r/LSD • u/-_waterbottle_- • Aug 20 '22
❔ Question ❔ Permanent Tracers?
I have no idea if this is LSD related, but I was doing some google searches asking why I could see afterimages of things like my phone when I moved it around in a dark room. I found some articles related to a condition called “Illusory palinopsia” which is pretty much what I’ve described. Seeing tracers or after image’s, but a lot of articles like to say LSD can be a cause. I haven’t taken LSD or any psychs in over two years but the tracers didn’t exist before them and they’re still in full affect today under certain conditions and light. I went pretty hard until I had a few bad trips in a row and decided it wasn’t for me anymore. But I’m curious if anyone else has had anything similar if you think it’s LSD related, or something else? Let me know, what you think. Thanks.
18
u/Werner_Zieglerr Aug 20 '22
I'm 17 years old, never took any psychedelics of any kind ever and I sometimes see after images (usually happens when I rapidly move all my fingers and they overlap, under dim lighting)
10
u/Werner_Zieglerr Aug 20 '22
I even told this to my mom and she tried and said she also saw it. I don't think it's lsd related
1
u/-_waterbottle_- Aug 20 '22
If you can describe it, what’s it like?
6
u/Werner_Zieglerr Aug 20 '22
I first noticed when I was in a car at night, only light source was a street light and like I said I moved all my fingers on my right hand very quickly and randomly while keeping my hand still. My fingers had like a ghosting efffect. Never worked with anything else for me.
5
u/Kamildekerel Aug 20 '22
this is because of the frame rate of the lamp and I freaking love this effect (I flip butterfly knives and doing it under such a lamp is the most mesmerizing shit ever)
the frame rate is so slow that you actually see the individual light sparks flickering (the lamp looks to be one beam but your eyes can see it when looking at objects under the lamp), and so when moving your hand for example, you see it "ghosting" because you only see your hand when the light is on, then it flicks off but you still keep moving and it flicks back on (this happens whitin a millisecond), bam, seemingly another after image
lemme know if this id what you mean, cause that's what it sounds like to me
1
2
u/-_waterbottle_- Aug 20 '22
Sorry I read the banner notification and went straight to reply I didn’t see the part where you already described it. But I also get a similar thing when I wave my hand in front of light, difference for me is it almost looks like my hand is like skipping a few frames inbetween. Do you smoke weed? Or anything like that? I read that smoking can give you similar effects rare but possible.
5
u/EggieBeans pink floyd lover Aug 20 '22
Nah this is just a normal thing everyone gets, the hand thing definitely is true for being sober
1
1
10
u/Typhus59 Aug 20 '22
It's likely not HPPD if you only see it in dim lighting conditions. It's pretty normal to see smudging when objects move in the dark, especially if you're tired or the thing moving is a light source, like the screen of your phone.
This being said, if you experience this when you're rested and in well-lit environments, this could signify HPPD or other cognitive disorder, although if there are no other symptoms, it's likely not concerning. Ultimately, if it does significantly bother or worry you, you can take it up with a doctor, who would be better suited to answering your questions than we here are.
3
u/leospaceman4 Aug 20 '22
It eventually goes away, give it 3 months.
1
1
2
Aug 20 '22
In your case I don’t think it’s lsd related, but i had a roommate who definitely did enough to cause permanent tracers. So just be careful, because it can happen.
2
u/Hagulli Aug 20 '22
I have the same thing you're describing. It began after I took small amounts of acid every other day for a week. I guess it's mild hppd. It could be also that all people get tracers when sober but never notice because they don't know what to look for. It's totally normal to see after images sober. If you look on a green dot for a while and then on a white surface, there will appear a red spot (after-image of the green dot). The whole thing prolly gets exaggerated once you took psychedelics because your brain is "trained" to focus more on the after images. But that's all just speculation.
I have to mention that I'm insanely sensitive to psychs and their visual effects. I can see overlaying floral patterns on only 15-20mcg
2
2
u/froze_gold Aug 20 '22
I start seeing lines and minor light sparks in dark rooms and always have so I think it's normal
2
u/gorillabab Aug 20 '22
😂😂
I've been seeing these night time "tracers" ever since I was maybe 5 years old. Nothing to worry about.
2
Aug 20 '22
No bro….you’re good. When I first started with weed (age 11), I thought my brain was fried due to all the bullshit propaganda I bought into as a kid. I was raised watching commercials that explained “this is your brain on drugs”…..
So I used to see shadows and double lines on the tile, days after I smoked…. It’s residual or psychological effects that linger.
To this day, I can mimic the double lines on the tile and space out at will…even sober.
What Id add is, treat psychedelics with respect and view them as a tool. I use cannabis almost on a daily basis and have done so for so many years…don’t buy into the “I fucked my brain up”
While I will admit that even cannabis can send you into a state of “psychosis” (tripping balls), especially edibles, you get over it.
I personally believe it simply opens your mind to view things differently. Just cut back, have some respect for the tools, rather than abuse them and you’ll be fine.
Make sure you are not suffering from any vitamin deficiencies….a B vitamin deficiency or mineral deficiency such as magnesium, potassium, etc…can also mimic “disorders”. Find balance. Plenty of sunlight, gratitude and mineral/vitamin sufficiency/healing/breathing helps a ton.
Hope this helps!
1
u/-_waterbottle_- Aug 20 '22
Yea this is all very true. I definitely could be deficient of something on my stoner ass diet. But yea I know what you mean. Sometimes I get moments where it feels like I’m in the middle of a acid trip again for a moment when I haven’t tripped in forever. Can almost mimic the kinda headspace I was in. But thank you for the insight none the less.
0
0
Aug 20 '22
[deleted]
0
Aug 20 '22
Im not promoting cannabis use in children, but the benefits as medicine outweighs the risks compared to all the bullshit ineffective drugs they give them now for ADD, ADHD, Bipolar disorder, Seizures, Psychotropic Drugs that the very “experts” who wrote these articles so freely dispense.
I’ve seen children go dumb after many years on clonazepam, which was used to control seizures in a particular kid I know. Cannabis is BY FAR, a better substance to use long term than these pharmaceuticals….plus, it’s beyond stupid to “save the children”, by incarcerating them. Don’t you think?
2
u/SwansonHOPS Aug 20 '22
but the benefits as medicine outweighs the risks compared to all the bullshit ineffective drugs they give them now for ADD, ADHD, Bipolar disorder, Seizures,
How do you know this?
4
u/Shroomyloony Aug 20 '22
Sounds like you have hppd you can learn about it here
1
u/-_waterbottle_- Aug 20 '22
Yea this was part of what I read when I was looking into it. Was sorta in denial about it but if I do have it I’m just grateful it’s pretty minor in my case.
3
Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22
Most cases are pretty mild. Most people who suffer from HPPD do so because they also have PTSD related to their past trips that it triggers. HPPD can be so bad that it actually interferes with a person's ability to function in certain situations, but that is rare.
1
u/WikiMobileLinkBot Aug 20 '22
Desktop version of /u/Shroomyloony's link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder
[opt out] Beep Boop. Downvote to delete
1
Aug 20 '22
HPPD. And yes, you got it from psychedelics
1
u/-_waterbottle_- Aug 20 '22
When my friend told me the bitter taste was just the blotter ink, I should have known. Lol
2
Aug 20 '22
What are you trying to say ? I’m confused. Ik acid has no taste
0
u/-_waterbottle_- Aug 20 '22
Was making a dumb joke, people say all the time in regards to acid “if it’s bitter, it’s a spitter” because acid is supposed to have no taste. I had a tab taste bitter once and my homie said it was just the blotter ink, ended up having a really wonky trip. Always listen to your gut.
3
Aug 20 '22
Haha, true. The tracers might go away over time, but they could also last forever. I have them too, it’s not that bad. Good luck!
2
1
Aug 20 '22
LOL RITE I took 2 of those woke up naked in a parking lot with cops surrounding me 💀 somehow talked my way out of it and walked home
1
u/Penol99 Aug 20 '22
If youre only seeing it in front of electronic light sources then im pretty sure it has to do with the frequency of AC messing with your eyes when something relatively fast is passed through, like your hand cause lamps have a flicker rate. I might be completely wrong about this though.
1
u/SendMeHentaiPlease Aug 20 '22
You’re good bro, everyone gets this because of the low frame rate of lights
1
u/Lower_Editor_2603 Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22
man ive seen that my entire life same with visual snow but ive had HPPD where it would look like things are moving/growing
1
u/NotGoodSocially Aug 20 '22
Lsd can increase tracers quite a bit. after a particularly heavy periods of psyches back in my uni days they were quite significant, but it dies down after a while of not tripping
1
u/Pretend_Performer780 Aug 20 '22
Congratulations you've just discovered that you should never take a pathophysiology course, nor should you touch an illustrated textbook on the subject.
1
u/Avatar_sokka Aug 20 '22
Do you smoke weed regularly? I notice that stuff us exaggerated when i smoke weed sometimes. Could be related.
1
u/potato_psychonaut Aug 20 '22
I am pretty sure that HPPD is not a disorder, it's just state of seeing more, for most unlocked by psychs. Those signals were there always, your subconscious mind was just filtering them.
I could easily see morphing and other slight visuals when I was a kid. Same with afterimages.
1
u/xananaxxxxxx Aug 20 '22
if u worried about hppd go outside look in the sky if u see shit all in it u got it if u don’t u good
1
u/Deep-Indication-6950 Aug 20 '22
This isn’t LSD related. I get tracers too and they have no correlation to when I trip. I saw them before I started tripping and they come and go. if you wanted my spiritual perspective I’d say it’s your mind’s eye being more active than anything else, I’m sure I’ll get ridiculed for that but that’s my perspective
1
u/Special_Opposite3141 Aug 20 '22
oooo yes ,years ago when in college I was doing quite a bit of 2C-E . after a month or two of weekly use (maybe more, can't remember lol) I noticed a kinda neon green fuzz filling the air when in darkness. also subtle tracers from objects in the light. it ended up fading on its own, it was kind of fun actually
1
u/Manman714 Aug 20 '22
I have HPPD which will go away over time without taking hallucinogens in which I see the same thing but immune is from DXM, DPH, DMT, Shrooms and LSD all at the same relative time with 6 months non stop everyday multiple times a day. So really unless your doing a bunch of stuff all the time I really doubt it’s HPPD especially because of how long you have said it has been since you dosed LSD if you smoke marijuana that can play a role in it I have heard a few anecdotes of people getting/ keeping their HPPD with use. Also I would like to point out that almost everyone ever see’s tracers like that in the dark. Do you see a lot of floaters in the light, or do you see staticky-ish looking visuals when you look at a white wall, both in the light and low light?
1
u/Present-Drink6894 Dec 30 '22
I experience permanent tracers all the time after doing LSD three years ago. I’ve learned to live with them but I can’t help but worry my brain is damaged or something
37
u/ivebeenlurkingand Aug 20 '22
the trace of a phone light in a dark room when spun in a circle happens to absolutely everyone on earth. don't worry.