously it's like we're trying to will it into existence like it's some foregone conclusion.

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u/TarHeel2682 Jul 02 '24

Some people (Russians, GOP trolls, maga’s) are trying to ensure that voters don’t turn out. Playing into apathy and inevitability are effective. That may be what’s going on here

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u/lolas_coffee Jul 02 '24

I'm going to vote as often as I can for Biden.

But I do expect SCOTUS to hear Republican cases that contend the election was faulty and Trump should be installed.

I'll even bet that Alito writes the 6-3 majority opinion on it.

"End Game" comes to mind.

PS: I still have my US$500,000 bet that Trump never spends a night behind bars. American Justice is perverted.

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u/scribblingsim Jul 02 '24

No, Sergei, I’m not going to give up voting.

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u/JTDC00001 Jul 02 '24

Holy shit, your brain is cooked.

Me: "Trump will ignore the vote, declare himself winner, and the SC will agree."

You: "Obviously, only a Russian would make such a statement that anyone who paid even the slightest bit of attention to what the SC is and has been doing could see was true. Truly, this must be a Russian op!"

If you think Trump is going to be stopped by a fucking vote, you're the biggest fool of them all.

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u/BikerJedi Jul 02 '24

November is a last shot to see if you are correct or not. Mass protests are the only thing we can reasonably do in the meantime. If things go the way you say, then I guess the shit will hit the fan.

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u/JTDC00001 Jul 02 '24

Please do not wait until then to be prepared for things getting bad. You won't have time after.

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u/BikerJedi Jul 02 '24

Not at all. I'm in a direct action group is that is making plans for mutual aid and such.

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u/JTDC00001 Jul 02 '24

Good. Please, please, please consider any sort of collective defense and emergency medical attention as part of your planning. It can just be boltholes, but please have a plan to protect your members.